EPTSheth not returning to Korea from NASL - Page 8
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sickle
New Zealand656 Posts
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
On July 11 2011 17:39 sickle wrote: And this is why, unfortunately, the foreign scene will never be as good as the Korean. The captain of the team deserts them, and the majority of the community is saying that he did the right thing. It's pretty embarrassing, especially considering many many others would love to have such an opportunity. so, Sheth does what he thinks is the best for him and you call that embarassing? Maybe you shouldn't judge people you don't know personally | ||
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EnSky
Philippines1003 Posts
But still, I hope he does well in his native land.  | ||
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yankjenets
United States232 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On July 11 2011 17:35 Tobberoth wrote: You can definitely pickup hangul in an afternoon, it's a very logical and simple writing system since it's so modern. Unfortunately, it doesn't help you much at all. Going from being able to read a word of hangul at 1 symbol a second to actually being able to read a sentence with decent speed is a huge jump, and even if you do, you have no idea what any of it means. Korean words conjugate quite hardcore, it can be hard to know when two words are just two forms of the same word. Well thats fine no one is expecting anyone to pick up the language and operate it perfectly in a really short amount of time. I mean non english speakers speak really really broken english and we dont really get all uppity over it. How are Koreans at accepting Konglish, or no wait, Engrean? | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On July 11 2011 17:41 Tofugrinder wrote: so, Sheth does what he thinks is the best for him and you call that embarassing? Maybe you shouldn't judge people you don't know personally That's not the point. I don't really agree with Sickle, but what he saying has nothing to do with knowing Sheth personally. The thing is, when you're in a high position, you have responsibility. Sheth was not only FXOs best player, he was also their team captain. He chose not to go back and his team is OK with it, so IMO it's for the best for everyone and there's no need to flame Sheth at all. However, think of a boss at a company being made cheif of a department in a new country, then going "nope, don't like it" and abandoning the employees. You don't have to know that boss personally to know it's a bad thing. | ||
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BumsenDK
Denmark137 Posts
I have and will follow sheth in the future, i just hate the fact that an oppotunity like this is wasted. take a look at qxc, he has been talking about nothing but korea the last month or so, he was soo exited to go, and there are plenty more like him around. But sheth, i realy do hope you trash some koreans in mlg, we dont want them to steal ALL our money now do we :D:D:D | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 11 2011 17:39 sickle wrote: And this is why, unfortunately, the foreign scene will never be as good as the Korean. The captain of the team deserts them, and the majority of the community is saying that he did the right thing. It's pretty embarrassing, especially considering many many others would love to have such an opportunity. Huh? Sheth gave solid reasons. If you haven't traveled a lot, it can be really rough. From what has been posted about Sheth, he really didn't travel much before SC2, so Korea was a rough shock for him. Not everyone is cut out for just uprooting their lives like that. Even the aussies on FXO have talked about how hard its been for them, so it's not like Sheth is alone in this. Also, not everyone is an extrovert. Some just need their space and suddenly going from your own apartment to bunking with 10 other people isn't cut out for everyone. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On July 11 2011 17:44 Medrea wrote: Well thats fine no one is expecting anyone to pick up the language and operate it perfectly in a really short amount of time. I mean non english speakers speak really really broken english and we dont really get all uppity over it. How are Koreans at accepting Konglish, or no wait, Engrean? Koreans are like Japanese. They LOVE when you show interest for their language and will call you great at it when you say hello incorrectly. That said, when you get beyond the "omfg that's so cute, he sounds like a baby", it gets pretty tough. Koreans and Japanese are not used to foreigners speaking their language like Americans are with English. They can easily misunderstand or not understand you at all, even if what you're saying is pretty much correct, only with bad pronunciation and some misses in the grammar. