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Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
June 25 2011 23:53 GMT
#121
Highlander. If SC2 ends up like BW it'll be the fault of all the NA/EU players that decided to slack at the beginning since they were getting easy money just because they were local and not necessarily because they were the best. If you want to be the best you gotta put MORE or EQUAL amounts of time that your competitors put in. If not you'll always be second fiddle and sooner or later irrelevant.

I just want to see the best SC2 possible, I don't care if my nationality is represented. It'll be a plus if it was but, not a requirement.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 23:54:30
June 25 2011 23:53 GMT
#122
Foreigners who practice as hard and as efficiently as most Korean progamers will be able to beat Korean progamers. There's no Starcraft gene Koreans are born with.

It's really a question of effort and money at this point, not of genetics.
Looky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1608 Posts
June 25 2011 23:54 GMT
#123
see if we have more big foreigner tournaments. koreans will leave korea and play in them. We are seeing alot of koreans going into foreign teams such as fnatic, reign, etc. this is good for everyone
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 23:55:24
June 25 2011 23:54 GMT
#124
It's pretty simple,
koreans will win every online tourney they enter because they have a few builds they pratice about 100.000 times a day that counter most builds ur opponent can do.
If u have such an arsenal of builds it's only normal you can make it this far in tourneys, I wanna make a bet that almost none of the korean games before the quarterfinals were longer then 15 mins.

My point is, I'd rather watch the best Non-koreans competing since they are fun too watch and I sort of know who they are. I don't get that same feeling when watching Koreans at all, sure they play good but I couldn't give a **** who wins or loses when I watch them playing
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 23:56:32
June 25 2011 23:54 GMT
#125
On June 26 2011 08:48 Beastyqt wrote: I've heard quite a few comments already from EU progamers something like "whats the point in even going to lan's if MC or any player of his caliber are going to attend it".

Then they are a disgrace to their profession and should quit and stick to playing ladder/customs with their friends like the rest of us who are too bad to compete. We don't want to watch them play.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
June 25 2011 23:54 GMT
#126
On June 26 2011 08:48 Beastyqt wrote:
... Who would get motivation to practise when you know that they have MORE and BETTER practise than you since they have progamer houses and good schedule for practising plus basically better opponents to practise with.
I saw someone wrote "dont be coward to play koreans and go practise more", I doubt any foreigner is scared to play them, but its really discouraging to know from now on that you cant even play online tournaments without koreans in them - lets face it they are better than foreigners (in general ALL foreigners vs ALL koreans) and that will never change for reason I said above.


You say it'll never change because Koreans have team houses and practice schedules, etc., but there's no reason those things can't exist outside Korea. Yeah, lots of players (and I bet lots of teams, too) don't have the drive or practical circumstances to do those things. What's going to have to happen is that those players who do will consolidate and practice with each other (maybe dropping the number of foreign teams) and push to get as good as the Koreans. If there are enough talented people willing to do that, there will be an active sc2 pro scene in the west. If there aren't enough, the west will just be watching and it'll go back to anyone who wants to really earn a living playing having to move to Korea.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
June 25 2011 23:57 GMT
#127
sure they play good but I couldn't give a **** who wins or loses when I watch them playing


you obviously never followed BW. ^^
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 23:58:05
June 25 2011 23:57 GMT
#128
On June 26 2011 08:54 aristarchus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 08:48 Beastyqt wrote:
... Who would get motivation to practise when you know that they have MORE and BETTER practise than you since they have progamer houses and good schedule for practising plus basically better opponents to practise with.
I saw someone wrote "dont be coward to play koreans and go practise more", I doubt any foreigner is scared to play them, but its really discouraging to know from now on that you cant even play online tournaments without koreans in them - lets face it they are better than foreigners (in general ALL foreigners vs ALL koreans) and that will never change for reason I said above.


You say it'll never change because Koreans have team houses and practice schedules, etc., but there's no reason those things can't exist outside Korea. Yeah, lots of players (and I bet lots of teams, too) don't have the drive or practical circumstances to do those things. What's going to have to happen is that those players who do will consolidate and practice with each other (maybe dropping the number of foreign teams) and push to get as good as the Koreans. If there are enough talented people willing to do that, there will be an active sc2 pro scene in the west. If there aren't enough, the west will just be watching and it'll go back to anyone who wants to really earn a living playing having to move to Korea.


Some European teams are already consolidating and forming houses. International competition might actually be working.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
June 25 2011 23:57 GMT
#129
Seeing koreans owning it up has been very good. It just shows the players who practice the hardest and show dedication will achieve more. If foreigners who play much little could achieve the same success that would show how bad a game starcraft 2 is in terms of skill ceiling.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
June 25 2011 23:58 GMT
#130
On June 26 2011 08:53 Hrrrrm wrote:
Highlander. If SC2 ends up like BW it'll be the fault of all the NA/EU players that decided to slack at the beginning since they were getting easy money just because they were local and not necessarily because they were the best. If you want to be the best you gotta put MORE or EQUAL amounts of time that your competitors put in. If not you'll always be second fiddle and sooner or later irrelevant.

