EPTWho is the Terran King - Page 3
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On July 26 2011 17:54 Kraznaya wrote: How do you judge raw skill besides hard results? Sure Bomber ran into Nestea in the Ro32... but Nestea lost to TOP, who lost to Polt... and yet Bomber's better than them both in terms of raw skill? Sure, Bomber has shown impressive TvT games, but we're talking about the Terran king, not the King of TvT. Bomber doesn't match up to the top tier of Terrans in terms of his results, which is the only objective way to compare players, and therefore he has no claim to the crown until he does. If I want to assess someone, I look at who they play in a tournament over how far they get. Someone like Inca can get lucky and make it to a finals by playing favorable opponents who are less than stellar at this point, while Bomber has been able to beat top level players but just fail to finish for whatever reasons. I don't think Bomber is far ahead of anyone on this list, but if I had to choose the best player it would definitely be him. | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On July 26 2011 17:58 jmbthirteen wrote: And what have MMA, Byun and SC done? MMA won MLG and fell out of Code A. Byun Code A finalist and Code S semifinalist. SC finished second in the LG tournament, and was a semi finalist in Code S. Nada has been the most consistent Terran player in GSL. Nada definitely could beat all three of them. Nada could beat anyone on that list and your kidding yourself if you think he can't. You pretty much made his argument for him by listing their accomplishments: they've all gotten closer to a championship than Nada :p | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
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Isaac
United States810 Posts
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Poopi
France12990 Posts
On July 26 2011 17:58 jmbthirteen wrote: And what have MMA, Byun and SC done? MMA won MLG and fell out of Code A. Byun Code A finalist and Code S semifinalist. SC finished second in the LG tournament, and was a semi finalist in Code S. Nada has been the most consistent Terran player in GSL. Nada definitely could beat all three of them. Nada could beat anyone on that list and your kidding yourself if you think he can't. Is that ironic? Because NaDa got outplayed hardcore by Byun... | ||
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Yew
United States940 Posts
1. MVP 2. Bomber 3. MarineKing 4. Poltimus 5. sC 6. Byun 7. Nada/TOP 8/9. Puma/MMA 10. Clide | ||
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acrimoneyius
United States983 Posts
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MapleLeafSirup
Germany950 Posts
Standing out for me is clearly Bomber, although he lost to Byun | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On July 26 2011 17:58 jmbthirteen wrote: And what have MMA, Byun and SC done? MMA won MLG and fell out of Code A. Byun Code A finalist and Code S semifinalist. SC finished second in the LG tournament, and was a semi finalist in Code S. Nada has been the most consistent Terran player in GSL. Nada definitely could beat all three of them. Nada could beat anyone on that list and your kidding yourself if you think he can't. Nada has NEVER beaten someone that would be considered a top 10 player in the world or anyone really good. The biggest name he's ever beaten is TOP, yes, TOP. Consistency to make ro8s by beating players who are mid or below mid code S level in the past doesn't weigh much when making a list like this that assesses who the best terrans are. And yes, thank you for listing the achievements so I didn't have to, but all those are more difficult than getting to the ro8 the way nada did. | ||
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ehalf
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gengka
Malaysia461 Posts
Though he is definitey not in form at the moment. | ||
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Vihannes
Finland26 Posts
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Rorra
Australia1066 Posts
(BE warned certain GSL spoilers will be mentioned briefly in the following post) But yeah right now I'd say there is definitely no Terran king, its really difficult to truly tell when GSL is pretty much the only tournament in Korea and some players just get lucky or have easier matches then others, especially considering certain players just have stronger MU's.(Guys the double 3-0 for Zergs is the semis was to be predicted!! not OP) Bomber is probably closest, but his TvZ definitely needs improvement, and I still cannot understand exactly what happened to make him lose to byun, maybe overconfidence? idk Bomber proved he was much better than byun in the first two games. So yeah right now? there is no king, if MVP can have a comeback or Bomber can clean up his nerve(?) or overconfidence issues(?) and get as good at TvZ as he is at his other MU's as well as continually improve, he will be probably be the best Terran. