We are looking for additional English Casters/Commentators who wish to display their skills at the GSL, the biggest StarCraft 2 league, broadcasted in over 180 nations.
GSL has been able to come this far thanks to great fans and viewers and we believe our goal is to keep on improving. Our caster team has been doing a great job and we believe you could be part of that team as well! If you have passion for eSports and love casting, do not hesitate to show us what you got!
Qualification : Must have passion for eSports and casting. Must be able to stay in Korea. Must be able to acquire Working Visa in Korea.
Recruitment period : From June 8th ~ until hired.
Application : Cast/Commentate a Starcraft2 game of your choice, upload the video (ex. on YouTube) and send us the link at gsl@gomtv.com. You may cast/commentate by yourself or with your friend as a team for the video.
Please note that Gretech will not compensate for any additional cost (flight, lodging and etc) apart from the salary once hired.
I extrapolate from this: Lone Wolf will be around for indefinite period (between a week and a couple of months) but will as soon as quality can be assured possible will have a casting partner?
Would it be too much to ask for GOM to open a fun poll to see who they would like to see? I know I'm not the only one that wants John to cast.
Some days I wish for a Korean perspective, however being illiterate in said language disables me from that.
On June 08 2011 20:01 Voltaire wrote: Someone send this link to Totalbiscuit.
The GSL needs him.
I would be forced to watch GSL on mute. TB gives me brain cancer.
Wolf is doing a good job solo casting over the past few days. He understands what is happening on the screen in front of him which is a good first step for any caster.
On June 08 2011 20:01 Voltaire wrote: Someone send this link to Totalbiscuit.
The GSL needs him.
If TB does then i will seriously stop watching GSL, he is the worst caster hands down, even worse then moletrap.
Get day9 or chill ?
You are totally devaluing any comment you made about TB by saying that Day[9] should do it. Do you really want to waste "Professor Plott" on code A? He would most certainly be inable to do his dailies from Korea because they take a metric shitton of time to do.
Chill is an awesome caster, but I dont think he would be as awesome if he was to do it every day.
The number of "not so well thought out comments" is amazing again. I mean the blank but aggressive anti-TB sentiments really show zero knowledge of some people what he is actually doing. Casting the GSL is a full time job and this would mean he (or Day[9]) couldnt do his other shows. Thats very very unlikely, but still people "go fusion" about it. *SIGH*
On June 08 2011 20:01 Voltaire wrote: Someone send this link to Totalbiscuit.
The GSL needs him.
I would be forced to watch GSL on mute. TB gives me brain cancer.
Wolf is doing a good job solo casting over the past few days. He understands what is happening on the screen in front of him which is a good first step for any caster.
Why do people feel the need to be so nasty to casters. It is all down to personal preference.
I don't really like TBs casting but I would never insult him in that way. Plenty of people love him obviously else he would not be getting hired for things.
Did that annoying fat little shit caster get fired? I dunno, but something about his voice just really rubs me the wrong way. Add to it that he's always interrupting Tastosis, and my gosh, someone just fire him already. If that is the case, I hope the next caster isn't annoying, and plays the ladder at higher than a Gold level. (Yes, that annoying guy was a ladder Gold, and somehow he was allowed to be a commentator.)
On June 08 2011 20:01 Voltaire wrote: Someone send this link to Totalbiscuit.
The GSL needs him.
If TB does then i will seriously stop watching GSL, he is the worst caster hands down, even worse then moletrap.
Get day9 or chill ?
You are totally devaluing any comment you made about TB by saying that Day[9] should do it. Do you really want to waste "Professor Plott" on code A? He would most certainly be inable to do his dailies from Korea because they take a metric shitton of time to do.
Chill is an awesome caster, but I dont think he would be as awesome if he was to do it every day.
The number of "not so well thought out comments" is amazing again. I mean the blank but aggressive anti-TB sentiments really show zero knowledge of some people what he is actually doing. Casting the GSL is a full time job and this would mean he (or Day[9]) couldnt do his other shows. Thats very very unlikely, but still people "go fusion" about it. *SIGH*
No need to comment on others plain opinions. He does not like TB, end. If he sais TB is the worst caster in the universe, it shouldn`t concern you unless you want to have a discussion with arguments backing your opinion up instead of just refusing to just accept his opinion.
