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CookieMaker
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada880 Posts
July 21 2011 07:20 GMT
#1001
On July 21 2011 16:16 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
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On July 21 2011 16:15 monx wrote:
EG is ruining Esports.

You sir, just made my head explode.


LOL @ best troll in this thread yet... or at least the funniest one :D

Some things need to come out in the open, namely the obligation (if any) that Puma had to TSL.
Micro your Macro
-KarakStarcraft-
Profile Joined September 2010
United States258 Posts
July 21 2011 07:20 GMT
#1002
On July 21 2011 16:15 Zlasher wrote:
IRL sports example. If the player isn't contractually binded to a team, a team that wants that player goes to the agent, not the former team. If the player in case (Puma) were contractually binded to TSL, EG would have gone to the team obviously, like they did with Demuslim and MYM. When EG got Idra, they went after a free agent and got him, they didn't go to CJ Entus to ask for him when Idra isn't on CJ anymore


Right. And even further, unlike American sports leagues, there is no overall governing body over both teams, no CBA and no established precedent. So it's even freer than that system.
D.Devil
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany227 Posts
July 21 2011 07:20 GMT
#1003
On July 21 2011 16:11 Ryukku wrote:
This just shows that esports is growing... soon players who join teams will have to sign a binding contract pretty much like soccer players to prevent this kind of shit from happening.

They do that since over 5 years now. At least in the Western world. And this is something Korean teams have to comply with, they can't just live in their own universe and then argue with bad ethics.
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Danyl
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada90 Posts
July 21 2011 07:21 GMT
#1004
Pretty shocking they'd go right for the player and basically buy him right out of TSL. Sucks for TSL but I guess this is EG saying they're not going anywhere
Taeja | ForGG | Jjakji
Warrice
Profile Joined July 2010
United States565 Posts
July 21 2011 07:21 GMT
#1005
the only thing that matters here is the fact that players should get the best possible salary for their skill level. if someone offers you more than what youre getting, and you dont feel attached to your team. you should take it. no other reason should be talked about. the team needs to keep their players via topping the offer. if they cant, then say goodbye to the player.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 21 2011 07:21 GMT
#1006
On July 21 2011 16:19 Serpico wrote:
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On July 21 2011 16:18 ReaperX wrote:

Some people don't understand the business world and want to pretend teams are like 3rd grade best friend circles.

You seem to be the one who doesn't get the business world...Puma was under a contract, EG contacted him and asked him to break contract, he did not discuss his potential move with his management at all until he told them basically that he was leaving.

Or do you think that people are allowed to break contracts in the business world? lol


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PlayXP says he wasn't under a contract


There have to be stipulations saying he can't talk to other teams without permission or something like that. You don't just sign something that says "contract" and then can't talk to another team.

And the post you're getting the playXP statemetn from specifically says RUMORS, from PlayXP POSTERS. It's like taking TL comments from a TL news article as truth, when we all know that it's far from that.
-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
July 21 2011 07:21 GMT
#1007
LOL coach lee, u mad?

Jk, but how exactly would EG have approached you IF they wanted puma? "Uhh hey, we want your best player, sup"

No.

User was temp banned for this post.
SwirlQ
Profile Joined February 2011
United States148 Posts
July 21 2011 07:21 GMT
#1008
On July 21 2011 16:18 lunchforthesky wrote:
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On July 21 2011 16:17 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:16 lunchforthesky wrote:
This is why we have KESPA. So people can't act this way.

And so progammers can get underpayed and overworked! YEA!


Feel free to continue ignoring all the good KESPA does and just focus on the bad.


There needs to be a mix between what we have now in SC2 and what KESPA did with BW.
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
July 21 2011 07:21 GMT
#1009
I dont understand why people are assuming they did not have a contract, from the look of things, they DID have a contract. They used a term specifically applicable to contracts (방출, release), things actually point more towards them having a contract right now.
Yew
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States940 Posts
July 21 2011 07:21 GMT
#1010
This is completely... weird. I did not expect this at all. I feel terrible for the coach of TSL, who basically has nobody left with real starpower now. Yes this is good for EG, bla bla bla but it's just sad. We'll probably see more and more of this too, which is the bad thing. Koreans have learned that the west is "easy" money, plus they get a ton of money to join the team.
Fianchetto
Profile Joined September 2010
United States157 Posts
July 21 2011 07:21 GMT
#1011
On July 21 2011 16:18 lunchforthesky wrote:
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On July 21 2011 16:17 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:16 lunchforthesky wrote:
This is why we have KESPA. So people can't act this way.

And so progammers can get underpayed and overworked! YEA!


Feel free to continue ignoring all the good KESPA does and just focus on the bad.

Puma going to EG isn't bad the the player, its good for the player. He actually gets a salary now!
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 07:23:09
July 21 2011 07:21 GMT
#1012
On July 21 2011 16:18 Mohdoo wrote:
To people defending EG/Puma here:

How exactly are you thinking Puma is going to continue to grow at a rate that can keep up with other Koreans? Not a single person on EG is capable of providing Puma the type of practice he used to get where he is, and no longer being a part of a team house is going to destroy his practice habits. EG is either going to be recruiting other Koreans to form a practice house of their own, or they have no idea how the SC2 scene works right now.


