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kzn
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1218 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-19 15:58:14
July 19 2011 15:58 GMT
#741
On July 20 2011 00:54 PHC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 00:44 PrimeTimey wrote:
O MY GOD HE MADE FUN OF ME.. NOOOOOO



I might go kill myself


That article is tragic mostly because it notes that the police latch onto precisely the wrong issue.
Like a G6
PrimeTimey
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada369 Posts
July 19 2011 15:59 GMT
#742
On July 20 2011 00:54 PHC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 00:44 PrimeTimey wrote:
O MY GOD HE MADE FUN OF ME.. NOOOOOO



I might go kill myself


She had low self esteem? What can we do about it create laws where people can't have freedom of speech on the internet? lol get real
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
July 19 2011 16:00 GMT
#743
Korean law is Korea's business, if she's entitled to do this type of thing then what can you say? I'm glad things don't work like that here. At the same time I also understand how frustrated this whole episode must have made her
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
July 19 2011 16:01 GMT
#744
Clearly someone who took Djwheats "one troll at a time campaign" to the next level.

It isn't so much 1 troll at a time, as carpet bombing.
branflakes14
Profile Joined July 2010
2082 Posts
July 19 2011 16:01 GMT
#745
On July 20 2011 00:57 PrimeTimey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 00:54 sandyph wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:41 Mordiford wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:38 sandyph wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:18 Xiphiass wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:11 HelloAnnyong wrote:
Yikes. The number of people who think it should be legal to repeatedly and publicly sexually harass someone is more than a little frightening. This kind of garbage is pretty much the entire reason e-sports has the reputation it has, and the reaction of about half the people in this thread (maybe more) is only making it worse.

This isn't sexual harassment. What happened to her was a nuisance. Something that you shrug off if you want to be famous and known.

I mean, seriously. I knew the inevitable "this is hurting ESPORTS" was coming, but this is too much.


somebody mention this already

if you walk up to a girl and tell her that you want to F*** her up, then the police will definitely want to have a word with you

why should it be different if you do it from behind your keyboard ?


Because you may very well live 2000 miles away from her and pose little threat, while if you say it to her face, you're right there and can drop your pants on the spot. If there is reason to believe that someone has the means and motive to fullfil their threat, then that's very different. Additionally, getting in trouble for a threat online is fine in my opinion, but looking at that stack of papers, it sounds like she's just lumping everyone who said anything negative together and saying, "Fuck em all".


ok, if some guy 2000 miles away phone a girl and tell her he want to F*** her up then you bet police will trace the phone call and find the perv

just because its in the internet doesnt make it ok


Not sure how it is in Singapore but I am pretty sure most people would hang up the phone and start laughing. Why are people so afraid of everything in society today? Better yet, if you got a call from 2000 miles away.. my god lighten up people. Its the internet.. if you can't handle criticism, negative talk, or people hating on you, then don't go in the lime-light. Once you are in the lime-light you accept that you are the center of attention and people will say negative things towards you. Look at celebrities for example.. they accept the fact and understand its part of the industry. Tabloids, etc.


I'd keep them on the line as long as possible. Rack up that bill!
Xiphiass
Profile Joined July 2010
Latvia144 Posts
July 19 2011 16:01 GMT
#746
On July 20 2011 00:56 DarkDolphin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 00:54 Tatari wrote:
Good god... way to take the troll bait. Not only that, she went in guns blazing to use tweets as harassment evidence. She's treating this too much like a black-or-white argument, either people are for her decision or against it.

Or does she not know what trolls are? ._.

Trolls need to be punish, ignoring is not enough.

Because trolling is illegal.







Yyyyep.
Is that you, John Wayne? Is this me?
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
July 19 2011 16:01 GMT
#747
Concerning the AV photoshop - not overreacted.
Concerning the Haeun_Cielu case - overreacted.
So - 50/50?

Also looking at that 16year old girl incident - imho KKY lost it. Also considering she herself stated that she's insecure in English (and lets oniontaker translate for her) - which is totally fine. She's lashing out to anyone - even making a fool of herself.

I also dont know if she's really helping Eve. Because of KKY's reaction more and more people know of these pics. I have the feeling it's more about her injured pride and about herself - not about Eve.
Why not just say "We will report offenders to the police" and then do it? No need for all the "I REPORT YOUU!!!!!" "AND YOUUU!!!!" stuff. Or releasing pictures of the paper stacks and releasing names (not sure about this - but why else would Haeun_Cielu now about it?)

