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Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway.
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Whoever it was, what an asshole. Can't even spell his home town "Sydney" correctly.
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On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack.
Ok clearly you didn't take the time to actually read the post. Major was told FIVE DAYS before the event that he was not eligible. And he was then deliberately deceitful in using a diamond smurf account to anyway. And then when he was caught he lied again and called the tourney admin a fag. I'm failing to see at what point the tournament was in the wrong.
And it is a big deal even if he doesn't get given the prize money, because on his way he has eliminated other legitimate contestants from having a shot at winning.
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On July 18 2011 20:56 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. He then proceded to insult the admin after cheating so I think the backlash is well deserved.
The tournament admins disrespected him by not seeding him. They state you only need an account to play, so he gets an account then does not get seeded. I agree that Major didn't handle this properly but he was provoked.
I am assuming that chat that was screen shot was on stream, which is another disrespect from the admins; conversations should not be shown on stream, so this stuff does not happen. While he is being kind, all of his words are insulting. It is like me asking you do you know how to spell check? Do you know what that little red line under "proceded" means? Let me help you. Did I insult you directly? No, but the fact that I am asking you such a basic thing probably gets under your skin which could of been the straw that broke the camels back since the tournament already indirectly stole $60.
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On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack.
Do you think Major paid the account holder 60 dollars to use his account or something? I don't think there's any evidence of that. And while maybe they should have stated that in the forum post, that is a relatively minor fault, and Major should have backed off the moment he knew that the tournament was only for SEA members. Dox may have mistakenly excluded that in the forum post, but what Major did was no mistake, it was knowingly and intentionally cheating for monetary gain.
It doesn't matter if "smurfing happens" or not. There's nothing inherently wrong with smurfing, that's not the issue. Breaking rules is wrong no matter what, Major just used smurfing to do it. Nobody cares what name you win a game or a tournament under as long as you followed the rules to do it.
It absolutely astounds me how dense some people are being in this topic.
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On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack.
pretty much sum up everything and yes i didnt had to buy an account on the sea server but i had to use the playtime i had avaible for some other tourney cause missleading thread, i talked with Del 3-4 days before event asking if he could lend me an account to play on the tournament, he reponse me by saying he didnt think it was possible for me to play on the tourney but he wasnt sure but he said go register up and if they allow u to play i will lend u one, which by that time i realized i had to post my id - char code so i decided to use the playtime of the main account after logging in with the acc and going to the channel after seeing they didnt put me in the brackets god knows why @dox@ told me i wasnt allowed to play cause i wasnt a sea cetizen which pissed me off to the max cause thats not what the thread said it, it clearly said anyone with a valid sea account could play in the tournament after being denied i asked one member if i could play under his acc in the tourney to try to compensate the fact that i would have to refill my playtime cause i have another tournament in that same server, he agreed so i just proceed to play and all those screen shots in the 1st page are after they discovered i was playing with that account.
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Ipp,
It's called hard evidence and the fact they told him well before that he wasn't allowed to play because he wasn't a citizen of any nation in the SEA server was enough to justify it.
-_-
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On July 18 2011 21:06 Ipp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 20:56 Zaros wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. He then proceded to insult the admin after cheating so I think the backlash is well deserved. The tournament admins disrespected him by not seeding him. They state you only need an account to play, so he gets an account then does not get seeded. I agree that Major didn't handle this properly but he was provoked. I am assuming that chat that was screen shot was on stream, which is another disrespect from the admins; conversations should not be shown on stream, so this stuff does not happen. While he is being kind, all of his words are insulting. It is like me asking you do you know how to spell check? Do you know what that little red line under "proceded" means? Let me help you. Did I insult you directly? No, but the fact that I am asking you such a basic thing probably gets under your skin which could of been the straw that broke the camels back since the tournament already indirectly stole $60.
That isn't disrespect, he just wasn't allowed in the tournament. and besides, I doubt he even had to buy an account anyway.
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On July 18 2011 20:52 HaRxTears wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 20:31 Flwz wrote:On July 18 2011 20:28 Slakter wrote:On July 18 2011 20:24 Flwz wrote:
Very childish and stupid.
There are regular EU tourneys with similar prize pools, and guess what? we do not refuse anyone.
I guess it would be too hard though eh?
And there are regular EU tourneys with similar prize pools, and guess what? we also refuse people from outside! Also, what the fuck does that have to do with this issue? People are trying to look away from that Major lied in an admins face and broke rules then insulted him and instead look at the rules and say "Well that could be changed!". Makes me sick. What I meant is he is welcome to play in Go4sc2 (including finals) or Zotac. Yet he will not because his intention was to make a quick buck over what he thought would be an easy win tourney. As a tournament admin I absolutely agree that his behavior is despicable, never meant to say otherwise. Reason for major not to join EU cups is because its stacked like fck duhhh. Kas Happy Sjow Goody Nerchio Dimaga Stephano Haypro Beasty ++++++ 30 more names etc. are in there that could beat him and some would just destroy him. Anyways im just laughing at all of you raging its quite a joy to watch. ;D
You realize that he has beaten Thorzain, Naniwa, Stephano, etc. in online tournaments, right?
