EPTI play at a little bit more than 120, and i feel i'm slow as hell.
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
I play at a little bit more than 120, and i feel i'm slow as hell. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
That's faster than anything I've ever heard about BW pros. To my knowledge, there are quite a few who can play at around 400 APM. It is said that by.hero is sick fast, how quick can he go? What's the highest recorded APM over a game (not July's 800 APM peak) in televised matches? | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
If only merz would have 470 -useful- clicks per minute, he'd be so sick. Luckily clicking fast isn't everything in sc2  | ||
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KiWiKaKi
Canada691 Posts
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OriginalBeast
United States709 Posts
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
On June 26 2011 21:24 Megaliskuu wrote: I've put alot of reps into bwrepinfo before, and it seems a good average is around 400-425, with EAPM of around 220-250. But then there are guys like stork who are slow, and guys like hero who are ridiculously fast (but still do terrible).  Hyuk is another high apm guy with arguably more success than hero. Seen him get 500+ average in a game (peaking at high 600s). Zerg seems to require the highest apm as well, similar to how I perceive the average to be in SC2 (although admittedly, it seems that Protoss and Terran do benefit more due to their micro tricks).A large chunk of BW apm was for macro and rally resetting (other large components were multitask and micro tricks). I wonder where  meRz's 470 goes to? Watching the FPVOD of someone like SeleCT or  HuK, the APM seems to go to multitask and micro. On the other hand, someone like Major or IdrA seem to put more time in base management.On June 26 2011 21:34 Scorch wrote: 470 APM? As an average over the course of the whole tournament? That's faster than anything I've ever heard about BW pros. To my knowledge, there are quite a few who can play at around 400 APM. It is said that by.hero is sick fast, how quick can he go? What's the highest recorded APM over a game (not July's 800 APM peak) in televised matches? I'm sure I've seen quite a few 500+ games (none over 15 mins though). | ||
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On June 26 2011 21:34 Scorch wrote: 470 APM? As an average over the course of the whole tournament? That's faster than anything I've ever heard about BW pros. To my knowledge, there are quite a few who can play at around 400 APM. It is said that by.hero is sick fast, how quick can he go? What's the highest recorded APM over a game (not July's 800 APM peak) in televised matches? Hyuk is probably the fastest player in SCBW There are many terrans in Pro SCBW that average 400+ apm | ||
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Ryka
United Kingdom254 Posts
On June 26 2011 21:29 7mk wrote: So that obviously still clearly shows that his 130 apm are not used in the most effective way? Even top players in SC2 are still not that amazing compared to BW, saying you surely dont need more apm is kinda silly What? No clue what you're trying to say or how it's related to GoOdy's unit queues. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
On June 26 2011 21:37 Caladbolg wrote: Hyuk is another high apm guy with arguably more success than hero. Seen him get 500+ average in a game (peaking at high 600s). Zerg seems to require the highest apm as well, similar to how I perceive the average to be in SC2 (although admittedly, it seems that Protoss and Terran do benefit more due to their micro tricks). A large chunk of BW apm was for macro and rally resetting (other large components were multitask and micro tricks). I wonder where merz's 470 goes to? Watching the FPVOD of someone like Select or Huk, the APM seems to go to multitask and micro. On the other hand, someone like Major or Idra seem to put more time in base management. As a Zerg BW player, alot of apm comes from going 1click 2click 3click 4click 5click 6click 7click 8click 9click to move your army around the map, I was a shit C/low C+ player but I averaged 340-360 apm just because moving mass ling armies added lots of actions. | ||
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JesusOurSaviour
United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
On June 26 2011 21:32 XenocideFTW wrote: I think he may** have been referring to BW professionals. Current SCII Koreans bar Losira, probs hit around the same as MC. Don't forget MC, Losira (ThunderfOu) bomber, etc are all borderline BW-progamers... B-teamers at best. (MVP started for Woonjin stars because they really didn't have a good terran at that time).This post is just wrong. MC, Bomber, July, were all at that tournament. They're nowhere near 350, they're top Koreans. Top koreans don't "average" 350. | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On June 26 2011 21:32 XenocideFTW wrote: This post is just wrong. MC, Bomber, July, were all at that tournament. They're nowhere near 350, they're top Koreans. Top koreans don't "average" 350. Hyperbole, sue me. MC and July are both near 350 (real apm which is what I was referring to). Top Koreans are ~200 SC2 apm minimum with some higher. So fine, average 325 or so. Whatever. | ||
