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Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway.
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On July 18 2011 21:09 sixjaxMajor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. pretty much sum up everything and yes i didnt had to buy an account on the sea server but i had to use the playtime i had avaible for some other tourney cause missleading thread, i talked with Del 3-4 days before event asking if he could lend me an account to play on the tournament, he reponse me by saying he didnt think it was possible for me to play on the tourney but he wasnt sure but he said go register up and if they allow u to play i will lend u one, which by that time i realized i had to post my id - char code so i decided to use the playtime of the main account after logging in with the acc and going to the channel after seeing they didnt put me in the brackets god knows why @dox@ told me i wasnt allowed to play cause i wasnt a sea cetizen which pissed me off to the max cause thats not what the thread said it, it clearly said anyone with a valid sea account could play in the tournament after being denied i asked one member if i could play under his acc in the tourney to try to compensate the fact that i would have to refill my playtime cause i have another tournament in that same server, he agreed so i just proceed to play and all those screen shots in the 1st page are after they discovered i was playing with that account.
Do you think everyone is stupid?
In May you asked me if you could play in SEA tourneys and I told you that the only ones you'd be allowed to enter are the ESL Go4SC2 tournaments. You told me you could just lie, and then on the Wednesday before the tournament you specifically asked me if you were able to join the tourney in question here. I consulted with Dox just to confirm what I already thought and indeed you were not able play. Then you asked me for a SEA account to use so knowing the rules you went out of your way to circumvent them to play in the tournament and stop trying to pretend otherwise.
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On July 18 2011 11:05 DirtYLOu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 11:02 Antoine wrote:On July 18 2011 10:58 Jono7272 wrote:
Meh, the rules weren't clear. The Thread said anyone eith a SEA account was elligible, but elsewhere said only Sea citizens. Not too major imo! Excuse the pun :D he was specifically told by the tournament organizer that he was not allowed to enter This. Major is a dick, fuck him. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3eToR.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OI7uB.jpg<br>[img]http://i.imgur.com/06W2j.jpg)
Wow, lost all my respect for Major now. This thing should be in the op, because it clearly tells everything. That was such a low thing to do.
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On July 18 2011 21:14 Dox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 18:56 BackSideAttack wrote:
K let me give you another example. With the stated criteria they would've had to admit Moonglade as well, if he wanted to play. Moonglade is probably the best player to come out of the Sea server, and he too is set just like T-gun. Having someone like Moonglade take the money does nothing to benefit the server. The only way to grow the scene is to inject the money into the hidden gems, helping them become financially stable enough to become a progamer. Giving the prize money to someone like Moonglade, who is already financially stable would not help the scene.
Dox should've had the foresight to make more restricting criteria, so that players like T-gun and Moonglade couldn't have joined if they wanted to. If he wanted to host a tournament with just sea players then thats absolutely fine. But to say that the point was to inject funds in order to better the server, then allowing people like t-gun and moonglade to play would be counterproductive.
Okay wow. I've just caught up on the thread and read all of your other posts. I'm convinced that you *must* be trolling by now, or are clearly misinformed about the SEA scene. The guy who came 2nd in the tournament (aLt.iaguz) went 3-0 against GLaDe before dropping the remaining Grand Final games. It was a very close and entertaining series. iaguz also took games off ST_Ace at the NRG $25,000 tournament. And so did nGen.Light, the runner-up. The same can be said for the Dox Cup 3rd place participant, who was not seeded into the round of 32 - nGen.JazBas. Incidentally, he is currently ranked 45th on the North American Grandmaster League with a 60% win ratio. I'd appreciate if you would now: 1) Stop pretending to know anything about the SEA scene. 2) Stop telling me what I should do with my money.
Wow...what part do you not understand about needing backing before you can commit to being a full time progamer. nGen and aLt give substantially less backing to their players than FXO.
iaguz, light, and Jazbas are all from semi pro clans. Moonglade is from a professional team that pays him a salary. His JOB is to play Starcraft, thus he has more time to practice. If Iaguz can take play that closely with moonglade with minimal practice don't you think he has a lot of potential if he had more time to practice? I would be highly surprised if he didnt have a day job, because im 100% sure clan aLt doesn't pay a salary, and if they do, not enough to support yourself off it alone. These small tournaments are the opportunity for lesser known players such as Iaguz, Jazbas, and light to win some financial backing, because they aren't going to get invited to any of the prestigious NON-Sea events like Moonglade does.
