EPT[Poll] NASL Premium - Season 2 polls - Page 4
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Gfire
United States1699 Posts
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kingcoyote
United States546 Posts
The final blow had nothing to do with the technical issues, though. PuMa winning felt so unsatisfying to me. Don't get me wrong, PuMa deserved that win more than I can describe. His play was flawless and he is one of the best out there. I just don't like that someone not even in the NASL during weeks 1-9 can win the championship. When I bought the ticket, I didn't realize how much this would annoy me. I don't think I'll buy a ticket again until the format is change so that you have to be in the NASL from day 1 to win the NASL finals. | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On July 12 2011 08:37 reisada wrote: mm really gsl is REALLY not having the best games in the world. REALLY Just dont watch the code S finals then all is good. Code A is getting so awesome in the recent seasons so i really don't see where you are coming from. REALLY  | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On July 12 2011 08:29 BryanSC wrote: Bought Season 1, will not be buying Season 2 for a number of reasons. Most suggestions made seem to be going over NASL's head. For the longest time, complaints were made over audio, and they still had issues both with their stream and their live event in the final weeks of the overall tournament. VOD quality for watching videos couldn't be changed. 1080p videos take forever to buffer for some people; sorry I'm not going to sit and wait half an hour for a video to buffer for a game that might have turned out to be mediocre. I'm not sure this is a Justintv issue (I believe it's not), but almost every single time there would be a big battle going on during a game the stream would lag. I've seen many different streams/tournaments where this issue doesn't come up, so something must be going on. Player selections, casters, etc. are largely subjective. However, I think the amount of players they had for Season 1 was too much and basically the season ended up having dead periods where the games wouldn't matter anymore. Yeah sometimes in certain divisions it did come down to the wire, but players that were under .500 by Week 5 had no shot anymore at the playoffs and just took up time. This may have been NASL's first run and I did expect a few hiccups but they still have not proved to me that they had a refined product at the end of Season 1, which is why I probably won't shell out another $25 for Season 2. Threatening taking players money for not playing won't be enough. Even the viewers know the games won't matter so why force the players to play a pointless game. Format needs reworking so that these hopeless players can be cut and no longer be obligated to participate. Maybe multiple group phases. Plus the open qualifiers being able to go to playoffs is just off. Everyone knows about Ret's situation. It really highlights the problem. Spend 3 months and lose to a guy who qualified in a 2 day tournament. Not to take anything away from Puma. Open tournament wasn't needed. You should've rewarded the actual players who participated in the bulk of your season. So what's the point in investing watching the regular season and rooting for those players when there is a possibility (and it happened) that most of the open qualifiers would destroy everyone who played in the regular season. Knowing this shortcut to the playoffs, why would anyone want to play out the regular season? If you want to inject new players, do it next season, not insert them into the playoffs. | ||
Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
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Nadir
Australia114 Posts
On July 12 2011 08:38 Nexic wrote: Justin.tv issue, they fixed it quite awhile back. You can watch vods in various quality now. I can't/have never been able to watch vods in various qualities. How are you doing it? | ||
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BryanSC
United States455 Posts
On July 12 2011 08:41 reisada wrote: so you prefer to see better organization and worst games then better games and worst( although not that worst) organization? It's not GSL's fault that their Code S finals have been terrible, just as it's not to NASL's credit that MC vs. Puma turned out to be a great finals. | ||
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Greggor
Sweden119 Posts
Cant stand hearing the mouseclicks of the casters and dont really like Gretorp as a caster, dont have a good voice for casting. | ||
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reisada
183 Posts
On July 12 2011 08:48 BryanSC wrote: It's not GSL's fault that their Code S finals have been terrible, just as it's not to NASL's credit that MC vs. Puma turned out to be a great finals. the thing is that doesnt matter! what matters is what are the games you get. even if thats not nasl credit | ||
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Punscho
70 Posts
