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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
*People think American laws apply to every country in the world. *People think that its OK for someone to photoshop someone into pornographic image, but apparently punishing them by taking them to court is wrong. This isn't the first time this has happened... even in esports, there was a big shitstorm about KT Rolster suing a forum troll... All in all, this thread seems to be full of overreactions to an overreaction. | ||
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Xiphiass
Latvia144 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:22 HelloAnnyong wrote: Photoshopping someone's head onto porn isn't sexual harassment..? What IS, then? From Wikipedia: Sexual harassment, is intimidation, bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors. Glad I could help! Ask me if you have problems with any other words, too. | ||
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HelloAnnyong
Canada13 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:26 Xiphiass wrote: From Wikipedia: Sexual harassment, is intimidation, bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors. Glad I could help! Ask me if you have problems with any other words, too. I guess we'll have to agree to... agree. | ||
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Adila
United States874 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:23 kzn wrote: Uh, telling an employee to have sex with you or else they're fired. So if I took a picture of an employee, photoshopped it to a pornographic picture, and then pinned it to a board or something in the office, then it is not sexual harassment? That said, I wouldn't know how you would enforce it on the internet. | ||
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PHC
United States472 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:11 DexVitality wrote: I honestly think SlayerS_Jessica might have to accept the reality that is the internet, there are always going to be haters because the internet will provide the anonymity which allows for people to easy say hurtful things without being worried about being caught and identified. I think that perhaps Jessica took to heart too deeply the stupid comments people made. There are certain people on the internet that you just have to ignore, some people just are not worth the attention and respect you know? I can see why she is mad though, but I think there will always be some of these flamers, I do not think you can stop it, everyone is entitled to their own opinion at the end of the, whether or not you choose to take it to heart or ignore it is up to you. That's not how it works in Korea. Korea's internet and especially their netizens are infamous for their potential in doing a ton of harm. The number of celebrity suicides in Korea is no joke either. I think cybercrime in Korea is taken much more seriously because of that. Think about it - it is the most wired country in the entire world. Netizens there are like detectives - they dig shit up, and WILL defame you and make it to the national news humiliating you and your family in front of the entire country. I can think of at least a few actors/actresses/singers to have committed suicide in the past few years, not to mention the number of scandals caused by internet trolls. Examples: Tablo. Jay Park from kpop group 2PM These two example were just in the past year alone. I can look up celebrity suicides caused by Korean netizens too if you guys want... TL;DR: So yeah, Korean netizens are no joke. You guys are seriously ignorant if you think they are trolling "for the lulz". People die over shit like this. People also get scarred for life as well. I like what Jessica's doing in that she reports it before any more harm can be done, especially to EVE. The bigger question is should she be more selective in who's she taking to the police? Or is it better to not be selective and have police sort it out themselves? | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50585 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:13 GreatGodImp wrote: What does it matter to us that people are photoshopping Eve's face on porn actresses? What does it matter to us that children are starving to death in Africa? Some people just have opinions on stuff that's happening around the world and like to express them on forums. not really what I meant,but whatever. like I said in the first page.Things like this has been happening in korea for a very long time,does it need to change,maybe. but it seems that we are overreacting as much as we claim Jessica is reacting,and I think we should really rethink about our thoughts about this matter. HOLY SHIT! Thank you for reminding me about the Tablo incident.people should really read that one. | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:27 HelloAnnyong wrote: I guess we'll have to agree to... agree. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intimidation Intimidation (also called cowing) is intentional behavior "which would cause a person of ordinary sensibilities" fear of injury or harm. So, thats out immediately. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying Bullying is abusive treatment, the use of force or coercion to affect others,[2] particularly when habitual and involving an imbalance of power. Thats pretty much out too, especially since a proper reading of that means that bully requires intent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercion Coercion is the practice of using threats, rewards, intimidation, or any other incentive to affect another. Aaand thats out too. So much for that. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:27 Adila wrote: So if I took a picture of an employee, photoshopped it to a pornographic picture, and then pinned it to a board or something in the office, then it is not sexual harassment? That said, I wouldn't know how you would enforce it on the internet. Well there you're getting a bit off the analogy because taking a picture without consent is a bit different from grabbing a picture which is released to the public. | ||