On June 08 2011 20:40 LoneWolf.Alpha wrote: Did that annoying fat little shit caster get fired? I dunno, but something about his voice just really rubs me the wrong way. Add to it that he's always interrupting Tastosis, and my gosh, someone just fire him already. If that is the case, I hope the next caster isn't annoying, and plays the ladder at higher than a Gold level. (Yes, that annoying guy was a ladder Gold, and somehow he was allowed to be a commentator.)
1) Correlation does not imply causation.
2) Cursing doesn´t make one´s argument any better.
3) Moletrap contributed way more to this comunity than you seem to acknowledge.
While I wouldn't want to have TotalBiscuit casting it'd be cool if he did some of the name intros, he's got just the right voice to be one of the 'street fighter' intro guys.
On June 08 2011 21:16 affliction wrote: InControl would be pretty nice. Day9 also, would be perfect. But whats up with Tastosis? Are they going to leave gom in the long term?
I think it's more so they have (at least) two sets of casters so they can have a shift pattern in place to prevent peoples voices dying mid tournament. Also to cover for sick leave / vacation.
On June 08 2011 20:01 Voltaire wrote: Someone send this link to Totalbiscuit.
The GSL needs him.
Total biscuit has a family and a lucrative career casting WoW videos, there's no way he's going to give all that up to come to korea.
This is wrong, he doesn't do any WoW content any more (aside from a weekly podcast ranting about how badly Blizzard is ruining it, uber hilarious fyi), but yeah you get the gist of it, his career is his YouTube content, and he puts out a lot of videos that takes a lot of time.
Just clarifying somewhat, offtopic though. Now I feel like a twat.
On June 08 2011 21:16 affliction wrote: InControl would be pretty nice. Day9 also, would be perfect. But whats up with Tastosis? Are they going to leave gom in the long term?
I can't think of any decent live caster actually willing to go to Korea. Day, Wheat, TB (not that I could stand 4h straight of TB every day, but still), CatsPajamas, JP all are busy/full-time already? Who else?
I'm for sure goign to give this a shot. Why not apply. worst case they say not. if they say yes. its a free trip to korea to see some great games and cast them. what could be better in life.
On June 08 2011 20:57 Wedberg wrote: AskJoshy, Kaelaris, this guy and Khaldor are the people I'd like to see. As for who might actually get accepted... I have no idea.
Anyway, cool that they're still looking for new casters. Hopefully Wolf gets to stay.
Huge <3's man going to Korea would be a dream come true! I talk a lot to TorcH but he's busy recently so I haven't been able to talk to him much maybe he could get me in hehe.
On June 08 2011 21:38 Cheebah wrote: I can't think of any decent live caster actually willing to go to Korea. Day, Wheat, TB (not that I could stand 4h straight of TB every day, but still), CatsPajamas, JP all are busy/full-time already? Who else?
I think you should rephrase that. You cannot think of any half decent caster who's already known because they all have jobs already and there's no incentive to go to Korea.
Take myself for instance, I could cast on the side but I already really like the job I have and in reality there is no time for me to be relocating to Seoul for an audition. There really is no point. ;/
I vote for Kelly, too. She brought a whole new dimension to the cast. Aka the female dimension.
If nerds weren't so terribly insecure in their pants esports as a whole would be a lot more relaxed and fun (just look at all the dork hate Idra's "girlfried" got in that thread).
On June 08 2011 21:16 affliction wrote: InControl would be pretty nice. Day9 also, would be perfect. But whats up with Tastosis? Are they going to leave gom in the long term?
I think it's more so they have (at least) two sets of casters so they can have a shift pattern in place to prevent peoples voices dying mid tournament. Also to cover for sick leave / vacation.
This the koreans do the same thing. They have different sets of Casters for Code A and Code S
would love to see xHydrax, the most professional caster on youtube, with the best observing, most knowledge of the players, and best production value; that is unfortunately held back by his voice.
Y'know, if enough people vocally get mad over even the thought of me going to cast GSL, I might actually apply for it. It would be satisfying to know that I've upset those people.
Aside from that no, I'm too busy and I couldn't support my family properly on their pay-grade.
On June 08 2011 22:07 TotalBiscuit wrote: Y'know, if enough people vocally get mad over even the thought of me going to cast GSL, I might actually apply for it. It would be satisfying to know that I've upset those people.
Aside from that no, I'm too busy and I couldn't support my family properly on their pay-grade.
If we do want you to go, are you telling us to get vocally mad at you more often? 'cause I'm willing to do it.
