EPTSheth not returning to Korea from NASL - Page 14
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HeIios
Sweden2523 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On July 11 2011 19:57 lahey wrote: progamers earn respect with hard work and determination, progamers ''should'' earn fans by hard work and determination, sheth should seriously consider just becoming a streamer like destiny if he can't handle being in a pro gaming house with 10 other people desperately trying to become the best gamers they can be How about he can be a progamer based on his merit as a player rather than his choice of accomodation? If he can't compete outside of a training house environment, then that's his own problem and it will show in his results. nobody is attacking him as a person (he's still one of the nicest guys out there), rather as a professional. even he wrote (page 3) that what he did was a dick move. why are you so angry? p.s. you remind me of InControl before NASL, you should reallly pay more attention to your community interaction being a high profile caster. it's a big audience out there, forum flaming days should be reserved for smurf TL accounts I think I know better how to handle my image than you do, let's be honest. If I didn't, I doubt I'd still be in my line of work. If defending nice, manner guys who've done nothing but good things from some screeching good-for-nothing haters is wrong, I don't want to be right. | ||
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
He probably has his reasons. It would be nice though to read a personal statement of why he decided not to return. I hope it's sth. else beside that he didn't like it that much from a personal point of view. Sometimes the best place to be for your career is not necessarily the place that you feel most comfortable personally to be at. That sounds harsh but it is unfortunately true. At the end of the day everybody has to make that decision for himself. I think Huk has shown what you can achieve by dedicating yourself to SC2 in Korea. But that is probably not for everybody. | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
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VTJRaen
United Kingdom238 Posts
In the end, Sheth has to do what is best for his mental state and his career, if this is what he needs then people should support that like his team is. | ||
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Charon1979
Austria317 Posts
Would you prefer I call it "fucking stupid hate"? Blind seemed more diplomatic and indeed more accurate, since as always, these people know very little about the thing they're attacking. Today is Witchhunt day it would seem when it comes to nice people in this community. Who's next, Sean Plott? I think you have to make a difference between "hate" torwards a nice person and criticism torwards a professional sportsman. If the soccerteam captain and one of the best players states "I didnt like travelling with 30 ppl in a bus an living in hotels for the next 2 months, so i will go home tomorrow" during a season, i dont think that ppl will say "ooh.... but he is such a nice guy!" He is a professional player and acting like this is not very professional. I actually can understand his decicion and im with him (cause i had to live 2 months in uganda because of my company and i hated it). If he cant live with the current situation, he shouldnt have to. But calling all critisism "blind hate" isnt really productive either. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On July 11 2011 20:04 Charon1979 wrote: But calling all critisism "blind hate" isnt really productive either. That's a big assumption. At no point did I call all criticism "blind hate". | ||
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Grend
1600 Posts
On July 11 2011 19:53 TotalBiscuit wrote: Would you prefer I call it "fucking stupid hate"? Blind seemed more diplomatic and indeed more accurate, since as always, these people know very little about the thing they're attacking. Today is Witchhunt day it would seem when it comes to nice people in this community. Who's next, Sean Plott? Stop misusing the word hate. What people are writing in this thread is not even close to hate. I really like Sheth, but I do not like this decision. Do I hate Sheth because of this? Some people are a bit disappointed, that is not hate. And why do you have to try instigate constantly? It is hardly surprising that a decision like this would garner at least a few negative reactions, but still most replies here are very supportive towards Sheth. Respect that people have differing opinions and stop trying making drama please. | ||
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HuK
Canada1591 Posts
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lahey
United States41 Posts
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RubiksCube
Germany259 Posts
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
I really would like to see him taking more games off Koreans, but what he did so far is great already. | ||
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PlosionCornu
Italy814 Posts
On July 11 2011 20:00 FlyingDJ wrote: Korean training is effective because they put in unrivalled hours. I am sceptical if it is efficient though, so "best" is not an attribute I'd give it easily. If you say you can only succeed like the Koreans do when you ditch your family and private life to a large extent, something is wrong. Results don't lie man, plus, you have to sacrifice a lot if you want to succeed. For example I'd have to say goodbye to everyone if I were to become a professional computer programmer, because I'd need to go and live abroad(maybe in India) , in order to study, since my country does not offer the formation I need. Same with US(or anything else) vs Korea. Besides, I've implied that at THIS time it's the only way to become the best, yes it may be inefficient, but noone invented a better method yet. | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On July 11 2011 19:59 grs wrote: Can you imagine that things work out different than you thought they would? What if I take your example with all the best intentions and after I have been there see, that I simply can't bear it? Don't you think it would hurt me enough already that I would have to give up without keyboard heroes jumping on me? Did you not even read my first sentence? I said the living conditions are not a secret. Heck, TLO went through the same thing when he left Korea. | ||