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Xiphiass
Latvia144 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:27 HelloAnnyong wrote: I guess we'll have to agree to... agree. Intimidation: Intimidation (also called cowing) is intentional behavior "which would cause a person of ordinary sensibilities" fear of injury or harm. Bullying: Bullying is abusive treatment, the use of force or coercion to affect others, particularly when habitual and involving an imbalance of power. Coercion: Coercion is the practice of using threats, rewards, intimidation, or any other incentive to affect another. Which one of these was it, then? Spoiler alert: this is far from sexual harassment. Comparing this to doing something in real life and such is simply an awful comparison. We're still talking about someone getting angry over something she saw on the internet (made by complete strangers), just to remind you. | ||
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PHC
United States472 Posts
I wish I was kidding. | ||
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ensign_lee
United States1178 Posts
Trolls exist on the internet. Don't feed them and they go away. It's as simple as that. But Jessica not only failed at not feeding them, she *actively seeked them out*, just to send them to the police. That is definitely overreacting. | ||
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tehplank
977 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:33 PHC wrote: I think you guys are looking at it through the wrong lens. Internet crime/bullying in Korea is much more serious than any other part of the world. I wish I was kidding. This. Just because you're cool with someone posting a pic of your face shopped to Peter North's body online, it doesn't mean that it's cool for a Korean. I don't see why people can't understand that it's different in Korea. | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:18 Xiphiass wrote: This isn't sexual harassment. What happened to her was a nuisance. Something that you shrug off if you want to be famous and known. I mean, seriously. I knew the inevitable "this is hurting ESPORTS" was coming, but this is too much. somebody mention this already if you walk up to a girl and tell her that you want to F*** her up, then the police will definitely want to have a word with you why should it be different if you do it from behind your keyboard ? | ||
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gold_
Canada312 Posts
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PHC
United States472 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50585 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:37 tehplank wrote: This. Just because you're cool with someone online posting a pic of your face shopped to Peter North's body, it doesn't mean it's cool for a Korean. I don't see why people can't understand that it's different in Korea. probably because the internet broke a lot of barriers in communication around the world,but it didn't break all of them and a lot of people don't understand that. | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:37 tehplank wrote: This. Just because you're cool with someone online posting a pic of your face shopped to Peter North's body, it doesn't mean it's cool for a Korean. I don't see why people can't understand that it's different in Korea. Because thats ridiculous. It doesn't matter whether its cool or not for the majority of Koreans (since I guarantee you I can find at least one Korean to whom it would be cool). If it matters what the "target audience" feels about the incident, then nothing stops you from prosecuting everything on the basis of the target audience down to the very individual targeted, which is completely ludicrous. | ||
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GreatGodImp
United States10 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:33 PHC wrote: I think you guys are looking at it through the wrong lens. Internet crime/bullying in Korea is much more serious than any other part of the world. I wish I was kidding. Because people take it too seriously. Which is what most people are arguing in this thread. Jessica's reaction might be normal by Korean standards (in which case I'm glad I don't live there) but to me, it's just batshit insane. Though taking things so seriously is probably why they're so damn good at Starcraft, heh. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:38 sandyph wrote: somebody mention this already if you walk up to a girl and tell her that you want to F*** her up, then the police will definitely want to have a word with you why should it be different if you do it from behind your keyboard ? Because you may very well live 2000 miles away from her and pose little threat, while if you say it to her face, you're right there and can drop your pants on the spot. If there is reason to believe that someone has the means and motive to fullfil their threat, then that's very different. Additionally, getting in trouble for a threat online is fine in my opinion, but looking at that stack of papers, it sounds like she's just lumping everyone who said anything negative together and saying, "Fuck em all". | ||
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