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On July 11 2011 17:10 W2 wrote:
Wasn't Sheth captain? This is really bad for FXO, to lose one of your best players and captain is pretty demoralizing. Also although Sheth will never admit it, FXO's performance was also a factor. If their record was 2-0, Sheth would have stayed to compete, and this is probably lingering in the back of FXO's mind. I wish them the best and hope they get a win!
Results had nothing to do with it.
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ah that sucks man :/
but if lets him practice harder for MLG its good
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On July 11 2011 17:07 okay320 wrote:
No offense but why didn't Sheth think of all this shit earlier? The korean training environment isn't a secret, the language barrier isn't a secret and living with 10 guys is easy to imagine.
I'm sure there are people in NA who would love the opportunity to train in Korea. When you go there, drop out in 2nd round of code A and leave after 2 weeks it makes the foreigner scene look like a bunch of noobs.
Don't do that dude. You don't know Sheth or anything that actually happened other than the results and what's been disclosed. Something about being in Korea disagreed with Sheth (and I'd think about his code A results) and he decided not to return. We should show him support instead of criticizing him for taking a risk on a big opportunity that didn't work out for him.
Cheer Sheth.
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This is a little disappointing but understandable I guess. I remember when I had housemates (2 of them) and they drove me insane.. Not a good time to leave though.
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On July 11 2011 17:09 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 17:03 adeptz wrote:On July 11 2011 17:00 FXOpen wrote:On July 11 2011 16:59 Tobberoth wrote:On July 11 2011 16:51 adeptz wrote:On July 11 2011 16:23 RmoteCntrld wrote:If he can't handle Korea I wonder if he'll go to the team house in Malaysia like he said he was going to. Oh well sad news  Malaysia isn't like Korea. Sheth would be able to get by awesomely there cause everyone speaks english in Malaysia (though some do sound like kellymilkies) - so it wouldn't be a "forever alone" feeling. Not to mention the FXO house is probably like a palace in comparison to the GOM house... People are actually quite good at English in Korea. You could easily live for a year in korea speaking only english without having any major issues at all. No you couldnt. *Points above* Straight from his mouth. I don't know a lot about Korea, but i bet it would be a lot easier in Malaysia as all Malaysians learn english (reading/writing/speaking) in school - so there is no hand waving/trying to communicate as if you're playing charades. Not to mention signs/radio/tv/etc are in english, so you could actually LIVE there. You're saying koreans don't study English in school? That's wierd, my fiancé and all her friends learned English in school... some of them are even really fricking good at it. My fiancé is considered pretty bad at English for her age (28) and she could easily live in Sweden on her English. She can't enjoy movies in English, but she can easily get around and make herself understood. Definitely, older people don't know jack, but the younger generations have all studied english for years.
I didn't say that at all - please don't misunderstand me. The crux of my point was saying IF the language was an issue for Sheth, he would have an easier time in Malaysia, that's all.
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On July 11 2011 17:07 okay320 wrote:
No offense but why didn't Sheth think of all this shit earlier? The korean training environment isn't a secret, the language barrier isn't a secret and living with 10 guys is easy to imagine.
I'm sure there are people in NA who would love the opportunity to train in Korea. When you go there, drop out in 2nd round of code A and leave after 2 weeks it makes the foreigner scene look like a bunch of noobs.
Nevermind dropping out in the 2nd round of code A. What makes it more embarrassing was that he was granted a code A slot which a dozen other people would die for (DRG etc.), to drop out after only one season really seems like a waste.
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everytime i see sheth on camera, he seems like a bit shy and uncomfortable. better he playes and traines in a setup he is comfortable with so that he can deliver the awesome games that we all love 
sheth still the mother effin baddest !
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On July 11 2011 17:15 Biane wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 17:07 okay320 wrote:
No offense but why didn't Sheth think of all this shit earlier? The korean training environment isn't a secret, the language barrier isn't a secret and living with 10 guys is easy to imagine.
I'm sure there are people in NA who would love the opportunity to train in Korea. When you go there, drop out in 2nd round of code A and leave after 2 weeks it makes the foreigner scene look like a bunch of noobs. Nevermind dropping out in the 2nd round of code A. What makes it more embarrassing was that he was granted a code A slot which a dozen other people would die for (DRG etc.), to drop out after only one season really seems like a waste.
Because YOU know what's going in on Sheths life. Let the man be, he's a fantastic player and person and if he doesn't want to be in Korea he doesn't have to be.
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On July 11 2011 16:32 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 16:25 Zandar wrote:On July 11 2011 16:21 mdb wrote:
Of course its hard to stay with 10 guys in one room the whole day, it was hard for Flash, it was hard for Jaedong, it was hard for Nada, it was hard for Idra, It is hard for Huk and Jinro, but thats the price to pay if you want to be a champion. No love for the quitters. Bullshit. I can 100% understand him, some people just need their privacy more than others. It's not about what you need, is about what it takes and what you must do to get it. It's silly to assume other progamers don't need privacy, relaxed atmosphere, social life and family just as much. Yeah that post (that you replied to) had a dickish tone to it, but it's not bullshit, and it's not wrong. Nothing wrong with Sheth's decision btw. If you can't take it, you can't take it, and there's no shame in that and no need to hate him for it.
Some people don't have a problem with it at all to live in a house with 10 people. Some actually love it. Others need their solitude a lot more, for example people who are a bit more introverted or those who score high in ADD and autistic spectrums.
Sheth being a really mannered person, so maybe when he's in a group all day, 24/7, he's constantly considering other people's needs while neglecting himself? Which you can do for a few days, but not for weeks or months because that eats all your energy.
What some of you say is that you have to be able to live with 10 people all day to become the best of the best and that's just silly, especially since gamers are often people who like some solitude.
