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On July 11 2011 18:39 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 18:35 -Archangel- wrote:On July 11 2011 18:29 Rannasha wrote:On July 11 2011 18:08 -Archangel- wrote:On July 11 2011 16:42 Jakkerr wrote:On July 11 2011 16:41 Sedz wrote:On July 11 2011 16:39 Tobberoth wrote:
After reading Sheths comments, I can understand all of them, except the one about learning korean. Learning a language is hard, it's not something you're going to do in 2 weeks or even 5 months. Being disappointed about that, especially when the only effort was to buy rosetta stone (which is a horrible way to learn a language, especially an eastern one) makes no sense at all. If you wanted to learn korean, you should have stopped with the progaming and gone to a language school in korea. It would still take at least a year before you could communicate on a comfortable level. Right so he's going to go to Korea with the intention of furthering his PROGAMING training, then stop Progaming so he could go to language school and learn Korean, effectively making the trip to Korea in the first place useless? Okay. Not everyone wants to practice 12 hours a day and do nothing else, some people also want to do something else with their lives and have more then 1 hobby  . No offense to those koreans, but practicing 12 hours a day and do absolutely nothing else so u can be the best isn't healthy. Actually the best sportsman around the world work and live like this. Do you think C. Ronaldo just watches TV the whole day? He practices shooting and other stuff even after the team practice is done. Yes, but after his practice he returns to his own house. I'm sure that alot of people don't mind a lot of work / practise every day, but object to having to spend the rest of the day in a dorm-like environment without any privacy or opportunity to unwind on your own. Which is exactly the point that Sheth was making in his post in this thread as he said that he wouldn't mind going back to Korea at some point to train in a progaming house, but live in his own place. Then he is in the wrong business. Korean model of training has been used for years and has been proven to work for producing best Starcraft players. If he is not ready to make sacrifices to be the best then he should just find a new path in life before it is too late (or earn money like Destiny and not care about progaming). And how exactly is sleeping in the same, small room (quite probably with tiny beds) with the entire team beneficial? I'm not disputing the long training sessions with your practice partners / coach sitting right next to you for discussions. That's an essential part of the Korean model. The fact that everyone lives in the same house even outside training hours seems to be more a matter of convenience and financial reasons.
I don't know exactly, but after living in Korea for over 3 1/2 years... I'd have to say many Koreans that I have met are pretty CLOSE with their friends. As in they don't seem to have a problem with sleeping together in close proximity (male to male) I would say maybe it could just be a different culture. Living conditions is a lot different than American culture...
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Well, if you can't commit to one thing for a month in your life, especially if it is your job, then you won't go far in life i guess...
I don't want to bash on Sheth or anyone, but one month in a life is nothing.
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dude really i wish i was in sheth shoes and have opportunitie to train in korean and all and i bet im not alone its sad when people dont take the opportunities
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I think Sheth is a great person, a great player and all - I understand his reasons, they are legit, but still, this is honestly seriously disappointing. The thing is, this really isn't just about him, to leave your team midway as captain, especially when they are struggling, is simply not great leadership to say the least. Yes, missing your family/friends, practicing in a small place with ten other guys I bet is difficult to adjust to also, but couldn't he have just at least toughed it out for two more weeks? =(
More importantly, could be wrong, but I'd think it would give foreign players a bad image in terms of professionalism.
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On July 11 2011 18:52 GizmoPT wrote:
dude really i wish i was in sheth shoes and have opportunitie to train in korean and all and i bet im not alone its sad when people dont take the opportunities
Unbelievably easy to say when you aren't and will most likely never be in that position.
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On July 11 2011 18:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 18:52 GizmoPT wrote:
dude really i wish i was in sheth shoes and have opportunitie to train in korean and all and i bet im not alone its sad when people dont take the opportunities Unbelievably easy to say when you aren't and will most likely never be in that position.
lol nice always working on your community relations i see.
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this entire topic makes me sad face
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On July 11 2011 18:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 18:52 GizmoPT wrote:
dude really i wish i was in sheth shoes and have opportunitie to train in korean and all and i bet im not alone its sad when people dont take the opportunities Unbelievably easy to say when you aren't and will most likely never be in that position.
I am pretty sure that the majority of the tl.net posters will stay more than two weeks in Korea if they had the chance, thats why is understandable when people are not happy with Sheth`s descision.
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On July 11 2011 19:02 mdb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 18:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On July 11 2011 18:52 GizmoPT wrote:
dude really i wish i was in sheth shoes and have opportunitie to train in korean and all and i bet im not alone its sad when people dont take the opportunities Unbelievably easy to say when you aren't and will most likely never be in that position. I am pretty sure that the majority of the tl.net posters will stay more than two weeks in Korea if they had the chance, thats why is understandable when people are not happy with Sheth`s descision.
hell i spent 2 months in montreal in a 2 bedroom apt with 5 guys for my cs team that was only cevo m lol and not speaking french you learnt real quick which stores are fine with english speakers and which ones hate you lol
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On July 11 2011 18:59 Falcor wrote:
lol nice always working on your community relations i see.
