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Thirdly just quite brutally honestly I'm not fit for staying with 10 other guys in a small area constantly for a month mixed in with random 12 hours flights back to America for things such as NASL and then MLG. Its just not something I enjoy at all and I would have put up with it were I able to at least visit home to recharge after GSTL.
I completely understand this. The flights alone would have ruined me. And I can also relate to the privacy issue.
GL at MLG.
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From what i understood it wasnt the practicing 12 hours a day or living in Korea part that Sheth didnt like - it was sharing a room with 10 other guys in close proximity that he couldnt accept. I can totally understand where he is coming from. Some people need thier private space - i am also like that.
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On July 11 2011 18:08 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 16:42 Jakkerr wrote:On July 11 2011 16:41 Sedz wrote:On July 11 2011 16:39 Tobberoth wrote:
After reading Sheths comments, I can understand all of them, except the one about learning korean. Learning a language is hard, it's not something you're going to do in 2 weeks or even 5 months. Being disappointed about that, especially when the only effort was to buy rosetta stone (which is a horrible way to learn a language, especially an eastern one) makes no sense at all. If you wanted to learn korean, you should have stopped with the progaming and gone to a language school in korea. It would still take at least a year before you could communicate on a comfortable level. Right so he's going to go to Korea with the intention of furthering his PROGAMING training, then stop Progaming so he could go to language school and learn Korean, effectively making the trip to Korea in the first place useless? Okay. Not everyone wants to practice 12 hours a day and do nothing else, some people also want to do something else with their lives and have more then 1 hobby  . No offense to those koreans, but practicing 12 hours a day and do absolutely nothing else so u can be the best isn't healthy. Actually the best sportsman around the world work and live like this. Do you think C. Ronaldo just watches TV the whole day? He practices shooting and other stuff even after the team practice is done.
Yes, but after his practice he returns to his own house. I'm sure that alot of people don't mind a lot of work / practise every day, but object to having to spend the rest of the day in a dorm-like environment without any privacy or opportunity to unwind on your own.
Which is exactly the point that Sheth was making in his post in this thread as he said that he wouldn't mind going back to Korea at some point to train in a progaming house, but live in his own place.
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I'm sorry that Sheth didn't feel comfortable in Korea, but it happens sometimes. Also, maybe someday he'll change his mind about it, after enough time passes to rethink. I support him in whatever he chooses anyway, and he already had announced that he's not planning to stay more than the one month, so it's not that surprising that he preferred not to go back for just a couple of weeks more.
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On July 11 2011 18:29 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 18:08 -Archangel- wrote:On July 11 2011 16:42 Jakkerr wrote:On July 11 2011 16:41 Sedz wrote:On July 11 2011 16:39 Tobberoth wrote:
After reading Sheths comments, I can understand all of them, except the one about learning korean. Learning a language is hard, it's not something you're going to do in 2 weeks or even 5 months. Being disappointed about that, especially when the only effort was to buy rosetta stone (which is a horrible way to learn a language, especially an eastern one) makes no sense at all. If you wanted to learn korean, you should have stopped with the progaming and gone to a language school in korea. It would still take at least a year before you could communicate on a comfortable level. Right so he's going to go to Korea with the intention of furthering his PROGAMING training, then stop Progaming so he could go to language school and learn Korean, effectively making the trip to Korea in the first place useless? Okay. Not everyone wants to practice 12 hours a day and do nothing else, some people also want to do something else with their lives and have more then 1 hobby . No offense to those koreans, but practicing 12 hours a day and do absolutely nothing else so u can be the best isn't healthy. Actually the best sportsman around the world work and live like this. Do you think C. Ronaldo just watches TV the whole day? He practices shooting and other stuff even after the team practice is done. Yes, but after his practice he returns to his own house. I'm sure that alot of people don't mind a lot of work / practise every day, but object to having to spend the rest of the day in a dorm-like environment without any privacy or opportunity to unwind on your own. Which is exactly the point that Sheth was making in his post in this thread as he said that he wouldn't mind going back to Korea at some point to train in a progaming house, but live in his own place.
Ronaldo might, but a ton of top top soccer players live abroad since the teams they play in for champions league etc isn't where they are from.
EDIT: Never mind, you mean the privacy issue and I definitely agree with you there.
