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Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway.
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On July 18 2011 12:38 getpicture wrote:
Pretty disgraceful by major. Artosis needs to punish Major or major himself apologizes.
Either way Major will be banned from most tournaments.
ummm, actually he wont. The SEA scene is so small it really won't affect any of the bigger tournaments. And this smurfing isn't as big a deal as many people say. Tons of pros have smurfed or have done stuff like this in the past.
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On July 18 2011 14:16 Reptilia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 14:04 Probe1 wrote:On July 18 2011 13:51 Reptilia wrote:
im sorry to say this, but im not surprised it came from someone from USA. I'm sorry as well. You shouldn't label all of us by one or several bad posters but I understand. i know not everyone is like that. But its just that most people who are so egocentric are USA citizens.
Just like how most people who present baseless opinions as facts are Chilean citizens? Makes sense to me.
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On July 18 2011 13:36 Baarn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 13:32 Dox wrote:On July 18 2011 13:29 Olinim wrote:
Hopefully he'll pull his stupid bullshit in a major tourney so we can be rid of him once and for all. Please don't take this as aggression, but what constitutes a major tourney out of curiosity? Because my future events will have significantly larger prize pools. If it will be what I saw the other night I wish you luck. Some of the matches were really painful to see. Can throw all the money around you want but good players make good tournaments not other way around. Please invite some top level players next time.
I'm not sure if the point is getting across for Dox's side to you. From what I've read thus far, Dox is created these tourneys to encourage SEA players to be more competitive as a whole. By creating the tournaments, people who play in SEA will want to improve their skills in order to complete. In the long run here, Dox is doing SEA a great deal in future development.
Say all you want about SEA players. (You have your opinion) I've played on both servers NA and SEA and will soon start playing on the TW+KR combined server. I'll be honest with you. I started bronze in SEA when I started playing as I was living in AU at the time. (I'm from Texas) I moved up to gold so far on a casual basis. Yes I'm only gold and I have 3 accounts in SEA, NA, and KR.
There is a big difference in the skill level in lower levels between NA and SEA...SEA is harder. The difference here is many because of the amount of people in the player pools. I think you have more serious players at lower levels in SEA due to population differences.
The point of this isn't to argue the skill level though. Saying "Can throw all the money around you want but good players make good tournaments not other way around" may be true at a higher level. When it comes down to this situation. I see that Dox is promoting SEA player development. Bringing in international pro's next season will also add a feel of "finding a hero" for SEA players. While in Australia I watched only GSL due to time constraints. There are many EU players I have not got to watch yet. Since I watched GSL though, NesTea is my hero =) If I had watched EU tourneys first, that would be different. I love the idea of SEA getting a chance to see some foreign pros next season.
Dox it is great to see the stuff you are doing for SEA. When I head back to Australia early to mid next year, I'll have to find you and have a beer or two.
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Major really works at it to make everyone dislike him, doesn't he?
I just feel sorry for all those who got knocked out of the tournament by this douche and are left wondering how far they would have gotten if someone hadn't come in and broken the rules.
Also, really people? SEA doesn't matter because it has less high level players? You could say the same thing about NA compared to EU, or EU compared to KR. Grow up, people.
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On July 18 2011 14:13 Jacko11 wrote:
I think in the end the problem was handled correctly, Major just wanted to bend the rules as much as possible, but in the end Dox has the final say in the matter and gave Major a fair warning beforehand.
By bend the rules as much as possible you must mean break them entirely since that is exactly what he did.
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On July 18 2011 14:04 Ucs wrote:
bla bla bla no YOU're ruining esports whaaaa
Take a sip of water, then think of what you just said. By not allowing other regions to develop and raise their skill level through local tournaments, how do you expect any of them to actually get good enough to win anything outside their area? The existing top players of Europe, Korea and the US would just swoop down and take all the prize money from each and every tournament, stagnating the growth of SCII as a sport globally, and one by one, each region will stop bothering with the sport altogether until, by process of elimination, only Korea will be left hosting tournaments, because everyone else will stop bothering due to the big gap in talent, skill and quality of practice.
