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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
pretty bm if you ask me | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
And then there is another problem with the much-mentioned lack of precision in "manner." Are you proposing to regulate them in ladder as well, because the parallel there would be to prevent players in any sport to cuss in practice. And the singular image of a cuss in tourney represents a mutual breaking of rules, as well as significant backstory. So in terms of in-game in-tournament bad manner, there is not much (unless you count GG as necessary, at which point you would have to make every basketball player shake hands after every game- which is not, and will not be true) Being polite is never bad. However, were I to make a change to competitive gaming, the manner would be one of my least favorite things to change. In fact the bad manner draws many people in. | ||
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Eeevil
Netherlands359 Posts
I just have the nagging feeling this BM is not professional thing is one step on the road to players receiving "media training" and have to watch their words to a degree that their personality cannot manifest itself any longer and everyone just comes across like a politically correct zombie while actually not really saying anything. I watch in pain when in soccer a player gets interviewed and you see the poor fuckwit struggle to find words that are publicly acceptable whilst through all that u see the shimmering ghost of a human being begging for the interview to be over so he can act normal again. So when someone writes an article pins the subject of solid contracts and using bad words in a broadcasted game together and jams it under the name of professionalism. I for one would like a bit of a crowbar separation between the two. Because the first is about having things etched in stone and making good solid business deals and the second is about keeping up appearances and not saying anything offensive because it might anger consumer gods. And when people try not to say anything offensive, they're less than two steps away from not saying anything at all. (Illustrated by Chill's neutral TSL broadcast after getting flack that he was racist towards the Koreans some TSL games) How do you not say anything offensive on the internet anyways ? | ||
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lorestarcraft
United States1049 Posts
On July 08 2011 00:36 Stiluz wrote: I despise actions of trying to excert your own sense of "morality" (e.g. profanity) on others and try to call if professionalism. I want the players to be themselves and I don't care for people forcing this form of "professionalism". A sport or competition can be professional while at the same time maintaining some real humanity and emotions, just look football (european football that is). The bickering between Wenger and Dalgish (sp?) included a lot of profanity. I guess the limit is when the players direct insults at the audience (Rooney swearing at the camera, though it was later explained he was just pissed at the camera guy). Personally, I don't want to see the SC2 scene be devoid of emotions and if things like the BM between Huk and Idra is how they show their emotions for example, that's a great thing. Profanity should not be excepted in any kind of professional conversation or public setting. That is my morality, but it also many other peoples. If there is a chance to alienate and offend someone in a public or professional setting you should not do that thing. | ||
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Achaia
United States643 Posts
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81bf587f/article/nfl-fines-packers-collins-50k-despite-williams-objections That article states that a player was given a $50k fine for a helmet-to-helmet hit in a game. Something that can cause another player serious harm. The $50k fine may seem like a lot to someone like me but he makes $3M+ a year. I mean if you want to say that an eSports player physically harming another player gets fine a little over 1.6% of their base yearly salary I guess I could get behind that but saying people should be fined for regular BM is a statement that lacks intelligence. The issue with player stealing is indeed an issue of professionalism, but it's up to the teams to make sure their contracts are solid enough that they can take legal action if a situation such as player poaching arises. That's not really on the tournament organizations to regulate though, that just means that more teams are going to have to operate on a higher level, I think that EG is doing a great job of setting an example for where that should go for most teams. | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
My reponse: When I post in the teamliquid forums I don't post as a pro-gamer. I post as a citizen of the starcraft 2 community. Your article is all about stirring shit up and creating fake drama. we need people like idra what we dont need is has been writers who are looking for glory His PM Original Message From mki: I'm not going to bring this into a public forum war but you made me chuckle: He's quoting my post 1 page back Just consider yourself lucky that I cared enough to call you out. Your article is just a notch higher than "this article is crap i won't even bother post a comment". I could just as easily say --- your play is just a notch higher that I noticed it a little bit. But the fact of the matter is. I couldn't give a rats ass that you responded to my article. You're not THAT amazing of a player. Just better than most but not as good as the vast majority of pro's. | ||
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Hokay
United States738 Posts
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mki
Poland882 Posts
You don't know me at all - don't go out saying I'm looking to create fake drama. I've worked at many top organizations and I'm sure that most if not all will vouch for me that I love and am more passionate about e-sports than most. I don't stir shit up, I speak my mind, put it on paper and I try to start discussions to see what the community wants. Your post saying "You're lucky I responded or lucky to call you out" had elitism written all over it. So please don't say that you didn't post as a pro because it had "i'm better than you" implied. | ||
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mki
