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Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
June 26 2011 12:20 GMT
#21
This is just gonna end up in an APM-whine thread again probably...
atleast it proves that APM doesn't mean too much aslong as you have enough to do proper multitasking.
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
June 26 2011 12:20 GMT
#22
On June 26 2011 21:16 FinnGamer wrote:
Isn't Ingame APM 1,33333 times slower than Real apm? You used the factor 1,39, still gives a good overlook though

According to the Team Liquid game speed wiki entry it is 1.38 (which uses Tamer as the source, he says 1.39 though). Check http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Game_Speed
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
DeLoAdEr
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Japan527 Posts
June 26 2011 12:21 GMT
#23
merz 470 apm wtf is this =D the only bw progamer coming close to this is by.hero i think
VirGin
Profile Joined February 2011
Norway278 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 12:23:41
June 26 2011 12:21 GMT
#24
On June 26 2011 21:17 Megaliskuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 21:17 VirGin wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:14 Megaliskuu wrote:
Thank you maybe now people will shut up about sjow having "90 apm".



He is listed with 98...


Only idiots go by sc2 apm. Its Actions Per Minute, not "Actions per poorly designed blizzard minute"


Doesnt matter. No one is gonna bother calcing out the average "real" apm 99% of the time. People will refer to the apm as shown ingame. I do agree that it's silly that blizz doesnt show real apm ingame though.
lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
June 26 2011 12:22 GMT
#25
On June 26 2011 21:14 Megaliskuu wrote:
Thank you maybe now people will shut up about sjow having "90 apm".


You could see in the July game on Shakura's that Sjow's didn't have the multitasking (or apm) to handle all the multi pronged attacks. I think it is a relevant point in his case.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 12:23:22
June 26 2011 12:22 GMT
#26
On June 26 2011 21:19 funk100 wrote:
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On June 26 2011 21:15 Megaliskuu wrote:
Its kinda sad that people can be top players with 130 apm though .

130 APM is enough to do all you need to do in Sc2 if you use it efficiently.

Well, for now. I think it's gradually changing though. Can you keep up with MMA's multitasking with 130apm? Doubtful.

For comparison's sake, is there a similar list for BW progamers?
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
June 26 2011 12:23 GMT
#27
rofl at merz.... what the fuck. How many keyboards does he destroy weekly?

Cool to see a baller like white-ra only having to use 130apm
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7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
June 26 2011 12:24 GMT
#28
On June 26 2011 21:19 funk100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 21:15 Megaliskuu wrote:
Its kinda sad that people can be top players with 130 apm though .

130 APM is enough to do all you need to do in Sc2 if you use it efficiently.


sure, thats why goody never queues up any units or anything
beep boop
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
June 26 2011 12:24 GMT
#29
On June 26 2011 21:22 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 21:19 funk100 wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:15 Megaliskuu wrote:
Its kinda sad that people can be top players with 130 apm though .

130 APM is enough to do all you need to do in Sc2 if you use it efficiently.

Well, for now. I think it's gradually changing though. Can you keep up with MMA's multitasking with 130apm? Doubtful.

For comparison's sake, is there a similar list for BW progamers?


I've put alot of reps into bwrepinfo before, and it seems a good average is around 400-425, with EAPM of around 220-250.

But then there are guys like stork who are slow, and guys like hero who are ridiculously fast (but still do terrible).
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FinnGamer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany2426 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 12:25:35
June 26 2011 12:25 GMT
#30
On June 26 2011 21:20 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 21:16 FinnGamer wrote:
Isn't Ingame APM 1,33333 times slower than Real apm? You used the factor 1,39, still gives a good overlook though

According to the Team Liquid game speed wiki entry it is 1.38 (which uses Tamer as the source, he says 1.39 though). Check http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Game_Speed

According to the http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/APM Page it's 1,33 o_O
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Ryka
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom254 Posts
June 26 2011 12:25 GMT
#31
On June 26 2011 21:24 7mk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 21:19 funk100 wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:15 Megaliskuu wrote:
Its kinda sad that people can be top players with 130 apm though .

130 APM is enough to do all you need to do in Sc2 if you use it efficiently.


sure, thats why goody never queues up any units or anything


That's not related to APM, it's related more to lack of production buildings. Other low apm players don't do it.
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
June 26 2011 12:25 GMT
#32
Even in BW there are player who succeed with relatively low apm--maybe not 130, but definitely down around 200. And the super high apm beyond that doesn't necessarily equate to greater success..

