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On July 23 2011 04:06 pStar wrote:
I feel so sorry for TSl, they basically found this guy and made him into a starcraft player. Whats even more annoying is the complete lack of respect that EG showed.
Also, that guy who was on Lo3 last night was an asshole, and did not even let Milkis put across his argument, this I feel was what EG did the whole time, with them not even approaching TSL
ESTRO made this player, he was playing there already when Idra was.
Puma would have been able to get into any korean team he wanted.
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On July 23 2011 04:35 Usagi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:06 pStar wrote:
I feel so sorry for TSl, they basically found this guy and made him into a starcraft player. Whats even more annoying is the complete lack of respect that EG showed.
Also, that guy who was on Lo3 last night was an asshole, and did not even let Milkis put across his argument, this I feel was what EG did the whole time, with them not even approaching TSL ESTRO made this player, he was playing there already when Idra was. Puma would have been able to get into any korean team he wanted.
Estro made him into a pretty mediocore BW player
TSL made him a top level terran SC2 player
I think you severely underestimate the amount of time and effort coaching has in a player's performance
Korean progame coaches arent like american high school football coaches where you just see them for a 2-3 hour daily practice. they live together and its much more of a father/son relationship than some americans seem to think.
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No man, Sir Scoots will be Puma's new dad! They'll toss the ball around during the evenings, give each other man-hugs when appropriate, and have serious talks about life and what it means to become a man.
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On July 23 2011 04:41 zarepath wrote:
No man, Sir Scoots will be Puma's new dad! They'll toss the ball around during the evenings, give each other man-hugs when appropriate, and have serious talks about life and what it means to become a man.
maybe sirscoots should focus on developing some of the players he already has under contract, because they havent been doing so well for such a major organization.
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There's a saying where I come from.
"If you liked it, then you shoulda put a ring on it."
LOL
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On July 23 2011 04:44 sCfO20 wrote:
There's a saying where I come from.
"If you liked it, then you shoulda put a ring on it."
LOL
hahaha, brilliant
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On July 23 2011 04:43 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:41 zarepath wrote:
No man, Sir Scoots will be Puma's new dad! They'll toss the ball around during the evenings, give each other man-hugs when appropriate, and have serious talks about life and what it means to become a man. maybe sirscoots should focus on developing some of the players he already has under contract, because they havent been doing so well for such a major organization.
I'm certain that post was sarcasm in regards to people saying Coach Lee is Daddy Puma playing softball with his boys in the summer.
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On July 23 2011 04:38 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:35 Usagi wrote:On July 23 2011 04:06 pStar wrote:
I feel so sorry for TSl, they basically found this guy and made him into a starcraft player. Whats even more annoying is the complete lack of respect that EG showed.
Also, that guy who was on Lo3 last night was an asshole, and did not even let Milkis put across his argument, this I feel was what EG did the whole time, with them not even approaching TSL ESTRO made this player, he was playing there already when Idra was. Puma would have been able to get into any korean team he wanted. Estro made him into a pretty mediocore BW player TSL made him a top level terran SC2 player I think you severely underestimate the amount of time and effort coaching has in a player's performance Korean progame coaches arent like american high school football coaches where you just see them for a 2-3 hour daily practice. they live together and its much more of a father/son relationship than some americans seem to think.
If they wanted to treat him like an asset to the team that they made, they should have treated him like that from the start. You can't just hole your players in for a rebuilding stage, sending them nowhere and not expect good players to get offers for money when you give them nothing.
If you want to keep a player, make it worth their time to stay. It's pretty widely agreed that the BW model sucked, there is no point in defending players getting screwed over in SC2 for their work just because that is how it was in BW.
Additionally, this topic is full of "You have to respect their traditions", ect. Why don't they have to respect ours, though? Puma was on US soil, without a contract, and received an offer. Hell, if a player is going overseas to somewhere that the majority of foreign teams are, maybe you should send a team rep with you?
But then again, what good is a TSL rep good for other then saying no and keeping players unpayed for their work. Having your rep be the guy who makes money off you staying with the team is a terrible decision, and is exactly why EG had to handle this the way they did.
Grats to Puma for accepting, you deserve it.