Poland882 Posts
On July 08 2011 06:27 Hokay wrote: mki should be fined there for saying "rats ass" and BMing Good thing it was in private and only posted publicly by someone else. Otherwise I'd have a hefty fine on my head. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
e-sports will always be a niche market just like wrestling (a comparison that has been made several times). You are beating a dead horse. You want Fnatic to make an example out of SK, when Fnatic already dealt under the table before. As for your comments regarding IdrA's BM and his fans arguing he does it for a 'mental advantage.' That's absurb, especially given the example you provided i.e. the Huk SS. You can argue HuK put IdrA on tilt. Not the other way around. IdrA rages and always has. If he had it his way he would win every single game he played. The guy ALWAYS builds himself up before playing. That's outside of the game though and a different beast. He will always talk the talk, but his nerves still get to him ingame, which allows him to make terrible decisions and hence we get the inflammatory comments. Heat of the moment so to speak. The only mental advantage the guy has is he's been down every road before and has a lot of experience. Not the fact he makes ridiculous comments sometimes. | ||
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maliceee
United States634 Posts
On July 08 2011 06:10 Lore-Fighting wrote: Profanity should not be excepted in any kind of professional conversation or public setting. That is my morality, but it also many other peoples. If there is a chance to alienate and offend someone in a public or professional setting you should not do that thing. Can't please everyone, so the best course of action is to attract the small group that nitpicks everything. Good thinking. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On July 08 2011 06:20 desrow wrote: Here's what the OP PM'd me My reponse: When I post in the teamliquid forums I don't post as a pro-gamer. I post as a citizen of the starcraft 2 community. Your article is all about stirring shit up and creating fake drama. we need people like idra what we dont need is has been writers who are looking for glory His PM lol this guy is trash | ||
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maliceee
United States634 Posts
On July 08 2011 06:20 desrow wrote: Here's what the OP PM'd me My reponse: When I post in the teamliquid forums I don't post as a pro-gamer. I post as a citizen of the starcraft 2 community. Your article is all about stirring shit up and creating fake drama. we need people like idra what we dont need is has been writers who are looking for glory His PM It's a PM, why are you bringing it up in the thread... | ||
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LovE-
United States1963 Posts
On July 08 2011 06:27 mki wrote: I don't stir shit up, I speak my mind, put it on paper and I try to start discussions to see what the community wants. That wasn't in private and you used profanity, should you be fined for that too? No, because no one cares if people cuss or not publicly. As I stated in an earlier post, as long as it's not excessive, no one will think twice about it. | ||
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Helio-s
United States4 Posts
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mki
Poland882 Posts
On July 08 2011 06:32 LovE-z33k wrote: That wasn't in private and you used profanity, should you be fined for that too? No, because no one cares if people cuss or not publicly. As I stated in an earlier post, as long as it's not excessive, no one will think twice about it. I didn't A) do it in a public event B) I'm not a pro player to be looked up to. Stop using me as an example - I am in no way a professional player competing in MLG events and other events around the world that tens of thousands of people watch. | ||
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razy
Russian Federation899 Posts
This prooves that we are either haven't grown up enough to understand what is fine to do and what is not or we are just plain dumb and deserve what the rest of the world thinks about us. Also i'd recommened everyone who thinks that the only way to "intercat outside of thr game" is to curse each other - check out BW korean scene, which looks much more professional when it comes to both: the quality of the games and player's behaviour and despite that having a ton of developed story lines, fun celebrations and entertaining shows. P.S. I really hope IEM will take measures if such kind of supidity occurs during that event | ||
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mki
Poland882 Posts
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Vulcano
United States147 Posts
i mean seriously, all you who are defending BM.. just look at the words BAD MANNERED = i dont want that = im going to take less interest and take less seriously PROFESSIONAL = being at the apex of skill and competition while maintaining bearing i mean.. cmon.. kids stop saying 'fuck off' and 'fuck you faggot' if you want i really dont care, because thats all it does, is makes you look like an angry 12 year old kid with an advanced expletive vocabulary.. grats on learning those swear words little jonny but in PROFESSIONAL e-sports i expect to see professionals acting professional.. they are the example of how to act and where to go in gaming, so do we really want them teaching "FUCK OFF" when they do bad? (shh or simply a lack of response is a great way to deny chatting in game... not matter how much you want them to fuck off -- if huk was wrong so be it, idra didnt need to jump in the boat with him) | ||
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Vulcano
United States147 Posts
On July 08 2011 06:39 mki wrote: Well for me it was a worthwhile discussion even though a lot of people got way to heated about it. It's great to see such passion. The majority of posters (so far as I can see) like BM. So what can I say... Of course my opinion will be different however I respect the opinion of 17 pages of TL'ers. Night TL.net i think its just that many ppl like to use mediums like the internet to essentially argue and deny anyone elses point of view , no matter the logic I once started a thread about what players are doing at the 6m mark, to which many replied, "the 6m mark doesnt exist you newb" essentially .. lol | ||
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