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On July 11 2011 20:13 MrProb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 20:09 RubiksCube wrote:
Anyone here talking about "commitment" for something that is your job should go ahead and actually live thousands of miles from their home, family and friends for more than 1 month or shut the hell up. i had to abandon almost everything in Thailand to come and live here in US with my mom eventho i didnt want to AT ALL but i still did it for the sake of my mom and my own responsibilities. I broke up with my gf, i lost my easy earning job there, my friends, foods, life style etc. basically everything, now im working 6days a week and barely live what ppl called a "life"
Yea. Your point? Now imagine all that but without your mom and you get the situation sheth was in.
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On July 11 2011 20:09 RubiksCube wrote:
Anyone here talking about "commitment" for something that is your job should go ahead and actually live thousands of miles from their home, family and friends for more than 1 month or shut the hell up.
slept on a floor, in a terrible neighbourhood for 8 months while starting to train in a new city, with no way to see my family or friends for long stretches at a time (months)
so, am i allowed to comment?
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On July 11 2011 20:14 lahey wrote:
looking upon it with anything but disgust just shows what kind of mentality you have. /thread
That mentality is called being a reasonable human-being.
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He's not the first to do something like this and he won't be the last. You have to do what's right for you and there's no reason not to respect his decision.
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Sheth 
Living with 10 other guys in an appartment in a foreign country are not the best conditions for everyone and I think everybody should respect that.
GL to FXO in the future!
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There's nothing wrong with Sheth's decision, since yeah, it's HIS own decision. But with this mentality, unfortunately, you won't be able to compete with the koreans in the long run.
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On July 11 2011 20:14 lahey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 20:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:On July 11 2011 19:57 lahey wrote:
progamers earn respect with hard work and determination, progamers ''should'' earn fans by hard work and determination, sheth should seriously consider just becoming a streamer like destiny if he can't handle being in a pro gaming house with 10 other people desperately trying to become the best gamers they can be How about he can be a progamer based on his merit as a player rather than his choice of accomodation? If he can't compete outside of a training house environment, then that's his own problem and it will show in his results. nobody is attacking him as a person (he's still one of the nicest guys out there), rather as a professional. even he wrote (page 3) that what he did was a dick move. why are you so angry?
p.s. you remind me of InControl before NASL, you should reallly pay more attention to your community interaction being a high profile caster. it's a big audience out there, forum flaming days should be reserved for smurf TL accounts I think I know better how to handle my image than you do, let's be honest. If I didn't, I doubt I'd still be in my line of work. If defending nice, manner guys who've done nothing but good things from some screeching good-for-nothing haters is wrong, I don't want to be right. Sheth ABANDONED his team in Korea. Sheth KNEW he would be in an apartment with 10 other players. Whether he puts smileys in his GG's or not what he did was EXTREMELY disrespectful, and looking upon it with anything but disgust just shows what kind of mentality you have. /thread
Dude, seriously, get off. Sheth has obviously been talking with BoSs about this for a while (Boss hinted at this). He didn't abandon his team. Was going to NASL finals abandoning his team as well? You're an idiot.
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On July 11 2011 20:15 RubiksCube wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 20:13 MrProb wrote:On July 11 2011 20:09 RubiksCube wrote:
Anyone here talking about "commitment" for something that is your job should go ahead and actually live thousands of miles from their home, family and friends for more than 1 month or shut the hell up. i had to abandon almost everything in Thailand to come and live here in US with my mom eventho i didnt want to AT ALL but i still did it for the sake of my mom and my own responsibilities. I broke up with my gf, i lost my easy earning job there, my friends, foods, life style etc. basically everything, now im working 6days a week and barely live what ppl called a "life" Yea. Your point? Now imagine all that but without your mom and you get the situation sheth was in.
lol bro... i dont get along well with my mom. I barely speak with her, i never say hi to her.
Now imagine when you come back from work and see your mom then you just walk into your room like noones there 
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My only question is :
What is the purpose of this thread if we can't give our opinion ?
Is it a thread just to say : Hey nice Sheth glad you left korea !! If so, juste make a thread, type a template and we can all copy paste it and post it.
People are just giving their opinion. no one said that Sheth is a bad player or else. I don't understand why everything has to be black or white and not a shade of gray !!
