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Rasun
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States787 Posts
July 25 2011 22:30 GMT
#221
They take out Metal, but leave in Backwater...........grrrrrrrrrrr
"People need to just settle the fuck down!"- Djwheat <3
Treva
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States535 Posts
July 25 2011 22:32 GMT
#222
On July 26 2011 07:27 Zerker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 07:19 Treva wrote:
On July 26 2011 07:09 Zerker wrote:
On July 26 2011 07:00 Treva wrote:
On July 26 2011 06:54 Zerker wrote:
On July 26 2011 06:52 Treva wrote:
On July 26 2011 06:43 Zerker wrote:
On July 26 2011 06:41 dani` wrote:
Great changes. Many people are whining about taking out Metalopolis but come on, give Blizzard a break. They are finally removing Scrap Station AND Delta Quadrant, excellent. If statistics indeed say it's imbalanced, let's believe them on this one. Besides, it's refreshing to see new maps. I am afraid I do have to thump down at Tal'Darim because PvP is just horrible (you have to 4 gate), even though I like the other 2 matchups a lot on it. All other maps now seem to have a ramp you can block with 1 FF (unlike Scrap, which was the main reason I thumped it down in S2).


How the FUCK can you give someone a break when they remove a map for a reason, but keep another map (shattered temple) in the pool when it has the EXACT same problem. It just goes to show their fucking incompetence.


Maybe because meta has been around for a year now and still shows problems while shattered has only been on around for a few months and Blizzard wants to see if given more time the current data will change. Calm down.


That's the most stupid logic i've ever heard in my life. Shattered temple shares the same problem as metalopolis what part of this do you not understand? Look i'm trying to be nice here, but it doesn't take a genius to understand this.


I really don't see how my logic is that far fetched and I really don't believe it's the most stupid logic you've ever heard in your life either. I'm not saying I don't understand the fact they have the same problems. I think giving a map that has been around about 1/4 the time as meta more time in the pool to see if it keeps following what their data is telling them now much more of a reasonable answer than just throwing it out only after a few months of play.


Do not troll me, I'm really not in the mood. You know as well as i do, that before shattered temple was re visioned, It was the lost temple. Also you should know Lost temple was released as one of the first map in Day 1 beta. You also know blizzard's reasoning behind removing Metalopolis and if you have an IQ over 75, You will understand the same reason should apply to shattered temple.

So i say again, Do NOT troll me. I'm really not looking forward to playing shit season 3, on shit maps. I'm in a bad enough mood as it is.


You actually don't classify the changes they made to Lost Temple as big enough to warrant a new time frame for gathering data on it? If you honestly think that then...idk I'm dumbfounded.


You are dumbfounded, that's exactly the problem.


That's cute but it still doesn't answer my question. I mean if you want to just make passive aggressive comments and not actually have a conversation about this topic then let me know.
Live it up.
Razuik
Profile Joined October 2010
United States409 Posts
July 25 2011 22:32 GMT
#223
I agree with the metalopolis removal. Close positions is just stupid on that map, it was getting to be stale games, and the natural is way too wide and annoying to defend. Looks like most of the upcoming maps have relatively tight naturals, allowing for easier fast expand builds.
Lazy_89
Profile Joined April 2011
United States87 Posts
July 25 2011 22:32 GMT
#224
Good picks for the maps they are taking out except for Metal, wasn't expecting that one. Would of preferred it if they took out BG instead.
Rjay
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada73 Posts
July 25 2011 22:33 GMT
#225
Do people really want the same maps in EVERY SEASON? I've been playing metal for over a year now, and I'm tired of it. Balance wise, close positions are so damn annoying (same prob with shattered). Hopefully blizzard can get their shit together and come up with some interesting, balanced maps. No destructible rocks please.
DeepBlu2
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States975 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 22:33:54
July 25 2011 22:33 GMT
#226
Their reasoning wasn't close positions.. Their reasoning was it being a Zerg-favored map.... I have serious doubts about Blizzard. I played the test maps on PTR and the only thing I'm glad about is that I'll be able to veto most of them. Also, Shattered Temple Rush distance Close positions is much faster than Close positions metal.
u gotta sk8
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
July 25 2011 22:33 GMT
#227
Well the stats don't lie I guess, I'm not suprised tal'darim has such a high z win rate. Shame about metal though, was a good map without close spawns.
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
Moa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States790 Posts
July 25 2011 22:33 GMT
#228
Removing metal and not shattered is indeed one of the silliest things blizzard has done. They suffer the same imbalances.
^O^
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
July 25 2011 22:33 GMT
#229
On July 26 2011 07:30 travis wrote:
I thought it was obvious that metal was heavily zerg biased. Didn't think that was the case for tal darim though.

