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Puma leaves TSL for EG - Page 52

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FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 07:23:19
July 21 2011 07:22 GMT
#1021
On July 21 2011 16:20 Corrosive wrote:
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On July 21 2011 16:16 FryktSkyene wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:14 MrSexington wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:11 Ezze wrote:
EG will solidify its reputation as a joke team.


I wasn't aware of this reputation.

Says who?


Everyone.


In your mind everyone = everyone

in reality everyone = you and a few other people upset about this.


Weird how this is about the Team EG in general and not this puma crap.


Snitches get stiches
thedz
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 07:22:51
July 21 2011 07:22 GMT
#1022
People feeling sorry for TSL need to think about the pattern for a bit. In the past month, FruitDealer, Tester, and Rain have all left TSL. And now Puma. This should say something about the satisfaction of the players in TSL more than anything else.

It appears there's something wonky inside TSL, and the players aren't happy because of it.
IceSlipper
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Australia1028 Posts
July 21 2011 07:22 GMT
#1023
On July 21 2011 16:21 EternaL_9 wrote:
LOL coach lee, u mad?

Jk, but how exactly would EG have approached you IF they wanted puma? "Uhh hey, we want your best player, sup"

No.

They shouldn't at all, unless his contract is expiring..
lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
July 21 2011 07:22 GMT
#1024
On July 21 2011 16:21 SwirlQ wrote:
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On July 21 2011 16:18 lunchforthesky wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:17 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:16 lunchforthesky wrote:
This is why we have KESPA. So people can't act this way.

And so progammers can get underpayed and overworked! YEA!


Feel free to continue ignoring all the good KESPA does and just focus on the bad.


There needs to be a mix between what we have now in SC2 and what KESPA did with BW.


Definitely. This current free for all is not good for Sc2 long term.
Vinski
Profile Joined November 2010
505 Posts
July 21 2011 07:22 GMT
#1025
On July 21 2011 16:19 HolyArrow wrote:
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On July 21 2011 16:18 Mohdoo wrote:
To people defending EG/Puma here:

How exactly are you thinking Puma is going to continue to grow at a rate that can keep up with other Koreans? Not a single person on EG is capable of providing Puma the type of practice he used to get where he is, and no longer being a part of a team house is going to destroy his practice habits. EG is either going to be recruiting other Koreans to form a practice house of their own, or they have no idea how the SC2 scene works right now.


This is what I'm wondering about too, actually. But no one seems to be responding to that concern...

From what I know the TSL practice regiment isn't like other teams in korea I'm pretty sure its actually very laid back. Also EG has a team house and they are all moving into it after Anaheim. So yeah. Also he can still play on the Korean server and I'm sure Puma has friends from korea who are top notch who will still play him.
"Sound is in a bad marriage, instead of divorcing her and keeping half your shit, he just committed suicide"
Bobble
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1493 Posts
July 21 2011 07:22 GMT
#1026
On July 21 2011 16:19 Lexxes wrote:
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On July 21 2011 16:16 Shinrae wrote:
EG are the badguy team that make the American SC2 scene so good.
Just look at them in their dark shirts, their anger, hate and bm so well known.
All they need to complete this is a leaked photo of scoots in some dark robes feasting on a newborn whilst screaming for his minions to bring him the head of TLO.

Then we have TL. They're like the 'good' human guys in the story.
Much power, but under an oppressive ruler who silences anyone who dares mention the rise of the dark team. They will continue to play as normal, acting as if all is well in world of esports until it is too late.
Not until Incontrol destroys Huk on their hometurf will they realise that war is upon them.

I don't really follow the team drama's enough to work out the rest. But somehow mousesports, sixjax and all the others will have to band together, making an alliance with the Korean teams to slay EG.
All with CombatEx following behind mumbling to himself.


yes, this sums up sc2 scene pretty much :-)
well done


he missed the part where FXO just walks in and buys everyone.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 21 2011 07:22 GMT
#1027
On July 21 2011 16:21 Fianchetto wrote:
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On July 21 2011 16:18 lunchforthesky wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:17 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:16 lunchforthesky wrote:
This is why we have KESPA. So people can't act this way.