My qualm is that its okay to tell major that he can't play because it's for residents/citizens only. But it's not okay to then come post in the forum about how you don't want him to play because you want to grow the sea server. Because if that's the case, Moonglade winning the money is the same as Major winning the money. By doing so your not fostering new talent. Yes, you are helping the server from a competitive perspective, but at the same time your hurting it from a funding perspective. I have been arguing that funding comes before competition because if you can't eat you can't practice.
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On July 18 2011 21:09 sixjaxMajor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. pretty much sum up everything and yes i didnt had to buy an account on the sea server but i had to use the playtime i had avaible for some other tourney cause missleading thread, i talked with Del 3-4 days before event asking if he could lend me an account to play on the tournament, he reponse me by saying he didnt think it was possible for me to play on the tourney but he wasnt sure but he said go register up and if they allow u to play i will lend u one, which by that time i realized i had to post my id - char code so i decided to use the playtime of the main account after logging in with the acc and going to the channel after seeing they didnt put me in the brackets god knows why @dox@ told me i wasnt allowed to play cause i wasnt a sea cetizen which pissed me off to the max cause thats not what the thread said it, it clearly said anyone with a valid sea account could play in the tournament after being denied i asked one member if i could play under his acc in the tourney to try to compensate the fact that i would have to refill my playtime cause i have another tournament in that same server, he agreed so i just proceed to play and all those screen shots in the 1st page are after they discovered i was playing with that account.
See?
Straight from the mouth of the cow.
He just can't be reasoned with, he is just a big baby Having a tantrum
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On July 18 2011 21:22 sixjaxMajor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 21:20 Bobble wrote:On July 18 2011 21:16 Ipp wrote:On July 18 2011 21:03 joshboy42 wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. Ok clearly you didn't take the time to actually read the post. Major was told FIVE DAYS before the event that he was not eligible. And he was then deliberately deceitful in using a diamond smurf account to anyway. And then when he was caught he lied again and called the tourney admin a fag. I'm failing to see at what point the tournament was in the wrong. And it is a big deal even if he doesn't get given the prize money, because on his way he has eliminated other legitimate contestants from having a shot at winning. The tournament has inconsistent rules, right here it states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate.". You can't just say it is open to everyone, and at seeding decide not to seed someone. The fact that major smurfed is wrong, I said that. But lets replace Major with a GSL Winner, would you still be upset at the player? Problem is, major apparently was told about 5 days before the Dox cup, was told by Dox that he was ineligible, then decided to sneak his way into the tourney, and when he was caught out, he just trolled the room. If anyone did that, I think I would be pissed. As said before, the fact that it was only open to SEA citizens was not fully advertised, and I think that's already been accounted for. It didn't seem to bother Fenix or the Korean pros. And since major didn't pay for an account, all it cost him was time, essentially. why u lieing no one ever told me that until they day i log in into the servers stop spreading bs without reading
Honest question, why the hell does it matter if they told you 5 days ahead of time or that day. Isnt the fact of the matter that they told you no and you tried to get around it?
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lol this kid is such a joke. What this guy said:
I will never read anything with "Major" in the title again. Stop wasting my time.
