EPTTSL's Coach Lee speaks out on PuMa - Page 24
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phuzi0n
United States308 Posts
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Diabolegal
United States110 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:34 GTR wrote: At first, we wanted him on a contract, and so did the other teammates. But we did not feel it was necessary at the time since everyone showed so much passion and commitment. I trusted him, but now I am regretting my decision [to put off the contract] a little bit. We are going to put everyone on a contract. Every team member has agreed to sign and no other player has a desire to leave the team. They're only now requiring their players to sign contracts? No wonder Puma left w/o resistance. If you go out in the rain without an umbrella, you'll get soaked. I've seen lemonade stands with better legal departments. | ||
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Sega92
United States467 Posts
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
On July 23 2011 06:14 Vansetsu wrote: Like others have said, EG has kind of a history of doing seedy stuff, acting hypocritical, ect. Some of their current lineup have repeatedly said and done things that aren't really too bright either. Kind of just the nail in the coffin for some I guess, I personally haven't cared for the team for a few years now. Their SC2 presence hadn't really helped me change my opinion either. I deemed this transaction as shady at best and that was it until WoC yesterday. Alex Garfield's little "non-accusatory" question for Milkis just did it. If he's so worried about EG's public image being ruined, then he probably should've gone about this entire situation differently. | ||
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Iggnite
Canada288 Posts
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Kich
United States339 Posts
On July 23 2011 06:14 Vansetsu wrote: Like others have said, EG has kind of a history of doing seedy stuff, acting hypocritical, ect. Some of their current lineup have repeatedly said and done things that aren't really too bright either. Kind of just the nail in the coffin for some I guess, I personally haven't cared for the team for a few years now. Their SC2 presence hadn't really helped me change my opinion either. Puma explicitly requested that EG not talk to his coach and would rather speak to him himself. Are you confirming that EG, in their effort to learn humility, should ignore their players/potential players requests and go over their head? | ||
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purecarnagge
719 Posts
On July 23 2011 05:43 Condor Hero wrote: Jesus ignorance in posts like these make me want to punch a wall. You think the team houses dont train their players?? If it was as simple as giving any player food and them winning for you then why does EG have to poach a player who doesnt even speak english?? Criticize the Korean way all you want but the fact of the matter is, it is proven to be successful at training higher level players. Idk about you but as people like Huk, Jinro, and other Koreans makes me love Esports because I want to watch people sacrifice and train to be the best, not just for the easy money. if you read the interview, rain, fruitdealer and tester all left under amicible conditions. Fruitdealer and tester specifically left OGS i believe because they didnt want to practice as much. TSL had very loose practice conditions but then why they started losing the coach decided to up the practice schedule so they left. If TSL is so bad you should ask why do players like Clide and Sangho still stay. You know sometimes you need to read inbetween the lines... Just because they don't want to bash there former team doesn't mean they give 2 cents about them. When you ask me to give my salary back because I'm winning money in CODE S I have a fundemental problem with my coach/organization. Just an opinion. The organization started paying players too fast, and they didn't get the sponsors that they hoped for. This is on the organization. when you work for someone you expect to be paid when they say they will pay you. Its really that simple. PUMA got paid. PUMA saw established players not getting paid what was told would be there salary when they asked for it back. | ||
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Mioraka
Canada1353 Posts
On July 23 2011 05:53 kdmx wrote: One of the few intelligent posts in this thread full of business and cultural "experts". If anyone mention "welcome to the world of business". It's the EG guys and their supporters. And guess what, they might be doing great business, but I won't buy shit from their sponsor any more. Of course my opinion doesn't matter, I'm only one person that can vote with my foot. And EG shouldn't care about my opinion either, keep up their good PR management and continue doing stuff like this. Oh btw, did the OP contact EG to get their approval yet? Or else why is this on the community news? Biased journalism according to EG. | ||
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OliverDONG
Canada151 Posts
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On July 23 2011 06:21 purecarnagge wrote: You know sometimes you need to read inbetween the lines... Just because they don't want to bash there former team doesn't mean they give 2 cents about them. When you ask me to give my salary back because I'm winning money in CODE S I have a fundemental problem with my coach/organization. Just an opinion. The organization started paying players too fast, and they didn't get the sponsors that they hoped for. This is on the organization. when you work for someone you expect to be paid when they say they will pay you. Its really that simple. PUMA got paid. PUMA saw established players not getting paid what was told would be there salary when they asked for it back. if you choose to "read between the lines" you can interpret things anyway you want to. