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This isn't going to turn into another LoL vs (all other games apparently) thread. You can speak your mind about the selection of games but keep it civil.
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
June 28 2011 06:45 GMT
#461
On June 28 2011 14:30 StyLeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 14:23 Alaron wrote:
On June 28 2011 13:10 Shiragaku wrote:
On June 28 2011 13:07 Alaron wrote:
On June 28 2011 11:43 Ocedic wrote:
On JuNe 28 2011 07:57 Shikyo wrote:


This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the Way...

But Yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.


I think LoL deserves to do whatever it wants; if viewers want to watch it (and they clearly do) then it can be in any tournament that takes it. However, linking one short clip doesn't prove it takes any more skill than anything. DotA has been doing far more impressive stuff for years, on top of having more difficult mechanics and requiring more map awareness.



Case and point why I fell LoL gets too much recognition. It aggravates me but it is what esports boils down too at the moment. I prefer games with a much higher skill ceiling, and LoL does not fit into it.

Ah...so LoL does not have a high enough skill ceiling? Can you explain why that is the case?


Its a lot of comparing to DotA. It would take a lot of explaining and most would disagree. But if you were really interested I could list the main problems LoL has.



I play LoL a crapton, and I can say for sure that LoL has less skill requirements than any other MOBA (BLC, HoN, DOTA, DOTA2)

This is because:
The control system for LoL is terrible. Like, seriously bad. You are "autolocked" into one champion. This severely reduces the game's skill cap, because you can only control one unit at a time - ever. Sure, there are champions that can create a "double", but there's only 2 of these champions, and you only control up to 1 additional "unit". So basically, in SC2 terms it's like controlling a single infestor or ghost or high templar for the entire game.

In DOTA and HoN, you can box several units (much like SC2) and the control panel will show all the units you've selected, with one "main" unit. I think this is a spinoff of how Blizzard made WC3. In BLC, your single champion has like 14-16 moves and skills, compared to LoL (1 champion, 4 skills, possibly 1-2 other item-skills).

There's plenty of other reasons why LoL is not considered very hard to play (no denying, no loss of money upon death) and many features of LoL that cause people to further mistake LoL to be a noob game (cartoonish graphics, free to play, simple HUD, etc), but I think the control system is why LoL is a terrible esports game.


LoL is to DotA as SC2 is to BW. I guess that means SC2 is a terrible esports game too.


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Gurgl
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden308 Posts
June 28 2011 06:47 GMT
#462
ESL is a bad organization, they owe alot of prizemoney to players and teams of different games. Until they payout everything they owe and give a public excuse for their unprofessional behaviour I don't care that much about their tournaments when there are so many better ones around.

Don't expect to see any prizemoney if you are going to any ESL tournament to compete.
danson
Profile Joined April 2010
United States689 Posts
June 28 2011 06:47 GMT
#463
On June 28 2011 14:28 Liquid`HuK wrote:
are they goign to actually payout?



nope. you a TON of ESPORTS dollars tho!

dont spend em all in one place
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
June 28 2011 06:54 GMT
#464
League of legends is way bigger than quake, even bigger than starcraft 2 and counterstrike. It deserves the spot.
NaNiwa | Innovation | Flash | DeMuslim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
50mineral
Profile Joined June 2011
Hungary43 Posts
June 28 2011 07:01 GMT
#465
On June 28 2011 15:54 Fus wrote:
League of legends is way bigger than quake, even bigger than starcraft 2 and counterstrike. It deserves the spot.


sims 2 is way bigger than LoL. wonder why it isnt in the lineup
trNimitz
Profile Joined October 2010
204 Posts
June 28 2011 07:04 GMT
#466
On June 28 2011 07:57 Shikyo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz1wy9JTi6I

This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way...

But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.

That's pretty easy to do (srsly lol).
ZackAttack
Profile Joined June 2011
United States884 Posts
June 28 2011 07:04 GMT
#467
Poor Quake. This is the only place I ever saw it. I'll probably never watch it again.
It's better aerodynamics for space. - Artosis
bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
June 28 2011 07:08 GMT
#468
id is so incompetent now, it's actually pathetic.
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper is a genius. For man to survive, they need toilet paper!"- Nal_rA
HelloxD
Profile Joined May 2011
378 Posts
June 28 2011 07:09 GMT
#469
invite moon please
Pratoss
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada201 Posts
June 28 2011 07:12 GMT
#470
On June 28 2011 05:57 proxima_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 05:17 Pratoss wrote:
so many LoL haters rofl it may be an easier game then DotA and HoN but those two games are nearly dead in the same sense bw (foreigner scene) is as well.

For E-sports to grow you need viewers and HoN and DotA wouldn't get anywhere near the numbers LoL can and most likely will if Riot keeps promoting it.



too bad no one wants e-sports to grow if shitty, casual games like LoL are even considered to be 'e-sports'

the only reason LoL gets those numbers is because it's free, not because the game is good, but keep trying

how can people be picky about what grows e-sports.. once e-sports is huge its ok to be picky but how can u hate on something thats growing e-sports? makes no sense..
Xkalibert
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1404 Posts
June 28 2011 07:12 GMT
#471
On June 28 2011 16:04 trNimitz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 07:57 Shikyo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz1wy9JTi6I

This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way...