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On July 18 2011 21:31 deL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 21:09 sixjaxMajor wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. pretty much sum up everything and yes i didnt had to buy an account on the sea server but i had to use the playtime i had avaible for some other tourney cause missleading thread, i talked with Del 3-4 days before event asking if he could lend me an account to play on the tournament, he reponse me by saying he didnt think it was possible for me to play on the tourney but he wasnt sure but he said go register up and if they allow u to play i will lend u one, which by that time i realized i had to post my id - char code so i decided to use the playtime of the main account after logging in with the acc and going to the channel after seeing they didnt put me in the brackets god knows why @dox@ told me i wasnt allowed to play cause i wasnt a sea cetizen which pissed me off to the max cause thats not what the thread said it, it clearly said anyone with a valid sea account could play in the tournament after being denied i asked one member if i could play under his acc in the tourney to try to compensate the fact that i would have to refill my playtime cause i have another tournament in that same server, he agreed so i just proceed to play and all those screen shots in the 1st page are after they discovered i was playing with that account. Do you think everyone is stupid? In May you asked me if you could play in SEA tourneys and I told you that the only ones you'd be allowed to enter are the ESL Go4SC2 tournaments. You told me you could just lie, and then on the Wednesday before the tournament you specifically asked me if you were able to join the tourney in question here. I consulted with Dox just to confirm what I already thought and indeed you were not able play. Then you asked me for a SEA account to use so knowing the rules you went out of your way to circumvent them to play in the tournament and stop trying to pretend otherwise.
These two posts sums everything up. Ouch would be the reaction, its one thing getting caught - another still trying to play innocent with your hand in the cookiejar. Grow a pair, because lying, calling names and making false statements really doesn't help your already botched image.
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wait, he switched accounts while he was streaming and tried to get into the tournament that way? that is ridiculously pathetic :O
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On July 18 2011 20:48 Dox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 18:46 BackSideAttack wrote:
to quote you exactly
"This event was specifically designed to encourage the SEA community to step up their game and embrace the global success of StarCraft 2 competitive eSports. Consider it an investment on my part. I inject money into the community, and the community produces higher quality gamers. Eventually these players will build the skills and confidence they need to represent SEA on the world stage (see: mOOnGLaDe). "
How does injecting money into someone like T-gun help the scene grow? It doesn't. He is already set. He has a team, an income, skilled practice partners, and a team house. His primary source of practice no longer comes from the Sea server. If you really wanted the scene to grow you would be injecting those funds to people who weren't afforded to opportunity to join a team and practice in Korea. Giving him the 1st place winnings won't make the scene any better, whereas giving an unknown player the winnings could help you produce another T-gun.
I don't disagree with your intent, but as i previously stated in the rebuttal for someone else, it was your lack of foresight that made this decision discriminatory. You didn't think it through, therefore you have a glaring hole in the logic of your reasoning for hosting the tournament. It's okay to host the server for only a specific group of people. But if your intent is to build the scene, then you shouldn't allow people like T-gun to play. I truly do not understand what your fixation on tgun is all about. I mean absolutely no offense to the guy - I love the guy, I'm a huge fan of the guy, and I talk to him nearly every day. But he has not won a single event in SEA to date and there is no statistics to prove that he would win the event hands down. By your logic, mOOnGLaDe should be a focal point since he has participated in the GSL, and came 4th in the world at IEM last season. Are you saying I shouldn't let mOOnGLaDe play either? Are you suggesting that I should ban every Australian who makes a reputation for himself? Seems kind of counterproductive, no? Tgun has only been out of the country for 6 weeks. And he's leaving Korea in like 10 days. You talk about glaring holes of logic, yet you fail to recognise how dreadfully gaping your posts are. Tgun and mOOnGLaDe are symbols of what I want more of our players to aspire to.
Just posting to say that I didn't even participate in the event, to boot.
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On July 18 2011 21:36 ronpaul012 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 21:22 sixjaxMajor wrote:On July 18 2011 21:20 Bobble wrote:On July 18 2011 21:16 Ipp wrote:On July 18 2011 21:03 joshboy42 wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. Ok clearly you didn't take the time to actually read the post. Major was told FIVE DAYS before the event that he was not eligible. And he was then deliberately deceitful in using a diamond smurf account to anyway. And then when he was caught he lied again and called the tourney admin a fag. I'm failing to see at what point the tournament was in the wrong. And it is a big deal even if he doesn't get given the prize money, because on his way he has eliminated other legitimate contestants from having a shot at winning. The tournament has inconsistent rules, right here it states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate.". You can't just say it is open to everyone, and at seeding decide not to seed someone. The fact that major smurfed is wrong, I said that. But lets replace Major with a GSL Winner, would you still be upset at the player? Problem is, major apparently was told about 5 days before the Dox cup, was told by Dox that he was ineligible, then decided to sneak his way into the tourney, and when he was caught out, he just trolled the room. If anyone did that, I think I would be pissed. As said before, the fact that it was only open to SEA citizens was not fully advertised, and I think that's already been accounted for. It didn't seem to bother Fenix or the Korean pros. And since major didn't pay for an account, all it cost him was time, essentially. why u lieing no one ever told me that until they day i log in into the servers stop spreading bs without reading Honest question, why the hell does it matter if they told you 5 days ahead of time or that day. Isnt the fact of the matter that they told you no and you tried to get around it?
