EPTBlizzard warns HuK/TLO for account sharing - Page 15
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
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Hoon
Brazil891 Posts
On June 25 2011 03:15 vrok wrote: Money is the reason, yes, but piracy isn't. Period. Thinking that piracy is the reason is beyond naive. Blizzard does this because they want to have control over every game in every tournament everywhere. It has nothing to do with piracy. The map market is one of many Blizzard ideas that serve as proof for this. According to the ToS, you are not allowed to organize tournaments without consulting Blizzard. So they already have control over any relevant tournament. How can they care about money without caring about piracy? The only thing that decreases their income is the use of pirated and shared accounts. | ||
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dOofuS
United States342 Posts
Brood War did not restrict you to a region, or force you to buy the game multiple times to play with others globally. Brood War was also popular and profitable enough to remain on store shelves for over a decade, regardless of piracy. The game was making a profit, or it wouldn't have been there. I don't understand why Starcraft 2 cannot implement a system wherein the game needs to connect to Battle.net, but then can play on a LAN, as long as it remains connected. It would ping the Battle.net servers at a rate that Blizzard feels comfortable with, and if the connection was lost you either A) Pause the game until a connection is re-aquired, instead of dropping players and ending the match. B) Allow the game to finish and then require a connection to be made with Blizzard again before hosting any more matches. Blizzard would probably feel more comfortable with option A, but I don't understand why option B isn't doable, as it requires both players to be on active accounts at the start of the match. Why is this not possible? | ||
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Toxi78
966 Posts
what's the consequence of all of this ? banning TLO ? what will it change to blizzard other than negative advertisement made by themselves? | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
Mind = blown.... -.- -.- | ||
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Akta
447 Posts
On June 25 2011 03:11 Hoon wrote: It's quite unlikely that they plan on ever terminating accounts because of account sharing or that the higher ups even think account sharing is a problem though. You clearly didn't the thread I mentioned. Money is the main reason to not add LAN. Why would they remove a feature that has been out there for so long? Because the majority of the people that plays DotA casually play on Garena or any pirated server. Account sharing also takes their sales down. If you let pro-gamers share their account on a stream, but ban random players that share their accounts between friends, it's gonna be much worse. Just as I mentioned above, I don't think it's bad PR. They have to warm whoever breaks the ToS, so they can ask everyone to follow it, or else we can share our accounts and say that Blizz lets pro-players share their accounts but ban us for doing the same. And if they cared they probably wouldn't think the legal mess and bad PR would be worth it anyway. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On June 25 2011 03:20 chickenhawk wrote: TOS in europe = illegal Any contract you sign after you have bought something in europe is illegal! No one show me the TOS when i bought it, they only show me when i tryed to play the game. THEREFORE it is ILLEGAL. This argument was brought up many times ages ago but theres a little white box on the SC2 cover that gives a mini TOS and link to the full version so you're clearly able to read it before buying. Blizzard covered their ass in Europe, they're not some idiotic company with no knowledge of the world market. | ||
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oBlade
United States6063 Posts
An EULA that you get to read after you put a $60 charge on your credit card that tells you exactly how you can use the product? And you are fine believing that this agreement would be 100% accurate, 100% legal, not subject to dispute, or abuse by the organization who wrote it? That's fine, but I'll take my rights as they've been demonstrated by people taking trash EULAs to court for years. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
On June 25 2011 03:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: That's not an excuse to break the ToS. In general, ignorance of the law is not an excuse to break the law. ToS isn't law like you are saying. Ignorance of such agreements has been a good argument in court in the past. It depends on the specifics of the case. | ||
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Shrewmy
Australia199 Posts
What Blizzard should be doing is investigating players who seemingly log in from different locations very often for unexplainable reasons (obviously progamers would be expempt considering how often they travel). | ||
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oDieN[Siege]
United States2905 Posts
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simansh
257 Posts
On June 25 2011 03:22 ELA wrote: This is sooo bad PR for Blizzard.. I can't believe that they would take it to that level, I'm quite sad about that.. The cool way to approach it was to have reacted by fixing HuK's account so that he could practice and then send an E-mail, saying that accountsharing in public isn't cool and ask them to reffrain from doing this in the future.. Calling TaKe who isn't representing an organisation, but running this tournament privately and is doing an awesome job in exposing their game is just... Gah This is my thoughts exactly lol. This seems like a mistake by Blizzard, I don't think they had foreseen this :p. Who knows, maybe the poor guy who called TakE to do his job for activision will get fired now. :_; Anyway ToS is illegal anyway in Europe, so wtf. | ||
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Lynkilen
Norway211 Posts
Yet all that is going on here is "Oh that dastardly evil blizzard! How dare they enforce the rules on their own online service! that they run and foot the bill for.." | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45672 Posts
On June 25 2011 03:17 splinter9 wrote: yeah when your dealing with murder or something serious. This is a game. If me and my son need to buy two seperate accounts to play it should be well known, not two lines in a 10 page article of crap. No, it's in reference to all legal issues. All legal matters are "serious" to some extent, especially once you've committed a crime. You're still responsible for reading the agreement. Do you do it? Nah, it's a waste of time. Unless you actually do something that's expicitly written not to do. (I highly doubt you've read the entire Constitution, and certainly not every criminal has.) And besides, HuK and TLO were blatantly streaming and it was known that they were sharing an account, so it's going to be much easier to tell that they're breaking the ToS, as opposed to you sharing an account with your son. You and your son still legally shouldn't do it, but you probably won't get caught if you do. They got caught. | ||
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Gnax
Sweden490 Posts
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Orf
United States44 Posts
What the EULA says is that Blizz can ban you if you break the EULA But since the EULA is not legally binding they cannot sue you or press criminal charges for breaking the EULA. An example of this situation is people that use modded a XBOX, Microsoft will ban them from online play, but they will not send that individual a cease and desist order. What Blizzard is doing is completely within the rules. From what i understand, the problem that Blizzard had with Huk playing on TLOs account is that he was using TLOs account for custom games on a stream. While he may have problems finding a game on the ladder, he will have no problem creating or joining a custom game on his own account. | ||
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
On June 25 2011 03:22 Hoon wrote: According to the ToS, you are not allowed to organize tournaments without consulting Blizzard. So they already have control over any relevant tournament. How can they care about money without caring about piracy? The only thing that decreases their income is the use of pirated and shared accounts. If they can't enforce it, they don't have control over it. See KeSPA vs Blizzard. ToS isn't legally binding without going to court over it for a long time. It's not about 'losing income' (typical piracy bs), it's about growing Battle.net 2.0 to become a money generating platform. That is immensely more important to Blizzard financially than chasing mythical 'lost sales', and to do that they have to force everyone to use it, and under their full control. That's why we don't have LAN. What makes the situation so laughable and unreasonable is that Battle.net 2.0 is a HORRIBLE platform. | ||
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Modernist
United States89 Posts
- Sharing accounts is against the ToS. - Huk laddered on a Grandmaster account that was not his. - Blizzard is holding a tournament with a prize of thousands of dollars which is based on Grandmaster rankings. It's fairly easy to understand. Blizzard is well within their rights to do what they did. | ||
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