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gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
July 10 2011 09:17 GMT
#161
It's a good list so far, but I can't wait to see these kind of lists 5 years down the line. That's when you're going to see the BIG revolutions in gameplay.
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 09:22:06
July 10 2011 09:21 GMT
#162
Morrow reaper aggression vs Zerg. For a short period of time that was the standard for the TvZ match up.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
July 10 2011 09:34 GMT
#163
MorroW, Kyrix, IdrA and DIMAGA for Zerg. NesTea isn't too much a trendsetter, he just uses builds really fucking well and has a really good gamesense.
#freeshauni
BlizzrdSlave
Profile Joined June 2011
161 Posts
July 10 2011 10:06 GMT
#164
On July 10 2011 09:13 SafeAsCheese wrote:
zerg doesn't have any pioneers


thats because zerg is a race that lacks diverse deadly builds apart from cheese.I learned the early infestor burrowed mineral line on my own. thats a cheese. its totally ineffective and will kill you if you're blind countered or scouted.

Most of zerg's special plays are cheeses. The reason is that there's no self sufficient builds for zerg. its always about trying to keep up with T and P who play follow the leader. Zerg cant lead. its not economically viable for them to do so.

If zerg could, they would get even more QQ's than ever out of T or P because they can force terran and protoss responses that they can then quickly TS and punish.
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BlizzrdSlave
Profile Joined June 2011
161 Posts
July 10 2011 10:07 GMT
#165
On July 10 2011 09:13 SafeAsCheese wrote:
zerg doesn't have any pioneers


thats because zerg is a race that lacks diverse deadly builds apart from cheese.I learned the early infestor burrowed mineral line on my own. thats a cheese. its totally ineffective and will kill you if you're blind countered or scouted.

Most of zerg's special plays are cheeses. The reason is that there's no self sufficient builds for zerg. its always about trying to keep up with T and P who play follow the leader. Zerg cant lead. its not economically viable for them to do so.

If zerg could, they would get even more QQ's than ever out of T or P because they can force terran and protoss responses that they can then quickly TS and punish.


On a side note, I really think that as people learn to use units and tech in ways not originally planned or desired by the game makers, the game SHOULD go through rebalancing on those basis.
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fuzzy_panda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand1681 Posts
July 10 2011 10:16 GMT
#166
Spanishiwa definitely for the Zerg. His early 4queens + no gas is rather unique for a zerg player, and that mass macro at the start gives him a huuge advantage mid-late game.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 10:36:57
July 10 2011 10:36 GMT
#167
I would add:

1) Tyler for 1base blink stalkers (or Nazgul, not 100% sure on this), and 5-6 gating in pvz, and most importantly double forge in pvt. Nowadays it's such a standard build, and back in march/april he was the only one doing it (see his showmatch vs Jinro). Plus of course his phoenix play.
2) White-ra for warp prisms, even though it's not particularly popular yet, and especially colossus/void ray.
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bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 10:59:43
July 10 2011 10:52 GMT
#168
Idra : Fast expand (or 14 pool 15 hatch) Dimaga: Baneling bust Sen: 1 base Muta build i think
Morrow : 3/5 rax reapers, koreans: 3 hatch muta vs protoss,

the topic is speaks about trendsetters not inventors thats the difference
Stork[gm]
OdiousTea
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia357 Posts
July 10 2011 11:00 GMT
#169
ZeNex Line with his ZvT of pure muta-ling.
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 11:03:40
July 10 2011 11:02 GMT
#170
On July 10 2011 17:12 Eknoid4 wrote:
DRG popularized low tech ZvT?

low tech ZvT has existed forever.

The problem with this thread is that no one is checking their sources and just about everyone is completely wrong about when something first started it and when it first became common.


It's not about existing forever. It's about people being shown about the fact that it can win more than platinum ladder games. So, it is actually "popularized" by DongRaeGu.