Maybe she should let someone else, who's not that emotionally involved, handle the whole situation.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
July 19 2011 16:01 GMT
#748
On July 20 2011 01:01 Asymmetric wrote:
Clearly someone who took Djwheats "one troll at a time campaign" to the next level.

It isn't so much 1 troll at a time, as carpet bombing.


And apparently it isn't so much so trolls as "anyone who says anything that isn't positive".
Wrongspeedy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1655 Posts
July 19 2011 16:02 GMT
#749
On July 20 2011 00:46 kzn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 00:45 Wrongspeedy wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:26 Xiphiass wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:22 HelloAnnyong wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:18 Xiphiass wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:11 HelloAnnyong wrote:
Yikes. The number of people who think it should be legal to repeatedly and publicly sexually harass someone is more than a little frightening. This kind of garbage is pretty much the entire reason e-sports has the reputation it has, and the reaction of about half the people in this thread (maybe more) is only making it worse.

This isn't sexual harassment. What happened to her was a nuisance. Something that you shrug off if you want to be famous and known.

I mean, seriously. I knew the inevitable "this is hurting ESPORTS" was coming, but this is too much.


Photoshopping someone's head onto porn isn't sexual harassment..? What IS, then?

From Wikipedia:
Sexual harassment, is intimidation, bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors.

Glad I could help! Ask me if you have problems with any other words, too.


Isn't that exactly what is happening? If someone photo shopped my face onto a gay porn star, I would consider that person bullying me in a sexual nature.


Uh, seriously? Even if they just posted it to some random image board? Even if they had no idea who the hell you were and just used your face from a stock photo?

Its never that simple.


Thanks for the "What If's" to my "What If". Some of you guys are acting like you have to pull your dick out and slap someone across the face with it for it to be sexual harassment. Seriously how can you not understand, they bullied her online using pictures of sexual intercourse (which she was actually not apart of *SHOOCK*). I'm not going to define what bullying is, but if you don't think that photo shopping can be a form of harassment or bullying..... *facepalm*

Seriously, some teenage girl just committed suicide because kids wouldn't stop texting her and leaving comments on her FaceBook. And she was not famous.
It is better to be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.- John Stuart Mill
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
July 19 2011 16:04 GMT
#750
On July 20 2011 00:41 GreatGodImp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 00:33 PHC wrote:
I think you guys are looking at it through the wrong lens. Internet crime/bullying in Korea is much more serious than any other part of the world.


I wish I was kidding.

Because people take it too seriously. Which is what most people are arguing in this thread.
Jessica's reaction might be normal by Korean standards (in which case I'm glad I don't live there) but to me, it's just batshit insane.


Yes, a place where people are taught to respect others and spewing disgusting garbage online isn't accepted as the norm. I sure would HATE to live there. Sounds just awful.
PrimeTimey
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada369 Posts
July 19 2011 16:04 GMT
#751
On July 20 2011 01:02 Wrongspeedy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 00:46 kzn wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:45 Wrongspeedy wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:26 Xiphiass wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:22 HelloAnnyong wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:18 Xiphiass wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:11 HelloAnnyong wrote:
Yikes. The number of people who think it should be legal to repeatedly and publicly sexually harass someone is more than a little frightening. This kind of garbage is pretty much the entire reason e-sports has the reputation it has, and the reaction of about half the people in this thread (maybe more) is only making it worse.

This isn't sexual harassment. What happened to her was a nuisance. Something that you shrug off if you want to be famous and known.

I mean, seriously. I knew the inevitable "this is hurting ESPORTS" was coming, but this is too much.


Photoshopping someone's head onto porn isn't sexual harassment..? What IS, then?

From Wikipedia:
Sexual harassment, is intimidation, bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors.

Glad I could help! Ask me if you have problems with any other words, too.


Isn't that exactly what is happening? If someone photo shopped my face onto a gay porn star, I would consider that person bullying me in a sexual nature.


Uh, seriously? Even if they just posted it to some random image board? Even if they had no idea who the hell you were and just used your face from a stock photo?

Its never that simple.


Thanks for the "What If's" to my "What If". Some of you guys are acting like you have to pull your dick out and slap someone across the face with it for it to be sexual harassment. Seriously how can you not understand, they bullied her online using pictures of sexual intercourse (which she was actually not apart of *SHOOCK*). I'm not going to define what bullying is, but if you don't think that photo shopping can be a form of harassment or bullying..... *facepalm*

Seriously, some teenage girl just committed suicide because kids wouldn't stop texting her and leaving comments on her FaceBook. And she was not famous.


