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On June 22 2011 17:55 papaz wrote:
Completely off-topic:
Do you make a living on SC2 or do you have day-job as well?
Just curious...
SC2 is a small part of my total income which all comes from my YT channel and website. My other material generates 3-5 times the revenue of SC2. SC2 tends to be fairly expensive tbh, I probably broke even on Dreamhack thanks to being able to VoD to YT but quite a lot of these events don't pay expenses and if they do, don't pay fees to casters. I know Apollo and Day9 were catered to in that regard though so you don't need to worry about them.
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Canada1637 Posts
On June 22 2011 17:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 13:17 Adebisi wrote:
You really jump around here, and while I agree with much of what you say, I will say I think you have a bit of a 1 dimensional attitude. To you, going to cast Code A means giving up basically the rest of your livelihood and taking a job in Korea, casting, and supporting your family through that, which I understand, obviously you have certain commitments. For many others, its an opportunity to spend a few months living and working in a foreign country with an amazingly unique and rich culture as well as unreal cuisine, in an industry to love, getting a taste of what can only be considered the Mecca of Starcraft; its not about the money.
Frankly I'm amazed more popular people haven't jumped at the idea, obviously its a big step to go out to Korea, and some people have specific loyalties or commitments to building the foreign scene, but this isn't a 5 year sentence, its a sick opportunity.
tldr; perhaps casting in Korea is a young man's game, as old and bitter as Artosis sounds sometimes xD The 1 dimensional attitude is a practical one. Code A is a "job" for those who can afford to take it and don't have a lot to lose. The pay sucks, you have to pay for your flight there, accomodation if you can't get in the GOM house (and if you can, you are staying with like 10 other guys which for some is not preferable), there is a massive language barrier and it's a lot of work for minimum compensation. More popular people haven't jumped on it precisely BECAUSE they have specific loyalties and commitments. Code A is best suited to bachelors with nothing tying them down. You can't support a family on "love" for Starcraft alone so for many of us, even considering Code A would be ridiculously irresponsible. Trying to paint it as a lack of commitment to the scene rather than a realistic, sensible decision to not do something rash and impractical, is fairly silly.
I think you're looking at your own individual case and applying it to all casters a bit too much... For you, casting is your livelihood, but you've also said your SC2 work would in no way support you, and its the WoW and other game content that primarily allows you to do this.Furthermore, you also support a family, which other major casters do this? djWHEAT is the only one I can think of, I know CatsPajamas, Diggity and DoA are all married, but none have kids AFAIK and we aren't living in the 1920s here. The point I'm trying to make is while you see living with other people, a language barrier, "a lot of work" and maybe even nasty cuisine as reasons not to go, other people may see them as reasons to go, and it's the minority of casters who have families to support, and an even bigger minority of casters who support their families by casting. What is practical for you is not necessarily what is practical for other people. Most casters don't need to make a lot of money, they just need to make enough money to pay for their plane tickets and food wihle in Korea, maybe you know something I don't about how much the salary is.
Trying to paint it as a lack of commitment to the scene rather than a realistic, sensible decision to not do something rash and impractical, is fairly silly
I'm not sure what you're trying to say where, maybe you misunderstand me, or I misunderstand you? I don't think I ever said that popular casters not wanting to Code A is a lack of commitment to the scene?
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On June 22 2011 18:15 Adebisi wrote:
I think you're looking at your own individual case and applying it to all casters a bit too much... For you, casting is your livelihood, but you've also said your SC2 work would in no way support you, and its the WoW and other game content that primarily allows you to do this.Furthermore, you also support a family, which other major casters do this? djWHEAT is the only one I can think of, I know CatsPajamas, Diggity and DoA are all married, but none have kids AFAIK and we aren't living in the 1920s here. The point I'm trying to make is while you see living with other people, a language barrier, "a lot of work" and maybe even nasty cuisine as reasons not to go, other people may see them as reasons to go, and it's the minority of casters who have families to support, and an even bigger minority of casters who support their families by casting. What is practical for you is not necessarily what is practical for other people. Most casters don't need to make a lot of money, they just need to make enough money to pay for their plane tickets and food wihle in Korea, maybe you know something I don't about how much the salary is.
I could say the same thing about you in regard to looking only at your individual case. To be honest, doing Code A is not so much a job as it is a Pilgrimage and Pilgrimages often involve sacrifice.
As regards to the salary, well that's NDAed.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say where, maybe you misunderstand me, or I misunderstand you? I don't think I ever said that popular casters not wanting to Code A is a lack of commitment to the scene?
Ahh well in that case I was reading into something that wasn't there, my apologies.
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The casters I've enjoyed the most so far have been Wolf (by quite a bit), and then Kelly I guess ... my problem with Kelly is that I find her hard to understand, most likely since english isn't my native language, I have problems understanding someone speaking it when they are fluent, and therefore speak fast, but have a very weird (to me) accent.
Moletrap I thought just didn't work very well with his partners, and he didn't understand well what was going on in the game. I guess he just haven't had as much experience with the game as with brood:war, but that really showed in his casting imho.