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On July 23 2011 06:16 Diabolegal wrote: They're only now requiring their players to sign contracts? No wonder Puma left w/o resistance. If you go out in the rain without an umbrella, you'll get soaked. I've seen lemonade stands with better legal departments. On the contrary, almost all TSL players have stayed out of either loyalty or just satisfaction, with Tester and Fruitdealer leaving early on with the blessing of the team. Rain was clearly making noises about leaving for a while (his dad in NY, his dream to travel etc) Without EG picking up PuMa, contracts would likely not be necessary for quite a while at least. Like most disputes, both sides are at fault. TSL could have done with some protection against this kind of 'poaching'. EG could have done with... doing it in an ethical way? Personally, I'm not so annoyed by the approach of EG as the fact that the team spirit of the Korean and foreigner teams will be worth nothing if they follow a purely capitalist approach. There needs to be some loyalty, some trust, and leaving your team should be a last resort if you are unhappy rather than a matter of course. | ||
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Kich
United States339 Posts
On July 23 2011 06:17 xXFireandIceXx wrote: I deemed this transaction as shady at best and that was it until WoC yesterday. Alex Garfield's little "non-accusatory" question for Milkis just did it. If he's so worried about EG's public image being ruined, then he probably should've gone about this entire situation differently. That's where this is just kind of ridiculous--they shouldn't have. Coach Lee on the other hand, should not have publicly scorned them for doing something very normal. The reason this is so stupid is that you would not be mad, this thread wouldn't exist, if Coach Lee wasn't mad about it. Everyone seems to agree (or if they don't, that's an entirely different argument) that it was a good choice for Puma to leave a team that he had no contract with, no salary with, and no benefits with, for a team that offered him everything he didn't have. People are mad because Lee tried to make it sound like EG did something wrong, and not say.. Puma, or himself. He even tried to coerce Puma to stay on the team by threatening that he'd get enormous backlash for making the switch. How is that ok but EG respecting Puma's decision to talk to Coach Lee himself instead of letting them talk to him, isn't ok? | ||
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Fishriot
United States621 Posts
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ClutchSC
Canada34 Posts
On July 23 2011 06:16 phuzi0n wrote: This whole situation wreaked of shit from the start, EG tries to make a deal with the former team when they want a player. It seems that EG was just fishing for interest, Puma expressed interested and wanted to discuss it himself with Mr. Lee first, and then Mr. Lee got pissed that another player wanted to leave and cried about it publicly when the deal isn't even done. EG has nothing to apologize for anyways because Puma wasn't even contracted and it's TSL's own fault for not contracting every one of their players. That has nothing to do with culture, it is pure business, contract your players (even just for room and board) if you want to keep them!!! Totally agree with this statement. I'm really disappointed with the response the vast majority of the community has put forward; like it or not, the foreign scene has become more lucrative than the Korean scene in regards to SC2. I applaud EG for offering Puma the opportunity to travel and reap greater benefits for his talents. As far as the manner in which this took place, it was fully within their rights as an organization, and given the nature of the aforementioned 'fishing', there was no responsibility to contact the coach; Puma had even told them he would prefer to do so himself. So EG, I applaud you. | ||
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JayDee_
548 Posts
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Kich
United States339 Posts
On July 23 2011 06:27 Fishriot wrote: I get the feeling that Alex Garfield's time on WoC was his statement, as shady and hypocritical as it was... Explicitly state what was shady and/or hypocritical about what he said on WOC? | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On July 23 2011 06:30 JayDee_ wrote: You can't blame a person for wanting a better deal if you don't have that person on contract. TSL's lack of professionalism is showing. Yeah EG is so professional and this brewed into a shitstorm. uhhh... btw the game is starcraft and TSL grows good players that wins shit, seems like theyre doing something right. On July 23 2011 06:32 Kich wrote: Explicitly state what was shady and/or hypocritical about what he said on WOC? it was pretty shady and hypocritical when he attacked a translator for guess what? translating the whole thing was just a bad idea. you have AG, who should be professional trained to handle PR, given thats his job representing EG. then you have milkis, who represents.... what? if its between EG and TSL then TSL should have sent someone or at least presented their argument to milkis. instead this is like that episode of SOTG where day9 (milkis in this case) lost that debate on balance when he didnt even engage in a debate on balance. | ||
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Nivity
Sweden371 Posts
Thankfully EG got players we know will fail like incontrol (sorry hate that guy and his dying love for shit eg) Will be cheering for EG, to fail. Clide, best human on earth! CLIIIIIIIIIDE!! And btw, TSL got a billion times better players then useless EG. | ||
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integrity
United States1014 Posts
On July 23 2011 06:25 OliverDONG wrote: Im really glad to read Coach Lee's point of view on all this but im really disappointed that EG hasn't made a real statement about all this yet... the longer they wait only the worst it can be for their image if you ask me.. why. the papers as of yet haven't been signed...Puma is still not officially EG yet no need to comment yet | ||
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Kiangani
United States122 Posts
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