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Disquiet
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia628 Posts
July 10 2011 15:01 GMT
#181
On July 10 2011 23:54 userstupidname wrote:
Idra made zerg in sc2 beta by popularizing 14 hatch and just greedy starts as well as hydra play.




Other are morrow with his ling style


Idra is definitely a trend setter, thanks to him a large amount of people (particularly zergs) have this ridiculous concept that the only good starcraft game is a macro game. Although hes changed his stance on this recently the attitude remains and will probably be here forever.


When I cheese as zerg at my crappy low diamond level people almost never expect it, I guess I have him to thank.

Savern101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom859 Posts
July 10 2011 15:03 GMT
#182
Morrow's PvZ?
Not sure if he was the first, but he's probably the person who's popularised Zergling baneling drops against Toss, its a scary style in his hands.

Select -
He was the first person I saw doing 11/11 or 11/12 raxes against zergs, at an MLG last year. Now its a very standard opening (QXC as well)

Tyler -
I'd say he's probably more known, along with adelscott, for his gateway fast upgrades vs T.

Spanishiwa should definately be there, even if his style has gone out of favour
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Vertig0
Profile Joined March 2009
United States196 Posts
July 10 2011 15:22 GMT
#183
Dimaga popularized using banelings to kill planetary fortresses: it sounded ridiculous at the time, but now it's seen quite often.
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SichuanPanda
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1542 Posts
July 10 2011 15:28 GMT
#184
On July 11 2011 00:22 Vertig0 wrote:
Dimaga popularized using banelings to kill planetary fortresses: it sounded ridiculous at the time, but now it's seen quite often.


Yea, well it is actually one of very few ways to reliably say 'this PF dies now', and a lot of times a Zerg has to take that PF out to get an effective push on the Terran.

For Zerg I expect DongRaeGu to become one of the leading trendsetters for builds, while the build he uses of ling/muta/some infester/gspire is far from new however, the way he executes the build certainly is. He has shown that one of the oldest Zerg builds which for a long time was deemed inferior to muta/ling/bling is far from inferior, and when used properly is insanely powerful.
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absalom86
Profile Joined April 2010
Iceland1770 Posts
July 10 2011 16:21 GMT
#185
Can't believe people don't mention the one and only Maka(rax).
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KinQuh
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland810 Posts
July 10 2011 16:56 GMT
#186
On July 10 2011 12:11 MrMotionPicture wrote:
GuineaPig I believe was the guy that did that game on Shakuras with the VoidRays and Colossus build. That was all the rage for quite some time.


I think it was YongHwa who really went Voidray/Colossus the first time or atleast popularized it.

Also GoOdy for mech overall.
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niilzon
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium105 Posts
July 10 2011 17:17 GMT
#187
Spanishiwa is the Z player that modified my style the most.

Making no gas until about 42 workers, spines, queens Great style on most maps, I thank him for his style.
SacredSoul
Profile Joined February 2011
United States76 Posts
July 10 2011 17:25 GMT
#188
On July 10 2011 08:45 NEXPanDa wrote:
Good list so far, but I would put KiWiKaKi at 3, WhiteRa at 4, and YongHwa at 5. Naniwa is really mechanically good and farily standard, he is still probably top 10 though.

User was banned for this post.

Excuse me for interrupting, but why was this banned? It looks as if he was stating his opinion like everyone else and he got BANNED for doing it... Unless I'm missing something here.
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Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
July 10 2011 17:28 GMT
#189
On July 11 2011 02:25 SacredSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 08:45 NEXPanDa wrote:
Good list so far, but I would put KiWiKaKi at 3, WhiteRa at 4, and YongHwa at 5. Naniwa is really mechanically good and farily standard, he is still probably top 10 though.

User was banned for this post.

Excuse me for interrupting, but why was this banned? It looks as if he was stating his opinion like everyone else and he got BANNED for doing it... Unless I'm missing something here.

Read the whole thread FFS. It's been explained multiple times. The guy was using multiple accounts.
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BlizzrdSlave
Profile Joined June 2011
161 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 17:30:20
July 10 2011 17:28 GMT
#190
On July 11 2011 00:22 Vertig0 wrote:
Dimaga popularized using banelings to kill planetary fortresses: it sounded ridiculous at the time, but now it's seen quite often.


wrong. I learned this on my own after trial and error. I think its an error to ascribe what is a natural collective unconscious gameplay progression to any individual. I've never heard of his baneling bust vs PF, but in the last three weeks vs PF terran I really needed an alternative to ultralisk/broodling, which is the only other two viable options to a fully turtled terran. baneling bust came to my mind, and when I tried it, and was surprised that it worked, I didnt even care that I was trading unequally on resources and costing myself more than him, because I stopped him from mining which puts my macro game ahead, and thus more than compensates for spending a little extra to down a resource point of the enemy in just 2 seconds flat.

