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iNViCiOUZ
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany364 Posts
July 11 2011 08:57 GMT
#161
Sure it's not the best desicion for the team FXO.
But on the other hand, we can watch Sheth playing and explaining, again!
I'm so happy about that I loved watching your stream, Sheth!

I hopy you have enogh practice partner on NA!
Sheth fighting!
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
July 11 2011 08:59 GMT
#162
I was already on the bandwagon of "GSL fatigue" before this news. But now I have almost zero interest in the GSTL.

I know moving to another country is hard, even if it's just for a while.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
July 11 2011 09:00 GMT
#163
On July 11 2011 17:52 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 17:50 Medrea wrote:
On July 11 2011 17:46 Tobberoth wrote:
On July 11 2011 17:44 Medrea wrote:
On July 11 2011 17:35 Tobberoth wrote:
On July 11 2011 17:31 Medrea wrote:
On July 11 2011 17:28 FXOpen wrote:
most pro gamers dont speak english, and they fit your demographic, but its an irrelevant argument.


What happened to wolf ( or was it doa? Cannot remember) saying you can pickup basic hongul in an afternoon (expecting overstatement here) in about an afternoon, since the language was built with ease of learning?

Also, ummm. No CD drives? I can probably think of a lot of free and easy to use places to learn Korean. Im just not getting this one.

I am NOT being critical, just trying to understand what has been posted so far.

The privacy thing I totally understand.

You can definitely pickup hangul in an afternoon, it's a very logical and simple writing system since it's so modern. Unfortunately, it doesn't help you much at all. Going from being able to read a word of hangul at 1 symbol a second to actually being able to read a sentence with decent speed is a huge jump, and even if you do, you have no idea what any of it means. Korean words conjugate quite hardcore, it can be hard to know when two words are just two forms of the same word.


Well thats fine no one is expecting anyone to pick up the language and operate it perfectly in a really short amount of time.

I mean non english speakers speak really really broken english and we dont really get all uppity over it.

How are Koreans at accepting Konglish, or no wait, Engrean?

Koreans are like Japanese. They LOVE when you show interest for their language and will call you great at it when you say hello incorrectly. That said, when you get beyond the "omfg that's so cute, he sounds like a baby", it gets pretty tough. Koreans and Japanese are not used to foreigners speaking their language like Americans are with English. They can easily misunderstand or not understand you at all, even if what you're saying is pretty much correct, only with bad pronunciation and some misses in the grammar.


What if I am pretty good at not anglicizing spoken words. I can duplicate the sound fairly well. But my overall knowledge of the language is pretty minimal. Can I learn broken Korean? And have it be understood?

Absolutely, but why stop at that? If you can get to that point, all you have to do is improve a bit and it won't be broken ^^.

However, not anglicizing words is a big thing. If you're good at that, it will help you a lot.


Yeah I have pretty good mouth micro or at least im told from years of french class. That is great news then. A language you can pick up quickly and an appreciative audience? Oh yeah i am totally feeling that.

That being said. For a person who doesn't play LANS.... to go to GSL? Major balls. Big ones.
twitch.tv/medrea
Biane
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia645 Posts
July 11 2011 09:00 GMT
#164
On July 11 2011 17:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 17:39 sickle wrote:
And this is why, unfortunately, the foreign scene will never be as good as the Korean. The captain of the team deserts them, and the majority of the community is saying that he did the right thing. It's pretty embarrassing, especially considering many many others would love to have such an opportunity.


Huh? Sheth gave solid reasons. If you haven't traveled a lot, it can be really rough. From what has been posted about Sheth, he really didn't travel much before SC2, so Korea was a rough shock for him. Not everyone is cut out for just uprooting their lives like that. Even the aussies on FXO have talked about how hard its been for them, so it's not like Sheth is alone in this.

Also, not everyone is an extrovert. Some just need their space and suddenly going from your own apartment to bunking with 10 other people isn't cut out for everyone.


No offence, but those sound like "personal" reasons to me. Its not like Sheth suddenly had VISA issues and had to give up all chance at staying in korea despite it being against his will. We can all agree that this feels like a waste but i cant help but feel let down that his decision is due to such.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 09:06:45
July 11 2011 09:05 GMT
#165
On July 11 2011 17:51 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 17:49 Serpico wrote:
On July 11 2011 17:39 sickle wrote:
And this is why, unfortunately, the foreign scene will never be as good as the Korean. The captain of the team deserts them, and the majority of the community is saying that he did the right thing. It's pretty embarrassing, especially considering many many others would love to have such an opportunity.

You're kind of being a jerk using words like "deserts." Going to Korea shouldn't be a prerequisite to getting respect as a foreigner. Perhaps putting in a lot of work in a country not named Korea can make you a great player as well?