She was too dumb to get a new number or turn off her phone? Was she too dumb to make a new Facebook and make it private only to her accepted friends? Why do people always result to suicide when there are other ways to get help.
kzn
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1218 Posts
July 19 2011 16:04 GMT
#752
On July 20 2011 01:02 Wrongspeedy wrote:
Thanks for the "What If's" to my "What If". Some of you guys are acting like you have to pull your dick out and slap someone across the face with it for it to be sexual harassment. Seriously how can you not understand, they bullied her online using pictures of sexual intercourse (which she was actually not apart of *SHOOCK*). I'm not going to define what bullying is, but if you don't think that photo shopping can be a form of harassment or bullying..... *facepalm*

Seriously, some teenage girl just committed suicide because kids wouldn't stop texting her and leaving comments on her FaceBook. And she was not famous.


Of course pshopping can be part of bullying or harassment, but not if its posted to an imageboard that isn't visited by the "target".

In all fairness as long as the poster doesn't know that the "target" visits the board there's no way it can be bullying or harassment, unless they incite others to post it to sites where the "target" does visit.

The act of creation cannot in itself ever be part of bullying or harassment.
Like a G6
PHC
Profile Joined March 2011
United States472 Posts
July 19 2011 16:04 GMT
#753
On July 20 2011 00:55 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 00:51 PHC wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:41 Mordiford wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:38 sandyph wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:18 Xiphiass wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:11 HelloAnnyong wrote:
Yikes. The number of people who think it should be legal to repeatedly and publicly sexually harass someone is more than a little frightening. This kind of garbage is pretty much the entire reason e-sports has the reputation it has, and the reaction of about half the people in this thread (maybe more) is only making it worse.

This isn't sexual harassment. What happened to her was a nuisance. Something that you shrug off if you want to be famous and known.

I mean, seriously. I knew the inevitable "this is hurting ESPORTS" was coming, but this is too much.


somebody mention this already

if you walk up to a girl and tell her that you want to F*** her up, then the police will definitely want to have a word with you

why should it be different if you do it from behind your keyboard ?


Because you may very well live 2000 miles away from her and pose little threat, while if you say it to her face, you're right there and can drop your pants on the spot. If there is reason to believe that someone has the means and motive to fullfil their threat, then that's very different. Additionally, getting in trouble for a threat online is fine in my opinion, but looking at that stack of papers, it sounds like she's just lumping everyone who said anything negative together and saying, "Fuck em all".



You may think that 2000 miles away might pose little threat. You are very mistaken. A netizen living in Chicago (and he's 57 years old too) decides to start a group to hate on the lead rapper/singer from Epik High. He eventually forms a hate group on a portal site with 125,000 members accusing the singer of being a fraud. It became national news, Interpol had to be called. You are kidding yourself if you underestimate internet hate in Korea.



No, I think my statement is still perfectly fine, notice how I said if there is reason to believe there is motive to fullfil a threat, then taking action and getting them in trouble is fine? But yes, if someone posts they dick online and says they want to fuck Angelina Jolie, I don't think that every one of those guys is a threat to her. So yes, the person may live 2000+ miles away from you and pose little threat, it's very different from going up to someone and saying, "I'm going to fuck you".



I don't think you're getting my point. It's not the same in Korea. PLEASE try to understand that. The dude I mentioned that lived in Chicago was not a threat at first - he was harmless. Then it became national news dude and eventually scarred Tablo and his family for life. They were getting death threats in another part of the world.

At this point I think you are just trying to win an argument on your opinion of who is and is not a potential threat in Korea, but don't grasp the social and cultural differences the country has from our own.
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
July 19 2011 16:05 GMT
#754

I might go kill myself



But it's also clear that public life as a single, working, divorced mom — still a pariah status in South Korea —


That's pretty sad and wrong. Jessica might try to focus on changing that instead of hunting internet trolls......
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
kzn
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1218 Posts
July 19 2011 16:06 GMT
#755
On July 20 2011 01:04 DEN1ED wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 00:41 GreatGodImp wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:33 PHC wrote:
I think you guys are looking at it through the wrong lens. Internet crime/bullying in Korea is much more serious than any other part of the world.


I wish I was kidding.