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On July 11 2011 20:10 PlosionCornu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 20:00 FlyingDJ wrote:On July 11 2011 19:56 PlosionCornu wrote:
Well, I consider Korean Training the best (and to this day, the only) way to become the best players on the scene, and I'm sure I'm not the only one on this very same page.
Just like some other "professions" it requires a big sacrifice to be made(family, friends, etc), in order to be pursued to the fullest.
The point how you define the profession of the progamer, people who still think it's some part time hobby (which it can be, don't get me wrong) are not willing to make such high sacrifices, other people want more, and want to give everything to become the absolute best, thus, they forsake what their life has been up until that moment.
It boils down to how one wants the game to influence his life. It's the same decision between "i want to do this forever" or "just for the time being, no worries".
Many jobs require people to decide on such important matters, if you think a bit about it.
Korean training is effective because they put in unrivalled hours. I am sceptical if it is efficient though, so "best" is not an attribute I'd give it easily. If you say you can only succeed like the Koreans do when you ditch your family and private life to a large extent, something is wrong. Results don't lie man, plus, you have to sacrifice a lot if you want to succeed. For example I'd have to say goodbye to everyone if I were to become a professional computer programmer, because I'd need to go and live abroad(maybe in India) , in order to study, since my country does not offer the formation I need. Same with US(or anything else) vs Korea. Besides, I've implied that at THIS time it's the only way to become the best, yes it may be inefficient, but noone invented a better method yet.
Yes, it works, but I doubt it is the only way. I find it a dangerous development when more and more Koreans are going abroad for tournament and the implications are that all other nationalities must give up their lives to esports to compete. We're talking young people here, sacrificing an education and unlike professional sports players, not making the amounts of money to catch up on it when it's over. And they can play all day because unlike physical sports, there's little exhaustion, so that barrier is gone.
I have actually written an article about this and I am being backed up by scientists who have done research in that field. Too much practice can hurt your performance. There is almost no proper research on effective esports training, which I consider a huge deficit. I am sure there are efficient ways to practice that do not involve 12 hour days, seven days a week.
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On July 11 2011 20:14 lahey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 20:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:On July 11 2011 19:57 lahey wrote:
progamers earn respect with hard work and determination, progamers ''should'' earn fans by hard work and determination, sheth should seriously consider just becoming a streamer like destiny if he can't handle being in a pro gaming house with 10 other people desperately trying to become the best gamers they can be How about he can be a progamer based on his merit as a player rather than his choice of accomodation? If he can't compete outside of a training house environment, then that's his own problem and it will show in his results. nobody is attacking him as a person (he's still one of the nicest guys out there), rather as a professional. even he wrote (page 3) that what he did was a dick move. why are you so angry?
p.s. you remind me of InControl before NASL, you should reallly pay more attention to your community interaction being a high profile caster. it's a big audience out there, forum flaming days should be reserved for smurf TL accounts I think I know better how to handle my image than you do, let's be honest. If I didn't, I doubt I'd still be in my line of work. If defending nice, manner guys who've done nothing but good things from some screeching good-for-nothing haters is wrong, I don't want to be right. Sheth ABANDONED his team in Korea. Sheth KNEW he would be in an apartment with 10 other players. Whether he puts smileys in his GG's or not what he did was EXTREMELY disrespectful, and looking upon it with anything but disgust just shows what kind of mentality you have. /thread
I'm sorry mate, but I can't look upon your mentality here with anything but disgust. To be disapointed in his decision, because of the result (not getting to see Sheth play in the GSL) is perfectly reasonable. To take a leap from there and begin to criticize his decision in such an offensive and hurtful manner, a very personal decision at that, is about as much arrogance as I can take.
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On July 11 2011 20:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:
The team that merges a coach with a part-time map maker to train specific skills, for a few hours a day, for each player will probably see a huge benefit. Each player has things they obviously need to work on, so just "play more games" isn't exactly the best help and you're not necessarily working on the specific things that are needed.
That is a great suggestion and I hope it is something at least Western teams and organisations will consider at some point.
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On July 11 2011 20:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 20:14 lahey wrote:
looking upon it with anything but disgust just shows what kind of mentality you have. /thread That mentality is called being a reasonable human-being.