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On July 11 2011 18:29 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 18:08 -Archangel- wrote:On July 11 2011 16:42 Jakkerr wrote:On July 11 2011 16:41 Sedz wrote:On July 11 2011 16:39 Tobberoth wrote:
After reading Sheths comments, I can understand all of them, except the one about learning korean. Learning a language is hard, it's not something you're going to do in 2 weeks or even 5 months. Being disappointed about that, especially when the only effort was to buy rosetta stone (which is a horrible way to learn a language, especially an eastern one) makes no sense at all. If you wanted to learn korean, you should have stopped with the progaming and gone to a language school in korea. It would still take at least a year before you could communicate on a comfortable level. Right so he's going to go to Korea with the intention of furthering his PROGAMING training, then stop Progaming so he could go to language school and learn Korean, effectively making the trip to Korea in the first place useless? Okay. Not everyone wants to practice 12 hours a day and do nothing else, some people also want to do something else with their lives and have more then 1 hobby . No offense to those koreans, but practicing 12 hours a day and do absolutely nothing else so u can be the best isn't healthy. Actually the best sportsman around the world work and live like this. Do you think C. Ronaldo just watches TV the whole day? He practices shooting and other stuff even after the team practice is done. Yes, but after his practice he returns to his own house. I'm sure that alot of people don't mind a lot of work / practise every day, but object to having to spend the rest of the day in a dorm-like environment without any privacy or opportunity to unwind on your own. Which is exactly the point that Sheth was making in his post in this thread as he said that he wouldn't mind going back to Korea at some point to train in a progaming house, but live in his own place.
Then he is in the wrong business. Korean model of training has been used for years and has been proven to work for producing best Starcraft players. If he is not ready to make sacrifices to be the best then he should just find a new path in life before it is too late (or earn money like Destiny and not care about progaming).
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Wow i am stunned, never thought he didnt like korea and the team house. Kind of sad for fxo that one of their best players cant support them in GSTL but hey, if it is better for sheth to practise at his own house than it is better for him and the team that he didnt come back. I am still rooting for fxo and sheth and hope he feels more comfortable now.
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its tuff over there in korea
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On July 11 2011 18:35 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 18:29 Rannasha wrote:On July 11 2011 18:08 -Archangel- wrote:On July 11 2011 16:42 Jakkerr wrote:On July 11 2011 16:41 Sedz wrote:On July 11 2011 16:39 Tobberoth wrote:
After reading Sheths comments, I can understand all of them, except the one about learning korean. Learning a language is hard, it's not something you're going to do in 2 weeks or even 5 months. Being disappointed about that, especially when the only effort was to buy rosetta stone (which is a horrible way to learn a language, especially an eastern one) makes no sense at all. If you wanted to learn korean, you should have stopped with the progaming and gone to a language school in korea. It would still take at least a year before you could communicate on a comfortable level. Right so he's going to go to Korea with the intention of furthering his PROGAMING training, then stop Progaming so he could go to language school and learn Korean, effectively making the trip to Korea in the first place useless? Okay. Not everyone wants to practice 12 hours a day and do nothing else, some people also want to do something else with their lives and have more then 1 hobby . No offense to those koreans, but practicing 12 hours a day and do absolutely nothing else so u can be the best isn't healthy. Actually the best sportsman around the world work and live like this. Do you think C. Ronaldo just watches TV the whole day? He practices shooting and other stuff even after the team practice is done. Yes, but after his practice he returns to his own house. I'm sure that alot of people don't mind a lot of work / practise every day, but object to having to spend the rest of the day in a dorm-like environment without any privacy or opportunity to unwind on your own. Which is exactly the point that Sheth was making in his post in this thread as he said that he wouldn't mind going back to Korea at some point to train in a progaming house, but live in his own place. Then he is in the wrong business. Korean model of training has been used for years and has been proven to work for producing best Starcraft players. If he is not ready to make sacrifices to be the best then he should just find a new path in life before it is too late (or earn money like Destiny and not care about progaming).
And how exactly is sleeping in the same, small room (quite probably with tiny beds) with the entire team beneficial? I'm not disputing the long training sessions with your practice partners / coach sitting right next to you for discussions. That's an essential part of the Korean model. The fact that everyone lives in the same house even outside training hours seems to be more a matter of convenience and financial reasons.
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awww thats to bad. I felt like Sheth really had the strongest showing out of the FXO members in Korea. hearts and smiley faces for you Sheth <3 You're my fav FXO member!