Just like spanishiwa. I learned his so called "ice fisher" build by throwing myself straight into ladder zerg from brood war. I did 3 macro hatches no expand to get myself into high gold, and people would say "lol you used ice fisher/spanshiwa build"? and I have to say, wtf are you talking about?

many of these builds, it is true, might have been given widespread recognition as a particular build, but Im quite sure a lot of unknowns tried these builds before. Thats usually where great people get their builds anyway, taking it from what they see other people do and synthesizing it into a winning combo down the road.

yes, I refined my low gas macro hatch build with trial and error, and came up with nearly the same build spanishiwa uses. so I highly doubt he pioneered it. I was taking brood war and trying to modify it with queen use for macro ladder, all without having ever seen any streams or looked up any builds.

my point is these people gave it a face, they didnt create them out of some genius.
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cocosoft
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1068 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 17:31:20
July 10 2011 17:31 GMT
#191
For every race

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Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 17:39:16
July 10 2011 17:38 GMT
#192
On July 11 2011 02:28 BlizzrdSlave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 00:22 Vertig0 wrote:
Dimaga popularized using banelings to kill planetary fortresses: it sounded ridiculous at the time, but now it's seen quite often.


wrong. I learned this on my own after trial and error. I think its an error to ascribe what is a natural collective unconscious gameplay progression to any individual. I've never heard of his baneling bust vs PF, but in the last three weeks vs PF terran I really needed an alternative to ultralisk/broodling, which is the only other two viable options to a fully turtled terran. baneling bust came to my mind, and when I tried it, and was surprised that it worked, I didnt even care that I was trading unequally on resources and costing myself more than him, because I stopped him from mining which puts my macro game ahead, and thus more than compensates for spending a little extra to down a resource point of the enemy in just 2 seconds flat.

Just like spanishiwa. I learned his so called "ice fisher" build by throwing myself straight into ladder zerg from brood war. I did 3 macro hatches no expand to get myself into high gold, and people would say "lol you used ice fisher/spanshiwa build"? and I have to say, wtf are you talking about?

many of these builds, it is true, might have been given widespread recognition as a particular build, but Im quite sure a lot of unknowns tried these builds before. Thats usually where great people get their builds anyway, taking it from what they see other people do and synthesizing it into a winning combo down the road.

yes, I refined my low gas macro hatch build with trial and error, and came up with nearly the same build spanishiwa uses. so I highly doubt he pioneered it. I was taking brood war and trying to modify it with queen use for macro ladder, all without having ever seen any streams or looked up any builds.

my point is these people gave it a face, they didnt create them out of some genius.

No offense intended, but:
You are not capable of designing builds that work at the very highest level. You are not. The people this thread is about are.

Besides: how is 3 macro hatches no expand even closely related to the Spanishiwa build?

I would give Destiny credit for great infestor use, but that's about it. I really think Zerg lacks some pioneers. Besides the obvious spanishiwa.
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tuho1234
Profile Joined July 2011
90 Posts
July 10 2011 17:43 GMT
#193
MKP had changed the entire TvX match up IMO. We can see marines are just super cost effective.

MC made everyone realize the importance of FF.

July showed you how to banelings bust. Nestea showed how to play like a zerg.
Luperts
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden28 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 17:45:52
July 10 2011 17:44 GMT
#194
I think dimaga deserves to be on the list of zerg players. He has made alot of styles popular, especially in the period around late beta and after release.

He was one of the first to really refine what is today considered standard in ZvT with mutas and ling/bling. He also has recently showed off some neat rushes to hive-tech with 3 fast bases and stuff.
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okrane
Profile Joined April 2010
France265 Posts
July 10 2011 17:50 GMT
#195
So here's my list for zerg as for the things popularized by players:

DIMAGA: baneling bust.
Losira: roach-ling all in.
Spanishiwa: gasless zerg
Destiny: Infestor play
Kirix: high economy baneling aggression
Morrow: ling/bling vs protoss
Nestea: solid play
Really disappointed with Starcraft II Zerg! :(
nShade
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria296 Posts
July 10 2011 17:55 GMT
#196
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't TLO invent the 1:1:1 build ?
I remember some commentator saying that and it got stuck in my head.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
July 10 2011 17:59 GMT
#197
This kind of thread is hard to get thing right, noone will agree about who make this strategy and put it back to someone else. :/
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sevia
Profile Joined May 2010
United States954 Posts
July 10 2011 18:01 GMT
#198
I think July deserves some credit for popularizing two-base baneling all-ins in TvZ. A little while ago a lot of terrans were doing risky fast expands to set up a 2 base marine/tank push, as most zergs would see the FE and respond by taking a third or fourth themselves. July instead punished the terran for being greedy and went completely all-in any time the T tried to get late tanks.

Since then, almost all terrans either open hellions or get a fast factory after their FE, because July proved that even a thick 3 rax wall-off could be busted without tank support.

July made terrans terrified of zerg all-ins. Remember this?
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ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
July 10 2011 18:02 GMT
#199
I think Spanishiwa's gasless opening would count for Z.
GeForceFX
Profile Joined June 2010
Lithuania101 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 18:04:02
July 10 2011 18:03 GMT
#200
HoseoSage first showed the PvZ zealot phoenix style into templar, which was just used by MC [NASL v sen] and a few other players recently.
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