EPTWho is the Terran King - Page 2
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SheaR619
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Midgetman101
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Dakkas
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On July 26 2011 17:25 Fionn wrote: There is no king. If Poltimus had gotten through Bomber and then beaten Byun, the throne would be his. MVP had the throne for a long time, but he's been slumping in the GSL/GSTL for a while. Bomber had his chance to take it by winning the tournament and beating Nestea, but he blew a 2-0 lead in the quarterfinals. SC hasn't won any titles. Nada is very consistent, but has never even been to a finals. MarineKing is slumping hard at the moment. Byun got 3-0'd in his only semifinals. Puma is a weird case; he won NASL, but he's never even qualified for Code A. He beat MKP and Poltimus in the GSTL, but he' still needs to get into the GSL or rack up a ton more foreign titles against top players. Right now, I would probably say, with the closest chance of taking over the throne: 1) Bomber 2) Poltimus 3) MVP 4) Puma 5) MarineKing 6) Nada 7) MMA 8) Byun 9) SC I really like that list, and I think it's fair, but nada is still too high up imo. I think everyone below Nada has a shot to take out some great players, but Nada is not capable of beating them, and in fact he gets crushed by them. Nada is consistent in beating lower level players in code S though. | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On July 26 2011 17:25 Fionn wrote: There is no king. If Poltimus had gotten through Bomber and then beaten Byun, the throne would be his. MVP had the throne for a long time, but he's been slumping in the GSL/GSTL for a while. Bomber had his chance to take it by winning the tournament and beating Nestea, but he blew a 2-0 lead in the quarterfinals. SC hasn't won any titles. Nada is very consistent, but has never even been to a finals. MarineKing is slumping hard at the moment. Byun got 3-0'd in his only semifinals. Puma is a weird case; he won NASL, but he's never even qualified for Code A. He beat MKP and Poltimus in the GSTL, but he' still needs to get into the GSL or rack up a ton more foreign titles against top players. Right now, I would probably say, with the closest chance of taking over the throne: 1) Bomber 2) Poltimus 3) MVP 4) MarineKing 5) Puma 6) Nada 7) MMA 8) Byun 9) SC What has Bomber done to justify winning the #1 ranking? Sure, he's taken games off all of the rest of them, but he's never actually strung together a respectable run... the closest he got was at Dreamhack and he got stopped by Moon of all people. (And don't claim the Code A crown over MVP as some kind of championship, the match was basically meaningless in terms of Code S qualification and in terms of GSL rankings, even the champion of Code A is only equal with the bottom rung of Code S.) | ||
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PDizzle
Denmark1754 Posts
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Anyways: MVP is in a serious slump. Puma is imho overrated, except for the NASL the other recent games i've seen of him were just Code A level with weak mechanics. MarineKing is quite unstable in his performance. I think Bomber, NaDa and MMA are around the same level, depending on the day. Haven't seen Polt, Byun and SC play recently, so i won't say anything about them. If i take the players of which i have recently seen games, i'd go with: Bomber MMA NaDa PuMa MarineKing MVP A honorable mention would be QXC, who showed really innovative play in the GSTL. While his opponents definatly weren't Code S, his mechanics, strategy and gamesense was excellent. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On July 26 2011 17:32 Kraznaya wrote: What has Bomber done to justify winning the #1 ranking? Sure, he's taken games off all of the rest of them, but he's never actually strung together a respectable run... the closest he got was at Dreamhack and he got stopped by Moon of all people. (And don't claim the Code A crown over MVP as some kind of championship, the match was basically meaningless in terms of Code S qualification and in terms of GSL rankings, even the champion of Code A is only equal with the bottom rung of Code S.) He's done more than taken games... he's beaten them in series. Name one other person in the world who has beaten MVP and MC. Code A is a respectable tournament and Bomber had to go through players who were considered to have top 5 TvTs in the world and he did it VERY convincingly while I think Polt's 4-0 games were less convincing because they were essentially won off of preparation and build orders for 2 of those games. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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Poopi
France13022 Posts