And so progammers can get underpayed and overworked! YEA!


Feel free to continue ignoring all the good KESPA does and just focus on the bad.

Puma going to EG isn't bad the the player, its good for the player. He actually gets a salary now!


Puma got a salary before. TSL pays their players salaries.

EG is just going to pay him more.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Thewildfish
Profile Joined September 2010
United States113 Posts
July 21 2011 07:22 GMT
#1028
On July 21 2011 16:18 supdubdup wrote:
It's okay. They recruited gsl season 1 champion fruitdealer and recent r08 trickster right?


They left TSL for Startale...so no.
shtdisturbance
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada613 Posts
July 21 2011 07:23 GMT
#1029
As long as puma is happy I am happy. EG made a move, and puma liked it. We do not have enough info to say more than this? I like it so far, a lot of questions come to mind but they will be answered with time.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 07:23:49
July 21 2011 07:23 GMT
#1030
On July 21 2011 16:22 Ajnin wrote:
Team is doing poorly?
Bribe NASL winner korean terran with paycheck.
Hope to win.


+ Show Spoiler +
EG

Yes, usually if you need to upgrade talent you either develop it or sign developed players. It's called standard procedure for every sport popular enough to have pro players with decent salaries. If people want esports to grow they need to accept these things.
awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
July 21 2011 07:23 GMT
#1031
I was under the impression players like Puma were under contract and couldn't be signed by another team. Guess not. How is this going to work out though? Is Puma coming to the States or is EG starting up a house in Korea?

Gotta say, EG is being highly aggressive with recruiting. This is the second high profile player they've signed in the past couple of weeks. (Their fighting game division acquired Momichi, a Street Fighter legend) Is EG trying to become the NY Yankees of e-sports?

I'm a noob
MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
July 21 2011 07:23 GMT
#1032
On July 21 2011 16:18 Mohdoo wrote:
To people defending EG/Puma here:

How exactly are you thinking Puma is going to continue to grow at a rate that can keep up with other Koreans? Not a single person on EG is capable of providing Puma the type of practice he used to get where he is, and no longer being a part of a team house is going to destroy his practice habits. EG is either going to be recruiting other Koreans to form a practice house of their own, or they have no idea how the SC2 scene works right now.


I really don't see how this is true. I'm pretty sure idra has gone as far in the GSL as all of the remaining TSL players. Not to mention that I'm sure Puma's friends will still practice with him.
PHC
Profile Joined March 2011
United States472 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 07:23:48
July 21 2011 07:23 GMT
#1033
On July 21 2011 16:19 NDsOdapOp wrote:
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On July 21 2011 16:15 monx wrote:
EG is ruining Esports.

im sorry but thats hilarious..... would you care yo elaborate on how EG is "ruining" Esports, cause it seems to me as thought they are only making good business deals which people are blowing out of proportion and they are helping to merge the Korean and foreign communities.



Lol, really? To quote Milkis:

"Korean Netizens are quite outraged. Although one of them noted that "not surprising since it's Idra's team"
1 hour ago

"Also, I'm going to fully expect the Korean SC2 Association to do something about this and make some sort of solid FA policy."
56 minutes ago

"@hazelynutsc2 clear difference between american thought and korean thought and that americans are pretty disrespectful for thinking its okay"
52 minutes ago

"Korean Netizens also very disappointed in Puma. Not surprised. If you're surprised then you need to understand our culture a bit better"
35 minutes ago

"FYI: It's a sign of RESPECT more than anything to talk to the team before contacting the player. I'm sure TSL feels very disrespected"
33 minutes ago

Helping to merge the Korean and foreigner communities, my ass dude. This set it WAYYYYY back.
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
July 21 2011 07:23 GMT
#1034
On July 21 2011 16:22 Ajnin wrote:
Team is doing poorly?
Bribe NASL winner korean terran with paycheck.
Hope to win.


