This isn't going to turn into another LoL vs (all other games apparently) thread. You can speak your mind about the selection of games but keep it civil.
This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the Way...
But Yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.
I think LoL deserves to do whatever it wants; if viewers want to watch it (and they clearly do) then it can be in any tournament that takes it. However, linking one short clip doesn't prove it takes any more skill than anything. DotA has been doing far more impressive stuff for years, on top of having more difficult mechanics and requiring more map awareness.
Case and point why I fell LoL gets too much recognition. It aggravates me but it is what esports boils down too at the moment. I prefer games with a much higher skill ceiling, and LoL does not fit into it.
Ah...so LoL does not have a high enough skill ceiling? Can you explain why that is the case?
Its a lot of comparing to DotA. It would take a lot of explaining and most would disagree. But if you were really interested I could list the main problems LoL has.
I play LoL a crapton, and I can say for sure that LoL has less skill requirements than any other MOBA (BLC, HoN, DOTA, DOTA2)
This is because: The control system for LoL is terrible. Like, seriously bad. You are "autolocked" into one champion. This severely reduces the game's skill cap, because you can only control one unit at a time - ever. Sure, there are champions that can create a "double", but there's only 2 of these champions, and you only control up to 1 additional "unit". So basically, in SC2 terms it's like controlling a single infestor or ghost or high templar for the entire game.
In DOTA and HoN, you can box several units (much like SC2) and the control panel will show all the units you've selected, with one "main" unit. I think this is a spinoff of how Blizzard made WC3. In BLC, your single champion has like 14-16 moves and skills, compared to LoL (1 champion, 4 skills, possibly 1-2 other item-skills).
There's plenty of other reasons why LoL is not considered very hard to play (no denying, no loss of money upon death) and many features of LoL that cause people to further mistake LoL to be a noob game (cartoonish graphics, free to play, simple HUD, etc), but I think the control system is why LoL is a terrible esports game.
LoL is to DotA as SC2 is to BW. I guess that means SC2 is a terrible esports game too.
ESL is a bad organization, they owe alot of prizemoney to players and teams of different games. Until they payout everything they owe and give a public excuse for their unprofessional behaviour I don't care that much about their tournaments when there are so many better ones around.
Don't expect to see any prizemoney if you are going to any ESL tournament to compete.
On June 28 2011 05:17 Pratoss wrote: so many LoL haters rofl it may be an easier game then DotA and HoN but those two games are nearly dead in the same sense bw (foreigner scene) is as well.
For E-sports to grow you need viewers and HoN and DotA wouldn't get anywhere near the numbers LoL can and most likely will if Riot keeps promoting it.
too bad no one wants e-sports to grow if shitty, casual games like LoL are even considered to be 'e-sports'
the only reason LoL gets those numbers is because it's free, not because the game is good, but keep trying
how can people be picky about what grows e-sports.. once e-sports is huge its ok to be picky but how can u hate on something thats growing e-sports? makes no sense..
This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way...
But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.
That's pretty easy to do (srsly lol).
I don't play professionally and i can do that as well as any average player in WC3:FT (Warden) blink and Shadow Strike. Hide then blink again pwned alot of heroes with this imba skill.
This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way...
But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.
lol despite not having a single idea whats going on the screen (i.e. only those can watch and appreciate who plays it unlike quake) i can tell every decent quake/starcraft player just laughs with full mouth when it comes to skill and these dota games. personally know a guy who got really good in dota, but he couldnt even reach midskill in quake, he agreed too that these games are far easier.
Everyone thinks they're 'really good' at DotA. If I haven't heard of your friend, he probably was not any good.
This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way...
But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.
lol despite not having a single idea whats going on the screen (i.e. only those can watch and appreciate who plays it unlike quake) i can tell every decent quake/starcraft player just laughs with full mouth when it comes to skill and these dota games. personally know a guy who got really good in dota, but he couldnt even reach midskill in quake, he agreed too that these games are far easier.
Everyone thinks they're 'really good' at DotA. If I haven't heard of your friend, he probably was not any good.
being top 10 countrywise and taking games off of several bigger teams like mYm, but anyway i have no idea it was years ago what i know in quake he could never be even top 50 countrywise so for the comparsion part i think its right
On June 28 2011 15:34 papaz wrote: wow. Even though it was ages ago I played quake (when quake arena was new) I always followed the scene because the games at pro level are really exciting.
Really sad to see that Quake was removed. I guess LoL has grown really big.
Is LoL a "bigger" game than SC2? Does it have more spectators, anyone know?
This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way...
But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.
lol despite not having a single idea whats going on the screen (i.e. only those can watch and appreciate who plays it unlike quake) i can tell every decent quake/starcraft player just laughs with full mouth when it comes to skill and these dota games. personally know a guy who got really good in dota, but he couldnt even reach midskill in quake, he agreed too that these games are far easier.
Everyone thinks they're 'really good' at DotA. If I haven't heard of your friend, he probably was not any good.
being top 10 countrywise and taking games off of several bigger teams like mYm, but anyway i have no idea it was years ago what i know in quake he could never be even top 50 countrywise so for the comparsion part i think its right
This is the most retarded argument i have ever read.
I was, a long time ago, really good in SC/BW (in my country). I was, a long time ago, really, really good in WC3 (in my country and also pretty good europe wide). I tryed some Quake, Half Life... And never got close to the Top, i got to a point were i wasn't a 100% freekill but not much further. Dota, SC/BW, Quake and CS all require very diffrent skillsets. Comparing them is just stupid.
It's like comparing... Football, Volleyball and Basketball... Just because you play all these games with a Ball you won't be as good/talented/gifted/whatever in the 3 games, no matter how much you train... One of it will suit you the best.
On June 28 2011 15:47 Gurgl wrote: ESL is a bad organization, they owe alot of prizemoney to players and teams of different games. Until they payout everything they owe and give a public excuse for their unprofessional behaviour I don't care that much about their tournaments when there are so many better ones around.
Don't expect to see any prizemoney if you are going to any ESL tournament to compete.
You either confuse ESL with ESWC, you are uninformed or this is defamation.
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