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Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
July 25 2011 22:37 GMT
#241
Who is doing the math over at blizzard? In what world do they live where a 3 player version of metalopolis is more predictable than the same thing on shakuras, or a 2 player map like xel'naga?

Sometimes I would rather they just not explain the things they do at all.
Kuni
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Austria765 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 22:39:09
July 25 2011 22:38 GMT
#242
[image loading]

well... might not be 1 second, but it surely doesn't take more than 3 i guess, unless you cannot spawn on those locations. (the top 2 lines are exactly the length of the bottom 2, just in a straight line
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Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 25 2011 22:38 GMT
#243
On July 26 2011 07:37 OPL3SA2 wrote:
I think it's borderline hilarious that zerg had 60% winrate at the highest level of competition, and zergs complained the most about this map.


Difference between perception and reality.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
jaydubzsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States29 Posts
July 25 2011 22:39 GMT
#244
and they fuck up the game agian
dotEXE
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Netherlands41 Posts
July 25 2011 22:39 GMT
#245
Oh wow, Metalopolis out and Backwater Gulch stays in? And the reasoning is balance issues? So they are basically saying that Metalopolis is less balanced than Backwater? I wonder if they factor in rushes, allins etc with winrates to determine certain "imbalances". I'm personally not too sorry to see Scrap Station, Slag Pits and DQ go tho.

One thing I do know about season 3: I'm going to have a lot of fun with tanks.
I couldn't make up a funny quote...
Zerker
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada201 Posts
July 25 2011 22:39 GMT
#246
On July 26 2011 07:32 Treva wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 07:27 Zerker wrote:
On July 26 2011 07:19 Treva wrote:
On July 26 2011 07:09 Zerker wrote:
On July 26 2011 07:00 Treva wrote:
On July 26 2011 06:54 Zerker wrote:
On July 26 2011 06:52 Treva wrote:
On July 26 2011 06:43 Zerker wrote:
On July 26 2011 06:41 dani` wrote:
Great changes. Many people are whining about taking out Metalopolis but come on, give Blizzard a break. They are finally removing Scrap Station AND Delta Quadrant, excellent. If statistics indeed say it's imbalanced, let's believe them on this one. Besides, it's refreshing to see new maps. I am afraid I do have to thump down at Tal'Darim because PvP is just horrible (you have to 4 gate), even though I like the other 2 matchups a lot on it. All other maps now seem to have a ramp you can block with 1 FF (unlike Scrap, which was the main reason I thumped it down in S2).


How the FUCK can you give someone a break when they remove a map for a reason, but keep another map (shattered temple) in the pool when it has the EXACT same problem. It just goes to show their fucking incompetence.


Maybe because meta has been around for a year now and still shows problems while shattered has only been on around for a few months and Blizzard wants to see if given more time the current data will change. Calm down.


That's the most stupid logic i've ever heard in my life. Shattered temple shares the same problem as metalopolis what part of this do you not understand? Look i'm trying to be nice here, but it doesn't take a genius to understand this.


I really don't see how my logic is that far fetched and I really don't believe it's the most stupid logic you've ever heard in your life either. I'm not saying I don't understand the fact they have the same problems. I think giving a map that has been around about 1/4 the time as meta more time in the pool to see if it keeps following what their data is telling them now much more of a reasonable answer than just throwing it out only after a few months of play.


Do not troll me, I'm really not in the mood. You know as well as i do, that before shattered temple was re visioned, It was the lost temple. Also you should know Lost temple was released as one of the first map in Day 1 beta. You also know blizzard's reasoning behind removing Metalopolis and if you have an IQ over 75, You will understand the same reason should apply to shattered temple.

So i say again, Do NOT troll me. I'm really not looking forward to playing shit season 3, on shit maps. I'm in a bad enough mood as it is.


You actually don't classify the changes they made to Lost Temple as big enough to warrant a new time frame for gathering data on it? If you honestly think that then...idk I'm dumbfounded.


You are dumbfounded, that's exactly the problem.


That's cute but it still doesn't answer my question. I mean if you want to just make passive aggressive comments and not actually have a conversation about this topic then let me know.

stop trolling me bro.
Firesilver
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom1190 Posts
July 25 2011 22:40 GMT
#247
Sucks to see Metalopolis removed, my favorite map.

Hoping it returns in Season 4 though.
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OPL3SA2
Profile Joined April 2011
United States378 Posts
July 25 2011 22:40 GMT
#248
On July 26 2011 07:33 DeepBlu2 wrote:
Their reasoning wasn't close positions.. Their reasoning was it being a Zerg-favored map.... I have serious doubts about Blizzard. I played the test maps on PTR and the only thing I'm glad about is that I'll be able to veto most of them. Also, Shattered Temple Rush distance Close positions is much faster than Close positions metal.