But the OP is spot on regarding the VODs. Having them so terribly unstructured is almost offensive as that is a huge part of what you've paid for. Now $25 for all those games are cheap for most guys with a job but if they do not improve on that aspect I dunno if I will pay for the next season. Having to rely on comments written by the unsung heroes of justin.tv to find the correct video part and timestamp to watch a specific game is not consumer friendly. And even with a great connection it's not very pleasant to skip to a random part of a 1080p VOD given the (at least have been) random performance of Justin.tv. It's a little like selling a christmas tree and after pocketing the money point to the forest and tell your customer "it's out there". Obvious things regarding the overall production need not be mentioned. Everything in that department and the casting have and will improve even more with experience and proper feedback. In short my main complaint are the VODs. They have to be structured better. If not per map, at least per overall game, which may include the intro video and warmup talk. Just don't let us sit and jump to "part 2 @ 37:40" to find our personal marquee game of the night. If this is improved upon I'll gladly hand them another 25 bucks for season 2. Having options for 720 or lower would also be nice so you can watch games on a poorer connection. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
The final blow had nothing to do with the technical issues, though. PuMa winning felt so unsatisfying to me. Don't get me wrong, PuMa deserved that win more than I can describe. His play was flawless and he is one of the best out there. I just don't like that someone not even in the NASL during weeks 1-9 can win the championship. When I bought the ticket, I didn't realize how much this would annoy me. Yeah this kind of bothered me too. It makes regular season play illegitimate to an extent that someone can come in from the open tournament and win the whole thing. It also seems like there is really no advantage to placing high in the regular season, as long as you can get high enough to make the tournament you are basically at the same level as everyone else. | ||
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thee telescopes
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425kid
416 Posts
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bounca
140 Posts
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BryanSC
United States455 Posts
On July 12 2011 08:46 Ownos wrote: Did not buy since I wouldn't watch. Just too many games so it's not worth it for me. $25 for the live event I was happy to pay for and go to. Threatening taking players money for not playing won't be enough. Even the viewers know the games won't matter so why force the players to play a pointless game. Format needs reworking so that these hopeless players can be cut and no longer be obligated to participate. Maybe multiple group phases. Plus the open qualifiers being able to go to playoffs is just off. Everyone knows about Ret's situation. It really highlights the problem. Spend 3 months and lose to a guy who qualified in a 2 day tournament. Not to take anything away from Puma. Open tournament wasn't needed. You should've rewarded the actual players who participated in the bulk of your season. So what's the point in investing watching the regular season and rooting for those players when there is a possibility (and it happened) that most of the open qualifiers would destroy everyone who played in the regular season. Knowing this shortcut to the playoffs, why would anyone want to play out the regular season? If you want to inject new players, do it next season, not insert them into the playoffs. Not sure if you misunderstood me, but when i said .500 I meant as in win percentage lol | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
That being said, I will not be resubscribing. As already stated, I wasn't really taking advantage of their clumsy VOD system, and there are just so much more they need to improve upon before I feel comfortable with their product and the content they're producing. I wish them the best of luck, of course. | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On July 12 2011 08:50 reisada wrote: the thing is that doesnt matter! what matters is what are the games you get. even if thats not nasl credit NASL final>Code S final Rest of NASL<<<<<Rest of GSL I would rather watch good games for 99% of the season and a bad final than the other way around. Though i am more positive towards season 2, now that we dont need to watch drebie vs painuser again. the memories still burn! | ||
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Dejime
United States108 Posts
My major reason for buying was the VODs, which were horribly cut/labeled. I'm sure they'll probably improve it, but I just can't argue for buying again given the stumbles of S1. If it seriously improves in S2, then I'd have no worries about buying S3! Hoping that improvements happen because I think a serious weekly foreign league is a great idea, but, the production value of this season was horrible. Apologists want to say "well, but the end of the Finals were great!" The last few series were definitely amazing, but the whole event was plagued by huge technical issues, a horrible format (lol BO3s, Open tournament winner against #1 seed,) and inexcusable delays. What was most depressing, frankly, was the NASL's failure to admit the problems, both throughout the season and at the finals. MLG Dallas was awful in so many ways, but I was impressed by the constant communication about the issues and the great customer service we all received. That's admittedly a high standard to set, but that's NASL's competition. MLG Columbus was so amazing that it made most of us forget about Dallas. I hope NASL S2 does the same thing for S1, but I fear it won't. | ||
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Mafs
Canada458 Posts
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