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JoeAWESOME
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden1080 Posts
July 11 2011 11:25 GMT
#301
I wish the best of luck to you Sheth! Hopefully you can bring the Korean training regime to your home and practice like a boss!

Now Smash some nerd-faces!
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MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
July 11 2011 11:26 GMT
#302
On July 11 2011 20:24 mTw|NarutO wrote:
We need more players with determination like IdrA in his Broodwar days. There were so much good BW-players... I remember Draco. He was a fucking beast and in my opinion easily one of the best players in broodwar (foreign) ever, but he was such a crybaby so he didn't make it in Korea.

Also Blackman was as fucking beast. If you go to Korea I guess you know the conditions.. guess its better for Sheth if he doesnt like it, so gl to him.

But I thought Idra didn't have the eye of the tiger lol.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 11:26:25
July 11 2011 11:26 GMT
#303
On July 11 2011 20:25 lahey wrote:

good choice chubs


The thing about excess weight is that it can be dropped. The problem with your excess stupidity is you tend to be lumbered with it for life.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
July 11 2011 11:27 GMT
#304
On July 11 2011 20:19 FlyingDJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 20:10 PlosionCornu wrote:
On July 11 2011 20:00 FlyingDJ wrote:
On July 11 2011 19:56 PlosionCornu wrote:
Well, I consider Korean Training the best (and to this day, the only) way to become the best players on the scene, and I'm sure I'm not the only one on this very same page.

Just like some other "professions" it requires a big sacrifice to be made(family, friends, etc), in order to be pursued to the fullest.

The point how you define the profession of the progamer, people who still think it's some part time hobby (which it can be, don't get me wrong) are not willing to make such high sacrifices, other people want more, and want to give everything to become the absolute best, thus, they forsake what their life has been up until that moment.

It boils down to how one wants the game to influence his life. It's the same decision between "i want to do this forever" or "just for the time being, no worries".

Many jobs require people to decide on such important matters, if you think a bit about it.



Korean training is effective because they put in unrivalled hours. I am sceptical if it is efficient though, so "best" is not an attribute I'd give it easily. If you say you can only succeed like the Koreans do when you ditch your family and private life to a large extent, something is wrong.



Results don't lie man, plus, you have to sacrifice a lot if you want to succeed.

For example I'd have to say goodbye to everyone if I were to become a professional computer programmer, because I'd need to go and live abroad(maybe in India) , in order to study, since my country does not offer the formation I need. Same with US(or anything else) vs Korea.

Besides, I've implied that at THIS time it's the only way to become the best, yes it may be inefficient, but noone invented a better method yet.


Yes, it works, but I doubt it is the only way. I find it a dangerous development when more and more Koreans are going abroad for tournament and the implications are that all other nationalities must give up their lives to esports to compete. We're talking young people here, sacrificing an education and unlike professional sports players, not making the amounts of money to catch up on it when it's over. And they can play all day because unlike physical sports, there's little exhaustion, so that barrier is gone.

How do you think professional sports got to where they are today? The first pro footballers were just factory workers dedicating all their spare time to something else, barely making any money off of it.
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Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
July 11 2011 11:27 GMT
#305
I'm not in a position to make any judgement about Sheth's decision.

However, this kind of thing is exactly why the foreigner scene is falling behind. More power to the rest of the FXO guys in Korea, you can do it bros!
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
Anzekay
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia63 Posts
July 11 2011 11:28 GMT
#306
On July 11 2011 20:25 lahey wrote:
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On July 11 2011 20:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On July 11 2011 20:21 lahey wrote:
On July 11 2011 20:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On July 11 2011 20:14 lahey wrote:
looking upon it with anything but disgust just shows what kind of mentality you have. /thread


That mentality is called being a reasonable human-being.


I am sorry but you are confusing reasonable with weak and feeble-minded.


I'll have to bow to your experience on this one since you seem to be such a practiced expert in both.


good choice chubs


Whoosh!
lahey
Profile Joined April 2011
United States41 Posts
July 11 2011 11:28 GMT
#307
On July 11 2011 20:26 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 20:25 lahey wrote:

good choice chubs


The thing about excess weight is that it can be dropped. The problem with your excess stupidity is you tend to be lumbered with it for life.


Well, then you better get on the treadmill because you have nothing going for you at the moment.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
July 11 2011 11:29 GMT
#308
On July 11 2011 20:28 lahey wrote:
Well, then you better get on the treadmill because you have nothing going for you at the moment.


