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On July 19 2011 17:40 DigitalisDestructi wrote:
Multiple suicides are stemmed from being bullied, and there are cases where kids hanged themselves because "their skins aren't thick enough on the internet." Different nurture = different mentality.
It is thoughts like this that lead to others infringing on the rights of people everywhere. Denying someone freedom of speech is something I'll never tolerate. I am sure to avoid associating with anyone in favor of denying someone the right to say what they want.
Insulting someone should not be punishable in any legal system. It isn't the place of a court to determine what sounds you make with your own mouth.
I've seen people start crying and threaten to kill themselves over someone telling them they are not attractive. Simply: "you're not attractive." If the person kills themselves, should the person who insulted them be held responsible? Because these insults are considered "more offensive", they should be punishable? You can't make laws based on the sensitivity of people. These things are subjective. What offends one person may not offend another. Creating laws based on something immeasurable and subjective is unfair to everyone.
What offends you likely doesn't offend me.
It has nothing to do with the Internet. It has to do with people. Law should not punish free speech.
I find the guy irritating at times, but this sums it up well:
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On July 19 2011 17:53 ThePurist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 17:52 MonkSEA wrote:
I wish the rest of the world had a cyber police organizational type of thing to deter keyboard warriors who talk shit just because they cannot get in trouble for it. Then what shall I do !? T_T
I had a response typed out, but I'm too soft for jail.
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While I applaud her for her efforts in trying to clean up the internet, I think she needs to pick and choose who she goes after a little bit more selectively. For criticizing the move to add a female player to the team, who is gold no less, is their right and I think taking them to the police will just hinder her efforts to bring justice to those who actually did wrong.
To break the gender barrier in eSports I think fighting your way through the trolls and haters is something that can't be avoided. Picking and choosing your battles needs to be done carefully.
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On July 19 2011 17:54 RANDOMCL wrote:
Insulting someone should not be punishable in any legal system. It isn't the place of a court to determine what sounds you make with your own mouth.
Defamation/slander shouldn't be punishable? Wat the shit.
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I honestly think the police there is going to be facepalming as hard as the rest of us here, seriously, someone criticizing her English? I mean, I can understand involving the police if death threats are being posted, but that's about it. Anything else is just really overreacting imo.
Defamation/slander shouldn't be punishable? Wat the shit.
That depends, it's way to broad to say "yes/no" to that question. But if you think people should be taken to the police whenever they say anything insulting you're retarded.
OH NO THE COPS I INSULTED SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET
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One thing people forgot that there is a fine line between "harrassment" and "trolling". That image, in asian culture or any culture in the world, is very offensive and unacceptable, those shit will not be toleranced for these kind of behaviour.
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While I think that taking them to the police may be overreacting, I can understand why she would be very upset. It is very understandable that the comments and pictures would be hurtful/rude/offensive, but i'm not sure that this is the appropriate reaction.
When Jackie Robinson (the first african-american pro baseball player) came in to the major leagues, he was subjected to horrible name calling, insults and even people beating him... He dealt with it because at the time there was nothing he could do. Unfortunately women in esports are going through something similar right now.
It is disgusting, it is gross, but it is also to be expected... there will always be immature people on the internet hiding behind anonymity. Being the first _________ of anything is always going to have its challenges, and both Slayers_Eve and Slayers_Jessica probably could have assumed that this sort of thing would happen.
This community has not been very nice to some females in esports either, so lets not be the first to throw stones.
my opinion tldr:
is she wrong for taking them to the police? no
is she overreacting? somewhat
is her reaction completely understandable and justified? 100%
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A number of thoughts come to mind. Remember how Jessica said to MMA "win the MLG or don't come back". Even though MMA was in a slump, that was a very harsh and imo, cruel thing to say to MMA. Yes he won, but still.
Along with the whole "if someone is a coward, I'll go kill him myself" thing about Jessica. Sure it's just within some game, but it speaks a great deal as to how unforgiving she is. And now we're seeing this situation where she's well - doing what she thinks is necessary to thwart a perceived evil.
IMO(JUST MY OPINION) - I too am in the camp that it's an enormous overreaction and I also am concerned as to how her state of mind would affect the Slayers camp. Would her ruthless, slit-your-throat attitude take over? She's a very attractive girl, but my opinion is, behind that is a killer, almost extremist type of person.
