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On July 22 2011 12:34 GTR wrote:
Why do you think this happened?
I think foreign teams approach them due to their fan base. Clide has a lot of foreign fans … about 2 to 3 thousand Twitter followers that consists mostly of foreigners. SangHo does as well. It’s a lot of fans considering they haven’t won a major tournament yet. As for PuMa, I believe the offers came in due to his victory at NASL, but am just disappointed that he made such a big decision in such a short time.
This reply was lol worthy :D
Foreign teams approach kor top players because they give you wins in the #1 rated sc2 tournament under your team brand and in return you give them ... food.
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On July 23 2011 05:24 DarkSider wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:34 GTR wrote:
Why do you think this happened?
I think foreign teams approach them due to their fan base. Clide has a lot of foreign fans … about 2 to 3 thousand Twitter followers that consists mostly of foreigners. SangHo does as well. It’s a lot of fans considering they haven’t won a major tournament yet. As for PuMa, I believe the offers came in due to his victory at NASL, but am just disappointed that he made such a big decision in such a short time.
This reply was lol worthy :D Foreign teams approach kor top players because they give you wins in the #1 rated sc2 tournament under your team brand and in return you give them ... food.
Or you give them contracts so they have guaranteed money on a guarantee sponsored team for a guaranteed amount of time. Like EG did.
Instead of housing them in Korea and giving them food, in Korea housed up with your Korean team full of guys in the same position. While not being contracted. And having nothing guaranteed.
Thanks for straightening that out for us.
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So TSL loses Tester, Fruitdealer, Rain, and now Puma. All for various reasons I know, but at some point they have to consider that the way they run their team might have something to do with why certain players are leaving.
TSL seems to think that if they provide room and board and an extremely modest stipend then they should have total loyalty of those players. Where does that loyalty end? At what point is a team taking advantage of the goodwill of players? Some people are loyal to the extreme up to the point it will damage their future and financial well being.
TSL should be putting players under contract. Even if it is just to say, that players have the right to shop for better deals so long as TSL gets right of first refusal or matching. Basing a business relationship on trust and loyalty is damaging and possibly emotionally confusing to young idealistic people as well as seasoned business people trying to find stability. I hope other teams take note as well.
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On July 23 2011 05:24 DarkSider wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:34 GTR wrote:
Why do you think this happened?
I think foreign teams approach them due to their fan base. Clide has a lot of foreign fans … about 2 to 3 thousand Twitter followers that consists mostly of foreigners. SangHo does as well. It’s a lot of fans considering they haven’t won a major tournament yet. As for PuMa, I believe the offers came in due to his victory at NASL, but am just disappointed that he made such a big decision in such a short time.
This reply was lol worthy :D Foreign teams approach kor top players because they give you wins in the #1 rated sc2 tournament under your team brand and in return you give them ... food.
Jesus ignorance in posts like these make me want to punch a wall.
You think the team houses dont train their players??
If it was as simple as giving any player food and them winning for you then why does EG have to poach a player who doesnt even speak english??
Criticize the Korean way all you want but the fact of the matter is, it is proven to be successful at training higher level players.
Idk about you but as people like Huk, Jinro, and other Koreans makes me love Esports because I want to watch people sacrifice and train to be the best, not just for the easy money.
On July 23 2011 05:34 Aurdon wrote:
So TSL loses Tester, Fruitdealer, Rain, and now Puma. All for various reasons I know, but at some point they have to consider that the way they run their team might have something to do with why certain players are leaving.
TSL seems to think that if they provide room and board and an extremely modest stipend then they should have total loyalty of those players. Where does that loyalty end? At what point is a team taking advantage of the goodwill of players? Some people are loyal to the extreme up to the point it will damage their future and financial well being.
TSL should be putting players under contract. Even if it is just to say, that players have the right to shop for better deals so long as TSL gets right of first refusal or matching. Basing a business relationship on trust and loyalty is damaging and possibly emotionally confusing to young idealistic people as well as seasoned business people trying to find stability. I hope other teams take note as well.
if you read the interview, rain, fruitdealer and tester all left under amicible conditions.
Fruitdealer and tester specifically left OGS i believe because they didnt want to practice as much.
TSL had very loose practice conditions but then why they started losing the coach decided to up the practice schedule so they left.
If TSL is so bad you should ask why do players like Clide and Sangho still stay.
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I wonder why there aren't more leagues or big tournaments in Korea, that would solve the problem. Does SC2 lake fanbase in Korea ?