Your opinions can be safely ignored for the entirety of the remainder of your life

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Playoffs? You're talking about playoffs?
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 22:43:21
July 25 2011 22:41 GMT
#249
On July 26 2011 07:37 OPL3SA2 wrote:
I think it's borderline hilarious that zerg had 60% winrate at the highest level of competition, and zergs complained the most about this map.


you think zergs complained the most about metal? What? Are you just uninformed or what? Other then close positions, almost every zerg I can think of loves metal, and will choose metal in a bo3 if they lose as long as close positions aren't available. Like -_-.

also idk where blizzard gets 60% win rate because in tournaments its not 60% win rate for zerg, and tournaments are what should matter more, not ladder from bronze to grandmasters lol.

on metal zvt its 53.7%, zvp 53.8%. Oh blizzard didn't know that was 60%.
When I think of something else, something will go here
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
July 25 2011 22:41 GMT
#250
lol, backwater gulch and typhoon peaks

blizzard, why so silly?
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xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
July 25 2011 22:41 GMT
#251
Man I'm going to miss Metalopolis. It allowed for some very nice, long, macro games
DanceSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States751 Posts
July 25 2011 22:41 GMT
#252
Im glad scrap station is gone, but Meta?
... now that I think about it, bye 3roach rush and 9pool abuse *,..,*
Dance.943 || "I think he's just going to lose. There's only so many ways you can lose. And he's going to make some kind of units. And I'm going to attack him, and then all his stuff is going to die. That's about the best prediction that I can make" - NonY
iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
July 25 2011 22:41 GMT
#253
They took out metal and keeping backwater -.- Awful pick.

They need to add in bel'shir beach,crevasse,terminus,dual sight. I would be so loyal to Bliz if they did and maybe testbug
Adapt and React I MKP, PartinG, EffOrt ♥
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
July 25 2011 22:42 GMT
#254
On July 26 2011 07:40 OPL3SA2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 07:33 DeepBlu2 wrote:
Their reasoning wasn't close positions.. Their reasoning was it being a Zerg-favored map.... I have serious doubts about Blizzard. I played the test maps on PTR and the only thing I'm glad about is that I'll be able to veto most of them. Also, Shattered Temple Rush distance Close positions is much faster than Close positions metal.


Your opinions can be safely ignored for the entirety of the remainder of your life


Don't worry, we can complain together ;D
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Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
July 25 2011 22:42 GMT
#255
LOL predictable, more like balanced with a slight favor to zerg. Overall, I'm fine with the changes, but can't really say for sure until I play the new additions. But with that reasoning on meta, why the FUCK are they keeping shattered in there? Why can't they simply disable the close spawns by following the same logic. Are they seriously legitimizing the balance of the map strictly by INCLUDING the close spawns? How does that make sense?
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Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
July 25 2011 22:42 GMT
#256
Removed Scrap Station. Yay!
Removed Slag Pits. Yay!
Removed Delta Quadrant. Yay!

They removed all the maps I had downvoted!

Removed Metalopolis...huh.

Actually, I'm not surprised by that at all. Metal was a great map with close positions removed, and Blizz seems to really hate gimmicky things like that. MLG Metal is still a fantastic map, but Test Map 1 (Nerazim Crypt?) was very blatantly a "new" Metalopolis that tried to address the close spawn problem.

So I'm okay with that.

While I liked Metal, a lot, overall I think these changes improve the map pool. They got rid of the three most hated maps (Backwater is popular among casuals, apparently), and one really old one that people only like with close spawns disabled.

Fun as it is to gang up on blizzard, they're kind of sort of listening to the community. Mostly. 75%.
nforce
Profile Joined March 2010
Bulgaria116 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 22:44:31
July 25 2011 22:42 GMT
#257
Calm down, guys, I'm sure Blizzard know what they are doing and talking about when map balance is the subject.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://i.imgur.com/e35Pc.jpg


Oh, wait...
sh4w
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States713 Posts
July 25 2011 22:42 GMT
#258
Completely agree with the reasoning on removing Metal.
But it's weird that they say that they are examining close pos and rush distances when 1 of their new maps is acclaimed by them to be a "rush map".
At least they are starting to go in the right direction a little bit.
I want to go back to being weird. I like being weird. Weird is all I've got. That and my sweet style.
Bluerain
Profile Joined April 2010
United States348 Posts
July 25 2011 22:42 GMT
#259
On July 26 2011 07:37 OPL3SA2 wrote:
I think it's borderline hilarious that zerg had 60% winrate at the highest level of competition, and zergs complained the most about this map.


i think its hilarious that ppl take the words of blizzard with blind faith. think about it yourself what makes a map imbalanced and what makes it imbalanced for zerg. then think whats worse, meta or these new maps.
OPL3SA2
Profile Joined April 2011
United States378 Posts
July 25 2011 22:43 GMT
#260
On July 26 2011 07:33 DeepBlu2 wrote:
Their reasoning wasn't close positions.. Their reasoning was it being a Zerg-favored map.... I have serious doubts about Blizzard. I played the test maps on PTR and the only thing I'm glad about is that I'll be able to veto most of them. Also, Shattered Temple Rush distance Close positions is much faster than Close positions metal.


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