^ that. pretty funny how ppl still trying to defend him when he was told no he can not join the tournament.
no doesnt mean yes the next day, which apparently is the way things work for major.
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after seeing his face at MLG Columbus i can totally see him acting in such a way. what a joke
User was warned for this post
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On July 18 2011 21:41 tgun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 20:48 Dox wrote:On July 18 2011 18:46 BackSideAttack wrote:
to quote you exactly
"This event was specifically designed to encourage the SEA community to step up their game and embrace the global success of StarCraft 2 competitive eSports. Consider it an investment on my part. I inject money into the community, and the community produces higher quality gamers. Eventually these players will build the skills and confidence they need to represent SEA on the world stage (see: mOOnGLaDe). "
How does injecting money into someone like T-gun help the scene grow? It doesn't. He is already set. He has a team, an income, skilled practice partners, and a team house. His primary source of practice no longer comes from the Sea server. If you really wanted the scene to grow you would be injecting those funds to people who weren't afforded to opportunity to join a team and practice in Korea. Giving him the 1st place winnings won't make the scene any better, whereas giving an unknown player the winnings could help you produce another T-gun.
I don't disagree with your intent, but as i previously stated in the rebuttal for someone else, it was your lack of foresight that made this decision discriminatory. You didn't think it through, therefore you have a glaring hole in the logic of your reasoning for hosting the tournament. It's okay to host the server for only a specific group of people. But if your intent is to build the scene, then you shouldn't allow people like T-gun to play. I truly do not understand what your fixation on tgun is all about. I mean absolutely no offense to the guy - I love the guy, I'm a huge fan of the guy, and I talk to him nearly every day. But he has not won a single event in SEA to date and there is no statistics to prove that he would win the event hands down. By your logic, mOOnGLaDe should be a focal point since he has participated in the GSL, and came 4th in the world at IEM last season. Are you saying I shouldn't let mOOnGLaDe play either? Are you suggesting that I should ban every Australian who makes a reputation for himself? Seems kind of counterproductive, no? Tgun has only been out of the country for 6 weeks. And he's leaving Korea in like 10 days. You talk about glaring holes of logic, yet you fail to recognise how dreadfully gaping your posts are. Tgun and mOOnGLaDe are symbols of what I want more of our players to aspire to. Just posting to say that I didn't even participate in the event, to boot.
Having too much fun kicking a ball around? Sounds great!
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On July 18 2011 21:41 tgun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 20:48 Dox wrote:On July 18 2011 18:46 BackSideAttack wrote:
to quote you exactly
"This event was specifically designed to encourage the SEA community to step up their game and embrace the global success of StarCraft 2 competitive eSports. Consider it an investment on my part. I inject money into the community, and the community produces higher quality gamers. Eventually these players will build the skills and confidence they need to represent SEA on the world stage (see: mOOnGLaDe). "
How does injecting money into someone like T-gun help the scene grow? It doesn't. He is already set. He has a team, an income, skilled practice partners, and a team house. His primary source of practice no longer comes from the Sea server. If you really wanted the scene to grow you would be injecting those funds to people who weren't afforded to opportunity to join a team and practice in Korea. Giving him the 1st place winnings won't make the scene any better, whereas giving an unknown player the winnings could help you produce another T-gun.