Frankly, I think the apm differences between the games are fairly overblown. Basic not sucking requires less apm in SC2, but if you have the apm for it there are enough apm sinks, particularly in high level micro, that you'll be able to put it to good use, as MC for example does mixing in crazy blink play with normal army control and not letting his macro ever slip.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
PredY
Profile Joined September 2009
Czech Republic1731 Posts
June 26 2011 12:26 GMT
#33
i played 1h game vs goody too and he was the one who wanted a break afterwards!!! :D
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7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
June 26 2011 12:27 GMT
#34
On June 26 2011 21:24 Megaliskuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 21:22 Yaotzin wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:19 funk100 wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:15 Megaliskuu wrote:
Its kinda sad that people can be top players with 130 apm though .

130 APM is enough to do all you need to do in Sc2 if you use it efficiently.

Well, for now. I think it's gradually changing though. Can you keep up with MMA's multitasking with 130apm? Doubtful.

For comparison's sake, is there a similar list for BW progamers?


I've put alot of reps into bwrepinfo before, and it seems a good average is around 400-425, with EAPM of around 220-250.

But then there are guys like stork who are slow, and guys like hero who are ridiculously fast (but still do terrible).


a list like this should be compared to BW foreigners though, and I'm pretty sure that in BW there were several decent foreigners who had below 200 apm
beep boop
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 12:28:39
June 26 2011 12:27 GMT
#35
On June 26 2011 21:21 DeLoAdEr wrote:
merz 470 apm wtf is this =D the only bw progamer coming close to this is by.hero i think


nada too :>

On June 26 2011 21:26 PredY wrote:
i played 1h game vs goody too and he was the one who wanted a break afterwards!!! :D


hahaha, that made me lol :D
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
June 26 2011 12:28 GMT
#36
Players must play well, high APm will be after that. But not first super-fast APM with terrible gamestyle, foodblocks, no scouting, etc.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 12:30:18
June 26 2011 12:29 GMT
#37
On June 26 2011 21:25 Ryka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 21:24 7mk wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:19 funk100 wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:15 Megaliskuu wrote:
Its kinda sad that people can be top players with 130 apm though .

130 APM is enough to do all you need to do in Sc2 if you use it efficiently.


sure, thats why goody never queues up any units or anything


That's not related to APM, it's related more to lack of production buildings. Other low apm players don't do it.


So that obviously still clearly shows that his 130 apm are not used in the most effective way?
Even top players in SC2 are still not that amazing compared to BW, saying you surely dont need more apm is kinda silly
beep boop
rareh
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal298 Posts
June 26 2011 12:30 GMT
#38
On June 26 2011 21:15 Megaliskuu wrote:
Its kinda sad that people can be top players with 130 apm though .


Well i think in a strategy game it should be more important what you do, then how fast you can press buttons or click the mouse.

Then it ain't so strategical anymore...
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
June 26 2011 12:30 GMT
#39
On June 26 2011 21:27 7mk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 21:24 Megaliskuu wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:22 Yaotzin wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:19 funk100 wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:15 Megaliskuu wrote:
Its kinda sad that people can be top players with 130 apm though .

130 APM is enough to do all you need to do in Sc2 if you use it efficiently.

Well, for now. I think it's gradually changing though. Can you keep up with MMA's multitasking with 130apm? Doubtful.

For comparison's sake, is there a similar list for BW progamers?


I've put alot of reps into bwrepinfo before, and it seems a good average is around 400-425, with EAPM of around 220-250.

But then there are guys like stork who are slow, and guys like hero who are ridiculously fast (but still do terrible).


a list like this should be compared to BW foreigners though, and I'm pretty sure that in BW there were several decent foreigners who had below 200 apm

Yeah the Koreans in general are much higher. An average Korean top 10 would probably be 350 or something.
Bkennedy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States266 Posts
June 26 2011 12:32 GMT
#40
On June 26 2011 21:30 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 21:27 7mk wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:24 Megaliskuu wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:22 Yaotzin wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:19 funk100 wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:15 Megaliskuu wrote:
Its kinda sad that people can be top players with 130 apm though .

130 APM is enough to do all you need to do in Sc2 if you use it efficiently.

Well, for now. I think it's gradually changing though. Can you keep up with MMA's multitasking with 130apm? Doubtful.

For comparison's sake, is there a similar list for BW progamers?


I've put alot of reps into bwrepinfo before, and it seems a good average is around 400-425, with EAPM of around 220-250.

But then there are guys like stork who are slow, and guys like hero who are ridiculously fast (but still do terrible).


a list like this should be compared to BW foreigners though, and I'm pretty sure that in BW there were several decent foreigners who had below 200 apm

Yeah the Koreans in general are much higher. An average Korean top 10 would probably be 350 or something.


This post is just wrong.

MC, Bomber, July, were all at that tournament. They're nowhere near 350, they're top Koreans. Top koreans don't "average" 350.
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