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 26 2011 18:02 Yew wrote: Too close to call. There are so many top tier terrans, but there is no clear cut favorite. MVP used to be the best by far, but about 2 months ago he started slumping and he hasn't done well since. MKP is good, but is pretty inconsistent. He goes from finals in one GSL to up/downs in another. Nada is solid all around, but can't get very far in tournaments. Clide deserves a mention, because he is definitely consistent, but like Nada, he can't get far in tourneys. MMA is good, but not great. Byun is solid in all match ups, and definitely can compete with the other top players. Poltimus is solid all around and doesn't get effected by pressure apparently. Puma is good but not even in GSL yet, so I can't call him really top tier. Bomber is sick good, but gets over confident a lot of the time. sC has great micro and builds, and can hang with the best of each race. If I had to do a list, this would be it: 1. MVP 2. Bomber 3. MarineKing 4. Poltimus 5. sC 6. Byun 7. Nada/TOP 8/9. Puma/MMA 10. Clide I like this list. Yea, Clide deserves a mention because he is untouchable in the ro32 of code S every season. He has yet to lose a bo1 in the group stage. Too bad it doesn't translate further in the tournament. He even beat Nestea in GSL May and Nestea went on to win the tournament. I think Clide is partially hurt by the Artosis hype plus he falls apart in the ro16. I do agree with your list. I think 4-7 is kind of a gray area where depending on how each person is playing that day it could switch. It's kind of hard for me to judge Puma atm until I see more of him. I think MMA might deserve a little more credit. There is definitely no king atm | ||
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ooni
Australia1498 Posts
Polt's TvP MVP's TvT MMA's TvZ Are pretty insane, however they are great at those match up and kind of mediocre in the others. We need a solid mechanic player who can mimic the above play styles. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
No Terran out there immediately leaps out there to me as the undisputed best in the game. Not even MVP in his prime convinced me that he'd go unopposed for a prolonged period of time. As expected he's fallen from grace. At the moment I suppose Bomber would be the best, if I HAD to choose someone. | ||
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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
1) MVP has been looking really average ever since he won the GSL World Champs. Based on his recent form it's hard to rate him as the "dominant" Terran right now. In some ways it feels like MLG is make or break for him. Can he compete with DRG, MMA and the foreign Protosses? 2) Bomber is still the closest candidate imo. If he beat Byun in the GSL then I think the title would be his. But as it happened he choked, and he still doesn't have any major titles to his name, which makes calling him the Terran King pretty hard. 3) Polt is probably the next closest contender. He could have had this title if he had made it to the GSL semifinals this time around. Unlike Bomber and MMA, Polt doesn't have one matchup which is notably weaker than the others, but he's not as downright scary as them either. 4) MMA is the other main contender for this title. Unfortunately he hasn't even managed to qualify for Code S yet, which makes him kind of like DRG in this respect. If he wins MLG and then storms through Code S next season then he will have a much stronger claim. 5) MKP - always the bridesmaid, and not playing particularly well lately either 6) SC - seemed to be the next big thing after he almost took out Nestea in GSL May, but has kind of faltered since then. He's still his team's Ace, but it's hard to see him realistically challenging for a title at this point 7) Nada - the measure of consistency, but never seems to threaten any of the top few players 8) Puma - won NASL but he's one of the up and coming contenders at the moment, not the king | ||
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Yew
United States940 Posts
On July 26 2011 18:08 Shellshock1122 wrote: I like this list. Yea, Clide deserves a mention because he is untouchable in the ro32 of code S every season. He has yet to lose a bo1 in the group stage. Too bad it doesn't translate further in the tournament. He even beat Nestea in GSL May and Nestea went on to win the tournament. I think Clide is partially hurt by the Artosis hype plus he falls apart in the ro16. I do agree with your list. I think 4-7 is kind of a gray area where depending on how each person is playing that day it could switch. It's kind of hard for me to judge Puma atm until I see more of him. I think MMA might deserve a little more credit. There is definitely no king atm Yeah, 4-7 is so hard to rank since any of those guys can beat each other in games or get super far in tournaments. Thanks for liking my list though xD | ||
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phisku
Belgium864 Posts
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