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Rarak
Australia631 Posts
On June 26 2011 21:20 MrCeeJ wrote: I love how the 'press F2 to check my expo site still exists for the 5th time' action is given the exact same weighting as the 'building a robo to counter the DT rush I am preparing for based of scouting a second early gass' action. In short once you can think fast enough to get what you need to do figured out, and click fast enough to do it it is all about the quality of the actions and not the quantity. EDIT: Clearly if you can maintain your win rate, the lower the apm the better. Learning bad spam habits, over microing, wasting time, energy and resources, developing CTS/RSI or worse. As someone who had CTS/RSI and are now cured. Don't spread that bullshit, you dont get it from using computers - which is good news. | ||
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Rarak
Australia631 Posts
On June 26 2011 21:33 Noocta wrote: I seriously don't know how they can play at pro level with less than 150-200 APM. I play at a little bit more than 120, and i feel i'm slow as hell. Low apm pros likely don't do many unnecessary actions, or at least, actions which only have a small positive impact on their play. However, obviously having 2x as much useable apm like MC vs goody is going to be good (pardon the pun). | ||
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
On June 26 2011 21:40 Megaliskuu wrote: As a Zerg BW player, alot of apm comes from going 1click 2click 3click 4click 5click 6click 7click 8click 9click to move your army around the map, I was a shit C/low C+ player but I averaged 341 apm just because moving mass ling armies added lots of actions. True. I play random in BW and I hate getting Zerg cause I have so much trouble late game moving the incredibly fast cracklings around the map. At that point it's so hard to avoid minefield. I can't imagine how ZerO or Jaedong does it so well late game (in the sense that their armies move like one). Plus the fact that you have to burrow Lurkers, Swarm + Consume with Defilers, clone with Scourge... Crazy. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
Im curious about how much merz used his apm as effective or just spamming to keep hands warm. I feel with lower apm you must be a very intelligent and strategic person to handle everything well at pro level, and if you got higher apm you can be more of a reactive person and just respond to what the other person does. | ||
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TheSilverfox
Sweden1928 Posts
On June 26 2011 21:12 Paladia wrote: Joinsimon compiled a list of the top 10 and bottom 10 average APM throughout Dreamhack Summer. Top 10 APM during Dreamhack Summer (Ingame APM / Real APM) 1. Dignitas.Merz = 339 / 470 2. TT1 = 247 / 343 3. oGsMC = 243 / 338 4. PredY = 234 / 324 5. July = 228 / 317 6. AiOsho = 222 / 308 7. LiquidHuk = 215 / 298 8. mouz.MorroW = 211 / 292 9. VirusNaama = 206 / 285 10. FnaticMSISen = 204 / 283 Bottom 10 APM during Dreamhack Summer (Ingame APM / Real APM) 1. VirusElfi = 85 / 118 2. ESCGoody = 96 / 133 3. Dignitas.SjoW = 98 / 135 4. MAdelscott = 108 / 149 5. White-Ra = 127 / 175 6. Grubby = 130 / 180 7. mouz.Thorzain = 130 / 180 8. aTnSocke = 131 / 181 9. LiquidJinro = 139 / 193 10. MDieStar = 144 / 200 Not counting the first two minutes has pretty much no impact on these numbers. Source: reddit Joinsimon is me btw. I'm currently gathering some more info and stats from the tournament - this was just the first I could find. Stay tuned for more  . | ||
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dartoo
India2889 Posts
On June 26 2011 21:15 Megaliskuu wrote: Its kinda sad that people can be top players with 130 apm though  .It's also sad that people can have 500+ apm and still be in bronze :p. This one guy I was playing with was clearly bad, but in the replay he had like 800 apm, dont know how he got that much, even if your spamming...800+ lol. The actual game started..it fell down to 90 :D | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On June 26 2011 21:34 Scorch wrote: 470 APM? As an average over the course of the whole tournament? That's faster than anything I've ever heard about BW pros. To my knowledge, there are quite a few who can play at around 400 APM. It is said that by.hero is sick fast, how quick can he go? What's the highest recorded APM over a game (not July's 800 APM peak) in televised matches? i think effort vs kal in the semis of korean air osl season 1 was a series in which the 2nd game was a 4pool vs defense, the microing went on for several minutes until effort prevailed. after the game they showed the game statistics and both had an average apm of over 480 and a peak apm of close to 600. but that game was only something like 8-9 minutes long. | ||
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Popss
Sweden176 Posts
One of the thing I actually find somewhat annoying when playing SC2 is how in games you sometimes need 350 APM to do everything correctly and sometimes you only need 80 APM even if you're late in the game. Just creates a weird "flow" when playing for me atleast. | ||
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