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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On October 22 2011 16:58 RealReality wrote: Actually Nestea is a better player. Same amount of GSL's and doesn't need to ride an OP ass race to do it. What does this have to do with nestea vs mma that you've been arguing for the past page? Oh right it doesn't, you're just trying to come up with bullshit against mvp now. | ||
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Clog
United States950 Posts
On October 22 2011 16:59 babylon wrote: It's hard to judge who is worse since we haven't seen much TvP out of them lately. MVP went down to Code A because of TvP and dropped a game to Kiwi at MLG. MMA got knocked to Code B because of TvP and ... I don't remember any more TvP games from him, tbh. They're both just not that good at it, which is ironic since TvP is supposed to be the most favored match-up for a Terran. Not many protoss to worry about in Code S anyway, lol. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On October 22 2011 16:59 babylon wrote: It's hard to judge who is worse since we haven't seen much TvP out of them lately. MVP went down to Code A because of TvP and dropped a game to Kiwi at MLG. MMA got knocked to Code B because of TvP and ... I don't remember any more TvP games from him, tbh. They're both just not that good at it, which is ironic since TvP is supposed to be the most favored match-up for a Terran. MMA is at a 40% win rate in TvP in korea. That's pretty saddening any way you look at it. And he lost really convincing games to whitera recently, although I wouldn't look too deep into that because he lost a lot of games in general at IPL3. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On October 22 2011 17:00 Clog wrote: Not many protoss to worry about in Code S anyway, lol. Unfortunately.  Bomber would be so happy if there were more Protoss, lol. Less because of TvP being his best MU and more because I feel he'd like to avoid TvTs for the rest of his life if possible, and the more Toss there are, the fewer Terrans he'll have to run into. That guy just does not like TvT, despite the fact that he's pretty darn good at it when he's on fire. It's funny that he hates it so much that he'd much rather play TvZ (his weakest) over TvT any day of the week. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
2 GSL's, 1 GSTL, 2 MLG's. He has taken first place in 2 of em (1 mlg,1 gsl), 2nd place in other 2 (mlg,gstl) and has dropped out in ro16 in the remaining gsl. And that's not even counting the Team Leagues where he stomped faces. That percentage seems imba. | ||
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JJH777
United States4376 Posts
On October 22 2011 17:07 Steveling wrote: Hmm, actually I don't even think there's a contest. MMA has participated 5 times in major leagues. 2 GSL's, 1 GSTL, 2 MLG's. He has taken first place in 2 of em (1 mlg,1 gsl), 2nd place in other 2 (mlg,gstl) and has dropped out in ro16 in the remaining gsl. And that's not even counting the Team Leagues where he stomped faces. That percentage seems imba. What about all the 2(3?) code a's he lost in early on? If MLG is considered major those definitely should be. Also slayers has been in 3 GSTL's not 1... Extremely biased statistics here. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On October 22 2011 17:07 Steveling wrote: Hmm, actually I don't even think there's a contest. MMA has participated 5 times in major leagues. 2 GSL's, 1 GSTL, 2 MLG's. He has taken first place in 2 of em (1 mlg,1 gsl), 2nd place in other 2 (mlg,gstl) and has dropped out in ro16 in the remaining gsl. And that's not even counting the Team Leagues where he stomped faces. That percentage seems imba. Well you can't just ignore the fact he was stuck in code A for a long time. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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JJH777
United States4376 Posts
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zeOllie
Australia486 Posts
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
When Polt won I didn`t see people calling him the best terran. Consistency is what matters. | ||
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WinByDefault
Australia19 Posts
On October 22 2011 17:13 Fusilero wrote: I think it's too quick to call MMA the best terran in the world, perhaps MMA will end up being a one hit wonder after this and drop off the face of the earth we don't know right now and should wait for more seasons to see if he can keep it up as MVP has simply been dominating for much longer not even counting his brutal path to a 3rd win, calling MMA the best terran this soon would kind of be like immediatley calling fantasy better than flash after he won the OSL. Yeah it's definitely unreasonable to start saying that MMA is the best Terran but I don' think he will be a one hit wonder, he already isn't, having won an MLG and a very strong showing in the GSTL. I don't know if he will ever be the number 1 player, but he certainly has a future and I don't see him dropping off any time soon. | ||
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hysterial
United States2044 Posts
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Raiznhell
Canada786 Posts
MMA is the best at dismantling and dismembering Champion status players but to be king of Terran i think you need the solid win after win against anybody caliber that MVP has. MMA is my favorite player in SCII and has been since Team League February but Mvp is king of Terran unfortunately . | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