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On July 11 2011 18:09 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 18:07 JYN wrote:
This is very disappointing news. He is not only forgoing a rare opportunity to train with his team in Korea, but he is also abandoning his team in the GSTL as well as giving up his spot in the GSL Code A. Not to mention he is also bailing as the team's ace player and the team's best zerg coach/training partner.
Korea might be a difficult experience, but guess what?, Sheth's full time job is to be a professional gamer representing FXO. I am sure many of us have had to make sacrifices on our jobs and progaming should be no exception, especially if we want e-sports to be taken more seriously. I am sure if any of us pulled this on our jobs, we'd be cleaning our desks the very next day. Two weeks is certainly not enough and I can say that is was a disrespectful move to bail on the team especially after the organization flew him back to the US for NASL and I am sure booked a return ticket for him for Korea. Not many players have the privilege for that type of financial backing and I am sure none of this was a cheap investment.
I apologize for sounding a bit harsh in advance if Sheth had more severe reasons to not return to Korea, but the biggest loser is certainly the fans. Maybe Sheth isn't someone I should be rooting for. Looking forward to Naniwa, Thorzain, Fenix, and Sase in August. If your loyalty is swayed that easily you probably weren't a real fan to begin with.
Why should someone be a fan of someone who turns his back on his team and his fans?
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... less good foreigners in GSL/GSTL makes me cry.
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On July 11 2011 18:35 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 18:29 Rannasha wrote:On July 11 2011 18:08 -Archangel- wrote:On July 11 2011 16:42 Jakkerr wrote:On July 11 2011 16:41 Sedz wrote:On July 11 2011 16:39 Tobberoth wrote:
After reading Sheths comments, I can understand all of them, except the one about learning korean. Learning a language is hard, it's not something you're going to do in 2 weeks or even 5 months. Being disappointed about that, especially when the only effort was to buy rosetta stone (which is a horrible way to learn a language, especially an eastern one) makes no sense at all. If you wanted to learn korean, you should have stopped with the progaming and gone to a language school in korea. It would still take at least a year before you could communicate on a comfortable level. Right so he's going to go to Korea with the intention of furthering his PROGAMING training, then stop Progaming so he could go to language school and learn Korean, effectively making the trip to Korea in the first place useless? Okay. Not everyone wants to practice 12 hours a day and do nothing else, some people also want to do something else with their lives and have more then 1 hobby . No offense to those koreans, but practicing 12 hours a day and do absolutely nothing else so u can be the best isn't healthy. Actually the best sportsman around the world work and live like this. Do you think C. Ronaldo just watches TV the whole day? He practices shooting and other stuff even after the team practice is done. Yes, but after his practice he returns to his own house. I'm sure that alot of people don't mind a lot of work / practise every day, but object to having to spend the rest of the day in a dorm-like environment without any privacy or opportunity to unwind on your own. Which is exactly the point that Sheth was making in his post in this thread as he said that he wouldn't mind going back to Korea at some point to train in a progaming house, but live in his own place. Then he is in the wrong business. Korean model of training has been used for years and has been proven to work for producing best Starcraft players. If he is not ready to make sacrifices to be the best then he should just find a new path in life before it is too late (or earn money like Destiny and not care about progaming).
He didn't join FXO with the korean model in mind. Sheth has always said he prefers to stay in the US, I even recall him saying that if he won stuff in the US he could avoid being sent abroad.
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On July 11 2011 18:35 -Archangel- wrote:
Then he is in the wrong business. Korean model of training has been used for years and has been proven to work for producing best Starcraft players. If he is not ready to make sacrifices to be the best then he should just find a new path in life before it is too late (or earn money like Destiny and not care about progaming).
Lol. You heard it here first guys, if you're not willing to live in the equivalent of a cramped youth hostel, you're not cut out to be a progamer.
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Really wish I could have seen Sheth play some more, he's one of the best FXO players in my opinion. But you gotta do what makes you happy I guess
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Too bad Sheth although I understand.
Not to sound negative but the Korean model of practicing is hardcore and I feel it's a bit too hardcore for foreign players. Not to blame you guys, but some people want their privacy and can't play for 12 hours a day.
Gl in other events.