I really don't need to keep up relations with dumb people who don't think before they post and are so quick to board the hate-express against someone who has done nothing but good things for Starcraft 2.
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On July 11 2011 18:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 18:35 -Archangel- wrote:
Then he is in the wrong business. Korean model of training has been used for years and has been proven to work for producing best Starcraft players. If he is not ready to make sacrifices to be the best then he should just find a new path in life before it is too late (or earn money like Destiny and not care about progaming). Lol. You heard it here first guys, if you're not willing to live in the equivalent of a cramped youth hostel, you're not cut out to be a progamer.
Unless you have a decent wage from your team then this seems to be true. When was the last time anyone from outside Korea won something big? Naniwa at the mlg before the most recent one? It is more about attitude anyway. If you are not willing to sacrifice quite alot or sort of go all in on gaming, you probably will not make it to the top. Maybe that is not what Sheth wants though, I dont know.
Edit: Spelling and I forgot about Thorzain in TSL3 lol
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Different people, different lives and personalities. At Sheth's age my life had been quite chaotic for a couple of years and I didn't have much of a family to be with either. But there are so many related things that can wear people down, for example not feeling that there is "a home".
Having that said, life just started when you are 22. Even if there were problems odds are it will turn out to have been a strengthening experience.
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On July 11 2011 18:49 djfoxmccloud wrote:
Well, if you can't commit to one thing for a month in your life, especially if it is your job, then you won't go far in life i guess...
I don't want to bash on Sheth or anyone, but one month in a life is nothing.
this, million time this.
i like sheth more than any FXO player, to be honest.
to see him this weak-minded and borderline unprofessional is like getting stabbed with a knife right through the heart.
-1 fan, sheth.
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I still have alot of respect for sheth and wish him the best with whatever he does also off topic totalbiscuit dont get caught up in another TL arguement.
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Disappointing news but I'm still behind Sheth all the way. Hopefully we'll see him back in the big show in Korea.
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On July 11 2011 18:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 18:35 -Archangel- wrote:
Then he is in the wrong business. Korean model of training has been used for years and has been proven to work for producing best Starcraft players. If he is not ready to make sacrifices to be the best then he should just find a new path in life before it is too late (or earn money like Destiny and not care about progaming). Lol. You heard it here first guys, if you're not willing to live in the equivalent of a cramped youth hostel, you're not cut out to be a progamer.
Until SC2 progamers get payed big salaries so they can affort their own apartments and cars to get them to the training place it will stay like this. For now with the amount of money that is invested into Starcraft and players this is they way it was found to work. And if you still think I am wrong please give me an example of a non-korean that went far in their first GSL run?
I respect you as a commentator and a esports celebrity but this time you are letting your feelings trump logic.
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On July 11 2011 19:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 18:59 Falcor wrote:
lol nice always working on your community relations i see. I really don't need to keep up relations with dumb people who don't think before they post and are so quick to board the hate-express against someone who has done nothing but good things for Starcraft 2.
Who are you to call people dumb? Honestly, your replies dont leave the impression that you are super intelligent either.
You cannot support blindly anything that happens in the scene. I want to see dedication, hard work and overcoming all the difficulties. That is what will make me be a fan of certain player. People like Grrr, Elky, Nazgul didnt quit and thats why they are all respected from the community. Not to mention how good they were at the game. We can see the same with Huk and Jinro with SC2.
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i support shawn with whatever he will do <3 looking forward tos eeing you at mlg buddy
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understandable, if i would be in his position i would do the same, cant see myself being unhappy in a place i dont really wanna be make me a better player :3
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On July 11 2011 19:12 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 18:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:On July 11 2011 18:35 -Archangel- wrote:
Then he is in the wrong business. Korean model of training has been used for years and has been proven to work for producing best Starcraft players. If he is not ready to make sacrifices to be the best then he should just find a new path in life before it is too late (or earn money like Destiny and not care about progaming). Lol. You heard it here first guys, if you're not willing to live in the equivalent of a cramped youth hostel, you're not cut out to be a progamer. When SC2 progamers get payed big salaries so they can affort their own apartments and cars to get them to the training place it will stay like this. For now with the amount of money that is invested into Starcraft and players this is they way it was found to work. And if you still think I am wrong please give me an example of a non-korean that went far in their first GSL run? I respect you as a commentator and a esports celebrity but this time you are letting your feelings trump logic.
Even then idk if koreans would change...i bet with a mindset of "We need to give up a lot. We need to give up everything that belongs to ourselves, only then can you becomes rank 1, 2. I too gave up everything before coming here. I haven’t even thought about getting a girlfriend. I don’t even see my friends often, only occasionally during holidays. Every day is practice." - flash
its going to take more then money to change that(then again flashes team has a dorm and they travel to their practice house).
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