Proving my point about haters beyond a shadow of a doubt. Here endeth the lesson.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
July 11 2011 11:29 GMT
#309
Well... Sheth knew what he was getting into when he committed to this. He should not of had any surprises. Guess he just wasnt cut out for the true training.
lahey
Profile Joined April 2011
United States41 Posts
July 11 2011 11:31 GMT
#310
On July 11 2011 20:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 20:28 lahey wrote:
Well, then you better get on the treadmill because you have nothing going for you at the moment.


Proving my point about haters beyond a shadow of a doubt. Here endeth the lesson.


You seem to think calling people stupid does not classify YOURSELF as a hater. Double standards are ftw chubs
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
July 11 2011 11:32 GMT
#311
On July 11 2011 20:31 lahey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 20:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On July 11 2011 20:28 lahey wrote:
Well, then you better get on the treadmill because you have nothing going for you at the moment.


Proving my point about haters beyond a shadow of a doubt. Here endeth the lesson.


You seem to think calling people stupid does not classify YOURSELF as a hater. Double standards are ftw chubs


I guess hating on TB is something you do to look cool or something?
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
PlosionCornu
Profile Joined August 2010
Italy814 Posts
July 11 2011 11:33 GMT
#312
On July 11 2011 20:19 FlyingDJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 20:10 PlosionCornu wrote:
On July 11 2011 20:00 FlyingDJ wrote:
On July 11 2011 19:56 PlosionCornu wrote:
Well, I consider Korean Training the best (and to this day, the only) way to become the best players on the scene, and I'm sure I'm not the only one on this very same page.

Just like some other "professions" it requires a big sacrifice to be made(family, friends, etc), in order to be pursued to the fullest.

The point how you define the profession of the progamer, people who still think it's some part time hobby (which it can be, don't get me wrong) are not willing to make such high sacrifices, other people want more, and want to give everything to become the absolute best, thus, they forsake what their life has been up until that moment.

It boils down to how one wants the game to influence his life. It's the same decision between "i want to do this forever" or "just for the time being, no worries".

Many jobs require people to decide on such important matters, if you think a bit about it.



Korean training is effective because they put in unrivalled hours. I am sceptical if it is efficient though, so "best" is not an attribute I'd give it easily. If you say you can only succeed like the Koreans do when you ditch your family and private life to a large extent, something is wrong.



Results don't lie man, plus, you have to sacrifice a lot if you want to succeed.

For example I'd have to say goodbye to everyone if I were to become a professional computer programmer, because I'd need to go and live abroad(maybe in India) , in order to study, since my country does not offer the formation I need. Same with US(or anything else) vs Korea.

Besides, I've implied that at THIS time it's the only way to become the best, yes it may be inefficient, but noone invented a better method yet.


Yes, it works, but I doubt it is the only way. I find it a dangerous development when more and more Koreans are going abroad for tournament and the implications are that all other nationalities must give up their lives to esports to compete. We're talking young people here, sacrificing an education and unlike professional sports players, not making the amounts of money to catch up on it when it's over. And they can play all day because unlike physical sports, there's little exhaustion, so that barrier is gone.

I have actually written an article about this and I am being backed up by scientists who have done research in that field. Too much practice can hurt your performance. There is almost no proper research on effective esports training, which I consider a huge deficit. I am sure there are efficient ways to practice that do not involve 12 hour days, seven days a week.


I doubt that too, maybe that wasn't that clear by my previous post.
I know it's inefficient, I don't think anyone doubts that. Every single human gets tired as hell after 7-8 hours of continous activity.

I know, it's a pretty big thing forsaking your life for some dark "job" without a clear and safe future for yourself. I would not do something like this myself.
But there are individuals who are willing to do this, and show us the result of said mad training.
By doing this, these guys top the competition. This set a whole new level, and others must be up there if they want to be competitive. You must offer a similar "product" as your competitors in order to stay relevant, and yes, it's risky as hell.

All in all, I agree with your points though.
lahey
Profile Joined April 2011
United States41 Posts
July 11 2011 11:33 GMT
#313
On July 11 2011 20:32 Linwelin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 20:31 lahey wrote:
On July 11 2011 20:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On July 11 2011 20:28 lahey wrote:
Well, then you better get on the treadmill because you have nothing going for you at the moment.


Proving my point about haters beyond a shadow of a doubt. Here endeth the lesson.