Anyway in a player perspective I understand Puma's decision, as his former coach said he can win more money in the foreign tournaments that he would ever won in Korea...
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This stupid topic needs to die. So many 'experts' crawling out of the woodwork and sheep jumping on the bandwagon. The fact that Coach Lee even moaned about this originally on a public forum is a disgrace and he should be apologizing for causing this shitfest. If he had a serious gripe with EG's methods he should have contacted them before posting on a forum to seek a resolution. I do believe EG should have contacted TSL about it themselves, but assuming they let PuMa do what he wanted and talk to the Coach himself, if Alex Garfield is to be believed, then I'm not sure if they could have reasonably expected anything like this. Hell, PuMa hasn't even signed for EG yet...
The demands of the community for answers on something which they aren't really even obligated to know anything about is pretty absurd, as is the witch hunt that's going on right now.
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On July 23 2011 05:44 FeeL_ThE_RusH wrote:
This stupid topic needs to die. So many 'experts' crawling out of the woodwork and sheep jumping on the bandwagon. The fact that Coach Lee even moaned about this originally on a public forum is a disgrace and he should be apologizing for causing this shitfest. If he had a serious gripe with EG's methods he should have contacted them before posting on a forum to seek a resolution. I do believe EG should have contacted TSL about it themselves, but assuming they let PuMa do what he wanted and talk to the Coach himself, if Alex Garfield is to be believed, then I'm not sure if they could have reasonably expected anything like this. Hell, PuMa hasn't even signed for EG yet...
The demands of the community for answers on something which they aren't really even obligated to know anything about is pretty absurd, as is the witch hunt that's going on right now.
Agreed completely unfortunately there is only about 1% of us in the total community 
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On July 23 2011 05:44 FeeL_ThE_RusH wrote:
This stupid topic needs to die. So many 'experts' crawling out of the woodwork and sheep jumping on the bandwagon. The fact that Coach Lee even moaned about this originally on a public forum is a disgrace and he should be apologizing for causing this shitfest. If he had a serious gripe with EG's methods he should have contacted them before posting on a forum to seek a resolution. I do believe EG should have contacted TSL about it themselves, but assuming they let PuMa do what he wanted and talk to the Coach himself, if Alex Garfield is to be believed, then I'm not sure if they could have reasonably expected anything like this. Hell, PuMa hasn't even signed for EG yet...
The demands of the community for answers on something which they aren't really even obligated to know anything about is pretty absurd, as is the witch hunt that's going on right now.
One of the few intelligent posts in this thread full of business and cultural "experts".
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On July 23 2011 05:44 FeeL_ThE_RusH wrote:
This stupid topic needs to die. So many 'experts' crawling out of the woodwork and sheep jumping on the bandwagon. The fact that Coach Lee even moaned about this originally on a public forum is a disgrace and he should be apologizing for causing this shitfest. If he had a serious gripe with EG's methods he should have contacted them before posting on a forum to seek a resolution. I do believe EG should have contacted TSL about it themselves, but assuming they let PuMa do what he wanted and talk to the Coach himself, if Alex Garfield is to be believed, then I'm not sure if they could have reasonably expected anything like this. Hell, PuMa hasn't even signed for EG yet...
The demands of the community for answers on something which they aren't really even obligated to know anything about is pretty absurd, as is the witch hunt that's going on right now.
Basically this. How was EG remotely in the wrong when Puma explicitly told them: "I want to talk to Coach Lee myself."
The paranoia, entitlement, ignorance, hyperbole, and misguided emotions on this site are getting seriously out of hand. On one post earlier in this thread someone actually suggested that EG was purposefully, single handedly trying to collapse the Korean SC2 scene by buying out their players.
The catastrophically stupid level of thinking that is required to put that idea forward is mind boggling, as is most conspiracy theorist ideas presented in this thread.
EG made an offer to Puma
Instead of EG talking to TSL, Puma asked to talk to TSL himself
Coach Lee got mad at EG for not going over Puma's head.
Awkward.
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personally the way i see it is. Mr Lee feelings were hurt. to have someone who he has put so much time and energy and who he cared about personally has just went and threw him under the bus. it hurts i understand and sympathize with him for that.
but after all is said and done. I agree completely with Team EG. and i think it would have been benifical to Mr Lee if had waited to the whole thing was said and done before he lashed out as he has done
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On July 23 2011 05:56 integrity wrote:
personally the way i see it is. Mr Lee feelings were hurt. to have someone who he has put so much time and energy and who he cared about personally has just went and threw him under the bus. it hurts i understand and sympathize with him for that.
but after all is said and done. I agree completely with Team EG. and i think it would have been benifical to Mr Lee if had waited to the whole thing was said and done before he lashed out as he has done
I'd be more inclined to believe that this was just Lee's last straw. He's lost what, four players to other teams recently? I can see that being brutal, but in no way is EG at fault here, not for wanting to make their team better and certainly not for respecting Puma's decision to speak to his coach personally.