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joshboy42
Australia116 Posts
To those saying sheth 'gave up' after only 2 weeks, consider the fact that sheth never really wanted to go to korea in the first place, it took a lot of convincing for him to even go there when he's been telling fxoboss he thinks he can make just as much of a living off pro-gaming in america. | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On July 11 2011 20:01 TotalBiscuit wrote: If defending nice, manner guys who've done nothing but good things from some screeching good-for-nothing haters is wrong, I don't want to be right. but nobody is attacking the "nice, manner guy" that Sheth is. nobody is saying he is not "nice", and that he didnt do "good things for the community". people are sad because he didn't last three weeks in a most professional enviroment there is: South Korea. and people REALLY want to see >good< foreigners succed, which Sheth is (one of the rare naturals). so it hurts more, and brings out harsh(er than perhaps needed) criticsm. it's like loosing Gareth Bale to injury at season start, even tho he's one of those young guys that can go up there with the best and change thing for his team (foreign scene) you calling people that don't agree with you "screeching good-for nothing haters" is just uncalled for. | ||
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MrProb
Thailand794 Posts
On July 11 2011 20:09 RubiksCube wrote: Anyone here talking about "commitment" for something that is your job should go ahead and actually live thousands of miles from their home, family and friends for more than 1 month or shut the hell up. i had to abandon almost everything in Thailand to come and live here in US with my mom eventho i didnt want to AT ALL but i still did it for the sake of my mom and my own responsibilities. I broke up with my gf, i lost my easy earning job there, my friends, foods, life style etc. basically everything, now im working 6days a week and barely live what ppl called a "life" | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On July 11 2011 20:07 Grend wrote: Stop misusing the word hate. What people are writing in this thread is not even close to hate. I really like Sheth, but I do not like this decision. Do I hate Sheth because of this? Some people are a bit disappointed, that is not hate. There is plenty of hate, unless all you want to do is selectively read this thread And why do you have to try instigate constantly? It is hardly surprising that a decision like this would garner at least a few negative reactions, but still most replies here are very supportive towards Sheth. Respect that people have differing opinions and stop trying making drama please. If I wasn't me, you wouldn't be typing this, so I have to wonder who is really stirring drama here. you calling people that don't agree with you "screeching good-for nothing haters" is just uncalled for Once again, a strawman fallacy. It is the manner in which people convey their opinions that makes them either reasonable, or dumb haters. Don't accuse me of things when it's an interpretation problem on your end please. | ||
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lahey
United States41 Posts
On July 11 2011 20:01 TotalBiscuit wrote: How about he can be a progamer based on his merit as a player rather than his choice of accomodation? If he can't compete outside of a training house environment, then that's his own problem and it will show in his results. I think I know better how to handle my image than you do, let's be honest. If I didn't, I doubt I'd still be in my line of work. If defending nice, manner guys who've done nothing but good things from some screeching good-for-nothing haters is wrong, I don't want to be right. Sheth ABANDONED his team in Korea. Sheth KNEW he would be in an apartment with 10 other players. Whether he puts smileys in his GG's or not what he did was EXTREMELY disrespectful, and looking upon it with anything but disgust just shows what kind of mentality you have. /thread | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 11 2011 20:00 FlyingDJ wrote: Korean training is effective because they put in unrivalled hours. I am sceptical if it is efficient though, so "best" is not an attribute I'd give it easily. If you say you can only succeed like the Koreans do when you ditch your family and private life to a large extent, something is wrong. In short burst, 10-12 hours a day is effective. But over the course of several months, unless the *only* thing that's important in SC2 is rote practice, then, yes, the Korean method would be better. But reading about how they do it, it strikes me they're putting too much time in and limiting the effective practice. Also, there's a *big* drop off in effectiveness after 7 hours at any task. So, it calls into question how much utility there is in those extra hours. The team that merges a coach with a part-time map maker to train specific skills, for a few hours a day, for each player will probably see a huge benefit. Each player has things they obviously need to work on, so just "play more games" isn't exactly the best help and you're not necessarily working on the specific things that are needed. | ||
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