I am sorry but you are confusing reasonable with weak and feeble-minded.
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On July 11 2011 19:51 Ingebrigtsen wrote:Sheth is doing what is best for himself, why are people hating on him for that? <3 sheth
Maybe best for himself, but disrespect to gomtv, his teammates, and his fans.
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On July 11 2011 20:21 lahey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 20:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:On July 11 2011 20:14 lahey wrote:
looking upon it with anything but disgust just shows what kind of mentality you have. /thread That mentality is called being a reasonable human-being. I am sorry but you are confusing reasonable with weak and feeble-minded.
I'll have to bow to your experience on this one since you seem to be such a practiced expert in both.
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On July 11 2011 20:20 Anzekay wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 20:14 lahey wrote:On July 11 2011 20:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:On July 11 2011 19:57 lahey wrote:
progamers earn respect with hard work and determination, progamers ''should'' earn fans by hard work and determination, sheth should seriously consider just becoming a streamer like destiny if he can't handle being in a pro gaming house with 10 other people desperately trying to become the best gamers they can be How about he can be a progamer based on his merit as a player rather than his choice of accomodation? If he can't compete outside of a training house environment, then that's his own problem and it will show in his results. nobody is attacking him as a person (he's still one of the nicest guys out there), rather as a professional. even he wrote (page 3) that what he did was a dick move. why are you so angry?
p.s. you remind me of InControl before NASL, you should reallly pay more attention to your community interaction being a high profile caster. it's a big audience out there, forum flaming days should be reserved for smurf TL accounts I think I know better how to handle my image than you do, let's be honest. If I didn't, I doubt I'd still be in my line of work. If defending nice, manner guys who've done nothing but good things from some screeching good-for-nothing haters is wrong, I don't want to be right. Sheth ABANDONED his team in Korea. Sheth KNEW he would be in an apartment with 10 other players. Whether he puts smileys in his GG's or not what he did was EXTREMELY disrespectful, and looking upon it with anything but disgust just shows what kind of mentality you have. /thread I'm sorry mate, but I can't look upon your mentality here with anything but disgust. To be disapointed in his decision, because of the result (not getting to see Sheth play in the GSL) is perfectly reasonable. To take a leap from there and begin to criticize his decision in such an offensive and hurtful manner, a very personal decision at that, is about as much arrogance as I can take.
I am not disapointed that I did not get to see Sheth play in the gsl, he already lost his matches in code a, although he did have some matches remaining in the GSTL, where he WAS the captain of his team, the best player on the team, and now the only player not WITH the team.
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On July 11 2011 20:19 djfoxmccloud wrote:
My only question is :
What is the purpose of this thread if we can't give our opinion ?
Is it a thread just to say : Hey nice Sheth glad you left korea !! If so, juste make a thread, type a template and we can all copy paste it and post it.
People are just giving their opinion. no one said that Sheth is a bad player or else. I don't understand why everything has to be black or white and not a shade of gray !!
"Well, that sucks, I was hoping to see Sheth in GSTL" = proper criticism
"Sheth not going back to Korea for 2 WEEKS IS AN AFRONT TO THE EXISTANCE OF MAN AND HE SHOULD BE PUNISHED BY GOD" = Not proper criticism/opinion.
Too many in the 2nd category.
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We need more players with determination like IdrA in his Broodwar days. There were so much good BW-players... I remember Draco. He was a fucking beast and in my opinion easily one of the best players in broodwar (foreign) ever, but he was such a crybaby so he didn't make it in Korea.
Also Blackman was as fucking beast. If you go to Korea I guess you know the conditions.. guess its better for Sheth if he doesnt like it, so gl to him.
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On July 11 2011 20:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 20:21 lahey wrote:On July 11 2011 20:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:On July 11 2011 20:14 lahey wrote:
looking upon it with anything but disgust just shows what kind of mentality you have. /thread That mentality is called being a reasonable human-being. I am sorry but you are confusing reasonable with weak and feeble-minded. I'll have to bow to your experience on this one since you seem to be such a practiced expert in both.
good choice chubs
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It really does suck for the team though, definitely. Sheth is the captain of FXO, and he's not even there to help his team out. He could have at least lasted a few more weeks, just for the sake of his team. :S
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