I don't disagree with your intent, but as i previously stated in the rebuttal for someone else, it was your lack of foresight that made this decision discriminatory. You didn't think it through, therefore you have a glaring hole in the logic of your reasoning for hosting the tournament. It's okay to host the server for only a specific group of people. But if your intent is to build the scene, then you shouldn't allow people like T-gun to play. I truly do not understand what your fixation on tgun is all about. I mean absolutely no offense to the guy - I love the guy, I'm a huge fan of the guy, and I talk to him nearly every day. But he has not won a single event in SEA to date and there is no statistics to prove that he would win the event hands down. By your logic, mOOnGLaDe should be a focal point since he has participated in the GSL, and came 4th in the world at IEM last season. Are you saying I shouldn't let mOOnGLaDe play either? Are you suggesting that I should ban every Australian who makes a reputation for himself? Seems kind of counterproductive, no? Tgun has only been out of the country for 6 weeks. And he's leaving Korea in like 10 days. You talk about glaring holes of logic, yet you fail to recognise how dreadfully gaping your posts are. Tgun and mOOnGLaDe are symbols of what I want more of our players to aspire to. Just posting to say that I didn't even participate in the event, to boot.
We know tgun, that's been made abundantly clear. We know you played soccer with OGS or something. How did that go btw?
Posters are still using you and moonglade as an example in arguments against Dox's reasoning for making this tourney SEA-only, but that really does not have to do anything with Major's actions. So really, you only apply to those who somehow thinks this tourney being SEA-only somehow excuses Major's actions.
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On July 18 2011 21:31 deL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 21:09 sixjaxMajor wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. pretty much sum up everything and yes i didnt had to buy an account on the sea server but i had to use the playtime i had avaible for some other tourney cause missleading thread, i talked with Del 3-4 days before event asking if he could lend me an account to play on the tournament, he reponse me by saying he didnt think it was possible for me to play on the tourney but he wasnt sure but he said go register up and if they allow u to play i will lend u one, which by that time i realized i had to post my id - char code so i decided to use the playtime of the main account after logging in with the acc and going to the channel after seeing they didnt put me in the brackets god knows why @dox@ told me i wasnt allowed to play cause i wasnt a sea cetizen which pissed me off to the max cause thats not what the thread said it, it clearly said anyone with a valid sea account could play in the tournament after being denied i asked one member if i could play under his acc in the tourney to try to compensate the fact that i would have to refill my playtime cause i have another tournament in that same server, he agreed so i just proceed to play and all those screen shots in the 1st page are after they discovered i was playing with that account. Do you think everyone is stupid? In May you asked me if you could play in SEA tourneys and I told you that the only ones you'd be allowed to enter are the ESL Go4SC2 tournaments. You told me you could just lie, and then on the Wednesday before the tournament you specifically asked me if you were able to join the tourney in question here. I consulted with Dox just to confirm what I already thought and indeed you were not able play. Then you asked me for a SEA account to use so knowing the rules you went out of your way to circumvent them to play in the tournament and stop trying to pretend otherwise.
LOL
Wow, I think Artosis or someone in SixJax needs to tell Major to shut up.
He keeps digging his hole bigger, cheating and now trying to lie and put off blame to someone else? lol truly pathetic.
And before anyone comes back with Who to believe or not, I will say this.
Who would you believe Del a contributing member of the SC2 community or Major who is known for these sort of antics? lol
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What a pathetic cheater lol.
Are you that desperate that you cant be success in any tourney so you
smurfing in to server that you call "anyone is terrible" so you might win lol princess
And milady, you got caught, yet still BSing to justify youself
Grow up kitty, people like you meow, should be banned from all tourney meow.
This is unbelieveable, but not that unpredictable from you.
EDIT: and THIS, lady and geltleman, is what hurting E-Sport
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Although smurfing is usually seen as cheating, I feel like he was also cheated before he did that.
The tournament rules didn't warn it was citizens only and Major invested his money to get a SEA account to participate in it. I think this was handled terribly, they should've let him participate in this one tournament, and then in the next one just make the rules freakin clear so other people don't make the same mistake.
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How do people not see how serious this is? It is EXTREMELY serious.
Major CHEATED the tournament, after being informed he could not play.