On the bright side, the attention this scandal has generated has done more for promoting SEA than the tourney would have done otherwise. This has become a cause celebre for SEA people. So some good has come out of his douche bag behavior.
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On July 18 2011 21:09 Bobble wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 21:06 Ipp wrote:On July 18 2011 20:56 Zaros wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. He then proceded to insult the admin after cheating so I think the backlash is well deserved. The tournament admins disrespected him by not seeding him. They state you only need an account to play, so he gets an account then does not get seeded. I agree that Major didn't handle this properly but he was provoked. I am assuming that chat that was screen shot was on stream, which is another disrespect from the admins; conversations should not be shown on stream, so this stuff does not happen. While he is being kind, all of his words are insulting. It is like me asking you do you know how to spell check? Do you know what that little red line under "proceded" means? Let me help you. Did I insult you directly? No, but the fact that I am asking you such a basic thing probably gets under your skin which could of been the straw that broke the camels back since the tournament already indirectly stole $60. That isn't disrespect, he just wasn't allowed in the tournament. and besides, I doubt he even had to buy an account anyway.
yes i had to cause missleading thread. i dont go checking tl trackers i go to the main thread read rules etc it said nothing on the whole thread about only sea citzens allowed to play
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On July 18 2011 18:56 BackSideAttack wrote:
K let me give you another example. With the stated criteria they would've had to admit Moonglade as well, if he wanted to play. Moonglade is probably the best player to come out of the Sea server, and he too is set just like T-gun. Having someone like Moonglade take the money does nothing to benefit the server. The only way to grow the scene is to inject the money into the hidden gems, helping them become financially stable enough to become a progamer. Giving the prize money to someone like Moonglade, who is already financially stable would not help the scene.
Dox should've had the foresight to make more restricting criteria, so that players like T-gun and Moonglade couldn't have joined if they wanted to. If he wanted to host a tournament with just sea players then thats absolutely fine. But to say that the point was to inject funds in order to better the server, then allowing people like t-gun and moonglade to play would be counterproductive.
Okay wow. I've just caught up on the thread and read all of your other posts. I'm convinced that you *must* be trolling by now, or are clearly misinformed about the SEA scene. The guy who came 2nd in the tournament (aLt.iaguz) went 3-0 against GLaDe before dropping the remaining Grand Final games. It was a very close and entertaining series. iaguz also took games off ST_Ace at the NRG $25,000 tournament. And so did nGen.Light, the runner-up. The same can be said for the Dox Cup 3rd place participant, who was not seeded into the round of 32 - nGen.JazBas. Incidentally, he is currently ranked 45th on the North American Grandmaster League with a 60% win ratio.
I'd appreciate if you would now:
1) Stop pretending to know anything about the SEA scene.
2) Stop telling me what I should do with my money.
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On July 18 2011 21:06 Ipp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 20:56 Zaros wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. He then proceded to insult the admin after cheating so I think the backlash is well deserved. The tournament admins disrespected him by not seeding him. They state you only need an account to play, so he gets an account then does not get seeded. I agree that Major didn't handle this properly but he was provoked. I am assuming that chat that was screen shot was on stream, which is another disrespect from the admins; conversations should not be shown on stream, so this stuff does not happen. While he is being kind, all of his words are insulting. It is like me asking you do you know how to spell check? Do you know what that little red line under "proceded" means? Let me help you. Did I insult you directly? No, but the fact that I am asking you such a basic thing probably gets under your skin which could of been the straw that broke the camels back since the tournament already indirectly stole $60.
They regrettably didn't post one detail in a forum post. That is not disrespect. That is not grounds for provocation. And that is not "indirectly stealing".
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On July 18 2011 21:03 joshboy42 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. Ok clearly you didn't take the time to actually read the post. Major was told FIVE DAYS before the event that he was not eligible. And he was then deliberately deceitful in using a diamond smurf account to anyway. And then when he was caught he lied again and called the tourney admin a fag. I'm failing to see at what point the tournament was in the wrong. And it is a big deal even if he doesn't get given the prize money, because on his way he has eliminated other legitimate contestants from having a shot at winning.
The tournament has inconsistent rules, right here it states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate.". You can't just say it is open to everyone, and at seeding decide not to seed someone.
The fact that major smurfed is wrong, I said that. But lets replace Major with a GSL Winner, would you still be upset at the player?