Because people take it too seriously. Which is what most people are arguing in this thread.
Jessica's reaction might be normal by Korean standards (in which case I'm glad I don't live there) but to me, it's just batshit insane.


Yes, a place where people are taught to respect others and spewing disgusting garbage online isn't accepted as the norm. I sure would HATE to live there. Sounds just awful.


Yes, a place where everyone has to censor their communication with one party when talking about a third party because oh god they might get angry.

No thanks, I'll take the disrespect over constant fear.
Like a G6
DarkDolphin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States102 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-19 16:07:22
July 19 2011 16:07 GMT
#756
On July 20 2011 01:01 Xiphiass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 00:56 DarkDolphin wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:54 Tatari wrote:
Good god... way to take the troll bait. Not only that, she went in guns blazing to use tweets as harassment evidence. She's treating this too much like a black-or-white argument, either people are for her decision or against it.

Or does she not know what trolls are? ._.

Trolls need to be punish, ignoring is not enough.

Because trolling is illegal.







Yyyyep.


oh so you scared you won't be able to troll , harrass others without punishment anymore? hahaha [:
branflakes14
Profile Joined July 2010
2082 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-19 16:08:53
July 19 2011 16:08 GMT
#757
On July 20 2011 01:06 kzn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 01:04 DEN1ED wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:41 GreatGodImp wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:33 PHC wrote:
I think you guys are looking at it through the wrong lens. Internet crime/bullying in Korea is much more serious than any other part of the world.


I wish I was kidding.

Because people take it too seriously. Which is what most people are arguing in this thread.
Jessica's reaction might be normal by Korean standards (in which case I'm glad I don't live there) but to me, it's just batshit insane.


Yes, a place where people are taught to respect others and spewing disgusting garbage online isn't accepted as the norm. I sure would HATE to live there. Sounds just awful.


Yes, a place where everyone has to censor their communication with one party when talking about a third party because oh god they might get angry.

No thanks, I'll take the disrespect over constant fear.


I'm with you. I'd rather everyone threw criticism and insults around so people could try to understand and appease them than everyone went around with a hollow smile on their face. It's like telling people how to live without telling them why.


On July 20 2011 01:07 DarkDolphin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 01:01 Xiphiass wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:56 DarkDolphin wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:54 Tatari wrote:
Good god... way to take the troll bait. Not only that, she went in guns blazing to use tweets as harassment evidence. She's treating this too much like a black-or-white argument, either people are for her decision or against it.

Or does she not know what trolls are? ._.

Trolls need to be punish, ignoring is not enough.

Because trolling is illegal.







Yyyyep.


oh so you scared you won't be able to troll , harrass others without punishment anymore? hahaha [:


Now there's irony if I ever saw it.
denzelz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States604 Posts
July 19 2011 16:08 GMT
#758
On July 20 2011 00:59 PrimeTimey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 00:54 PHC wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:44 PrimeTimey wrote:
O MY GOD HE MADE FUN OF ME.. NOOOOOO



I might go kill myself


She had low self esteem? What can we do about it create laws where people can't have freedom of speech on the internet? lol get real


Cyber-bullying is illegal. In the U.S., all 50 states have laws that prohibit online stalking, harassment, and bullying. Why should you be allowed to harass another person on the Internet without consequence? I can't believe people are actually defending those who viciously attack others on the Internet.
Carbonthief
Profile Joined October 2010
United States289 Posts
July 19 2011 16:08 GMT
#759
This is making me realize just how very little I actually understand about Korean culture. I can't even fathom why there is an issue at all, much less one to go to the police about?

I mean threats, sure, take personal threats to the police if you actually feel threatened. That's fine. But this? WTF? And I never knew about the defamation of Flash case before. Why is that even a thing? People can't just... talk shit?
GreatGodImp
Profile Joined July 2011
United States10 Posts
July 19 2011 16:09 GMT
#760
On July 20 2011 01:07 DarkDolphin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 01:01 Xiphiass wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:56 DarkDolphin wrote:
On July 20 2011 00:54 Tatari wrote:
Good god... way to take the troll bait. Not only that, she went in guns blazing to use tweets as harassment evidence. She's treating this too much like a black-or-white argument, either people are for her decision or against it.

Or does she not know what trolls are? ._.

Trolls need to be punish, ignoring is not enough.

Because trolling is illegal.







Yyyyep.


oh so you scared you won't be able to troll , harrass others without punishment anymore? hahaha [:

Trolling is a art. It will never die.
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