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On July 11 2011 17:39 sickle wrote: And this is why, unfortunately, the foreign scene will never be as good as the Korean. The captain of the team deserts them, and the majority of the community is saying that he did the right thing. It's pretty embarrassing, especially considering many many others would love to have such an opportunity. You're kind of being a jerk using words like "deserts." Going to Korea shouldn't be a prerequisite to getting respect as a foreigner. Perhaps putting in a lot of work in a country not named Korea can make you a great player as well? | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On July 11 2011 17:46 Tobberoth wrote: Koreans are like Japanese. They LOVE when you show interest for their language and will call you great at it when you say hello incorrectly. That said, when you get beyond the "omfg that's so cute, he sounds like a baby", it gets pretty tough. Koreans and Japanese are not used to foreigners speaking their language like Americans are with English. They can easily misunderstand or not understand you at all, even if what you're saying is pretty much correct, only with bad pronunciation and some misses in the grammar. What if I am pretty good at not anglicizing spoken words. I can duplicate the sound fairly well. But my overall knowledge of the language is pretty minimal. Can I learn broken Korean? And have it be understood? | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
Nevermind: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=242817¤tpage=3 | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On July 11 2011 17:49 Serpico wrote: You're kind of being a jerk using words like "deserts." Going to Korea shouldn't be a prerequisite to getting respect as a foreigner. Perhaps putting in a lot of work in a country not named Korea can make you a great player as well? You're also misunderstanding sickles argument. He's not saying you have to be in korea and do good to be respected, he's saying it's a waste that Sheth took the opportunity to go there and then leave his team to fight alone. He has good reasons which at least I respect and understand, but that doesn't make it less of a waste. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On July 11 2011 17:45 BumsenDK wrote: Im a bit bitter about this, first, i love sheth, and hope he does well, but i dont understand people sign up for an amazing oppotunity like this and then quit. He had to know himself well enough beforehand that this would get rough, and there are sooo many other progamers that would kill for the chance to be in korea. I have and will follow sheth in the future, i just hate the fact that an oppotunity like this is wasted. take a look at qxc, he has been talking about nothing but korea the last month or so, he was soo exited to go, and there are plenty more like him around. But sheth, i realy do hope you trash some koreans in mlg, we dont want them to steal ALL our money now do we :D:D:D Qxc' has wanted to go to Korea for awhile. He talked about it back before he went to Spain. Sheth on the other hand didn't. I remember him in an interview a little while back, before FXOpen announced they were going to Korea, That his team wanted him to go over there but he rather remain in the states. He gave it a try, it wasn't for him. I commend him for giving it a shot, but there is nothing wrong with not staying. | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
A SIGN OF THE WEAK, NO LESS imo he doesn't fit in with FXO at all, he practices with the coL guys a lot and I never thought he belonged with FXO, then again what do I know, just an opinion | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On July 11 2011 17:50 Medrea wrote: What if I am pretty good at not anglicizing spoken words. I can duplicate the sound fairly well. But my overall knowledge of the language is pretty minimal. Can I learn broken Korean? And have it be understood? Absolutely, but why stop at that? If you can get to that point, all you have to do is improve a bit and it won't be broken ^^. However, not anglicizing words is a big thing. If you're good at that, it will help you a lot. | ||
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Rarak
Australia631 Posts
On July 11 2011 15:43 TheResidentEvil wrote: well SHETH is the best player on FXO so its unfortunate he doesnt want to go back. Blink stalkers made sheth go home. Well Oz is the best player. Pity Sheth won't reach his full potential. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 11 2011 17:44 Tobberoth wrote: That's not the point. I don't really agree with Sickle, but what he saying has nothing to do with knowing Sheth personally. The thing is, when you're in a high position, you have responsibility. Sheth was not only FXOs best player, he was also their team captain. He chose not to go back and his team is OK with it, so IMO it's for the best for everyone and there's no need to flame Sheth at all. However, think of a boss at a company being made cheif of a department in a new country, then going "nope, don't like it" and abandoning the employees. You don't have to know that boss personally to know it's a bad thing. So, what's worse: Going back to Korea, being miserable because the environment doesn't work for you, being really stressed, then going to MLG and being in rough shape. OR Going home, recouping and being ready for MLG, showing that month of training you got and rocking up your Pool? There's still a whole lot on the line @ MLG and it's a major competition. FXO has other players that can play in the GSTL and he's already shown he can knock out San from Code A and win in GSTL. His skill level isn't really in question. You have to make choices that work better for you. Also, they've got 2 coaches in Korea as it is right now (Unstable + Wolf), so it's not exactly a big worry on that front. Or, as Kenny Rodgers would put it, "sometimes, you need to know when to fold'm". | ||
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T1_six_height
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
Disappointing that it turns out like this. | ||
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