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On July 11 2011 18:45 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 18:35 -Archangel- wrote:On July 11 2011 18:29 Rannasha wrote:On July 11 2011 18:08 -Archangel- wrote:On July 11 2011 16:42 Jakkerr wrote:On July 11 2011 16:41 Sedz wrote:On July 11 2011 16:39 Tobberoth wrote:
After reading Sheths comments, I can understand all of them, except the one about learning korean. Learning a language is hard, it's not something you're going to do in 2 weeks or even 5 months. Being disappointed about that, especially when the only effort was to buy rosetta stone (which is a horrible way to learn a language, especially an eastern one) makes no sense at all. If you wanted to learn korean, you should have stopped with the progaming and gone to a language school in korea. It would still take at least a year before you could communicate on a comfortable level. Right so he's going to go to Korea with the intention of furthering his PROGAMING training, then stop Progaming so he could go to language school and learn Korean, effectively making the trip to Korea in the first place useless? Okay. Not everyone wants to practice 12 hours a day and do nothing else, some people also want to do something else with their lives and have more then 1 hobby  . No offense to those koreans, but practicing 12 hours a day and do absolutely nothing else so u can be the best isn't healthy. Actually the best sportsman around the world work and live like this. Do you think C. Ronaldo just watches TV the whole day? He practices shooting and other stuff even after the team practice is done. Yes, but after his practice he returns to his own house. I'm sure that alot of people don't mind a lot of work / practise every day, but object to having to spend the rest of the day in a dorm-like environment without any privacy or opportunity to unwind on your own. Which is exactly the point that Sheth was making in his post in this thread as he said that he wouldn't mind going back to Korea at some point to train in a progaming house, but live in his own place. Then he is in the wrong business. Korean model of training has been used for years and has been proven to work for producing best Starcraft players. If he is not ready to make sacrifices to be the best then he should just find a new path in life before it is too late (or earn money like Destiny and not care about progaming). I'm pretty sure having your own place does not contradict the Korean training model...
No, but it's a small price to pay for getting to be in the best environment.
If Ronaldo didn't have a choice but to stay in those environments, of course he would. What do you think minor league baseball/football/basketball players do? And being homesick is a short term problem. Do you remember when you were kids and your parents sent you off to sleepover camp? Some kids cry and want to go home, but it's better if they stay.
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On July 11 2011 19:10 snailz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 18:49 djfoxmccloud wrote:
Well, if you can't commit to one thing for a month in your life, especially if it is your job, then you won't go far in life i guess...
I don't want to bash on Sheth or anyone, but one month in a life is nothing. this, million time this. i like sheth more than any FXO player, to be honest. to see him this weak-minded and borderline unprofessional is like getting stabbed with a knife right through the heart. -1 fan, sheth.
are you both really so stupid or are you trolling? sheth is doing the best for himself. His life in korea hasn't been as he expected so he goes back to the US to keep on practicing the best way he can. "-1 fan" is just plain stupid
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i love sheth and will continue to be a fan but as a person who has dedicated himself to a passion/career choice i find it a little sad that after only 2 weeks sheth has decided to go home 
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<3 sheth
Too bad about the Korean experience; but that's why you go and try it out, right? Looking forward to seeing you smash face in Anaheim.
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this is not surprising , sheths nerves always get the better of him .
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i kind of got this vibe from him during and interview with him a week or so ago. good luck to you sheth!
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Can't understand the hate.
If he has a hard time living with 10 other people and it's influencing his games in a bad way, then this is just a wise desision.
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isn't there like college dorms in the west where students live together in the same room?
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Seriously ? staying few weeks away from home is too hard ?
I honestly can't respect that kind of things, it's been two years that I'm away from home ...
clearly not a fan anymore.
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On July 11 2011 19:30 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
isn't there like college dorms in the west where students live together in the same room?
its only 2 per room tho but its very cramped yes.
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On July 11 2011 19:21 Falcor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 19:12 -Archangel- wrote:On July 11 2011 18:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:On July 11 2011 18:35 -Archangel- wrote:
Then he is in the wrong business. Korean model of training has been used for years and has been proven to work for producing best Starcraft players. If he is not ready to make sacrifices to be the best then he should just find a new path in life before it is too late (or earn money like Destiny and not care about progaming). Lol. You heard it here first guys, if you're not willing to live in the equivalent of a cramped youth hostel, you're not cut out to be a progamer. When SC2 progamers get payed big salaries so they can affort their own apartments and cars to get them to the training place it will stay like this. For now with the amount of money that is invested into Starcraft and players this is they way it was found to work. And if you still think I am wrong please give me an example of a non-korean that went far in their first GSL run? I respect you as a commentator and a esports celebrity but this time you are letting your feelings trump logic. Even then idk if koreans would change...i bet with a mindset of "We need to give up a lot. We need to give up everything that belongs to ourselves, only then can you becomes rank 1, 2. I too gave up everything before coming here. I haven’t even thought about getting a girlfriend. I don’t even see my friends often, only occasionally during holidays. Every day is practice." - flash its going to take more then money to change that(then again flashes team has a dorm and they travel to their practice house).