I just want to see the best SC2 possible, I don't care if my nationality is represented. It'll be a plus if it was but, not a requirement.


I can't entirely agree with this. First off I too don't care about nationality, at least not much (I was cheering for quite a few Koreans to do well in the NASL over foreigners) but having more "local" tournaments can lead to sc2 being taken more seriously. That would include having more team houses, more teams, more events, more viewers, and esports being more widely accepted around the world.

The other point I wanted to make was in responce to "I just want to see the best SC2 possible." Would you honestly rather watch two well programmed computers play against each other if those computers would show the best starcraft? And then those computers would keep playing each other over and over because they are the most well programmed? That's an honest question if you'd be willing to answer.

Since when did watching games only become about nothing but skill. What about the story of the players, and the fan interaction. Don't get me wrong, I too appreciate good games, but I think it is a bit ridiculous to just say that all you can care about is the highest skill.
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
June 25 2011 23:59 GMT
#131
I'm more than happy with a ton of Koreans playing internationally as long as they don't start outnumbering foreigners in global tournaments, then things might be out of hands, but even like 50/50 is all cool for me.

Why would I not want to see the best players whenever possible. Denying Koreans would be pretty pathetic.
JohnnyBlaze420
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia820 Posts
June 25 2011 23:59 GMT
#132
wow everytime koreans compete in foreign tournaments and dominate, one of these threads pops up every single time. The answer is always the same... people wanna see the best of the best!
It should make foreigners wanna step up their games!
.lets get weird
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 00:01:24
June 26 2011 00:00 GMT
#133
On June 26 2011 08:58 Chicane wrote:
The other point I wanted to make was in responce to "I just want to see the best SC2 possible." Would you honestly rather watch two well programmed computers play against each other if those computers would show the best starcraft? And then those computers would keep playing each other over and over because they are the most well programmed? That's an honest question if you'd be willing to answer.


People pay massive amounts of money to see Flash and Jaedong play.

Just FYI.
two.watup
Profile Joined March 2011
United States371 Posts
June 26 2011 00:00 GMT
#134
I'd rather watch better players.

You can change their names to Josh and William in your mind, if you want foreign representation.

Korea supports progaming more. It's better to have the money going towards competitive infrastructure that can last 13 years (BW).
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
June 26 2011 00:00 GMT
#135
If foreigners are discouraged by Koreans playing in tourneys, they are a disgrace imho. They should be inspired to practice harder if the Koreans are dominating + they should be happy they are in the position to play against some of the best players in the world.
KiLL_ORdeR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1518 Posts
June 26 2011 00:00 GMT
#136
There isn't any reason why Koreans shouldn't participate in a NA tournament, just the same as there isn't be any reason why a German or Swede shouldn't participate in a NA tournament. Everyone has the same opportunity to play this game and be good, so there isn't any reason why everyone shouldn't have the same opportunity to participate in any tournament.
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nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
June 26 2011 00:00 GMT
#137
Another thing I like about Koreans winning a lot is that it shows that SC2 IS a skill based game and not a series of "coin flips" and "lucky wins" that a lot of people try to claim it is. If that was the case the hardest practicing and most skilled players would not consistently rise to the top.
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
June 26 2011 00:01 GMT
#138
Hopefully the rest of the world will get tired of being roflstomped by the Koreans and start playing better. Then we'll have a real worldwide competition.
Marines > everything
ribboo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1842 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 00:01:56
June 26 2011 00:01 GMT
#139
On June 26 2011 08:54 Jakkerr wrote:
It's pretty simple,
koreans will win every online tourney they enter because they have a few builds they pratice about 100.000 times a day that counter most builds ur opponent can do.
If u have such an arsenal of builds it's only normal you can make it this far in tourneys, I wanna make a bet that almost none of the korean games before the quarterfinals were longer then 15 mins.

My point is, I'd rather watch the best Non-koreans competing since they are fun too watch and I sort of know who they are. I don't get that same feeling when watching Koreans at all, sure they play good but I couldn't give a **** who wins or loses when I watch them playing

yes, they 4 gate. why do anything else when ur playing scrubs? I played hwangsin today, why would he do anything time consuming when he can 4gate me? when it gets to quarterfinals, when they reach bo3, they do other stuff. simple as that.
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
June 26 2011 00:02 GMT
#140
non-Koreans should know to work even harder for their money, bring them in! as long as every tour doens't turn into a GSL, with 2-3 foreign players
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