You seem to think calling people stupid does not classify YOURSELF as a hater. Double standards are ftw chubs


I guess hating on TB is something you do to look cool or something?


i hate on uneducated dolts, i can't help myself
Haydin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1481 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 11:36:50
July 11 2011 11:35 GMT
#314
On July 11 2011 19:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 19:52 Falcor wrote:
On July 11 2011 19:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On July 11 2011 19:13 mdb wrote:
On July 11 2011 19:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On July 11 2011 18:59 Falcor wrote:
lol nice always working on your community relations i see.


I really don't need to keep up relations with dumb people who don't think before they post and are so quick to board the hate-express against someone who has done nothing but good things for Starcraft 2.


Who are you to call people dumb? Honestly, your replies dont leave the impression that you are super intelligent either.


If blindly going after higher profile community members is what it takes to be thought of as intelligent by mdb then please forgive me if I don't show much concern for your opinion.

There are some downright hateful remarks in this thread and Sheth has done nothing to deserve them.


I wouldnt really call it blind hate tho its in direct response to behavor they dont agree with?


Would you prefer I call it "fucking stupid hate"? Blind seemed more diplomatic and indeed more accurate, since as always, these people know very little about the thing they're attacking.

Today is Witchhunt day it would seem when it comes to nice people in this community. Who's next, Sean Plott?


I agree that the flak that sheth will probably get for this is a little much. Until he says something himself, it looks like what happened was that he found out the hard way that the korean training regimen was not something he wanted to commit to. If sheth did, in any way, let down his team (which is total speculation at this point) that's between him and them. And so what if he didn't feel comfortable doing super long incredibly intense training? Sure, he probably won't ever be competing for the title of the world's top zerg. But if that's not what he wants to be, it's his call. He's still going to be a very strong player, and there's no question he'll still be an important member of the foreigner starcraft community.

If people feel let down that sheth won't be one the foreigners that can challenge the MCs, DRGs, Nesteas, MMAs, and MVPs in major tournaments, remember that he was by no means the only member of FXO in korea. I mean, QXC was probably a big part of why DRG couldn't make it through the code A qualifiers! And can you guys imagine how scary thorzain and naniwa are going to be after f-united?!

@TotalBiscut: It's great to see members of the SC2 community coming out to defend each other over this crap. I applaud you for that. But while Falco is being overly hostile, you do seem to not take personal criticism especially well. Why not just ignore this stuff? If you're defending someone else and someone attacks you personally on the internet, it just means they aren't actually refuting what you said.
There will always be people who will find something not to like about you, so why waste the time and energy getting into arguments with them? It can't be worth it.
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sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
July 11 2011 11:35 GMT
#315
On July 11 2011 17:28 FXOpen wrote:
most pro gamers dont speak english, and they fit your demographic, but its an irrelevant argument.



thats might have something to do with the fact that most pro-gamer kinda left school in order to play starcraft

I have quiet alot of korean acquintances and they speak 'understandable' english, the reason they dont speak english most of the time is not because they dont know how to but because they feel shy talking to caucasian, not that way to fellow asian though


just some personal experiences
Put quote here for readability
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
July 11 2011 11:36 GMT
#316
On July 11 2011 20:31 lahey wrote:
You seem to think calling people stupid does not classify YOURSELF as a hater. Double standards are ftw chubs


It's not a difficult distinction to make for anyone with a functioning cerebellum. Calling a spade a spade and hating on people who do more for the community in a day than you will in a lifetime, is about as different as swatting flies is from mass murder.

That said, the distinction could be difficult to make if you happen to suffer from your particular brand of delusions.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Gurblechev
Profile Joined May 2011
188 Posts
July 11 2011 11:36 GMT
#317
I'm disappointed to hear this. Work is not always fun, and being a pro gamer is presumably Sheth's job.

I wish he would buckle down and work harder for the sake of fans. I would like to see him do better and see him competing in Korea again.
Art_of_Kill
Profile Joined September 2003
Zaire1232 Posts
July 11 2011 11:37 GMT
#318
good decision by sheth!
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Saicam
Profile Joined July 2011
262 Posts
July 11 2011 11:37 GMT
#319
sad to hear, Sheth was 1 foreigner that i thought could compete with the koreans
Savern101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom859 Posts
July 11 2011 11:37 GMT
#320
On July 11 2011 20:31 lahey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 20:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On July 11 2011 20:28 lahey wrote:
Well, then you better get on the treadmill because you have nothing going for you at the moment.


Proving my point about haters beyond a shadow of a doubt. Here endeth the lesson.


You seem to think calling people stupid does not classify YOURSELF as a hater. Double standards are ftw chubs


Calling people stupid when they're being as stupid as you are is not hating, its truth. Personal insults aren't welcome on TL either.
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