Taking a 16 girl to the police? What's to say that this wouldn't ignite more and more moths to the flame? Have even I - said too much? How about the rest of us? This can go on and on, but suffice to say, you can't literally take everyone to the cops.
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To us it seems crazy vindictive, but it could be a culture thing. In any case, if this is bad for her PR with foreigners she should be notified.
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On July 19 2011 17:58 Novalisk wrote:
To us it seems crazy vindictive, but it could be a culture thing. In any case, if this is bad for her PR with foreigners she should be notified.
Naw man she is pretty emo with it lol I don't think she can deal with the trolls/flamers/random comments of the internet
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On July 19 2011 17:54 RANDOMCL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 17:40 DigitalisDestructi wrote:
Multiple suicides are stemmed from being bullied, and there are cases where kids hanged themselves because "their skins aren't thick enough on the internet." Different nurture = different mentality.
It is thoughts like this that lead to others infringing on the rights of people everywhere. Denying someone freedom of speech is something I'll never tolerate. I am sure to avoid associating with anyone in favor of denying someone the right to say what they want. Insulting someone should not be punishable in any legal system. It isn't the place of a court to determine what sounds you make with your own mouth. I've seen people start crying and threaten to kill themselves over someone telling them they are not attractive. Simply: "you're not attractive." If the person kills themselves, should the person who insulted them be held responsible? Because these insults are considered "more offensive", they should be punishable? You can't make laws based on the sensitivity of people. These things are subjective. What offends one person may not offend another. Creating laws based on something immeasurable and subjective is unfair to everyone. What offends you likely doesn't offend me. It has nothing to do with the Internet. It has to do with people. Law should not punish free speech. + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwoqzb5R6vw& I find the guy irritating at times, but that sums it up well.
Which is why I put the 'different nurture = different mentality' at the end. Not everyone is a clone of each other. Do you think freedom of speech is measurable? Can we say whatever we want no matter the conditions? Can we quantify personal rights? Maybe we should just go back to the ancient age without laws and rules.
EDIT: Put in the spoiler tag. 
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On July 19 2011 17:43 SxEdge wrote:
lol I can see it now
"What you in for?"
"trollin' ....."
Omg, that made my day, hilarious.
On topic now, I think she's overreacting, I mean, what you gonna do, haters gonna hate.
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On July 19 2011 17:56 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:
I honestly think the police there is going to be facepalming as hard as the rest of us here, seriously, someone criticizing her English? I mean, I can understand involving the police if death threats are being posted, but that's about it. Anything else is just really overreacting imo.
Really? You think? Did you not see the photoshopped pic?
A lot of korean (majority of the asian countries even) is still extremely conservative, they are not lady gaga which can wear some bacon suits or be naked in public.
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On July 19 2011 17:58 Orf wrote:
When Jackie Robinson (the first african-american pro baseball player) came in to the major leagues, he was subjected to horrible name calling, insults and even people beating him... He dealt with it because at the time there was nothing he could do. Unfortunately women in esports are going through something similar right now.
no.... just no....
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On July 19 2011 18:00 zeru wrote:
Not like i have any idea how it is in korea, but if she tried that in sweden i'd say she's batshit crazy. I really hope she knows what she's doing... because it doesn't look like it.
I know how its like here. Respect is taken very very seriously.
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On July 19 2011 18:01 HydraLF wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 17:56 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:
I honestly think the police there is going to be facepalming as hard as the rest of us here, seriously, someone criticizing her English? I mean, I can understand involving the police if death threats are being posted, but that's about it. Anything else is just really overreacting imo. Really? You think? Did you not see the photoshopped pic? A lot of korean is still extremely conservative, they are not lady gaga which can wear some bacon suits in public.
Fuck I wanna wear bacon suit lol sounds pretty pro
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WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!! shes only in gold league? i figured it was a cute girl but that had something to provided the team not just a face/body...... The person in twitter is entitled to their opinion unless it affect that person Meaning threats (that force bodyguards ect)
This alone shows me that they require a real manager or adviser that can be responsible over everything not just the house and players. because Like any other job where you are managing people and sponsorship one needs to see the entity as a whole an bring someone in that doesn't meet the qualification shouldnt be there unless shes there for a certain role other than the female role...
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Really? You think? Did you not see the photoshopped pic?
So because 1 person does something that's actually offensive you should immediately take everyone that says anything that might be slightly bad about you to the police? Nice.
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Lol people need to just chill the fuck out and not care about insignificant things 12yos do on dodgy interwebs sites.
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