Oh yeah, I'll definitely talk about how your casting is unsatisfactory and how I would prefer someone else and how your voice brings me great displeasure.
Oh, and of course, call you a "wanker". Oh yeah, insulting you in your native tongue for the win.
Note: Damn the fact that sarcasm is hard to convey over the internet.
If TotalBiscuit casts the GSL I'll stop watching. He's painful to listen to.
It'll be interesting to see who applies, there are plenty of great casters out there who haven't become famous yet!
Mhm i kinda want to comment on that and similar posts in this thread:
Dont you find that a little bit rude to post something like that?
Guys like Totalbiscuit spend much time trying to make what they find to be a good piece of entertainment. I mean its only normal that not everyone has the same view on what is good entertainment and what is not but, i find that there are better ways to elaborate on that then what you did.
Not that i want to dictate you what or how you should express yourself, its just that i would find myself writting similar posts to yours and then seeing people hurt over what i wrote because i didnt put much thought to it.
How about Superdanielman? Anyone remember him from way back at the Gomtv Broodwar tournaments? He was insightful and funny, if hard to understand at times.
On June 08 2011 22:20 Hibahihi wrote: What will happen to the previous casters? Were they turn down? I thought all of them were going through try-outs for 1-2 leagues.
I don't think Doa or Moletrap really wanted to stay for the long term. And after the response Kelly got, I doubt they'll hire her again for a significant amount of time.
On June 08 2011 19:59 Probe1 wrote: Lone Wolf will be around for indefinite period (between a week and a couple of months) but will as soon as quality can be assured possible will have a casting partner?
Some days I wish for a Korean perspective, however being illiterate in said language disables me from that.
no comment....
On June 08 2011 21:37 Carson wrote: Bring back JASON LEE!!!!!!!!!!! <3 <3 <3 "and the raven takes out the medivac!"
seriously, such a great caster and hilarious!
I honestly think this guy would be way better than basically all the other suggestions in this thread. Please give us a real commentator, not another subpar pro player with deficient communication skills! When we want to learn stuff, it's better to do so with code S anyway, so let us have an exciting show for code A with someone who won't overload us with strategic insight but will instead add some passion to the cast.
On June 08 2011 22:20 Scorch wrote: How about Superdanielman? Anyone remember him from way back at the Gomtv Broodwar tournaments? He was insightful and funny, if hard to understand at times.
it would help to get casters that actually like the game they are casting.
On June 08 2011 22:20 Scorch wrote: How about Superdanielman? Anyone remember him from way back at the Gomtv Broodwar tournaments? He was insightful and funny, if hard to understand at times.
On June 08 2011 22:20 Scorch wrote: How about Superdanielman? Anyone remember him from way back at the Gomtv Broodwar tournaments? He was insightful and funny, if hard to understand at times.
it would help to get casters that actually like the game they are casting.
On June 08 2011 22:20 Scorch wrote: How about Superdanielman? Anyone remember him from way back at the Gomtv Broodwar tournaments? He was insightful and funny, if hard to understand at times.
it would help to get casters that actually like the game they are casting.
SDM was awesome for BW casting. Esp together with Nick, but as you state he has been a bit iffy on the SC2 front, thought from his blog/twitter he seems to be coming around some.
On June 08 2011 22:20 Scorch wrote: How about Superdanielman? Anyone remember him from way back at the Gomtv Broodwar tournaments? He was insightful and funny, if hard to understand at times.
I remember SuperDanielman, i think he got into conflict with GOM at the start of the sc2 era and he now runs a pc bang in Korea, i believe he made some youtube videos about it aswell. While I do not agree with all of his views, he sure had a passion for e-sports and Starcraft and he was fun to watch. I would like to see him cast again but I guess the chances on that are slim.
On June 08 2011 20:01 Voltaire wrote: Someone send this link to Totalbiscuit.
The GSL needs him.
Shudder.
I hope this turns up some undiscovered talent to take the Code A experience to the next level. Watching MLG, it was such an absolute pleasure not ever worrying about the casters or having them affect my experience negatively.
There is such a world of difference between the true pros (Tastosis, Day, Wheat, Chill, IdrA) and the actively annoying/detracting rabble (Gretorp, Moletrap, TB). Make it happen GOM! Best of luck.
On June 09 2011 00:39 Chriscras wrote: IDK, they aren't even letting casters stay in the GOM house anymore....
