EPTProfessionalism in electronic sports - Page 23
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MHT
Sweden1026 Posts
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Meatex
Australia285 Posts
And personally I disagree with the OP as I for one don't want e-sports to turn into golf, where the players are so dry they have no personalities. I can sort of understand not wanting a player to say "Fuck off" but what can you do about it that won't kill the character in pro sc2? Do you list all the swears they can't use in the rules? In that case what if a player uses another language or a regional swear? Or does it become where you can only say certain things like gg when the game is over and pp when you want a pause and anything else is penalized? What about on stage gestures whether they hadoukens or single finger salutes? I hate to break it to you but e-sports will not become respected as a real sport in the eyes of anyone who looks down on it already. And sucking the life out of the spectacle in the hopes of winning over such people is a fruitless and destructive battle. | ||
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Supafly
United States19 Posts
If you want to watch two people trash talk each other and get your kicks out of that, go watch Jerry Springer or Maury. | ||
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Deleted User 124618
1142 Posts
Professionalism is relative. | ||
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Supafly
United States19 Posts
On July 08 2011 13:23 Greentellon wrote: Professionalism is relative. It is very common in software development to wear jeans and t-shirts to work. Hell, even Steve Jobs wears jeans and blouses to keynote speeches. It's completely professional to have Spotify playing music in the background (via headphones) while you write code. But in some other fields professionalism means suits and tight etiquette. Professionalism is relative. Maybe so, but even among those professions, there is a level of professionalism that is expected. While the attire may differ, the basic respect given to the bosses and leaders of the company are all expected among the professions. Also, basic respect should be given to the clients of the company. So, while professionalism is somewhat relative, there are certain aspects that are universal. | ||
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Deleted User 124618
1142 Posts
On July 08 2011 13:35 Supafly wrote: Maybe so, but even among those professions, there is a level of professionalism that is expected. While the attire may differ, the basic respect given to the bosses and leaders of the company are all expected among the professions. Also, basic respect should be given to the clients of the company. So, while professionalism is somewhat relative, there are certain aspects that are universal. I don't see any problems with professionalism of SC2 for example. It's entertainment, and people like MC get that fact. What they do isn't not unprofessional, it's part of the job. It's sh*t like MC's ceremonies that attracts people to esports so things like that should be part of it. Entertainment, I say. | ||
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Tweleve
United States644 Posts
On July 08 2011 13:19 Supafly wrote: I can't believe all the people who claim they watch Starcraft to see the personalities and the BM. Does no one watch it for the action and the strategy anymore? Is there no beauty in seeing a perfectly executed flank or suspense in not knowing who's going to come out ahead? If you want to watch two people trash talk each other and get your kicks out of that, go watch Jerry Springer or Maury. No one watches JUST for that, but those little things make the games a little more interesting when there is a grudge on the line | ||
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Supafly
United States19 Posts
On July 08 2011 13:40 Greentellon wrote: I don't see any problems with professionalism of SC2 for example. It's entertainment, and people like MC get that fact. What they do isn't not unprofessional, it's part of the job. It's sh*t like MC's ceremonies that attracts people to esports so things like that should be part of it. Entertainment, I say. Note, I didn't say anything about the level of professionalism in SC2. The base level of professionalism that I was speaking of that permeates most occupations falls a bit above Idra's "fuck you", in my humble opinion. When you expose an audience, and yes, like you said, Starcraft is entertainment, so there is definitely an audience. When you proclaim to the audience, and in some cases, the world, an offensive statement, there needs to be limits on what you say. Movies have ratings. TV has limits on what they can say. Entertainers on the street can't just take off their clothes and run around claiming, "Well, it's entertainment". | ||
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Deleted User 124618
1142 Posts
On July 08 2011 13:46 Supafly wrote: Note, I didn't say anything about the level of professionalism in SC2. The base level of professionalism that I was speaking of that permeates most occupations falls a bit above Idra's "fuck you", in my humble opinion. When you expose an audience, and yes, like you said, Starcraft is entertainment, so there is definitely an audience. When you proclaim to the audience, and in some cases, the world, an offensive statement, there needs to be limits on what you say. Movies have ratings. TV has limits on what they can say. Entertainers on the street can't just take off their clothes and run around claiming, "Well, it's entertainment". Of course I know there is a certain degree of professionalism that is required in the work life (in our culture). If you don't have anything to say about the current topic (SC2/eSports professionalism) I guess that ends our discussion. | ||
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Supafly
United States19 Posts
On July 08 2011 13:49 Greentellon wrote: Of course I know there is a certain degree of professionalism that is required in the work life. If you don't have anything to say about the current topic (SC2/eSports professionalism) I guess that ends our discussion. If you actually read my post, I further explained what I expected to be the base level of professionalism in SC2, which was directly in response to what you were talking about in your post about how you didn't see any problems with the level of professionalism in SC2. Therefore, I stated what I viewed the problem to be. | ||
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DivineSC
United States128 Posts
eSports and every other sport needs some type of drama/villain to succeed, the NFL has the Cowboys, the MLB has the Yankees, the NBA has Lebron James/Lakers..This hate may be generated different ways between sports but how we get ours will be different two, Idra saying a simple "fuck off" instantly makes any match between him and HuK in the future that much more exciting. Excitement brings viewers, viewers bring money, money brings better production, better production brings more viewers, it's a big circle that all starts with having interesting players. We need the BM. | ||
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Clog
United States950 Posts
On July 08 2011 14:38 DivineSC wrote: I find this thread simply a "Hey look at me, talk about me on your podcast because its a controversial topic." type of thread. eSports and every other sport needs some type of drama/villain to succeed, the NFL has the Cowboys, the MLB has the Yankees, the NBA has Lebron James/Lakers..This hate may be generated different ways between sports but how we get ours will be different two, Idra saying a simple "fuck off" instantly makes any match between him and HuK in the future that much more exciting. Excitement brings viewers, viewers bring money, money brings better production, better production brings more viewers, it's a big circle that all starts with having interesting players. We need the BM. Yep. As long as people aren't going over the top with it, like literally getting out of their chair and starting fist fights. Stale, unemotional players are boring, and I'm not watching starcraft to bore myself. | ||
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Bswhunter
Australia954 Posts
And I completely agree with what the people on that show said. Like day 9 said, CONSIDER THE Esports | ||
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everytimee
United States122 Posts
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
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MYMMaliSunSeT
France10 Posts
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Helio-s
United States4 Posts
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Malyce
Switzerland112 Posts
To be frank, at this point in the development of SC2, the game has all to gain from the entertainement value of insults and drama. The fact is that it is hard to compare SC2 to NFL, just in terms of number of viewers and the extent to which it is imbedded into our culture. So adding a component like there is in "professionnal wrestling" with the "bad guys" and the rivalries brings entertainement value. In football (real football, not american football) you watch your country play, your club play, and then the finals. If I'm rooting for Aston Villa then I won't watch Nottingham vs. Swansea just because they hold a grudge, unless it's a grand final or something. And yet in Dreamhack for example, the game that got the most viewers on the livestream wasn't in the finals, it was a rematch between MC and Idra. SC2 is a complicated game, and one of the ways to make it more accessible is through drama. NFL is largely accessible, and hence easier to appreciate the game in itself. That's the tough reality e-sports is faced with... | ||
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