The skill-gap between foreigners and Koreans is not huge, and I'm sure that not all his practice partners are better than the players in EG. Plus, a lot of his practice partners are gone already considering Trickster, Rain and FruitDealer have left the Team already. I don't even know a TSL Z he can practice w/.
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 21 2011 07:21 GMT
#1013
On July 21 2011 16:20 Karak wrote:
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On July 21 2011 16:15 Zlasher wrote:
IRL sports example. If the player isn't contractually binded to a team, a team that wants that player goes to the agent, not the former team. If the player in case (Puma) were contractually binded to TSL, EG would have gone to the team obviously, like they did with Demuslim and MYM. When EG got Idra, they went after a free agent and got him, they didn't go to CJ Entus to ask for him when Idra isn't on CJ anymore


Right. And even further, unlike American sports leagues, there is no overall governing body over both teams, no CBA and no established precedent. So it's even freer than that system.

Dude Stfu if you don't know what you're talking about. TSL is under the Korean Sc2 association, a governing body that you speak of.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 21 2011 07:21 GMT
#1014
On July 21 2011 16:19 NDsOdapOp wrote:
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On July 21 2011 16:15 monx wrote:
EG is ruining Esports.

im sorry but thats hilarious..... would you care yo elaborate on how EG is "ruining" Esports, cause it seems to me as thought they are only making good business deals which people are blowing out of proportion and they are helping to merge the Korean and foreign communities.


You seriously think this helps the Korean and foreign communities?

FXO and fOu coming together, being friends, and joining? That is helping the community.

EG "allegedly" poaching an ace from a Korean team that was sent to a foreign tournament and making the coach from the Korean team calling the movie disgusting is just going to hurt the merging of the communities.

This could make the lesser Korean teams from sending their bigger named players in fear of richer foreigner teams poaching their players.
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Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
July 21 2011 07:22 GMT
#1015
TSL can't catch a break and in the middle of the Team league which they stand a chance of winning =/.
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
Midgetman101
Profile Joined February 2011
United States825 Posts
July 21 2011 07:22 GMT
#1016
On July 21 2011 15:45 Starfox wrote:
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On July 21 2011 15:00 Milkis wrote:Manager Lee decided to respect the player's wishes in the end. He noted that "It's really disturbing. It feels like the player I raised was just stolen away from me.", adding that "There needs to be a system to stop foreign teams from stealing Korean players like this"

If no contract was broken by this agreement between Puma and EG that Lee guy should perhaps do something like: shut the fuck up?
There is a system he 'needs', it's called: contracts

LOL no respect for Coach Lee. You must be new to starcraft...
~Terran For Life~
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
July 21 2011 07:22 GMT
#1017
On July 21 2011 16:21 Warrice wrote:
the only thing that matters here is the fact that players should get the best possible salary for their skill level. if someone offers you more than what youre getting, and you dont feel attached to your team. you should take it. no other reason should be talked about. the team needs to keep their players via topping the offer. if they cant, then say goodbye to the player.


This is a really stupid attitude that covers only the short term, if a player such as Puma does this and the Koreans react by all refusing to practice with him he's got a good salary but will get most likely left behind in the long run. People shouldn't be so eager to potentially burn bridges just for a short term money fix.
Ajnin
Profile Joined August 2010
81 Posts
July 21 2011 07:22 GMT
#1018
Team is doing poorly?
Bribe NASL winner korean terran with paycheck.
Hope to win.


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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
July 21 2011 07:22 GMT
#1019
On July 21 2011 16:20 Karak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 16:15 Zlasher wrote:
IRL sports example. If the player isn't contractually binded to a team, a team that wants that player goes to the agent, not the former team. If the player in case (Puma) were contractually binded to TSL, EG would have gone to the team obviously, like they did with Demuslim and MYM. When EG got Idra, they went after a free agent and got him, they didn't go to CJ Entus to ask for him when Idra isn't on CJ anymore


Right. And even further, unlike American sports leagues, there is no overall governing body over both teams, no CBA and no established precedent. So it's even freer than that system.


Good to know we agree on this one Karak haha
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
July 21 2011 07:22 GMT
#1020
On July 21 2011 16:19 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 16:18 ReaperX wrote:

Some people don't understand the business world and want to pretend teams are like 3rd grade best friend circles.

You seem to be the one who doesn't get the business world...Puma was under a contract, EG contacted him and asked him to break contract, he did not discuss his potential move with his management at all until he told them basically that he was leaving.

Or do you think that people are allowed to break contracts in the business world? lol


Show nested quote +
PlayXP says he wasn't under a contract


There have to be stipulations saying he can't talk to other teams without permission or something like that. You don't just sign something that says "contract" and then can't talk to another team.

There doesn't have to be stipulations. There may not have been anything about talking to other teams. No one knows. Clearly the contract, if there was one, between TSL and Puma wasn't that great. If they just released him from it, it would seem like they realized their "contract" was pretty much worthless.
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