You're also misunderstanding sickles argument. He's not saying you have to be in korea and do good to be respected, he's saying it's a waste that Sheth took the opportunity to go there and then leave his team to fight alone. He has good reasons which at least I respect and understand, but that doesn't make it less of a waste.

It's not really a waste because you dont know what you're getting into until you actually get into it. And he WAS taking a shot at sheth, saying you deserted your teammates is a pure insult. You dont just linearly get better in Korea no matter what, if you're miserable than you can't help that. In reality you'll be spending your days in a foreign country that's alien to you in essentially a dorm with no outlets to your family or friends at home. It's not for everyone.
Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
July 11 2011 09:06 GMT
#166
On July 11 2011 18:00 Biane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 17:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On July 11 2011 17:39 sickle wrote:
And this is why, unfortunately, the foreign scene will never be as good as the Korean. The captain of the team deserts them, and the majority of the community is saying that he did the right thing. It's pretty embarrassing, especially considering many many others would love to have such an opportunity.


Huh? Sheth gave solid reasons. If you haven't traveled a lot, it can be really rough. From what has been posted about Sheth, he really didn't travel much before SC2, so Korea was a rough shock for him. Not everyone is cut out for just uprooting their lives like that. Even the aussies on FXO have talked about how hard its been for them, so it's not like Sheth is alone in this.

Also, not everyone is an extrovert. Some just need their space and suddenly going from your own apartment to bunking with 10 other people isn't cut out for everyone.


No offence, but those sound like "personal" reasons to me. Its not like Sheth suddenly had VISA issues and had to give up all chance at staying in korea despite it being against his will. We can all agree that this feels like a waste but i cant help but feel let down that his decision is due to such.


Sheth needs to do what's best for Sheth. It's unreasonable to expect otherwise.
JYN
Profile Joined May 2011
United States14 Posts
July 11 2011 09:07 GMT
#167
This is very disappointing news. He is not only forgoing a rare opportunity to train with his team in Korea, but he is also abandoning his team in the GSTL as well as giving up his spot in the GSL Code A. Not to mention he is also bailing as the team's ace player and the team's best zerg coach/training partner.

Korea might be a difficult experience, but guess what?, Sheth's full time job is to be a professional gamer representing FXO. I am sure many of us have had to make sacrifices on our jobs and progaming should be no exception, especially if we want e-sports to be taken more seriously. I am sure if any of us pulled this on our jobs, we'd be cleaning our desks the very next day. Two weeks is certainly not enough and I can say that is was a disrespectful move to bail on the team especially after the organization flew him back to the US for NASL and I am sure booked a return ticket for him for Korea. Not many players have the privilege for that type of financial backing and I am sure none of this was a cheap investment.

I apologize for sounding a bit harsh in advance if Sheth had more severe reasons to not return to Korea, but the biggest loser is certainly the fans. Maybe Sheth isn't someone I should be rooting for. Looking forward to Naniwa, Thorzain, Fenix, and Sase in August.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 09:12:19
July 11 2011 09:07 GMT
#168
Well I'll just say that the idea of learning korean in a month while presumably practicing sc2 all day long is somewhat laughable. USB cd drives are like 30 bucks by the way. No one had a laptop with a cd drive? I can go on
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
July 11 2011 09:08 GMT
#169
On July 11 2011 16:42 Jakkerr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 16:41 Sedz wrote:
On July 11 2011 16:39 Tobberoth wrote:
After reading Sheths comments, I can understand all of them, except the one about learning korean. Learning a language is hard, it's not something you're going to do in 2 weeks or even 5 months. Being disappointed about that, especially when the only effort was to buy rosetta stone (which is a horrible way to learn a language, especially an eastern one) makes no sense at all. If you wanted to learn korean, you should have stopped with the progaming and gone to a language school in korea. It would still take at least a year before you could communicate on a comfortable level.


Right so he's going to go to Korea with the intention of furthering his PROGAMING training, then stop Progaming so he could go to language school and learn Korean, effectively making the trip to Korea in the first place useless?

Okay.


Not everyone wants to practice 12 hours a day and do nothing else, some people also want to do something else with their lives and have more then 1 hobby .
No offense to those koreans, but practicing 12 hours a day and do absolutely nothing else so u can be the best isn't healthy.

Actually the best sportsman around the world work and live like this. Do you think C. Ronaldo just watches TV the whole day? He practices shooting and other stuff even after the team practice is done.
namedplayer
Profile Joined June 2010
844 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 09:09:27
July 11 2011 09:09 GMT
#170
On July 11 2011 16:26 Gator wrote:
nobody can be upset with you sheth <3 <3 guess you just have to go back to tearing up NA


I would probably be upset if I were Boss. Sheth failed to keep his word. Boss wasted his money.
You know what I'm talking about
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
July 11 2011 09:09 GMT
#171
On July 11 2011 18:07 JYN wrote:
This is very disappointing news. He is not only forgoing a rare opportunity to train with his team in Korea, but he is also abandoning his team in the GSTL as well as giving up his spot in the GSL Code A. Not to mention he is also bailing as the team's ace player and the team's best zerg coach/training partner.