By having locked region tournaments, you can stimulate growth of talent and skill in a particular area until they're ready for inter-region and international tournaments. It's basically like raising a kid: you don't force a week-old baby to walk on its own two feet or talk and expect them to actually be able to do that instantly. By allowing them to grow and slowly increasing difficulty in tasks they are required to do, they can actually progressively learn and improve upon what they have.
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On July 18 2011 14:04 Ucs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 13:47 Probe1 wrote:On July 18 2011 13:44 Ucs wrote:
The guy who opened the thread is such a drama queen. Major didn't cheat, he didn't do anything fishy, he just wanted to play a tournament like everyone else. As FXOtgun is registered that means there was no skill cap on registering for the tournament. So the only problem was location, which nobody cares about.
Overall you are just trying to stir stuff up and I see that its somewhat working... a shame that the community just jumps the band wagon to write c**p about some people for something that dosen't really matter. Really? Did you actually read the OP, the thread or any of the links? Major did attempt to cheat the rules of the tournament via a smurf account (fishy)- all so he could win a tournament he wasn't qualified for (unlike everyone else). The point of the tournament was shared location. Get the hell out of this thread. You clearly don't understand what fishy means. Smurfing is not cheating and its not fishy. Its something anyone can do. Just because it dosen't say Sixjax-Major on the account name dosent mean you suddently get hack super powers and beat everyone(I'm sure MeatyOwlLegs(i think it was naniwa's smurf) competed in tourneys). The best player skill wise would've won the tourney so nobody can complain as he didn't use any cheats. Now to let myself be clear: location dosent matter for tourneys as long as you have a account. It's retarded to make a tourney and not let anyone enter. The point of the tourney is not to give someone some money but to get the name of the sponsors out and give entertainment to the viewers. How better to do that than to get really good players competiting and providing good games? People like you who only care about 1st place prize and being overall drama queens just to stir s**t up is what is going wrong with the sc2 community at the moment.
You clearly dont seem to understand the stupidity of your post (but maybe you're ****** yourself so we forgive you). Yes, Smurfing is not cheating and its not fishy, we know cause alot of progamers (and the oh so famous "day9" smurf that everyone goes on about) do it, but lets see what major did.
But as his stream revealed, he approached one of the diamond-league players who was participating in the event (SayfT / Gerlan), and asked if he could use his account. - as posted on the OP.
I beg to differ, but isn't that already against Blizzard's ToS? So he's already broken a legal contract. But dw, blizzard hasnt found out yet so it doesnt really matter, after all he hasn't broken the tournament rules has he?
The original post was written and posted for SC2SEA.com. I decided to copy/paste it over here to provide a little more exposure for the players who frequent TL more often than our own site. Thus, the "valid SEA account" part was somewhat vague in a global context. The "SEA Citizen" requirement was included on the tournament calendar, but I didn't have the foresight to edit it into the OP. - as posted on the OP
Okay. so he has broken the tournament rules. But maybe he didn't see the 'updated' tournament rules on the tournament calendar on the sc2sea website. So this was just a misunderstanding isnt it?
5 days before the event, sixjax.MajOr got in touch with deL, asking him if he was able to compete. deL contacted me immediately with the question, and I responded concisely. "No, SEA citizens only." 4 days later, MajOr decided to sign up anyway, obviously in an attempt to exploit this loophole. - as posted on the OP
So, he was told a straight NO (from a tournament official too! not other participant) that he wasn't allowed to participate but yet decided to. Okay so he's broken the tournament rules and all, but wait isnt this tournament stupid and just a waste of time? after all they're doing the stupidest thing by not doing the following:
The point of the tourney is not to give someone some money but to get the name of the sponsors out and give entertainment to the viewers. How better to do that than to get really good players competiting and providing good games? - as quoted by you...
Okay. So when did you write the rules of the tournament? Were you the one who organized it? Were you the one who threw in your own money for prize money?
Clearly not.