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On July 23 2011 04:48 Hasire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:38 Condor Hero wrote:On July 23 2011 04:35 Usagi wrote:On July 23 2011 04:06 pStar wrote:
I feel so sorry for TSl, they basically found this guy and made him into a starcraft player. Whats even more annoying is the complete lack of respect that EG showed.
Also, that guy who was on Lo3 last night was an asshole, and did not even let Milkis put across his argument, this I feel was what EG did the whole time, with them not even approaching TSL ESTRO made this player, he was playing there already when Idra was. Puma would have been able to get into any korean team he wanted. Estro made him into a pretty mediocore BW player TSL made him a top level terran SC2 player I think you severely underestimate the amount of time and effort coaching has in a player's performance Korean progame coaches arent like american high school football coaches where you just see them for a 2-3 hour daily practice. they live together and its much more of a father/son relationship than some americans seem to think. If they wanted to treat him like an asset to the team that they made, they should have treated him like that from the start. You can't just hole your players in for a rebuilding stage, sending them nowhere and not expect good players to get offers for money when you give them nothing. If you want to keep a player, make it worth their time to stay. It's pretty widely agreed that the BW model sucked, there is no point in defending players getting screwed over in SC2 for their work just because that is how it was in BW. Additionally, this topic is full of "You have to respect their traditions", ect. Why don't they have to respect ours, though? Puma was on US soil, without a contract, and received an offer. Hell, if a player is going overseas to somewhere that the majority of foreign teams are, maybe you should send a team rep with you? But then again, what good is a TSL rep good for other then saying no and keeping players unpayed for their work. Having your rep be the guy who makes money off you staying with the team is a terrible decision, and is exactly why EG had to handle this the way they did. Grats to Puma for accepting, you deserve it.
nowhere in my post do i argue any of the shit you just responded to now.
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Thanks for the translation.
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On July 23 2011 04:51 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:48 Hasire wrote:On July 23 2011 04:38 Condor Hero wrote:On July 23 2011 04:35 Usagi wrote:On July 23 2011 04:06 pStar wrote:
I feel so sorry for TSl, they basically found this guy and made him into a starcraft player. Whats even more annoying is the complete lack of respect that EG showed.
Also, that guy who was on Lo3 last night was an asshole, and did not even let Milkis put across his argument, this I feel was what EG did the whole time, with them not even approaching TSL ESTRO made this player, he was playing there already when Idra was. Puma would have been able to get into any korean team he wanted. Estro made him into a pretty mediocore BW player TSL made him a top level terran SC2 player I think you severely underestimate the amount of time and effort coaching has in a player's performance Korean progame coaches arent like american high school football coaches where you just see them for a 2-3 hour daily practice. they live together and its much more of a father/son relationship than some americans seem to think. If they wanted to treat him like an asset to the team that they made, they should have treated him like that from the start. You can't just hole your players in for a rebuilding stage, sending them nowhere and not expect good players to get offers for money when you give them nothing. If you want to keep a player, make it worth their time to stay. It's pretty widely agreed that the BW model sucked, there is no point in defending players getting screwed over in SC2 for their work just because that is how it was in BW. Additionally, this topic is full of "You have to respect their traditions", ect. Why don't they have to respect ours, though? Puma was on US soil, without a contract, and received an offer. Hell, if a player is going overseas to somewhere that the majority of foreign teams are, maybe you should send a team rep with you? But then again, what good is a TSL rep good for other then saying no and keeping players unpayed for their work. Having your rep be the guy who makes money off you staying with the team is a terrible decision, and is exactly why EG had to handle this the way they did. Grats to Puma for accepting, you deserve it. nowhere in my post do i argue any of the shit you just responded to now.
You're trying to say they "made him" and put a lot of effort into molding him as a player.
First half of my post is responding to that.
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On July 22 2011 12:43 IcedBacon wrote:
The West != the East, that is all.
Life is not a song, sweetling.
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On July 23 2011 04:38 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:35 Usagi wrote:On July 23 2011 04:06 pStar wrote:
I feel so sorry for TSl, they basically found this guy and made him into a starcraft player. Whats even more annoying is the complete lack of respect that EG showed.