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On July 11 2011 18:35 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 18:29 Rannasha wrote:On July 11 2011 18:08 -Archangel- wrote:On July 11 2011 16:42 Jakkerr wrote:On July 11 2011 16:41 Sedz wrote:On July 11 2011 16:39 Tobberoth wrote:
After reading Sheths comments, I can understand all of them, except the one about learning korean. Learning a language is hard, it's not something you're going to do in 2 weeks or even 5 months. Being disappointed about that, especially when the only effort was to buy rosetta stone (which is a horrible way to learn a language, especially an eastern one) makes no sense at all. If you wanted to learn korean, you should have stopped with the progaming and gone to a language school in korea. It would still take at least a year before you could communicate on a comfortable level. Right so he's going to go to Korea with the intention of furthering his PROGAMING training, then stop Progaming so he could go to language school and learn Korean, effectively making the trip to Korea in the first place useless? Okay. Not everyone wants to practice 12 hours a day and do nothing else, some people also want to do something else with their lives and have more then 1 hobby . No offense to those koreans, but practicing 12 hours a day and do absolutely nothing else so u can be the best isn't healthy. Actually the best sportsman around the world work and live like this. Do you think C. Ronaldo just watches TV the whole day? He practices shooting and other stuff even after the team practice is done. Yes, but after his practice he returns to his own house. I'm sure that alot of people don't mind a lot of work / practise every day, but object to having to spend the rest of the day in a dorm-like environment without any privacy or opportunity to unwind on your own. Which is exactly the point that Sheth was making in his post in this thread as he said that he wouldn't mind going back to Korea at some point to train in a progaming house, but live in his own place. Then he is in the wrong business. Korean model of training has been used for years and has been proven to work for producing best Starcraft players. If he is not ready to make sacrifices to be the best then he should just find a new path in life before it is too late (or earn money like Destiny and not care about progaming).
I'm pretty sure having your own place does not contradict the Korean training model...
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On July 11 2011 18:45 papaz wrote:
Too bad Sheth although I understand.
Not to sound negative but the Korean model of practicing is hardcore and I feel it's a bit too hardcore for foreign players. Not to blame you guys, but some people want their privacy and can't play for 12 hours a day.
Gl in other events.
then just lose to all the koreans in all competitions if players are not willing to do the same sacrifices the koreans do then you just see them keep dominating all competitions
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On July 11 2011 18:45 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 18:35 -Archangel- wrote:On July 11 2011 18:29 Rannasha wrote:On July 11 2011 18:08 -Archangel- wrote:On July 11 2011 16:42 Jakkerr wrote:On July 11 2011 16:41 Sedz wrote:On July 11 2011 16:39 Tobberoth wrote:
After reading Sheths comments, I can understand all of them, except the one about learning korean. Learning a language is hard, it's not something you're going to do in 2 weeks or even 5 months. Being disappointed about that, especially when the only effort was to buy rosetta stone (which is a horrible way to learn a language, especially an eastern one) makes no sense at all. If you wanted to learn korean, you should have stopped with the progaming and gone to a language school in korea. It would still take at least a year before you could communicate on a comfortable level. Right so he's going to go to Korea with the intention of furthering his PROGAMING training, then stop Progaming so he could go to language school and learn Korean, effectively making the trip to Korea in the first place useless? Okay. Not everyone wants to practice 12 hours a day and do nothing else, some people also want to do something else with their lives and have more then 1 hobby . No offense to those koreans, but practicing 12 hours a day and do absolutely nothing else so u can be the best isn't healthy. Actually the best sportsman around the world work and live like this. Do you think C. Ronaldo just watches TV the whole day? He practices shooting and other stuff even after the team practice is done. Yes, but after his practice he returns to his own house. I'm sure that alot of people don't mind a lot of work / practise every day, but object to having to spend the rest of the day in a dorm-like environment without any privacy or opportunity to unwind on your own. Which is exactly the point that Sheth was making in his post in this thread as he said that he wouldn't mind going back to Korea at some point to train in a progaming house, but live in his own place. Then he is in the wrong business. Korean model of training has been used for years and has been proven to work for producing best Starcraft players. If he is not ready to make sacrifices to be the best then he should just find a new path in life before it is too late (or earn money like Destiny and not care about progaming). I'm pretty sure having your own place does not contradict the Korean training model...
pretty sure for the vast majority of players except a handful the korean training model has been living in a team house with alot of guys with no privacy and playing for 10-12 hrs a day....and id assume when training is done youd mostly talk abouit sc2....
edit: and sheth leaving imo its not a big deal and i understand it, maybe he thought he could have handled it better.....but i just find it odd that captains in sports are expected to be the role model and sacrifice for their team and have to be dragged away from there team even if they're injured to get them to leave them but in esports teams really dont seem to have the same dedication to each other.
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