Korea might be a difficult experience, but guess what?, Sheth's full time job is to be a professional gamer representing FXO. I am sure many of us have had to make sacrifices on our jobs and progaming should be no exception, especially if we want e-sports to be taken more seriously. I am sure if any of us pulled this on our jobs, we'd be cleaning our desks the very next day. Two weeks is certainly not enough and I can say that is was a disrespectful move to bail on the team especially after the organization flew him back to the US for NASL and I am sure booked a return ticket for him for Korea. Not many players have the privilege for that type of financial backing and I am sure none of this was a cheap investment.

I apologize for sounding a bit harsh in advance if Sheth had more severe reasons to not return to Korea, but the biggest loser is certainly the fans. Maybe Sheth isn't someone I should be rooting for. Looking forward to Naniwa, Thorzain, Fenix, and Sase in August.

If your loyalty is swayed that easily you probably weren't a real fan to begin with.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
July 11 2011 09:12 GMT
#172
Why again should I want Sheth to be in Koea?

So that I can watch whopping 5 games of him in a whole month instead of the more than 100 I could watch before?
No thanks.
Off-season = best season
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
July 11 2011 09:12 GMT
#173
On July 11 2011 18:12 Redox wrote:
Why again should I want Sheth to be in Koea?

So that I can watch whopping 5 games of him in a whole month instead of the more than 100 I could watch before?
No thanks.

Nothing stopped him from streaming in korea, Moonglade did it constantly.
EnSky
Profile Joined June 2011
Philippines1003 Posts
July 11 2011 09:13 GMT
#174
Sheth's reasons are understandable. But, I can't help think that he could've at least stayed a bit longer... :/
Marsupian
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands455 Posts
July 11 2011 09:13 GMT
#175
Shame it didn't work out but I'm sure it was a good learning experience and I hope this helped him to get an idea of how he want's his future to be. <3 Sheth and GL with your future endeavors!
zylog
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada943 Posts
July 11 2011 09:19 GMT
#176
On July 11 2011 16:54 furymonkey wrote:
I guess not able to watch porn is the last straw. I would say this is just a normal transition shock, and is no different than joining the army. Few just wouldn't make it.


Haha, very true. If I'm not mistaken Sheth had only moved out from home fairly recently, so to go from living with family to living with one room-mate to having 10+ guys in one house within several months can be pretty tough.
phyren
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1067 Posts
July 11 2011 09:21 GMT
#177
Shame to see one less foreigner competing in GSL/GSTL, but you gotta do what you need to be happy.
cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
July 11 2011 09:21 GMT
#178
That sucks. Hopefully this isn't just the start.
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
July 11 2011 09:23 GMT
#179
On July 11 2011 18:09 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 18:07 JYN wrote:
This is very disappointing news. He is not only forgoing a rare opportunity to train with his team in Korea, but he is also abandoning his team in the GSTL as well as giving up his spot in the GSL Code A. Not to mention he is also bailing as the team's ace player and the team's best zerg coach/training partner.

Korea might be a difficult experience, but guess what?, Sheth's full time job is to be a professional gamer representing FXO. I am sure many of us have had to make sacrifices on our jobs and progaming should be no exception, especially if we want e-sports to be taken more seriously. I am sure if any of us pulled this on our jobs, we'd be cleaning our desks the very next day. Two weeks is certainly not enough and I can say that is was a disrespectful move to bail on the team especially after the organization flew him back to the US for NASL and I am sure booked a return ticket for him for Korea. Not many players have the privilege for that type of financial backing and I am sure none of this was a cheap investment.

I apologize for sounding a bit harsh in advance if Sheth had more severe reasons to not return to Korea, but the biggest loser is certainly the fans. Maybe Sheth isn't someone I should be rooting for. Looking forward to Naniwa, Thorzain, Fenix, and Sase in August.

If your loyalty is swayed that easily you probably weren't a real fan to begin with.


Rooting for someone isn't the same as being a loyal fan.
/commercial
Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
July 11 2011 09:24 GMT
#180
On July 11 2011 18:09 namedplayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 16:26 Gator wrote:
nobody can be upset with you sheth <3 <3 guess you just have to go back to tearing up NA


I would probably be upset if I were Boss. Sheth failed to keep his word. Boss wasted his money.


Now, now, let's not speculate. We don't know what agreements Sheth made with Boss.
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