Also, that guy who was on Lo3 last night was an asshole, and did not even let Milkis put across his argument, this I feel was what EG did the whole time, with them not even approaching TSL ESTRO made this player, he was playing there already when Idra was. Puma would have been able to get into any korean team he wanted. Estro made him into a pretty mediocore BW player TSL made him a top level terran SC2 player I think you severely underestimate the amount of time and effort coaching has in a player's performance Korean progame coaches arent like american high school football coaches where you just see them for a 2-3 hour daily practice. they live together and its much more of a father/son relationship than some americans seem to think.
Except that being mediocre in BroodWar is a huge achievement.
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On July 23 2011 04:53 Hasire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:51 Condor Hero wrote:On July 23 2011 04:48 Hasire wrote:On July 23 2011 04:38 Condor Hero wrote:On July 23 2011 04:35 Usagi wrote:On July 23 2011 04:06 pStar wrote:
I feel so sorry for TSl, they basically found this guy and made him into a starcraft player. Whats even more annoying is the complete lack of respect that EG showed.
Also, that guy who was on Lo3 last night was an asshole, and did not even let Milkis put across his argument, this I feel was what EG did the whole time, with them not even approaching TSL ESTRO made this player, he was playing there already when Idra was. Puma would have been able to get into any korean team he wanted. Estro made him into a pretty mediocore BW player TSL made him a top level terran SC2 player I think you severely underestimate the amount of time and effort coaching has in a player's performance Korean progame coaches arent like american high school football coaches where you just see them for a 2-3 hour daily practice. they live together and its much more of a father/son relationship than some americans seem to think. If they wanted to treat him like an asset to the team that they made, they should have treated him like that from the start. You can't just hole your players in for a rebuilding stage, sending them nowhere and not expect good players to get offers for money when you give them nothing. If you want to keep a player, make it worth their time to stay. It's pretty widely agreed that the BW model sucked, there is no point in defending players getting screwed over in SC2 for their work just because that is how it was in BW. Additionally, this topic is full of "You have to respect their traditions", ect. Why don't they have to respect ours, though? Puma was on US soil, without a contract, and received an offer. Hell, if a player is going overseas to somewhere that the majority of foreign teams are, maybe you should send a team rep with you? But then again, what good is a TSL rep good for other then saying no and keeping players unpayed for their work. Having your rep be the guy who makes money off you staying with the team is a terrible decision, and is exactly why EG had to handle this the way they did. Grats to Puma for accepting, you deserve it. nowhere in my post do i argue any of the shit you just responded to now. You're trying to say they "made him" and put a lot of effort into molding him as a player. First half of my post is responding to that.
It was a joint effort of Puma's hard work and TSL coaching staff that made him the player he is today.
you didnt respond to anything i said.
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Everyone saying they're thinking less of EG now is kind of silly.
EG is its players, not just some corporate entity. By not supporting them, you're only hurting the players on it. And the players have done nothing wrong.
I for one don't give two shits about what goes on behind the scenes as long as the players are happy and performing well.
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On July 23 2011 04:55 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:53 Hasire wrote:On July 23 2011 04:51 Condor Hero wrote:On July 23 2011 04:48 Hasire wrote:On July 23 2011 04:38 Condor Hero wrote:On July 23 2011 04:35 Usagi wrote:On July 23 2011 04:06 pStar wrote:
I feel so sorry for TSl, they basically found this guy and made him into a starcraft player. Whats even more annoying is the complete lack of respect that EG showed.
Also, that guy who was on Lo3 last night was an asshole, and did not even let Milkis put across his argument, this I feel was what EG did the whole time, with them not even approaching TSL ESTRO made this player, he was playing there already when Idra was. Puma would have been able to get into any korean team he wanted. Estro made him into a pretty mediocore BW player TSL made him a top level terran SC2 player I think you severely underestimate the amount of time and effort coaching has in a player's performance Korean progame coaches arent like american high school football coaches where you just see them for a 2-3 hour daily practice. they live together and its much more of a father/son relationship than some americans seem to think. If they wanted to treat him like an asset to the team that they made, they should have treated him like that from the start. You can't just hole your players in for a rebuilding stage, sending them nowhere and not expect good players to get offers for money when you give them nothing. If you want to keep a player, make it worth their time to stay. It's pretty widely agreed that the BW model sucked, there is no point in defending players getting screwed over in SC2 for their work just because that is how it was in BW. Additionally, this topic is full of "You have to respect their traditions", ect. Why don't they have to respect ours, though? Puma was on US soil, without a contract, and received an offer. Hell, if a player is going overseas to somewhere that the majority of foreign teams are, maybe you should send a team rep with you? But then again, what good is a TSL rep good for other then saying no and keeping players unpayed for their work. Having your rep be the guy who makes money off you staying with the team is a terrible decision, and is exactly why EG had to handle this the way they did. Grats to Puma for accepting, you deserve it. nowhere in my post do i argue any of the shit you just responded to now. You're trying to say they "made him" and put a lot of effort into molding him as a player. First half of my post is responding to that. It was a joint effort of Puma's hard work and TSL coaching staff that made him the player he is today. you didnt respond to anything i said.