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On July 18 2011 21:14 Dox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 18:56 BackSideAttack wrote:
K let me give you another example. With the stated criteria they would've had to admit Moonglade as well, if he wanted to play. Moonglade is probably the best player to come out of the Sea server, and he too is set just like T-gun. Having someone like Moonglade take the money does nothing to benefit the server. The only way to grow the scene is to inject the money into the hidden gems, helping them become financially stable enough to become a progamer. Giving the prize money to someone like Moonglade, who is already financially stable would not help the scene.
Dox should've had the foresight to make more restricting criteria, so that players like T-gun and Moonglade couldn't have joined if they wanted to. If he wanted to host a tournament with just sea players then thats absolutely fine. But to say that the point was to inject funds in order to better the server, then allowing people like t-gun and moonglade to play would be counterproductive.
Okay wow. I've just caught up on the thread and read all of your other posts. I'm convinced that you *must* be trolling by now, or are clearly misinformed about the SEA scene. The guy who came 2nd in the tournament (aLt.iaguz) went 3-0 against GLaDe before dropping the remaining Grand Final games. It was a very close and entertaining series. iaguz also took games off ST_Ace at the NRG $25,000 tournament. And so did nGen.Light, the runner-up. The same can be said for the Dox Cup 3rd place participant, who was not seeded into the round of 32 - nGen.JazBas. Incidentally, he is currently ranked 45th on the North American Grandmaster League with a 60% win ratio. I'd appreciate if you would now: 1) Stop pretending to know anything about the SEA scene. 2) Stop telling me what I should do with my money.
im sorry about what im about to say but excluding moonglade everyone else over sea is terrible at sc2, just cause they do good in such bad server as NA means nothing. i played like 2days ago the best Terran in sea i believe his id is IMyoonji on KR ladder than he procceed to ask me to join sixjax.
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On July 18 2011 21:16 Ipp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 21:03 joshboy42 wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. Ok clearly you didn't take the time to actually read the post. Major was told FIVE DAYS before the event that he was not eligible. And he was then deliberately deceitful in using a diamond smurf account to anyway. And then when he was caught he lied again and called the tourney admin a fag. I'm failing to see at what point the tournament was in the wrong. And it is a big deal even if he doesn't get given the prize money, because on his way he has eliminated other legitimate contestants from having a shot at winning. The tournament has inconsistent rules, right here it states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate.". You can't just say it is open to everyone, and at seeding decide not to seed someone. The fact that major smurfed is wrong, I said that. But lets replace Major with a GSL Winner, would you still be upset at the player?
Problem is, major apparently was told about 5 days before the Dox cup, was told by Dox that he was ineligible, then decided to sneak his way into the tourney, and when he was caught out, he just trolled the room. If anyone did that, I think I would be pissed. As said before, the fact that it was only open to SEA citizens was not fully advertised, and I think that's already been accounted for. It didn't seem to bother Fenix or the Korean pros. And since major didn't pay for an account, all it cost him was time, essentially.
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On July 18 2011 21:15 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 21:06 Ipp wrote:On July 18 2011 20:56 Zaros wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. He then proceded to insult the admin after cheating so I think the backlash is well deserved. The tournament admins disrespected him by not seeding him. They state you only need an account to play, so he gets an account then does not get seeded. I agree that Major didn't handle this properly but he was provoked. I am assuming that chat that was screen shot was on stream, which is another disrespect from the admins; conversations should not be shown on stream, so this stuff does not happen. While he is being kind, all of his words are insulting. It is like me asking you do you know how to spell check? Do you know what that little red line under "proceded" means? Let me help you. Did I insult you directly? No, but the fact that I am asking you such a basic thing probably gets under your skin which could of been the straw that broke the camels back since the tournament already indirectly stole $60. They regrettably didn't post one detail in a forum post. That is not disrespect. That is not grounds for provocation. And that is not "indirectly stealing".
"Didn't post" would be saying that Smurfing is not allowed. Since nowhere in the rules does it mention smurfing. They said "Anyone with a Valid SEA Account" which is 100% different than the requirement just not being there.
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On July 18 2011 21:20 Bobble wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 21:16 Ipp wrote:On July 18 2011 21:03 joshboy42 wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. Ok clearly you didn't take the time to actually read the post. Major was told FIVE DAYS before the event that he was not eligible. And he was then deliberately deceitful in using a diamond smurf account to anyway. And then when he was caught he lied again and called the tourney admin a fag. I'm failing to see at what point the tournament was in the wrong. And it is a big deal even if he doesn't get given the prize money, because on his way he has eliminated other legitimate contestants from having a shot at winning. The tournament has inconsistent rules, right here it states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate.". You can't just say it is open to everyone, and at seeding decide not to seed someone. The fact that major smurfed is wrong, I said that. But lets replace Major with a GSL Winner, would you still be upset at the player? Problem is, major apparently was told about 5 days before the Dox cup, was told by Dox that he was ineligible, then decided to sneak his way into the tourney, and when he was caught out, he just trolled the room. If anyone did that, I think I would be pissed. As said before, the fact that it was only open to SEA citizens was not fully advertised, and I think that's already been accounted for. It didn't seem to bother Fenix or the Korean pros. And since major didn't pay for an account, all it cost him was time, essentially.
why u lieing no one ever told me that until they day i log in into the servers stop spreading bs without reading
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I will never read anything with "Major" in the title again. Stop wasting my time.
