EPTTSL's Coach Lee speaks out on PuMa - Page 25
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Craminit
United States58 Posts
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Legio
Sweden235 Posts
On July 22 2011 12:34 GTR wrote: Are you saying that some other TSL members were approached as well? Yes, I found out through this whole ordeal. When SangHo and Clide were approached by other teams, they told me that they declined the offers due to their respect for TSL and the importance of continuing with the team that they originally started with. They thought it was best not to tell me since they thought it would cause unnecessary distractions and concerns. So other teams have reached out to ShanHo and Clide, and they didnt go thru Coach Lee. It seems like no one talks to Coach Lee first, no wonder hes pissed. | ||
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Vansetsu
United States1454 Posts
On July 23 2011 06:21 Kich wrote: Puma explicitly requested that EG not talk to his coach and would rather speak to him himself. Are you confirming that EG, in their effort to learn humility, should ignore their players/potential players requests and go over their head? ...Dude. First of all, as far as humility is concerned, like I just got done typing, they have a HISTORY of this sort of thing. Second, it's arguable whether EG should have approached TSL and not Puma first to begin with (as that kind of makes the whole "going over pumas head thing irreverent, and, i don't know, maybe shows some respect to TSL as well?). Regardless, most people think it's a lousy thing to do, TSL is not just a training camp, it is a team. TSL trained a great player, EG bought him out from under TSL. Like I said, it's an arguable way to do business. But most people who feel like I do think it's a pretty dirty thing to do, as TSL looses a friend and a teammate, Puma probably looses the training environment that made him good in the first place, and EG just gets to act like it has some merit for "fielding" a player, of whom they didn't do anything of merit to foster his ability. I personally think on 20 levels that's just bad, but that's just mine an obviously some others opinion. Anyways, next time you quote me, please read what is written and not what you want to argue about. | ||
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Kich
United States339 Posts
On July 23 2011 06:39 Legio wrote: So other teams have reached out to ShanHo and Clide, and they didnt go thru Coach Lee. It seems like no one talks to Coach Lee first, no wonder hes pissed. That's because no one is supposed to. It can't be that hard to like, critically think about that. You don't go to a coach and say: "Hey I'd like to recruit one of your top players!" before speaking to that player. If Puma was contracted, that'd be different. And even then, in no circumstance will Coach Lee ever be the first person spoken to about it if at all. It's up to the player, not him. If puma was contracted, AFTER speaking with Puma, they would contact Coach Lee to set up a buyout to fulfill the contract, but Puma wasn't contracted. It's his decision to leave and Coach Lee really shouldn't have a say in it. People think way too little before posting (not you, in general though). Whenever something like this occurs, lay out the facts objectively to see what's going on. EG made an offer to Puma. Puma showed interest. Puma requested that he speak to Coach Lee instead of EG. EG let him do that. Puma spoke to Coach Lee. Coach Lee made public statements about what happened. EG is getting backlash for not speaking to Coach Lee. See line 3. The fact that this is even an issue is mind boggling. | ||
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Von
United States363 Posts
... and he was approached by a top foreign team that has more prospects to play professionally. And they probably offered him a much better deal. So he took it. Good on him. Kids not under contract. He has the right to look after his own career. In the U.S. it would be considered odd for anyone to have any kind of a problem with this at all. It would have nothing to do with 'honor' or 'loyalty' here. As far as I know, the guys in TSL are not his childhood friends from the old gang that formed a pro gaming team. Its business. He got a better deal. TSL fucked up by not getting that contract. End of story imo. | ||
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eohs
United States677 Posts
On July 23 2011 06:16 phuzi0n wrote: This whole situation wreaked of shit from the start, EG tries to make a deal with the former team when they want a player. It seems that EG was just fishing for interest, Puma expressed interested and wanted to discuss it himself with Mr. Lee first, and then Mr. Lee got pissed that another player wanted to leave and cried about it publicly when the deal isn't even done. EG has nothing to apologize for anyways because Puma wasn't even contracted and it's TSL's own fault for not contracting every one of their players. That has nothing to do with culture, it is pure business, contract your players (even just for room and board) if you want to keep them!!! I am not hating on EG but you should really check EG's history :D in getting members. | ||
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Von
United States363 Posts
On July 23 2011 06:47 Kich wrote: The fact that this is even an issue is mind boggling. This's what I'm sayin'. Sounds like this has more to do with Korean culture than anything else. . | ||
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skiptomylou1231
United States63 Posts
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phuzi0n
United States308 Posts
On July 23 2011 06:41 Vansetsu wrote: econd, it's arguable whether EG should have approached TSL and not Puma first to begin with (as that kind of makes the whole "going over pumas head thing irreverent, and, i don't know, maybe shows some respect to TSL as well?). Regardless, most people think it's a lousy thing to do, TSL is not just a training camp, it is a team. TSL trained a great player, EG bought him out from under TSL. Like I said, it's an arguable way to do business. But most people who feel like I do think it's a pretty dirty thing to do, as TSL looses a friend and a teammate, Puma probably looses the training environment that made him good in the first place, and EG just gets to act like it has some merit for "fielding" a player, of whom they didn't do anything of merit to foster his ability. I personally think on 20 levels that's just bad, but that's just mine an obviously some others opinion. That is ridiculous. You do not talk to a team before even fishing to find out if the player is interested in leaving the team for yours. If Mr Lee hadn't came out crying publicly I'm sure EG would have contacted him to try to work out a buyout even though Puma isn't even contracted. Mr Lee shit all over Puma and EG by threatening there would be backlash and then crying about it to create the backlash. Everybody would be excited about this if he had kept his mouth shut and waited for the private talks to happen. | ||