Mvp was, Bomber or Polt could have been (but not in the same dominant fashion Mvp was) but it just seems that TvT is random or players choke often lol... (remember when Mvp was 27-1 in TvT? now no one can dominate like that in TvT) Plus it seems that there is no TvZ beast anymore, so it'll be hard for the likes of Bomber to be "best terran" if they are beaten by any good zerg. | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On July 26 2011 17:40 Itsmedudeman wrote: He's done more than taken games... he's beaten them in series. Name one other person in the world who has beaten MVP and MC. Code A is a respectable tournament and Bomber had to go through players who were considered to have top 5 TvTs in the world and he did it VERY convincingly while I think Polt's 4-0 games were less convincing because they were essentially won off of preparation and build orders for 2 of those games. That would be all well and good... except the Code A championship was literally meaningless (it didn't even have the free slot to Code S back then), and Polt's win was for 100,000 dollars. Quality preparation for BoX series is very important when assessing player quality... just compare the repetoire of LeeSsang to Sea or Leta. Pretty sure I'd rather take Polt's win when assessing players. As for players who have beaten MC in series recently, there's quite a few, including Puma, Losira, HongUn and MKP... (MVP hasn't done well enough in GSL groups to really have a long list of Code S quality players playing him in series). | ||
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omisa
United States494 Posts
I think he has been struggling to put all those things together lately, ie his inability to produce decent results. But, if/when he does i think MVP will be the King of Terrans. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
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zoLo
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On July 26 2011 17:45 Kraznaya wrote: That would be all well and good... except the Code A championship was literally meaningless (it didn't even have the free slot to Code S back then), and Polt's win was for 100,000 dollars. Quality preparation for BoX series is very important when assessing player quality... just compare the repetoire of LeeSsang to Sea or Leta. Pretty sure I'd rather take Polt's win when assessing players. As for players who have beaten MC in series recently, there's quite a few, including Puma, Losira, HongUn and MKP... (MVP hasn't done well enough in GSL groups to really have a long list of Code S quality players playing him in series). In terms of raw skill level Bomber is better than Polt, and sometimes the amount of prize money just doesn't matter when assessing that. Bomber did have to go through Nestea in the ro32 after all. Anyone else out of the 64 players and he could have made it much deeper. Sometimes you just get unlucky with your draw. Also, my point wasn't that he's capable of an upset over top 5 players, but that he can consistently beat them and is even favored to at this point. | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On July 26 2011 17:50 Itsmedudeman wrote: In terms of raw skill level Bomber is better than Polt, and sometimes the amount of prize money just doesn't matter when assessing that. Bomber did have to go through Nestea in the ro32 after all. Anyone else out of the 64 players and he could have made it much deeper. Sometimes you just get unlucky with your draw. Also, my point wasn't that he's capable of an upset over top 5 players, but that he can consistently beat them and is even favored to at this point. How do you judge raw skill besides hard results? Sure Bomber ran into Nestea in the Ro32... but Nestea lost to TOP, who lost to Polt... and yet Bomber's better than them both in terms of raw skill? Sure, Bomber has shown impressive TvT games, but we're talking about the Terran king, not the King of TvT. Bomber doesn't match up to the top tier of Terrans in terms of his results, which is the only objective way to compare players, and therefore he has no claim to the crown until he does. | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
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Ksyper
Bulgaria665 Posts
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RandomAccount#106470
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On July 26 2011 17:29 Itsmedudeman wrote: I really like that list, and I think it's fair, but nada is still too high up imo. I think everyone below Nada has a shot to take out some great players, but Nada is not capable of beating them, and in fact he gets crushed by them. Nada is consistent in beating lower level players in code S though. And what have MMA, Byun and SC done? MMA won MLG and fell out of Code A. Byun Code A finalist and Code S semifinalist. SC finished second in the LG tournament, and was a semi finalist in Code S. Nada has been the most consistent Terran player in GSL. Nada definitely could beat all three of them. Nada could beat anyone on that list and your kidding yourself if you think he can't. | ||
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