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On July 18 2011 21:09 sixjaxMajor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. pretty much sum up everything and yes i didnt had to buy an account on the sea server but i had to use the playtime i had avaible for some other tourney cause missleading thread, i talked with Del 3-4 days before event asking if he could lend me an account to play on the tournament, he reponse me by saying he didnt think it was possible for me to play on the tourney but he wasnt sure but he said go register up and if they allow u to play i will lend u one, which by that time i realized i had to post my id - char code so i decided to use the playtime of the main account after logging in with the acc and going to the channel after seeing they didnt put me in the brackets god knows why @dox@ told me i wasnt allowed to play cause i wasnt a sea cetizen which pissed me off to the max cause thats not what the thread said it, it clearly said anyone with a valid sea account could play in the tournament after being denied i asked one member if i could play under his acc in the tourney to try to compensate the fact that i would have to refill my playtime cause i have another tournament in that same server, he agreed so i just proceed to play and all those screen shots in the 1st page are after they discovered i was playing with that account.
On July 18 2011 21:11 sixjaxMajor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 21:09 Bobble wrote:On July 18 2011 21:06 Ipp wrote:On July 18 2011 20:56 Zaros wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. He then proceded to insult the admin after cheating so I think the backlash is well deserved. The tournament admins disrespected him by not seeding him. They state you only need an account to play, so he gets an account then does not get seeded. I agree that Major didn't handle this properly but he was provoked. I am assuming that chat that was screen shot was on stream, which is another disrespect from the admins; conversations should not be shown on stream, so this stuff does not happen. While he is being kind, all of his words are insulting. It is like me asking you do you know how to spell check? Do you know what that little red line under "proceded" means? Let me help you. Did I insult you directly? No, but the fact that I am asking you such a basic thing probably gets under your skin which could of been the straw that broke the camels back since the tournament already indirectly stole $60. That isn't disrespect, he just wasn't allowed in the tournament. and besides, I doubt he even had to buy an account anyway. yes i had to cause missleading thread. i dont go checking tl trackers i go to the main thread read rules etc it said nothing on the whole thread about only sea citzens allowed to play
It doesn't matter matter if you thought the rules were misleading. That doesn't give you the right to break the rules and enter the tournament. Especially when you were explicitly told not to.
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On July 18 2011 21:22 sixjaxMajor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 21:20 Bobble wrote:On July 18 2011 21:16 Ipp wrote:On July 18 2011 21:03 joshboy42 wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. Ok clearly you didn't take the time to actually read the post. Major was told FIVE DAYS before the event that he was not eligible. And he was then deliberately deceitful in using a diamond smurf account to anyway. And then when he was caught he lied again and called the tourney admin a fag. I'm failing to see at what point the tournament was in the wrong. And it is a big deal even if he doesn't get given the prize money, because on his way he has eliminated other legitimate contestants from having a shot at winning. The tournament has inconsistent rules, right here it states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate.". You can't just say it is open to everyone, and at seeding decide not to seed someone. The fact that major smurfed is wrong, I said that. But lets replace Major with a GSL Winner, would you still be upset at the player? Problem is, major apparently was told about 5 days before the Dox cup, was told by Dox that he was ineligible, then decided to sneak his way into the tourney, and when he was caught out, he just trolled the room. If anyone did that, I think I would be pissed. As said before, the fact that it was only open to SEA citizens was not fully advertised, and I think that's already been accounted for. It didn't seem to bother Fenix or the Korean pros. And since major didn't pay for an account, all it cost him was time, essentially. why u lieing no one ever told me that until they day i log in into the servers stop spreading bs without reading
That's why I said 'apparently'. In this thread, actually, it has been said that you were told you were ineligible, or, as you said, del would have to check with Dox. It was more the way you acted after you were told that you could not participate that is the focus here.
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On July 18 2011 21:16 Ipp wrote:
The fact that major smurfed is wrong, I said that. But lets replace Major with a GSL Winner, would you still be upset at the player?
No, the fact that he cheated and broke the rules is wrong. No player should do that. You can replace Major with any pro, whether he be a GSL winner or some schmuck in Bronze league. When there's money on the line and you're cheating and breaking the rules, "upset" is one word as to how people will feel towards you.
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