*prepares to be hated*


Metal is an awful map, I dunno why so many people are angry about it being removed. :/ Yea, it was good compared to most Blizzard maps.. but.. that's really not saying much at all. It's not hard to be better than most Blizzard maps lol.
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
July 25 2011 22:34 GMT
#230
I rejoice in all the removeal choices except for Meta, but I don't mind that either. Just like blizz said, in close pos it's basically guaranteed somebody will do something cheesy/all in.

REJOICE! No more delta or scrap! Also no more slag. Well, I had all these maps vetoed anyway, looks like blizzard agrees ^^
memes are a dish best served dank
raistline123
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada18 Posts
July 25 2011 22:34 GMT
#231
Appeal to the masses blizzard!! Leave all the maps in and increase the veto's!!!!!!
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 25 2011 22:34 GMT
#232
I would've taken out backwater and put DQ back in honestly lol.

And considering the stated imbalance about Tal'darim... it will probably go in season 4. Or tweaked at least. I like the maps layout. Maybe it's just too big and open.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
DonkeyShot
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany63 Posts
July 25 2011 22:34 GMT
#233
New FFA maps, yay!

I'm actually genuinely happy about this.
Nowis0n
Profile Joined June 2011
United States47 Posts
July 25 2011 22:34 GMT
#234
Only paid attention to 1v1 and like it except Meta like really?
Snorkle
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1648 Posts
July 25 2011 22:34 GMT
#235
If Metalopolis makes a return to the ladder pool in the future, it will likely receive some balance tinkering.


translation: "we need to figure out how to add destructible rocks to metalopolis before we can put it back in the map pool."
norterrible
Profile Joined October 2009
United States618 Posts
July 25 2011 22:35 GMT
#236
Why are they removing 4 2v2 and 3v3 maps but only adding 2??
kekeke
iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
July 25 2011 22:35 GMT
#237
Huzzah! I like the 1v1 removals. The only one I would consider changing is maybe keeping metalopolis and getting rid of xel'naga caverns. Out of the two, it's XC that I downvote. Granted, metal also had its issues; I hated playing Zerg on that map. I even prefer TvZ on tal'darim altar over metalopolis, since at least my hellions can run around on tal'darim. In metal there's only two tight corridors, both of which have to walk right past the watchtowers. :\

Aside from that, all but one of my downvotes have been opened up! :D If the new maps prove to be awful like everyone is pre-emptively crying they will be, I can just use my free downvotes on them. I like playing on typhon and backwater, though, and a lot of people hate those, so... I may very well enjoy the new maps anyway.
Twitter: @iamcaustic
modesttoss
Profile Joined June 2011
United States221 Posts
July 25 2011 22:36 GMT
#238
Sad they're taking out Metalopolis. T_T The new maps added are good atleast.
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 22:37:49
July 25 2011 22:36 GMT
#239
Xel'naga is one of the most imbalanced TvZ maps at this moment: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/396_Xel'Naga_Caverns

Why don't they remove it if they want to get rid of "old maps"?
Metalopolis is one of the best maps at this moment ...

This really makes me not ladder at all. I hate how stubborn Blizzard is ... they really have some clueless map makers.
OPL3SA2
Profile Joined April 2011
United States378 Posts
July 25 2011 22:37 GMT
#240
I think it's borderline hilarious that zerg had 60% winrate at the highest level of competition, and zergs complained the most about this map.
Playoffs? You're talking about playoffs?
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