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Nice to see the coach is respectable and mature enough not to flame EG and still wish the best for Puma, while respectfully and sadly disagreeing with his and his players actions, despite whether he personally thinks EG is garbage or not. Maybe EG could learn a little bit of this humility, it'd be a really nice small step for me and a lot of other people that will probably give about 2 shits about team EG for a long time coming.
On a sidenote, TSL has a new fanboy. What a bunch of winners <3
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On July 23 2011 06:00 Vansetsu wrote:
Nice to see the coach is respectable and mature enough not to flame EG and still wish the best for Puma, while respectfully and sadly disagreeing with his and his players actions, despite whether he personally thinks EG is garbage or not. Maybe EG could learn a little bit of this humility, it'd be a really nice small step for me and a lot of other people that will probably give about 2 shits about team EG for a long time coming.
On a sidenote, TSL has a new fanboy. What a bunch of winners <3
Why are you commending him for something that should be default. EG didn't do anything wrong, they weren't doing anything malicious, they made an offer to someone on his team, that person hasn't even accepted it yet.
What humility does EG need to learn? To disrespect their players/potential players wishes and go over their head?
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EG have a history of dirty transfers that go all the way back to Counter-Strike. (Which involves compLexity's CS team)
So the likelihood of EG learning anything from this experience is slim.
The owner (Alex Garfield) is a bit of a weasel.
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On July 23 2011 06:02 Kich wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 06:00 Vansetsu wrote:
Nice to see the coach is respectable and mature enough not to flame EG and still wish the best for Puma, while respectfully and sadly disagreeing with his and his players actions, despite whether he personally thinks EG is garbage or not. Maybe EG could learn a little bit of this humility, it'd be a really nice small step for me and a lot of other people that will probably give about 2 shits about team EG for a long time coming.
On a sidenote, TSL has a new fanboy. What a bunch of winners <3 Why are you commending him for something that should be default. EG didn't do anything wrong, they weren't doing anything malicious, they made an offer to someone on his team, that person hasn't even accepted it yet. What humility does EG need to learn? To disrespect their players/potential players wishes and go over their head?
EG needs to learn that organizations (i.e. teams) exist and consider themselves invested in their players. It's common courtesy to let the team know PROFESSIONALLY, not after the fact. Don't even bring up the word contract.
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I'm no business expert or anthropologist but Puma being given the chance to make a lot of money for doing what he loves and travel the world is pretty damn cool in my opinion.
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Mad respect for sangho and clide...
Just wow
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"First of all, I would like to apologize to FruitDealer and Tester for not fulfilling what I’ve promised to do."
I dunno how but somehow i was really touched by this statement, as a coach he recognizes his mistakes and it shows how he is really committed to this job. honestly i feel that throughout all this chaos the current members will have better room for their focus... kinda like from chaos comes order! best of lucky TSL <3
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on the matter with dirty transfers, they arent called evil geniuses for a reason 
respect for clide + sangho, big thing what they did
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On July 23 2011 06:02 Kich wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 06:00 Vansetsu wrote:
Nice to see the coach is respectable and mature enough not to flame EG and still wish the best for Puma, while respectfully and sadly disagreeing with his and his players actions, despite whether he personally thinks EG is garbage or not. Maybe EG could learn a little bit of this humility, it'd be a really nice small step for me and a lot of other people that will probably give about 2 shits about team EG for a long time coming.
On a sidenote, TSL has a new fanboy. What a bunch of winners <3 Why are you commending him for something that should be default. EG didn't do anything wrong, they weren't doing anything malicious, they made an offer to someone on his team, that person hasn't even accepted it yet. What humility does EG need to learn? To disrespect their players/potential players wishes and go over their head?
Like others have said, EG has kind of a history of doing seedy stuff, acting hypocritical, ect. Some of their current lineup have repeatedly said and done things that aren't really too bright either. Kind of just the nail in the coffin for some I guess, I personally haven't cared for the team for a few years now. Their SC2 presence hadn't really helped me change my opinion either.
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