+ Show Spoiler +
EG

Bribe is quite the word isnt it, i think you could say that TSL bribed Puma to join their team in the first place.
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15579 Posts
July 21 2011 07:23 GMT
#1035
On July 21 2011 16:20 eggs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 16:18 Mohdoo wrote:
To people defending EG/Puma here:

How exactly are you thinking Puma is going to continue to grow at a rate that can keep up with other Koreans? Not a single person on EG is capable of providing Puma the type of practice he used to get where he is, and no longer being a part of a team house is going to destroy his practice habits. EG is either going to be recruiting other Koreans to form a practice house of their own, or they have no idea how the SC2 scene works right now.


im against EG, but IdrA is probably a stronger practice partner than FD is currently.
and who knows what other players EG is scouting. they could be picking up a Korean P and Z in the coming days.


Idra doesn't play nearly as much and doesn't have nearly the ethic that a Korean pro-house offers. And Idra is a single player. Part of what makes Korean pro-houses so amazing is how you have like 3 players of each race to practice with, with a coach organizing the whole thing.

Puma got to where he is by training 8+ hours every day with a strict training schedule and a lot of attention in helping him grow. EG can not come even close to that without recruiting at least another 3 or so Koreans to house with.

Its possible that EG's players have tried to convince the EG management that they can keep up with Puma and that Puma will help them grow as players and turn into Koreans. If that's the case, props to them for managing to trick EG.
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
July 21 2011 07:23 GMT
#1036
On July 21 2011 16:17 namste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 16:14 MrSexington wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:11 Ezze wrote:
EG will solidify its reputation as a joke team.


I wasn't aware of this reputation.

Says who?



EG only has one player that has been able to produce any sort of results whatsoever. If we start listing the best foreign teams EG comes maybe 7th or 8th. They really should get rid of the jobbers, likes of Lg and Machine who aren't able to win any tournaments at all or even reach any high placements.


IdrA is clearly the best player on the team, but now that iNcontroL is dedicating more time being a "player first," I'd like to see what he can do. He had some decent results.

In a world with dozens of pro teams, since when is 7th or 8th a joke? Let's put things in perspective, people.
thedz
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States217 Posts
July 21 2011 07:23 GMT
#1037
On July 21 2011 16:22 lunchforthesky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 16:21 SwirlQ wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:18 lunchforthesky wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:17 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:16 lunchforthesky wrote:
This is why we have KESPA. So people can't act this way.

And so progammers can get underpayed and overworked! YEA!


Feel free to continue ignoring all the good KESPA does and just focus on the bad.


There needs to be a mix between what we have now in SC2 and what KESPA did with BW.


Definitely. This current free for all is not good for Sc2 long term.


Many of the players may disagree with you about that.
BuddhaMonk
Profile Joined August 2010
781 Posts
July 21 2011 07:23 GMT
#1038
If you look at the history of player transfers in esports, EG is in the wrong here if they in fact went behind the back of any existing agreement between Puma and TSL. Yes, there may not be an international SC2 code or agreement existing, but if one looks at the existing precedents (western and korean), this move by EG should be condemned.

All of this of course, if the allegations as I understand them are true.
DooMDash
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1015 Posts
July 21 2011 07:23 GMT
#1039
Good for Puma, you have to do whats best for you.
S1 3500+ Master T. S2 1600+ Master T.
Gooey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States944 Posts
July 21 2011 07:23 GMT
#1040
On July 21 2011 16:18 Arcticc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 16:13 hmunkey wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:13 mdma-_- wrote:
how is this even controversial?
EG offered Puma a contract and he accepted
i dont rly see the problem :S

Some people don't understand the business world and want to pretend teams are like 3rd grade best friend circles.


Just because it's allowed in business does not make it respectable and an element that spectators want to see in e-sports.

For instance, a company doesn't have to recycle. They're saving money by not doing so, but it's respectable for them to do it.

Grabbing a player from a small business' team without any negotiation or forewarning is not something I personally see as a great thing for e-sports. E-sports is growing and it is possible for it to grow in the wrong direction with greed. It's the community's responsibility to keep "business" actions like these in check.


Don't tell that to football clubs in Europe! It is so rampant and common practice to steal away youth and talent from other farm systems with the lure of money from big clubs. Yet at the end of the day, people still tune in to watch the best of the best.
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