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zeOllie
Australia486 Posts
On another note, good luck to TSL. It must be a pretty fragile situation there and I give them my full support. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
This was news to me. Hard to defend EG when there is a precedent for shady shit like this. | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On July 23 2011 06:39 Craminit wrote: Wow, he handling it a lot better then others would. If we saw the coach of FXO or Slayers get a player stolen I think we would be seeing a much more heated response. I really don't think it would be heated with FXO. They have previously reached out to players already on team to recruit, and said that it's business. So if the reverse were to happen I'm sure they would be upset as any team would be, but I don't think it would get heated. | ||
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Marsupian
Netherlands455 Posts
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Destro
Netherlands1206 Posts
i hope the best for TSL, puma, and EG and hope we can all go back to watching awesome pro gaming without the drama. | ||
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OPL3SA2
United States378 Posts
On July 23 2011 06:48 Von wrote: This kid is good enough to be a consistently top placing pro if not one of the best ever ... ... and he was approached by a top foreign team that has more prospects to play professionally. And they probably offered him a much better deal. So he took it. Good on him. Kids not under contract. He has the right to look after his own career. In the U.S. it would be considered odd for anyone to have any kind of a problem with this at all. It would have nothing to do with 'honor' or 'loyalty' here. As far as I know, the guys in TSL are not his childhood friends from the old gang that formed a pro gaming team. Its business. He got a better deal. TSL fucked up by not getting that contract. End of story imo. Whoah Whoah Whoah TSL_Gentleman (that's his real ID, watch more Gretech corp imo) isn't a world class player that has the chance to be the best ever. NASL was only a big deal not because of the player pool but rather because of the prize pool. Puma travelled to the US, realized everyone here sucked, took our trophy, and realized "hey, i think i want to take more trophies from these chubby kids" The only reason why this is dramatic is because he's a hot commodity after NASL. Please wait for about 2 months, during which time Puma might have won an ICCup or a Zotac cup. He will be somewhat dominant here in the US, but only comparatively. I honestly think Puma is a B-teamer on TSL, which explains exactly why he wasn't given a contract. After winning an untaxed 50,000$, yeah it's a big deal for TSL to lose him at this time. And considering EG's best players are Idra and Incontrol, yeah it's a big deal for EG to pick him up. But if you would please put this in the context of IM_Bomber, who if those two ever played a game? HAHAHAHAHAHAH Bomber could fucking walk up to his booth and make faces in the middle of the god damn fucking game and still go back to his booth and win. I wholeheartedly wish all people could scout talent as well as the handful that do it correctly <cough>. Coach Lee is one of those people. That's why he : a) didn't sign puma b) didn't give a shit when he left other than c) wanted to make sure his departure was not well received in the US. Good luck <shrug> | ||
ziggurat
Canada847 Posts
On July 23 2011 06:48 Von wrote: This kid is good enough to be a consistently top placing pro if not one of the best ever ... ... and he was approached by a top foreign team that has more prospects to play professionally. And they probably offered him a much better deal. So he took it. Good on him. Kids not under contract. He has the right to look after his own career. In the U.S. it would be considered odd for anyone to have any kind of a problem with this at all. It would have nothing to do with 'honor' or 'loyalty' here. As far as I know, the guys in TSL are not his childhood friends from the old gang that formed a pro gaming team. Its business. He got a better deal. TSL fucked up by not getting that contract. End of story imo. 100% agree. This is a very simple situation and the only people who are getting upset about it are kids who don't have real jobs. | ||
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whereismymind
United Kingdom717 Posts
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Faxer
Denmark22 Posts
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
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farvacola
United States18855 Posts
On July 23 2011 07:05 OPL3SA2 wrote: Whoah Whoah Whoah TSL_Gentleman (that's his real ID, watch more Gretech corp imo) isn't a world class player that has the chance to be the best ever. NASL was only a big deal not because of the player pool but rather because of the prize pool. Puma travelled to the US, realized everyone here sucked, took our trophy, and realized "hey, i think i want to take more trophies from these chubby kids" The only reason why this is dramatic is because he's a hot commodity after NASL. Please wait for about 2 months, during which time Puma might have won an ICCup or a Zotac cup. He will be somewhat dominant here in the US, but only comparatively. I honestly think Puma is a B-teamer on TSL, which explains exactly why he wasn't given a contract. After winning an untaxed 50,000$, yeah it's a big deal for TSL to lose him at this time. And considering EG's best players are Idra and Incontrol, yeah it's a big deal for EG to pick him up. But if you would please put this in the context of IM_Bomber, who if those two ever played a game? HAHAHAHAHAHAH Bomber could fucking walk up to his booth and make faces in the middle of the god damn fucking game and still go back to his booth and win. I wholeheartedly wish all people could scout talent as well as the handful that do it correctly <cough>. Coach Lee is one of those people. That's why he : a) didn't sign puma b) didn't give a shit when he left other than c) wanted to make sure his departure was not well received in the US. Good luck <shrug> A quick tip, if you're going to post a long-winded, blow hard know-it-all post, at least get the team of your supposed jesus player right, It's ST_Bomber bro. Oh yeah, who did Puma beat at the NASL, do you even know? Probably not. | ||
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