I think GOM is going to have a really tough time filling this position with another high quality caster T.T
Not quite sure where you heard that from. I was speaking to TorcH (who lives there) a few days ago, who seemed pretty convinced that casters would stay at the GOM house even when FXO took some room. : /
On June 08 2011 20:01 Voltaire wrote: Someone send this link to Totalbiscuit.
The GSL needs him.
If TotalBiscuit casts the GSL I'll stop watching. He's painful to listen to.
It'll be interesting to see who applies, there are plenty of great casters out there who haven't become famous yet!
Are you kidding me? He is so funny to watch!!! He makes SC2 be like a soccer game narrated by a Hispanic commentator! Just amazing as it gives the match a lot more energy!
On June 09 2011 00:39 Chriscras wrote: IDK, they aren't even letting casters stay in the GOM house anymore....
I think GOM is going to have a really tough time filling this position with another high quality caster T.T
Are you really sure? Renting an appartment just for a test month is kind of stupid and finding an appartment that you can rent just for a month is even harder than the other was stupid. Maybe it is only temporarily because the FXO team is living in the GOM appartment?
On June 08 2011 20:01 Voltaire wrote: Someone send this link to Totalbiscuit.
The GSL needs him.
If TotalBiscuit casts the GSL I'll stop watching. He's painful to listen to.
It'll be interesting to see who applies, there are plenty of great casters out there who haven't become famous yet!
yea, the guy is way over the top and not someone i wanna watch cast a tourney. maybe some random games but not every game in a tourney.
This, his over the top style is not to everyone's taste and while I can see that some people like this sort of thing, it can be very grating to others. I know it is to me..
Blah, stop the casting rotation. It is just getting stupid now. You are not going to replicate your Tastosis archon. Put Kelly Milkies with Wolf and be done with it.
Mr Bitter was an excellent caster, but they need someone who has a great voice as well. Tastosis each have great "radio" voices, but none of Doa, Wolf, or Moletrap did in my opinion although they were knowledgable.
On June 08 2011 20:57 Wedberg wrote: AskJoshy, Kaelaris, this guy and Khaldor are the people I'd like to see. As for who might actually get accepted... I have no idea.
Anyway, cool that they're still looking for new casters. Hopefully Wolf gets to stay.
Huge <3's man going to Korea would be a dream come true! I talk a lot to TorcH but he's busy recently so I haven't been able to talk to him much maybe he could get me in hehe.
Did you sign up? Sign up I saw you do the Coth, your like the biggest troll after John the translator.
How much do they pay? One issue is that casters probably don't get paid a grand ol' salary. If they did, we'd have a lot more people interested (good), a lot more responsibility as a caster (good), and therefore a lot better entertainment (good).
I hope everyone who has applied actually has real aspirations to be a sports caster even if it means improving your voice, vocabulary, sc2 skills, analytical abilties, etc. Put in the work you need to make Esports great. Anything less is just unacceptable for a job.
On June 08 2011 20:57 Wedberg wrote: AskJoshy, Kaelaris, this guy and Khaldor are the people I'd like to see. As for who might actually get accepted... I have no idea.
Anyway, cool that they're still looking for new casters. Hopefully Wolf gets to stay.
Huge <3's man going to Korea would be a dream come true! I talk a lot to TorcH but he's busy recently so I haven't been able to talk to him much maybe he could get me in hehe.
Did you sign up? Sign up I saw you do the Coth, your like the biggest troll after John the translator.
LOL I did sign up yes. I only really troll in chat some times :D but thanks heh.
On June 09 2011 03:37 Adebisi wrote: Well, I applied...
High-level knowledge of the game? Check. A clear speaking voice that is well-suited for broadcasting? Check. An entertaining casting personality with a very distinct (often dry) sense of humor? Check.
On June 08 2011 21:42 WinteRR wrote: My vote goes to Crota. He's just a top bloke
Crota is a very likeable person, and I wish him and his family all the best, but I don't want to see him cast GSL - he doesn't have the voice or personality for it, and that's coming from one of his actual subscribers. He is a nice guy, but I would rather see TotalBiscuit, PsyStarcraft or maybe - more likely - AskJoshy as a GSL caster.
On June 09 2011 03:24 MeteorRise wrote: I wouldn't mind more Kelly. If she improved her somewhat too Asian accent, she'd be pretty legit imo. She had a pretty cute personality. X)
Kell!? Kelly again!? Are you even serious? Just look at the feedback last time, 'nuff said dude. She had her chance and the community reaction to her casting said it all.