On October 22 2011 17:37 Raiznhell wrote: The only thing about MMA is that he constantly loses to lesser players yet can straight up destroy anyone who is a fan favorite. And it's a hard thing to do is to be able to be consistent in that way. MMA is the best at dismantling and dismembering Champion status players but to be king of Terran i think you need the solid win after win against anybody caliber that MVP has. MMA is my favorite player in SCII and has been since Team League February but Mvp is king of Terran unfortunately .MMA played amazing this GSL finals. I wish MVP went bio. Mech seems to be a little dated and too fragile post 1.4. Though I agree with the consistency point. He crumbled vs Lucky's roach ling all-ins at IPL. Not many people seem to remember that just a short while ago.  | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On October 22 2011 17:23 zeOllie wrote: mvp. it's great that mma won and so on so on, but mvp consistently (key word - consistently) churns out top results, whereas mma just had a good run. Unless mma can show consistensy, it's still mvp. Consistent results? If he isn't in the finals he's dropping down to code a in the first round. He's probably one of the most inconsistent players. It was only until recently that he even came out of his slump. If MVP is the best it's just barely. No one needs to jump to the conclusion that MMA is suddenly the best terran in the world, but he proved MVP is actually (and still) very mortal in TvT. His TvP is shaky and TvZ is still indisputably the best in the world. | ||
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rareh
Portugal298 Posts
On October 22 2011 17:32 hysterial wrote: You can't put MMA over MVP yet people. Let's see a tad more consistency, then we can be certain. He destroyed MVP and if we talk about consistency then remember MVP dropped to code A, while MMA never did, in fact when he got knocked to code b it was only by the champion of code A(puzzle), while when mvp did he got knocked out by 2 players who weren't even that good. The reason i am bringing this up is that getting knocked out of code s is hard while in code A its easy, cause if u get a though opponent in ro32 then bye-bye. He has a very one sided record against MVP 12-6 gstl 1-0 gsl final 4-1 mlg 1-2 geforce pro 3-1 final geforce pro 3-2 playoffs In fact only time mvp won against mma he was lucky and barely did it at mlg 2-1, other then that it was always 1 sided, gstl,gsl, geforce. I don't know why people considered mvp to be terran king or even a favorite at gsl final, i guess now people got a reality check. | ||
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ImperialTea
France187 Posts
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ImperialTea
France187 Posts
On October 22 2011 17:52 rareh wrote: He destroyed MVP and if we talk about consistency then remember MVP dropped to code A, while MMA never did, in fact when he got knocked to code b it was only by the champion of code A(puzzle), while when mvp did he got knocked out by 2 players who weren't even that good. The reason i am bringing this up is that getting knocked out of code s is hard while in code A its easy, cause if u get a though opponent in ro32 then bye-bye. He has a very one sided record against MVP 12-6 gstl 1-0 gsl final 4-1 mlg 1-2 geforce pro 3-1 final geforce pro 3-2 playoffs In fact only time mvp won against mma he was lucky and barely did it at mlg 2-1, other then that it was always 1 sided, gstl,gsl, geforce. I don't know why people considered mvp to be terran king or even a favorite at gsl final, i guess now people got a reality check. One-sided games? Then i guess that MLG Anaheim was one-sided? People usually don't count online matches for a good reason. And you're only proving that MMA can beat MVP regularly (which is true), not that he is the better terran overall. Consistency? MMA at the beginning was struggling to get to Code S: he only achieved it after losing to MVP in the MLG finals. Getting dropped to Code A used to be pretty easy: lose 2 BoX (ro32 code A is a Bo3) and you're facing elimination from Code S. MMA also couldn't get to Code S because of protoss in the U&D, so they're equal from this point of view. MMA got 2-0ed by Huk, who MVP then promptly 3-0d. Edit: sorry for double post | ||
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Meteora.GB
Canada2479 Posts
I don't remember many people claiming that when Polt won a championship. Its too early to say that he is the Terran King at the moment. MVP didn't really seem to play at a level which I expect him to, he always had mistakes that set him back from having any real presence on the map (a lack of missile ring and not leap frogging tanks). However there isn't anything that I can take away from MMA's win, he played brilliantly. For me MVP is still the best, but we'll have to see in the upcoming seasons. Remember folks, things fluctuate a lot in SC2. Once MC was the best Protoss (and still arguably is; either that or the leadership position seems really shaky) but he dropped into the oblivion that is Code B. MVP looked invincible back in January, then dropped off and then made his comeback some many months later. Nestea? He's a god, he doesn't crushes nerds for life.  | ||
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