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Too bad, Seth was FXOs best (only top?) progamer, a loss for them if he won't be a part of their productions.
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On July 11 2011 17:08 FXOpen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 17:06 Tobberoth wrote:On July 11 2011 17:02 FXOpen wrote:
The area of korea sheth was living in, had minimal english. You had to get by with monitors showing prices, and hand signals.
If you lived in the centre of seoul, you would probably have no problem. But english is by no means common in Korea. At the same time, we have korean speakers on our team, so it wasn't an issue. I was under the impression the gomhouse was located in seoul. Personally I've been in many cities around korea and the only one where I wouldn't expect to be able to get by with just English would be Gyeongju since like 80%+ of the population seems to be old people and it's really traditional. Granted, you can't go into every single restaurant, even in the center of seoul, and expect them to speak English to you. However, being hungry in seoul and finding a restaurant where you'll have no problem ordering food without english? Should take 10 minutes, even in suburbs such as yongin. Although, I can agree with you as I have travelled alot to many places. For someone like sheth, that would be difficult. Its discouraging to run into a road block of non english. But its part of travelling. Learning to communicate with people as a whole etc. I by no means, use no english as an excuse, but if we are using language as a basis of survivability, Korea is not an ideal place for an only english speaker. That being said, once you work things out for yourself there, its a delightful place to be. I had no trouble ordering on my own, without anyone speaking english. Its just as matter of pointing and counting. But your argument about Japan and what not is void. Koreans in a majority sense, do not speak english.
When you put it that way, that makes sense. If Seth hasn't been travelling much before and isn't used to getting by in a foreign culture, I can see it being an issue even though a lot of people speak English. Especially since while an experienced traveler knows what to expect and can get the persons who do speak a little English to try their best, someone with less experience might go "darnit, they don't know any English at all, I can't understand this" and move over to gestures and guessing too fast, since it can be quite hard to understand English even from people who know it if their pronunciation is way bad.
And while the majority of koreas population definitely don't know English, I don't think I'm exagerating if I claim at least 40% of the koreans living in Seoul below age 35 know English well enough for you to use basic sentences. You can't ask them how they feel about the political climate in the US, but you can probably ask them for a good place to eat sangyeopsal 
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most pro gamers dont speak english, and they fit your demographic, but its an irrelevant argument.
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On July 11 2011 17:19 shabinka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 17:15 Biane wrote:On July 11 2011 17:07 okay320 wrote:
No offense but why didn't Sheth think of all this shit earlier? The korean training environment isn't a secret, the language barrier isn't a secret and living with 10 guys is easy to imagine.
I'm sure there are people in NA who would love the opportunity to train in Korea. When you go there, drop out in 2nd round of code A and leave after 2 weeks it makes the foreigner scene look like a bunch of noobs. Nevermind dropping out in the 2nd round of code A. What makes it more embarrassing was that he was granted a code A slot which a dozen other people would die for (DRG etc.), to drop out after only one season really seems like a waste. Because YOU know what's going in on Sheths life. Let the man be, he's a fantastic player and person and if he doesn't want to be in Korea he doesn't have to be.
I dont claim to know what's going on in Sheth's life. But it is a fact that he was granted a code A slot and that he dropped out after one season. It would be great that he could continue to play in korea and represent foreigners but sometimes things just dont work out and you're left with options that you dont want to choose but have to.
If anything, we can take comfort that this will be of benefit to Sheth as a player and that we can look forward to better games from him in the future, but for now, feel sad that things just didnt work out
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best of luck to FXO for the rest of the season
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This is a gigantic disappointment. Sheth is one of the few foreigners who looks like they could make a serious run for the GSL title, and seemed to be the star of FXO. I understand some people have anxiety about travel and living abroad (to a very small extent; I have done so and it is quite easy when you figure yourself out), but as a pro-gamer in a globalized world you need to be comfortable with those kinds of things.
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On July 11 2011 17:28 FXOpen wrote:
most pro gamers dont speak english, and they fit your demographic, but its an irrelevant argument.
What happened to wolf ( or was it doa? Cannot remember) saying you can pickup basic hongul in an afternoon (expecting overstatement here) in about an afternoon, since the language was built with ease of learning?
Also, ummm. No CD drives? I can probably think of a lot of free and easy to use places to learn Korean. Im just not getting this one.
I am NOT being critical, just trying to understand what has been posted so far.
The privacy thing I totally understand.
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It is sad to see Sheth go but regardless im still rooting for FXO! I cant wait to see how they do
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On July 11 2011 17:31 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 17:28 FXOpen wrote:
most pro gamers dont speak english, and they fit your demographic, but its an irrelevant argument. What happened to wolf ( or was it doa? Cannot remember) saying you can pickup basic hongul in an afternoon (expecting overstatement here) in about an afternoon, since the language was built with ease of learning? Also, ummm. No CD drives? I can probably think of a lot of free and easy to use places to learn Korean. Im just not getting this one. I am NOT being critical, just trying to understand what has been posted so far. The privacy thing I totally understand.
You can definitely pickup hangul in an afternoon, it's a very logical and simple writing system since it's so modern. Unfortunately, it doesn't help you much at all. Going from being able to read a word of hangul at 1 symbol a second to actually being able to read a sentence with decent speed is a huge jump, and even if you do, you have no idea what any of it means. Korean words conjugate quite hardcore, it can be hard to know when two words are just two forms of the same word.
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I think he should have given it more time. His life though and good luck with whatever he puts his mind too. Just that these kind of abroad experiences can really grow a progamer.
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I don't really have anything useful to add here but wanted to post to show support for Sheth anyway.
Good luck to the rest of FXO too!
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