EPTBlizzard warns HuK/TLO for account sharing - Page 16
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koppik
United States676 Posts
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RHMVNovus
United States738 Posts
On June 25 2011 03:12 Gnax wrote: Poll: Who is stupid? Blizzard (173) People who complain about something they all agreed to when they bought the game (58) 231 total votes Your vote: Who is stupid? (Vote): Blizzard I'm trying to make sense of what the majority of people think here. Poll: How awesome is the quoted poll? The Best Poll (25) I think it's bad because I'm a horrible person (18) Good (2) Fantastic (2) 47 total votes Your vote: How awesome is the quoted poll? (Vote): Good | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45174 Posts
On June 25 2011 03:25 Liquid`Tyler wrote: ToS isn't law like you are saying. Ignorance of such agreements has been a good argument in court in the past. It depends on the specifics of the case. Interesting. Then why have ToS at all? | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5256 Posts
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Sajiki
Germany522 Posts
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
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MichaelJLowell
United States610 Posts
On June 25 2011 02:35 Rinnegan5 wrote: I think blizzard is one of the few companies where if you buy a game...you buy the right to use the game instead of actually owning it. Big gaming companies like EA try do this aswell by giving you a code for multiplayer which can only be used once and discouraging games being lend out or being sold to another person. Mostly you have an option to buy a new multiplayer code..but still..I think the system is really broken. Oh yeah...and having Lan option is also to much ask obviously even though your game is a huge esport. This is what every company wants to do. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals issued a ruling last year stating that End User License Agreements are as enforceable as the legality of the contents within. And even if they're not legal, somebody has to take them to court and pay for legal costs in a battle where the defendant is likely to possess a bottomless legal war chest. Nobody is spending tens-and-possibly-hundreds of thousands of dollars to challenge any of this because there's no financial incentive for anybody to do so. So you break a company's End User License Agreement. Congratulations, you can now...do...what, exactly? Legally modify software for non-commercial gain? If the legal system is going to give these companies the ability to state that their games are licensed and not sold, that's what they're going to do. That's what happens when you have people who defend morally questionable products with comments such as "They're a business and they're trying to make money!" and "You signed up for the End User License Agreement so that's the law!" If that's the case, then they're going to try and make money and they're going to claim that you signed the End User License Agreement so that's the law. | ||
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Akta
447 Posts
On June 25 2011 03:23 xBillehx wrote: No they didn't cover their ass because they basically can't. But laws are generally somewhat fair so it shouldn't matter for Blizzard anyway.This argument was brought up many times ages ago but theres a little white box on the SC2 cover that gives a mini TOS and link to the full version so you're clearly able to read it before buying. Blizzard covered their ass in Europe, they're not some idiotic company with no knowledge of the world market. | ||
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Di3s3l
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
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MichaelJLowell
United States610 Posts
On June 25 2011 03:30 xBillehx wrote: Yes many people are blowing it up to just spout Blizzard hate but all they did was kindly call up and ask that they not stream account sharing. They had every right to ban the account rightout but instead decided to call out of courtesy. It's also not really fair that TLO remains #1 on EU GM without the ability to play. It makes pretty good sense if you look at it without the blind hate. A private corporation called somebody up and chided them on how they could use their product. Over an entertainment product. I mean, what the hell? | ||
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oBlade
United States5784 Posts
On June 25 2011 03:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Interesting. Then why have ToS at all? A lot of your confusion must come from the fact that you're being hyperbolic and only trying to deal with extremes, when the actual situation is complicated and not something you can understand better by shutting your ears. | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
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Sworn
Canada920 Posts
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
On June 25 2011 03:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Interesting. Then why have ToS at all? Because naive people like you believe in them regardless. | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On June 25 2011 03:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Interesting. Then why have ToS at all? ToS is valid in some countries, but not others. I mean, if you look at it from a purely logical standpoint it makes sense to ignore ToS altogether. You can't read it, when you're buying the product and then, when you bring it home to install and actually read the damn thing, that's usually long as f*ck, what are your options, if you don't want to click agree? Because I'm pretty sure software is non-refundable almost everywhere in the world. They are already trying to limit us, so we can't sell the damn thing after we're done with it and now, we won't even be able to lend it to somebody? | ||
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CloudCat
Singapore159 Posts
On June 25 2011 03:22 ELA wrote: The cool way to approach it was to have reacted by fixing HuK's account so that he could practice and then send an E-mail, saying that accountsharing in public isn't cool and ask them to reffrain from doing this in the future.. completely agree with this. | ||
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blinken
Canada368 Posts
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tsuxiit
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On June 25 2011 03:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: No, it's in reference to all legal issues. All legal matters are "serious" to some extent, especially once you've committed a crime. You're still responsible for reading the agreement. Do you do it? Nah, it's a waste of time. Unless you actually do something that's expicitly written not to do. (I highly doubt you've read the entire Constitution, and certainly not every criminal has.) And besides, HuK and TLO were blatantly streaming and it was known that they were sharing an account, so it's going to be much easier to tell that they're breaking the ToS, as opposed to you sharing an account with your son. You and your son still legally shouldn't do it, but you probably won't get caught if you do. They got caught. Wow, you're awfully apologist for corporate institutions. Good luck with that mode of reasoning. I hope you enjoy the finger in the ass you get at the airport too. | ||
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decemvre
Romania639 Posts
On June 25 2011 03:14 splinter9 wrote: seriously fuck off with reading the agreement no one does that. Secondly it not even valid in a lot of the world. true, ToS / EULA are nothing in europe and the rest of the world. The only thing blizz can do is shut down the account after which the player could sue blizzard succesfully. | ||
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