This sort of thing destroys integrity, that's why its so important. There is nothing to say that Major wouldn't cheat any other tournaments in the future. And since he is a pro player this reflects upon his entire team. Unless SixJax takes a Visible harsh stance on this issue, then, while they may not condone such behavior, it will appear that it's not a large issue for their players to cheat. This sort of integrity blow is damning, and only means that the guilty parties in question can't be trusted again. It's far easier to lose integrity than it is to get it back.
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On July 18 2011 21:45 Rayansaki wrote:
Although smurfing is usually seen as cheating, I feel like he was also cheated before he did that.
The tournament rules didn't warn it was citizens only and Major invested his money to get a SEA account to participate in it. I think this was handled terribly, they should've let him participate in this one tournament, and then in the next one just make the rules freakin clear so other people don't make the same mistake.
:/ Please tell me you had the common sense to read the entire thing before posting. He didn't pay anything to get the account, someone lent it to him, and the rules were made clear by the admin saying no you can't play in this tournament as evidenced by the chatlog. I'm sorry but it would've been impossible to miss if you had actually read the thing.
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On July 18 2011 21:45 Rayansaki wrote:
Although smurfing is usually seen as cheating, I feel like he was also cheated before he did that.
The tournament rules didn't warn it was citizens only and Major invested his money to get a SEA account to participate in it. I think this was handled terribly, they should've let him participate in this one tournament, and then in the next one just make the rules freakin clear so other people don't make the same mistake.
On July 18 2011 21:09 sixjaxMajor wrote:
pretty much sum up everything and yes i didnt had to buy an account on the sea server
He didn't invest any money at all. And no, the tournament didn't have to do anything after they told him he couldn't enter. Not posting one little detail does not equate to cheating.
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On July 18 2011 21:43 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 21:41 tgun wrote:On July 18 2011 20:48 Dox wrote:On July 18 2011 18:46 BackSideAttack wrote:
to quote you exactly
"This event was specifically designed to encourage the SEA community to step up their game and embrace the global success of StarCraft 2 competitive eSports. Consider it an investment on my part. I inject money into the community, and the community produces higher quality gamers. Eventually these players will build the skills and confidence they need to represent SEA on the world stage (see: mOOnGLaDe). "
How does injecting money into someone like T-gun help the scene grow? It doesn't. He is already set. He has a team, an income, skilled practice partners, and a team house. His primary source of practice no longer comes from the Sea server. If you really wanted the scene to grow you would be injecting those funds to people who weren't afforded to opportunity to join a team and practice in Korea. Giving him the 1st place winnings won't make the scene any better, whereas giving an unknown player the winnings could help you produce another T-gun.
I don't disagree with your intent, but as i previously stated in the rebuttal for someone else, it was your lack of foresight that made this decision discriminatory. You didn't think it through, therefore you have a glaring hole in the logic of your reasoning for hosting the tournament. It's okay to host the server for only a specific group of people. But if your intent is to build the scene, then you shouldn't allow people like T-gun to play. I truly do not understand what your fixation on tgun is all about. I mean absolutely no offense to the guy - I love the guy, I'm a huge fan of the guy, and I talk to him nearly every day. But he has not won a single event in SEA to date and there is no statistics to prove that he would win the event hands down. By your logic, mOOnGLaDe should be a focal point since he has participated in the GSL, and came 4th in the world at IEM last season. Are you saying I shouldn't let mOOnGLaDe play either? Are you suggesting that I should ban every Australian who makes a reputation for himself? Seems kind of counterproductive, no? Tgun has only been out of the country for 6 weeks. And he's leaving Korea in like 10 days. You talk about glaring holes of logic, yet you fail to recognise how dreadfully gaping your posts are. Tgun and mOOnGLaDe are symbols of what I want more of our players to aspire to. Just posting to say that I didn't even participate in the event, to boot. We know tgun, that's been made abundantly clear. We know you played soccer with OGS or something. How did that go btw? Posters are still using you and moonglade as an example in arguments against Dox's reasoning for making this tourney SEA-only, but that really does not have to do anything with Major's actions.
it's like one guy who keeps on stating that mOOnGLaDe and tgun are already being paid up by FXO, thus have more free time, thus are better than all of SEA and take all of the money from tourneys, where guys like deth, RedArchon, iaguz and nGenLight still are pretty damn good and give us great games.
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