If you're the person i think you are, i suggest you post back good counter arguments, then maybe you'll earn the respect of people in here as a person who actually thinks before he post. Otherwise, we'll take your silence as an admission of defeat, but i'm certain you'll reply. after all, you aren't as ****** as i think you are.
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Good, NA online tournys should do this 2, then 3 random slayers can't sign up for some 100 dollar tourny and win 1st 2nd 3rd.
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Eh, pretty bad on Majors part but i still think he is one of the best players in NA
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On July 18 2011 14:28 Ponyo wrote:
Good, NA online tournys should do this 2, then 3 random slayers can't sign up for some 100 dollar tourny and win 1st 2nd 3rd.
what does this have to do with smurfing?
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On July 18 2011 14:21 ke_ivan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 13:41 Maliris wrote:
Having more prizemoney isn't gonna grow SEA, money can't make good players. What kinda ignorant logic is that? If blizzard had a tourney that offered free t-shirts as prizes or if korean players didn't have the sponsors to have their players practice 24/7, you think we'll be able to see the same level of play? On the issue, it's obvious that MajOr was wrong. He already clarified that with Dox, and with that knowledge tried to circumvent the rules. If there was a contract, he'd be in for fraud. Sixjax's handling of the scenario is also less than noteworthy. Evoli basically said that the SEA market is unimportant to the gaming community. No apology forthcoming, even from coach Artosis. What they are saying is: "Look this is unimportant. Let's sweep it all under the carpet and forget about it." Basically, he's going DTs and hoping his opponent doesn't build turrets/raven AFTER scouting his dark shrine. Tastosis calls that stupidity. Anyway same logic applies to all those like-minded to evoli: sixjax as a sponsor/team pales in comparison to other companies. And sixjax is not bigger than the sea community. And because of this, I guarantee you, in today's globalised society, no one from SEA will go to sixjax and buy from their auction site because they've just associated themselves (even justified) with dishonest behaviour. Would you go to bank that has an openly dishonest bank teller? Would you even support the bank at all, seeing that, even after the teller got caught, the bank just reinstated without any form of punishment? How much do you trust the decisions of a manager or coach after he/she lets this kind of behaviour slide? I'm a big fan of Artosis (don't get me wrong). It might not have been his place to comment. But Sixjax evoli (i'm assuming he's the manager) saying that the situation is "small potatoes" is not the way to go. As it happens, Evoli did apologise, but actions speak louder than words - he should suspend MajOr for a while, impose a fine or do something in lasting memory to ensure that such stupidity doesn't happen again.
What?
You're being extremely liberal with your interpretation of what I said. I never insinuated that that I thought anything but the best of the SEA region.
I should apologize for my use of the phrase "small potatoes." It was poor word choice, and I probably deserve to get chewed out for that.
If you look at what I said, I use the phrase after acknowledging that I talked to two tournament admins about the situation. I was trying to say that I had been in contact with those in charge, and that the situation had been dealt with. Moving forward I thought this situation was "small potatoes" as everything that needed to be done had be done. The very next sentence I again apologize for the event being disrupted. I wasn't trying to be anything but respectful.
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On July 18 2011 14:25 Midgetman101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 12:38 getpicture wrote:
Pretty disgraceful by major. Artosis needs to punish Major or major himself apologizes.
Either way Major will be banned from most tournaments. ummm, actually he wont. The SEA scene is so small it really won't affect any of the bigger tournaments. And this smurfing isn't as big a deal as many people say. Tons of pros have smurfed or have done stuff like this in the past.
So you're saying that we should... ignore emerging markets? lulz.
It isn't smurfing. he was already disqualified on entry (on his SEA account) and he "bribed" other players into letting him play on their accounts. In a way, you could call it match-fixing, except that sAviOur was much better at it. Even in a criminal sense, its fail.
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On July 18 2011 14:27 Biane wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 14:04 Ucs wrote:On July 18 2011 13:47 Probe1 wrote:On July 18 2011 13:44 Ucs wrote:
The guy who opened the thread is such a drama queen. Major didn't cheat, he didn't do anything fishy, he just wanted to play a tournament like everyone else. As FXOtgun is registered that means there was no skill cap on registering for the tournament. So the only problem was location, which nobody cares about.