DoA was okayish, but kind of boring to me. Not sure how else to say it. He wasn't bad, and he suffered (imho) a bit from partnering with Moletrap it seemed.
I value game knowledge, understanding and recognize builds and what's going on in the game, more than being entertaining though, so that makes me biased in that direction.
I'd think both Khaldor and Adebisi ought to be given a shot, as I've found them entertaining in the past. I would also have liked HD if he wanted to, but I don't think he would.
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As long as Moletrap does not cast ever again I am happy.
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I hope they're gonna pick Khaldor. Wouldn't that be the first European caster ever in Korea too?
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
as long as they don't pick totalbiscuit it's all good
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trump fighting. i hope you get it trump!
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On June 22 2011 18:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
As regards to the salary, well that's NDAed.
So in other words the crux of your entire argument is something you don't even have a figure for? Excellent job; I just love it when people make things up.
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my vote goes to eleine sun!
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On June 22 2011 12:59 Gamegene wrote:
I would love to see HD getting this gig so he doesn't have to work a day job anymore. GOWINSPIN!
God no please. HD literally knows nothing about the players or the game for that matter, If anything his knowledge has regressed from the beta.
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On June 23 2011 06:53 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 18:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
As regards to the salary, well that's NDAed.
So in other words the crux of your entire argument is something you don't even have a figure for? Excellent job; I just love it when people make things up.
The crux of the argument is that I have a figure I can't tell you.
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Khaldor would be a good choice.
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On June 23 2011 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 06:53 hmunkey wrote:On June 22 2011 18:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
As regards to the salary, well that's NDAed.
So in other words the crux of your entire argument is something you don't even have a figure for? Excellent job; I just love it when people make things up. The crux of the argument is that I have a figure I can't tell you.
So basically, you agreed to an NDA about the salary with GOM but you then decided to start whining about how shitty said salary is for someone in your current position. Seriously?
I honestly see more whiney drivel from you in the community than actual content, and it's seriously off-putting. I don't know how else to say it so I'll just be blunt: grow the fuck up. You're an adult with a family and a public position in the community. Stop finding any excuse to complain or act like a victim. No other caster does it, no player does it, and it's just embarrassing.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On June 23 2011 07:10 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 23 2011 06:53 hmunkey wrote:On June 22 2011 18:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
As regards to the salary, well that's NDAed.
So in other words the crux of your entire argument is something you don't even have a figure for? Excellent job; I just love it when people make things up. The crux of the argument is that I have a figure I can't tell you. So basically, you agreed to an NDA about the salary with GOM but you then decided to start whining about how shitty said salary is for someone in your current position. Seriously? I honestly see more whiney drivel from you in the community than actual content, and it's seriously off-putting. I don't know how else to say it so I'll just be blunt: grow the fuck up. You're an adult with a family and a public position in the community. Stop finding any excuse to complain or act like a victim. No other caster does it, no player does it, and it's just embarrassing.
I don't see how TB is "whining" about anything. All he did was point out that GOM's code A casters don't get paid enough to support a family man with financial obligations other than himself and that the position was best suited for bachelors. He hasn't criticized the opportunity or anybody who decides to take it. And there's nothing he said that's close to breaking an NDA agreement.
On a side note, I hope that Khaldor or Trump get the job. Is there a list of current candidates around somewhere? I'm really curious to find out who's actually on it :|
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On June 23 2011 07:10 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 23 2011 06:53 hmunkey wrote:On June 22 2011 18:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
As regards to the salary, well that's NDAed.
So in other words the crux of your entire argument is something you don't even have a figure for? Excellent job; I just love it when people make things up. The crux of the argument is that I have a figure I can't tell you. So basically, you agreed to an NDA about the salary with GOM but you then decided to start whining about how shitty said salary is for someone in your current position. Seriously? I honestly see more whiney drivel from you in the community than actual content, and it's seriously off-putting. I don't know how else to say it so I'll just be blunt: grow the fuck up. You're an adult with a family and a public position in the community. Stop finding any excuse to complain or act like a victim. No other caster does it, no player does it, and it's just embarrassing.
You're the one embarassing yourself here. All he did was explain why the job wasn't interesting to him after several people had brought up his name in this thread. I like that kind of inside info. If you don't, then don't read it and stop whining.
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This is the reason we try and avoid discussing the business side of things, people tend to get upset 
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TB where was your tophat at Dreamhack! You gonna be a Sirscoots look alike in a few years 
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On June 23 2011 07:10 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 23 2011 06:53 hmunkey wrote:On June 22 2011 18:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
As regards to the salary, well that's NDAed.
So in other words the crux of your entire argument is something you don't even have a figure for? Excellent job; I just love it when people make things up. The crux of the argument is that I have a figure I can't tell you. So basically, you agreed to an NDA about the salary with GOM but you then decided to start whining about how shitty said salary is for someone in your current position. Seriously?
Agreed.
TotalBiscuit outright said "The pay sucks." If you aren't supposed to talk about it, then don't.
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