On July 10 2011 19:52 bgx wrote:
Idra : Fast expand (or 14 pool 15 hatch) Dimaga: Baneling bust Sen: 1 base Muta build i think
Morrow : 3/5 rax reapers, koreans: 3 hatch muta vs protoss,

the topic is speaks about trendsetters not inventors thats the difference

I'm pretty sure that trendsetting of fast expand goes to Fruitdealer, who won a GSL with it.
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Phyxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark681 Posts
July 10 2011 11:28 GMT
#171
On July 10 2011 17:57 koolaid1990 wrote:
Terran: BitByBit for scv marine all ins which is still popular today

Actually, the scv marine all ins was popularized by MKP before BitByBit got his 15 minutes of frame. The phrase came up because he just did it every single game at a completely random timing.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
July 10 2011 11:29 GMT
#172
On July 10 2011 14:10 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 13:54 Juanald wrote:
Terran:
LzGaMeR
coL.Drewbie
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Protoss:

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coL.CrunchEr
coL.Minigun

Zerg:

Protech
coL.cAtz
Liquid`Haypro
MoOnGlAdE
EG-Machine

Yes no Koreans have ever invented anything.


What? Do Koreans even play Starcraft?
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Marsupian
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands455 Posts
July 10 2011 11:40 GMT
#173
I think July's aggressive style was pretty revolutionary but it hasn't really caught on a lot so maybe not really a trendsetter. I don't know who invented going ling/bling/muta against P but that was quite the revolution after all the roach/hydra/corrupter play before that.
Mazaire
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia217 Posts
July 10 2011 14:40 GMT
#174
OP i am really surprised that spanishwa is not in the list for zerg. i mean the ice fisher build is so strong if implemented right, you are so overwhelmingly strong in the meta game and players all the way down into the silver league (that i have seen/played against) are taking their two cents on the build. even though is a one off thing i believe that so many people have adopted the build that i would be worthy of a mention just because it weasled its way into the (at least my) list of standard builds for zerg.
"No matter what event you go to there are so many koreans, like a swarm. Even if you beat three or four, there are like 10 others waiting." - Socke
Marsupian
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands455 Posts
July 10 2011 14:51 GMT
#175
On July 10 2011 23:40 Mazaire wrote:
OP i am really surprised that spanishwa is not in the list for zerg. i mean the ice fisher build is so strong if implemented right, you are so overwhelmingly strong in the meta game and players all the way down into the silver league (that i have seen/played against) are taking their two cents on the build. even though is a one off thing i believe that so many people have adopted the build that i would be worthy of a mention just because it weasled its way into the (at least my) list of standard builds for zerg.


The thing is that it doesn't get used much in tournaments and really high level play. It is a valid built but it's just not used at the top level as far as I'm aware. It works great at the lower levels because it's really solid defensively while being good economical but at the high level it's not used (if I'm wrong feel free to correct me).
userstupidname
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden272 Posts
July 10 2011 14:54 GMT
#176
Idra made zerg in sc2 beta by popularizing 14 hatch and just greedy starts as well as hydra play.




Other are morrow with his ling style
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Juke290
Profile Joined March 2011
Egypt316 Posts
July 10 2011 14:57 GMT
#177
On July 10 2011 08:45 NEXPanDa wrote:
Good list so far, but I would put KiWiKaKi at 3, WhiteRa at 4, and YongHwa at 5. Naniwa is really mechanically good and farily standard, he is still probably top 10 though.

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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
July 10 2011 14:58 GMT
#178
On July 10 2011 23:57 Juke290 wrote:
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On July 10 2011 08:45 NEXPanDa wrote:
Good list so far, but I would put KiWiKaKi at 3, WhiteRa at 4, and YongHwa at 5. Naniwa is really mechanically good and farily standard, he is still probably top 10 though.

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Juke290
Profile Joined March 2011
Egypt316 Posts
July 10 2011 15:00 GMT
#179
On July 10 2011 23:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 23:57 Juke290 wrote:
On July 10 2011 08:45 NEXPanDa wrote:
Good list so far, but I would put KiWiKaKi at 3, WhiteRa at 4, and YongHwa at 5. Naniwa is really mechanically good and farily standard, he is still probably top 10 though.

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Ah ok, my mistake for not checking the list.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 10 2011 15:00 GMT
#180
Lasting innovation doesn't usually come from one guy in his bedroom. Sure KiWiKaKi might figure out a cute build or two, but the changes to gameplay that get repeated throughout the world come from larger groups. oGs protosses and IM zergs have been innovation factories for their races so far.
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