Overall you are just trying to stir stuff up and I see that its somewhat working... a shame that the community just jumps the band wagon to write c**p about some people for something that dosen't really matter. Really? Did you actually read the OP, the thread or any of the links? Major did attempt to cheat the rules of the tournament via a smurf account (fishy)- all so he could win a tournament he wasn't qualified for (unlike everyone else). The point of the tournament was shared location. Get the hell out of this thread. You clearly don't understand what fishy means. Smurfing is not cheating and its not fishy. Its something anyone can do. Just because it dosen't say Sixjax-Major on the account name dosent mean you suddently get hack super powers and beat everyone(I'm sure MeatyOwlLegs(i think it was naniwa's smurf) competed in tourneys). The best player skill wise would've won the tourney so nobody can complain as he didn't use any cheats. Now to let myself be clear: location dosent matter for tourneys as long as you have a account. It's retarded to make a tourney and not let anyone enter. The point of the tourney is not to give someone some money but to get the name of the sponsors out and give entertainment to the viewers. How better to do that than to get really good players competiting and providing good games? People like you who only care about 1st place prize and being overall drama queens just to stir s**t up is what is going wrong with the sc2 community at the moment. You clearly dont seem to understand the stupidity of your post (but maybe you're ****** yourself so we forgive you). Yes, Smurfing is not cheating and its not fishy, we know cause alot of progamers (and the oh so famous "day9" smurf that everyone goes on about) do it, but lets see what major did. Show nested quote +But as his stream revealed, he approached one of the diamond-league players who was participating in the event (SayfT / Gerlan), and asked if he could use his account. - as posted on the OP. I beg to differ, but isn't that already against Blizzard's ToS? So he's already broken a legal contract. But dw, blizzard hasnt found out yet so it doesnt really matter, after all he hasn't broken the tournament rules has he? Show nested quote +The original post was written and posted for SC2SEA.com. I decided to copy/paste it over here to provide a little more exposure for the players who frequent TL more often than our own site. Thus, the "valid SEA account" part was somewhat vague in a global context. The "SEA Citizen" requirement was included on the tournament calendar, but I didn't have the foresight to edit it into the OP. - as posted on the OP Okay. so he has broken the tournament rules. But maybe he didn't see the 'updated' tournament rules on the tournament calendar on the sc2sea website. So this was just a misunderstanding isnt it? Show nested quote +5 days before the event, sixjax.MajOr got in touch with deL, asking him if he was able to compete. deL contacted me immediately with the question, and I responded concisely. "No, SEA citizens only." 4 days later, MajOr decided to sign up anyway, obviously in an attempt to exploit this loophole. - as posted on the OP So, he was told a straight NO (from a tournament official too! not other participant) that he wasn't allowed to participate but yet decided to. Okay so he's broken the tournament rules and all, but wait isnt this tournament stupid and just a waste of time? after all they're doing the stupidest thing by not doing the following: Show nested quote + The point of the tourney is not to give someone some money but to get the name of the sponsors out and give entertainment to the viewers. How better to do that than to get really good players competiting and providing good games? - as quoted by you... Okay. So when did you write the rules of the tournament? Were you the one who organized it? Were you the one who threw in your own money for prize money? Clearly not. If you're the person i think you are, i suggest you post back good counter arguments, then maybe you'll earn the respect of people in here as a person who actually thinks before he post. Otherwise, we'll take your silence as an admission of defeat, but i'm certain you'll reply. after all, you aren't as ****** as i think you are.
Lets be honest here, does it really matter? He broke the rules, he was punished for it, thats all lol you dont have to go about insulting this guy.
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I knew this guy was a fake ever since he started jumping clans. It was bound to happen, good thing the community knows now.
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The guy clarified the rules with the admin, then broke them anyway.
For all the people that are dismissing SEA as an insignificant scene, look at it this way.