Wow I hope you at least get a shot to try out. You're a very clear speaker and quite pleasant to listen to. You seem to know your stuff too. Good Luck!
I've quite enjoyed Wolf's casting. I liked Doa as well, but his game knowledge could use some improvement. His dry sense of humour worked well though. If he studied the game more he could become a fantastic caster.
On June 09 2011 03:37 Adebisi wrote: Well, I applied...
High-level knowledge of the game? Check. A clear speaking voice that is well-suited for broadcasting? Check. An entertaining casting personality with a very distinct (often dry) sense of humor? Check.
Wow I hope you at least get a shot to try out. You're a very clear speaker and quite pleasant to listen to. You seem to know your stuff too. Good Luck!
I've quite enjoyed Wolf's casting. I liked Doa as well, but his game knowledge could use some improvement. His dry sense of humour worked well though. If he studied the game more he could become a fantastic caster.
On June 09 2011 09:58 AndAgain wrote: Wolf was a step in the right direction with getting casters who know something about the game. I hope they continue with that.
Exactly. I think Wolf and Adebisi would be perfect.
I imagine if Day9 were to cast it would immensely help his career because of the exposure he would get seeing as he's doing it full time. He's definitely qualified and did a great job at MLG. Might be too much of a time commitment though.
On June 09 2011 10:05 edzwoo wrote: I imagine if Day9 were to cast it would immensely help his career because of the exposure he would get seeing as he's doing it full time. He's definitely qualified and did a great job at MLG. Might be too much of a time commitment though.
I think Day9 would rather cast a more diverse array of tournaments than have to solely focus on GSL. Also, if he wants to cast GSL he's have to live in Korea and that's a huge commitment.
On June 09 2011 03:37 Adebisi wrote: Well, I applied...
High-level knowledge of the game? Check. A clear speaking voice that is well-suited for broadcasting? Check. An entertaining casting personality with a very distinct (often dry) sense of humor? Check.
On June 09 2011 03:37 Adebisi wrote: Well, I applied...
High-level knowledge of the game? Check. A clear speaking voice that is well-suited for broadcasting? Check. An entertaining casting personality with a very distinct (often dry) sense of humor? Check.
Wow I hope you at least get a shot to try out. You're a very clear speaker and quite pleasant to listen to. You seem to know your stuff too. Good Luck!
I've quite enjoyed Wolf's casting. I liked Doa as well, but his game knowledge could use some improvement. His dry sense of humour worked well though. If he studied the game more he could become a fantastic caster.
o.o Thanks for the support~~
Good luck man, i've seen some of your vods on SC2 casts and always enjoyed! Do yo thang
On June 08 2011 22:07 Spectorials wrote: 2GD should apply
Oh man that would be amazing! I'd never seen a presenter until Dreamhack and man he did a great job with the entertainment factor. I'm not sure if he's actually a good caster but I'd like to see him take a shot at it.
On June 09 2011 03:37 Adebisi wrote: Well, I applied...
High-level knowledge of the game? Check. A clear speaking voice that is well-suited for broadcasting? Check. An entertaining casting personality with a very distinct (often dry) sense of humor? Check.
I'm rooting for you, kiddo.
Sounds like Psy? Check.
lol so true At any rate, I have always enjoyed your commentaries thru Sc2cast.com. Gooooood luck!!!
as a foriegner id really like it if they gave us a similar setup to how the koreans have it. 3 casters total with diversity in race / genders and make them permanant so they can become a casting archon.
I nominate : J.P. McDaniels / Kelly Milkies / ipp of Ragequit.TV
On June 08 2011 20:57 Wedberg wrote: AskJoshy, Kaelaris, this guy and Khaldor are the people I'd like to see. As for who might actually get accepted... I have no idea.
Anyway, cool that they're still looking for new casters. Hopefully Wolf gets to stay.
Hey :D "this guy" is me!
If you think i should apply let me know you can find my casts and stuff over at http://justin.tv/imbalancedtv Some opinions would be nice and thanks!
At this point I'd just like to see any caster accompany Wolf. As good a job as Wolf does right now, having two casters is way better than the solo-casting Wolf has had to do the past few days.
Some of you probably know me from casting with my daughter, Stargirl. Probably not realistic that I would be able to go to Korea if I was chosen, but I still would like to know if I'd be good enough. Here is me without the 4 year old: It's kind of vanilla I think, but would love feedback: should I apply?
