EPTCatz's argument explained - Page 16
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Liquid`HayprO
Iraq1230 Posts
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hippocritical
Australia465 Posts
I think what CatZ is trying to argue is that if Koreans take top 3 everytime, it's just pocket change for the foreign pros to win, but if Koreans place average in the GSL they get decent cash regardless, not to mention sponsorships. Either way it revolves around money, you need that money to develop the scene so you can get these nice big prize pools. It sort of infant industry argument but it was validity. Obviously there's too many ways to argue this, hopefully in time the scene will grow by itself and the problem goes away. If not there's always SC3 >.> | ||
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1238 Posts
On June 17 2011 21:27 Liquid`HayprO wrote: i always knew catz was a racist hahahahahha <3 god I love you, you're like yoda hayder, except cuter, you always drop 3-4 words but they always crack me up <3 | ||
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DennyR
Germany379 Posts
You cant announce a 100k tournament and then just let "bad" players play in it. Of course it attracts players over the world. I think the real problem is, that the NA server is the easiest and that lowers the skill of all players playing there, even of the topplayers due to the lack of challenge and competition. Again, If you ban all the korens, then its still pretty likely that the topfinish will be 3europeans or 2euros plus idra, thats just how it is. Now the NASL is watchable and Iam looking forward to the finals. | ||
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dubRa
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Ineffability~
84 Posts
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
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Liquid`HayprO
Iraq1230 Posts
On June 17 2011 21:30 coL.CatZ wrote: hahahahahha <3 god I love you, you're like yoda hayder, except cuter, you always drop 3-4 words but they always crack me up <3 this time its huk that deserves that credit. | ||
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MollocH
Germany100 Posts
Koreans are still that little better (as we could see in MLG) but it's very close. Those western professionals perheaps just need to train a little harder then they do now. I think that the koreans can push all those good guys in the west to become even better. One way to achieve that is the new Team Reign house where (if I understood it the right way) the circumstances will be a little like a korean pro house. So as I said: I understand what catz is trying to say but the benefit of having koreans compete in the NASL, MLG, ... is also considerable. In terms of viewers, fans and last but not least the attention that the western scene will get from korea. It is (in my opinion) very important that korea realises that the west is close in terms of sc2 & eSports. So catz I'm sorry to contradict you :D But I still will <3 you and watch your stream everytime I get the chance to  | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
As IF a non-Korean is going to win Dreamhack. lolz It's free money basically, and must be very disheartening for the foreign pros. More power to you Catz. | ||
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marcesr
Germany1383 Posts
It just sucks if Koreans get invited, fly over, take the prize money and leave again. They dont really contribute besides taking away the prize money. Yes maybe some hardcore fans wont watch if there are no koreans, but way more people will stop watching league if there are always koreans in the top 3 like in the IEM or MLG. edit: joining the catz fanclub <3 | ||
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Condor
Netherlands188 Posts
On June 17 2011 21:43 Liquid`HayprO wrote: this time its huk that deserves that credit. Nice trolling karmaslap huk? | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On June 17 2011 21:39 Ineffability~ wrote: I think I understand CatZ that these players are actually trying to make a living off SC2 and @ a big tournament a Korean nerd comes with his robotic skillz and smashes all of the foreigners' faces and they are left naked, feeling stupid for all those hours spent practicing to actually realize how far behind you are. Well its a vicious cycle. Western pros: Pros train>>> play in small cups>>> make a name for themselfs in them >>> move into bigger cups >>> get a lot of fans >>>{start of earning real money} start streaming games and fool around on stream >>> do some casting gigs? >>> coaching >>> skill regresses >> lose big tournaments {end of earning money?} >>> bitch about it >> back to training Koreans: Train >> play in torunament >> train >> play in torunament >> [OPTIONAL]become Boxer | ||
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simansh
257 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
I can understand the concern coming from BW though, where WCG's basically always felt like that and aside from eStro, there was little to no interaction from Korea and the players who did go there weren't accepted very well (unlike the TorcH/TSL thing.) It's not the exact same situation, but I think Catz' nightmare situation would be something akin to the American/Japanese baseball relationship, where MLB teams pick out all the best players from Japan and rarely do they give anything back (besides Tom Selleck) or try to improve the Japanese baseball system. As a result, Japanese baseball is somewhat dying and more people just want to follow MLB instead of their own teams. The two systems don't have to be on equal footing as far as infrastructure or talent goes, but the resource sharing needs to continue from both sides, and then I think Catz' worries might be a non-issue. | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
On June 17 2011 21:46 simansh wrote: In my opinion the "pros" in the west just need to try harder. Don't live in the future, but in the now. If they don't have as much dedication as the korean progamers do now, then when will they? And try harder for what? For the next MC or MMA to get half the prize pool? Catz is completely spot on. He has the balls to say what most are thinking but are too scared of being flamed. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
<3 all the players! and iam still a boxer fan yay!!! | ||
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vojnik
Macedonia923 Posts
Look at Thorzain for example? no Growth for sort of "newer players" ? And there are several foreigner players that have a shot against the koreans (that don't live in korea) like naniwa, dimaga , white ra and so on... | ||
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budar
175 Posts
On June 17 2011 21:54 Psychobabas wrote: And try harder for what? For the next MC or MMA to get half the prize pool? Are you implying that they're stealing the prize money? They don't "get" it, they earn it by being better. That's what "sports" should be all about. Lets stop calling it "e-sports" then if we're going to play favorites. | ||
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On June 17 2011 21:54 Psychobabas wrote: And try harder for what? For the next MC or MMA to get half the prize pool? Catz is completely spot on. He has the balls to say what most are thinking but are too scared of being flamed. Lol? Koreans competing internationally is good for everybody - makes the game more entertaining to watch and makes the game more competitive. You realise no one makes their money solely off prize money outside korea? it is too unreliable to do so (ask pretty much any pro). salary + streaming + content funds it | ||
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