IPL has has excluded Korea from their tournament. Imagine if a top Korean had secretly gotten a smurf account and participated in the tournament. Would you still have the same attitude of "LOL but NA/EU doesn't matter, Korea has better players anyway" if they were caught cheating?
No.
Get the fuck out cheaters.
Go get a job at mcdonalds if you're so desperate for $500.
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On July 18 2011 14:04 Ucs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 13:47 Probe1 wrote:On July 18 2011 13:44 Ucs wrote:
The guy who opened the thread is such a drama queen. Major didn't cheat, he didn't do anything fishy, he just wanted to play a tournament like everyone else. As FXOtgun is registered that means there was no skill cap on registering for the tournament. So the only problem was location, which nobody cares about.
Overall you are just trying to stir stuff up and I see that its somewhat working... a shame that the community just jumps the band wagon to write c**p about some people for something that dosen't really matter. Really? Did you actually read the OP, the thread or any of the links? Major did attempt to cheat the rules of the tournament via a smurf account (fishy)- all so he could win a tournament he wasn't qualified for (unlike everyone else). The point of the tournament was shared location. Get the hell out of this thread. You clearly don't understand what fishy means. Smurfing is not cheating and its not fishy. Its something anyone can do. Just because it dosen't say Sixjax-Major on the account name dosent mean you suddently get hack super powers and beat everyone(I'm sure MeatyOwlLegs(i think it was naniwa's smurf) competed in tourneys). The best player skill wise would've won the tourney so nobody can complain as he didn't use any cheats. Now to let myself be clear: location dosent matter for tourneys as long as you have a account. It's retarded to make a tourney and not let anyone enter. The point of the tourney is not to give someone some money but to get the name of the sponsors out and give entertainment to the viewers. How better to do that than to get really good players competiting and providing good games? People like you who only care about 1st place prize and being overall drama queens just to stir s**t up is what is going wrong with the sc2 community at the moment.
the tournament is not set by you, all of your "make yourself clear" part is totally just your opinion.
Even if the idea of the tournament doesn't suit to your "to get really good players competiting and providing good games?" or "location dosent matter for tourneys as long as you have a account."
no one cares. You can give out every single reason on why you support Major but no fact is enough to justify his action.
Rule is rule, he knew the rules, he knew he is breaking it, he knew if he was caught, he would take punishment.
i.e. He plays the tournament knowing of the possible consequences, he took the risk and blew it.
No one forced him to play in it, so just let him get whatever punishment he deserves.
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On July 18 2011 14:32 ke_ivan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 14:25 Midgetman101 wrote:On July 18 2011 12:38 getpicture wrote:
Pretty disgraceful by major. Artosis needs to punish Major or major himself apologizes.
Either way Major will be banned from most tournaments. ummm, actually he wont. The SEA scene is so small it really won't affect any of the bigger tournaments. And this smurfing isn't as big a deal as many people say. Tons of pros have smurfed or have done stuff like this in the past. So you're saying that we should... ignore emerging markets? lulz. It isn't smurfing. he was already disqualified on entry (on his SEA account) and he "bribed" other players into letting him play on their accounts. In a way, you could call it match-fixing, except that sAviOur was much better at it. Even in a criminal sense, its fail.
I didnt say that did i? I was referring to where the poster i quoted said that major will be banned from most tournaments, which he won't btw.
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On July 18 2011 14:33 GenesisX wrote:
I knew this guy was a fake ever since he started jumping clans. It was bound to happen, good thing the community knows now.
He was known to be a fake long before the clan jumping started. This is just another incident in a long string of failures at the hands of Major, the start of which dates back to BW. But despite the lying, cheating, BMing, etc... he has proved time and time again how resilient he is. Anyone else (CombatEX not included) would have gracefully retired from the world of esports, but not Major. Like an intestinal parasite he has been able to withstand and survive. Truly Major is one of nature’s little miracles.
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Not surprising, this is as expected by major...artosis may curse the day he picked him up just because of his poor childish attitude.
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