Well maybe even with enough money to have your own place and car it would still be superior to stay in a team house. Like most things in life, it comes down to how much are you willing to sacrifice to get to your goal
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On July 11 2011 19:30 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
isn't there like college dorms in the west where students live together in the same room?
Well be careful to use "the west", because this only happens very rarely in the Netherlands for example. We usually got our own rooms as students, sharing bathroom/kitchen and sometimes a living room.
I really don't get all the people saying they're not a fan anymore. Although I wouldn't consider myself a Sheth-fan and only watch his stream every now and again, I knew he was both excited and anxious to go to Korea, but also really feared missing his friends and family. So as a real "fan" you should at least know that.
Sheth took a chance for an adventure and found out it's nothing for him. He kept true to himself and instead of doing what he "should" do, he chose to do what just felt right and go home. What would be the use of a very stressed and unhappy Sheth in Korea? Noone would really benefit from that and it would even "hurt" Sheth.
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On July 11 2011 19:13 mdb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 19:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:On July 11 2011 18:59 Falcor wrote:
lol nice always working on your community relations i see. I really don't need to keep up relations with dumb people who don't think before they post and are so quick to board the hate-express against someone who has done nothing but good things for Starcraft 2. Who are you to call people dumb? Honestly, your replies dont leave the impression that you are super intelligent either.
If blindly going after higher profile community members is what it takes to be thought of as intelligent by mdb then please forgive me if I don't show much concern for your opinion.
There are some downright hateful remarks in this thread and Sheth has done nothing to deserve them.
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On July 11 2011 19:24 Tofugrinder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 19:10 snailz wrote:On July 11 2011 18:49 djfoxmccloud wrote:
Well, if you can't commit to one thing for a month in your life, especially if it is your job, then you won't go far in life i guess...
I don't want to bash on Sheth or anyone, but one month in a life is nothing. this, million time this. i like sheth more than any FXO player, to be honest. to see him this weak-minded and borderline unprofessional is like getting stabbed with a knife right through the heart. -1 fan, sheth. are you both really so stupid or are you trolling? sheth is doing the best for himself. His life in korea hasn't been as he expected so he goes back to the US to keep on practicing the best way he can. "-1 fan" is just plain stupid
first of, dont start the conversation with calling someone stupid. it's rude in general, shows your mother didn't raise you right, and really lowers the chances of you getting a honest reply (if you were ever even asking for one)
also, don't end the conversation with calling someone stupid. once was enough.
to reply: "-1 fan" is an expression that translates bad into english, so what? use your deduction, obviously it is meant to criticise his dedication. he went last to korea, returned first, abandoned his team which he was captain of, and even gave up Code A spot just because all of it was, what, inconvinient?
how many of us sacrificed for a job, worked 9+ hours and didnt get paid proprely, watched our social life whiter like a sad waterless plant because of all the commitments and deadlines we had to meet? why is being a >professional< gamer easier than that? why do we support players taking the easy roads, when nobody gives us same courtesy in real life? sheth can do what is best for sheth, ofcourse. he did it, and calls it "dick move". when u do a "dick move" in your profession, you loose clients, profit, deals. so why is he any better then the rest of us?
sacrifice, rewards, glory.
also, this guy reply was ok. TotalBiscuit called someone dumb even tho it was totally uncalled for, so it relates to you calling me stupid, twice - even though you had no idea who are you talking to, nor do i know for sure that you're not some teen without manners insulting people for fun because internet provides you anonimity.
On July 11 2011 19:13 mdb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 19:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:On July 11 2011 18:59 Falcor wrote:
lol nice always working on your community relations i see. I really don't need to keep up relations with dumb people who don't think before they post and are so quick to board the hate-express against someone who has done nothing but good things for Starcraft 2. Who are you to call people dumb? Honestly, your replies dont leave the impression that you are super intelligent either. You cannot support blindly anything that happens in the scene. I want to see dedication, hard work and overcoming all the difficulties. That is what will make me be a fan of certain player. People like Grrr, Elky, Nazgul didnt quit and thats why they are all respected from the community. Not to mention how good they were at the game. We can see the same with Huk and Jinro with SC2.
i hope i made myself clear...
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I respect your decision Sheth, you're the only one who knows what's the best environnement for you.
Still rooting for the manner Zerg.
Sheth fighting <3
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I don't know why people would be hateful. Truth be told I can't respect a person who can't even adjust to new living environments. Plus he's really let his team hung out to dry and basically abandoned them.
However, it's ultimately his choice and it's not like he's personally wronged me, so I don't feel any animosity towards him. People should chill out and move on.
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I think a lot of us are silly to judge Sheth when we may not know the whole picture.
MLG is in a few weeks, and I am sure Sheth will be as prepared as possible and do the best he can. Sheth is a great guy, very mannered, polite, and a hell of a player. For anyone to say "not a fan anymore" or anything along those lines means you probably weren't much of a fan in the first place. If your a Sheth fan, support him for making the decision he made, which I am sure wasn't an easy one.
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lol really people hating on him for making a decision about his own life and his own future...
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I guess korea is not meant for sheth .. ( only kimchi .. no burger (unless burger with kimchi counts) )
Sheth GL in future!!
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Sheth is doing what is best for himself, why are people hating on him for that?
<3 sheth
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