But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.

That's pretty easy to do (srsly lol).


I don't play professionally and i can do that as well as any average player in WC3:FT (Warden) blink and Shadow Strike. Hide then blink again pwned alot of heroes with this imba skill.
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
June 28 2011 07:16 GMT
#472
On June 28 2011 15:27 50mineral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 07:57 Shikyo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz1wy9JTi6I

This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way...

But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.


lol despite not having a single idea whats going on the screen (i.e. only those can watch and appreciate who plays it unlike quake) i can tell every decent quake/starcraft player just laughs with full mouth when it comes to skill and these dota games. personally know a guy who got really good in dota, but he couldnt even reach midskill in quake, he agreed too that these games are far easier.



Everyone thinks they're 'really good' at DotA. If I haven't heard of your friend, he probably was not any good.
Schmiddy
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany13 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 07:22:17
June 28 2011 07:21 GMT
#473
quake was always funny to watch
but lol is just lol
50mineral
Profile Joined June 2011
Hungary43 Posts
June 28 2011 07:24 GMT
#474
On June 28 2011 16:16 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 15:27 50mineral wrote:
On June 28 2011 07:57 Shikyo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz1wy9JTi6I

This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way...

But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.


lol despite not having a single idea whats going on the screen (i.e. only those can watch and appreciate who plays it unlike quake) i can tell every decent quake/starcraft player just laughs with full mouth when it comes to skill and these dota games. personally know a guy who got really good in dota, but he couldnt even reach midskill in quake, he agreed too that these games are far easier.



Everyone thinks they're 'really good' at DotA. If I haven't heard of your friend, he probably was not any good.


being top 10 countrywise and taking games off of several bigger teams like mYm, but anyway i have no idea it was years ago what i know in quake he could never be even top 50 countrywise so for the comparsion part i think its right
Bloodash
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands1384 Posts
June 28 2011 07:26 GMT
#475
On June 28 2011 16:01 50mineral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 15:54 Fus wrote:
League of legends is way bigger than quake, even bigger than starcraft 2 and counterstrike. It deserves the spot.


sims 2 is way bigger than LoL. wonder why it isnt in the lineup


if it where in any form competitive it might as well deserved a spot too
whatever attracts the biggest audience, so I can't blame them
I'll bite this hand that feeds me, and take it for my own!
LayZRR
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany449 Posts
June 28 2011 07:32 GMT
#476
Srsly i am done with lol. Fuck this. Nobody replaces quake. NOBODY!
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
June 28 2011 07:33 GMT
#477
On June 28 2011 15:34 papaz wrote:
wow. Even though it was ages ago I played quake (when quake arena was new) I always followed the scene because the games at pro level are really exciting.

Really sad to see that Quake was removed. I guess LoL has grown really big.

Is LoL a "bigger" game than SC2? Does it have more spectators, anyone know?

It's F2P, so yeah, it probably has
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10974 Posts
June 28 2011 07:42 GMT
#478
On June 28 2011 16:24 50mineral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 16:16 Ocedic wrote:
On June 28 2011 15:27 50mineral wrote:
On June 28 2011 07:57 Shikyo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz1wy9JTi6I

This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way...

But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.


lol despite not having a single idea whats going on the screen (i.e. only those can watch and appreciate who plays it unlike quake) i can tell every decent quake/starcraft player just laughs with full mouth when it comes to skill and these dota games. personally know a guy who got really good in dota, but he couldnt even reach midskill in quake, he agreed too that these games are far easier.



Everyone thinks they're 'really good' at DotA. If I haven't heard of your friend, he probably was not any good.


being top 10 countrywise and taking games off of several bigger teams like mYm, but anyway i have no idea it was years ago what i know in quake he could never be even top 50 countrywise so for the comparsion part i think its right


This is the most retarded argument i have ever read.

I was, a long time ago, really good in SC/BW (in my country).
I was, a long time ago, really, really good in WC3 (in my country and also pretty good europe wide).
I tryed some Quake, Half Life... And never got close to the Top, i got to a point were i wasn't a 100% freekill but not much further.
Dota, SC/BW, Quake and CS all require very diffrent skillsets. Comparing them is just stupid.

It's like comparing... Football, Volleyball and Basketball... Just because you play all these games with a Ball you won't be as good/talented/gifted/whatever in the 3 games, no matter how much you train... One of it will suit you the best.
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
June 28 2011 07:43 GMT
#479
No Quake Live !?!??!

WHAAAAT !?!?! ;O

thats extremely stupid ! oh my god...
T H C makes ppl happy
arctics86
Profile Joined December 2008
Germany797 Posts
June 28 2011 07:52 GMT
#480
On June 28 2011 15:47 Gurgl wrote:
ESL is a bad organization, they owe alot of prizemoney to players and teams of different games. Until they payout everything they owe and give a public excuse for their unprofessional behaviour I don't care that much about their tournaments when there are so many better ones around.

Don't expect to see any prizemoney if you are going to any ESL tournament to compete.


You either confuse ESL with ESWC, you are uninformed or this is defamation.

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