My post is responding to "they put the effort in, therefore they should keep him" attitude of your post. But you can pretend you didn't imply that all you want.
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If PuMa was placed in Code S, I believe he would not have taken the deal. From the Korean player’s perspective, getting into Code S is hard, and winning the GSL is even harder, thus the door of opportunity is very narrow. Experiencing the foreign Starcraft 2 scene, and seeing first-hand the impact it has on a global level probably made him think that his accomplishment in Korea is small compared to what he is capable of doing in the foreign scene
I find this a little bit funny how every Foreigner wants to get to Korea to compete in the GSL and now we have a Korean who wants to leave to pursue something greater. i wonder if other high end players feel the same way.
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On July 23 2011 04:57 Hasire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:55 Condor Hero wrote:On July 23 2011 04:53 Hasire wrote:On July 23 2011 04:51 Condor Hero wrote:On July 23 2011 04:48 Hasire wrote:On July 23 2011 04:38 Condor Hero wrote:On July 23 2011 04:35 Usagi wrote:On July 23 2011 04:06 pStar wrote:
I feel so sorry for TSl, they basically found this guy and made him into a starcraft player. Whats even more annoying is the complete lack of respect that EG showed.
Also, that guy who was on Lo3 last night was an asshole, and did not even let Milkis put across his argument, this I feel was what EG did the whole time, with them not even approaching TSL ESTRO made this player, he was playing there already when Idra was. Puma would have been able to get into any korean team he wanted. Estro made him into a pretty mediocore BW player TSL made him a top level terran SC2 player I think you severely underestimate the amount of time and effort coaching has in a player's performance Korean progame coaches arent like american high school football coaches where you just see them for a 2-3 hour daily practice. they live together and its much more of a father/son relationship than some americans seem to think. If they wanted to treat him like an asset to the team that they made, they should have treated him like that from the start. You can't just hole your players in for a rebuilding stage, sending them nowhere and not expect good players to get offers for money when you give them nothing. If you want to keep a player, make it worth their time to stay. It's pretty widely agreed that the BW model sucked, there is no point in defending players getting screwed over in SC2 for their work just because that is how it was in BW. Additionally, this topic is full of "You have to respect their traditions", ect. Why don't they have to respect ours, though? Puma was on US soil, without a contract, and received an offer. Hell, if a player is going overseas to somewhere that the majority of foreign teams are, maybe you should send a team rep with you? But then again, what good is a TSL rep good for other then saying no and keeping players unpayed for their work. Having your rep be the guy who makes money off you staying with the team is a terrible decision, and is exactly why EG had to handle this the way they did. Grats to Puma for accepting, you deserve it. nowhere in my post do i argue any of the shit you just responded to now. You're trying to say they "made him" and put a lot of effort into molding him as a player. First half of my post is responding to that. It was a joint effort of Puma's hard work and TSL coaching staff that made him the player he is today. you didnt respond to anything i said. My post is responding to "they put the effort in, therefore they should keep him" attitude of your post. But you can pretend you didn't imply that all you want.
Thats not my attitude at all.
Of course Puma can go wherever he wants but to pretend that hes this natural talent who didnt have any helping hands along the way is absurd.
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great read, thanks for the translation!
it's nice to hear their side of the story...
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On July 23 2011 04:38 Condor Hero wrote:
Estro made him into a pretty mediocore BW player
TSL made him a top level terran SC2 player
Mediocre BW pro = top level sc2 pro. You know who else were mediocre BW players? MC and Nestea. I'm sure Puma has improved while at TSL but saying they made him the player he is is ridiculous.
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