*disclaimer* I do these videos from my home office and from replays, so I am likely a ton more subdued than I would be in a live environment.
Edit: I also don't do a ton of pro commentary, and my stuff is geared towards lower level viewers (duh, nuubcast), I think if I were to apply I would make a new video. So I probably should have posted that..
On June 09 2011 14:00 blamous wrote: Some of you probably know me from casting with my daughter, Stargirl. Probably not realistic that I would be able to go to Korea if I was chosen, but I still would like to know if I'd be good enough. Here is me without the 4 year old: It's kind of vanilla I think, but would love feedback: should I apply?
*disclaimer* I do these videos from my home office and from replays, so I am likely a ton more subdued than I would be in a live environment.
Edit: I also don't do a ton of pro commentary, and my stuff is geared towards lower level viewers (duh, nuubcast), I think if I were to apply I would make a new video. So I probably should have posted that..
I would always give it a try, your chances could be high. I would only recommend if you could go to Korea for long term though.
On June 09 2011 14:00 blamous wrote: Some of you probably know me from casting with my daughter, Stargirl. Probably not realistic that I would be able to go to Korea if I was chosen, but I still would like to know if I'd be good enough. Here is me without the 4 year old: It's kind of vanilla I think, but would love feedback: should I apply?
*disclaimer* I do these videos from my home office and from replays, so I am likely a ton more subdued than I would be in a live environment.
Edit: I also don't do a ton of pro commentary, and my stuff is geared towards lower level viewers (duh, nuubcast), I think if I were to apply I would make a new video. So I probably should have posted that..
I'm sorry if I'm being incredibly rude here, but why are you asking us whether you're good enough as a caster to apply??
It's all about confidence, man.
And your ability to adapt in a different environment.
Korea isn't exactly very foreigner friendly place.
I have little casting experience, but I've goofed around with it a little. I may just send in a video to see what happens. I don't have that much going on in the states anyway
Thanks to all of you guys that would like me to apply for it I was actually talking to somebody from GOM about it and I'd certainly love to have the experience of staying in Korea for a couple of months and casting.
One of the main issues is of course the money and time. I'd probably have to move out of my appartment in Germany and deal with some other things (work) before it'd be even possible to go. Thinking about it though, as long as one can somehow get the costs at least covered I think it's a great opportunity!
Catspajamas has a sexy fucking voice. I vote for him. I don't think he's the greatest at the game so he'd probably need an analytical caster beside him.
Just remember guys.. this isn't youtube.. you will get savaged if the masses are displeased
Tastosis have set the bar very high
Its many things, but most important the ability to be honest, confident in yourself, calm and a genuine chemistry with the co-caster
The casters I've seen consistently display this are.. surprisingly TLO Rotterdam CatsPajamas (haha I know) Raelcun Mr Bitter
(Of course Day9 + Wheat, even Day9 + JP (good chemistry), but I very much doubt they can go to Korea)
The guys listed may not be the most "awesome, zany" casters.. but crucially they've never become annoying, and I watch about 4 hours a day of casts/streams/etc.
Maybe I've gone to some upper weird hipster level of caster critique but GSL is definitely the toughest cruelest casting gig
I might start rewatching code A if Adebisi is picked. If not, once again, code A will become just a poorly casted and gimped version of code S that's not worth staying up for as far as I'm concerned.
TotalBiscuit is a fantastic caster - imo, most casters out there could take a lesson from the way he brings excitement to the game no matter WHAT is actually going on. He's the kind of casting that SC2 needs if it's ever going to become accessible to a more casual audience. That said, the GSL is not, to my mind the proper stage for him. The current audience isn't ready for the "boxing meets american football" announcing style day in, day out at the grind that is GSL code A. While he's definitely suited to big tournaments, I'm thinking more along the lines of MLG - something that happens infrequently, but still regularly, is exciting just because it's happening, and is available to a wide english audience - not just the hardcore gamer that's willing to be up at 5 am (if you're EST like me) to watch GSL.
personally, I wish I had the time or the game knowledge to get into casting. I don't, and I don't have a solid source of pro replays beyond what's released from the big tournaments. I think given time and patience - two things that nerds unfortunately lack, anyone can come to be a great casting duo... just look at the first two seasons of GSL, the artosis and tasteless casting was almost as painful to listen to as watching the one-base play from players like rain and bitbybit, or seeing "sad_zenith" lose in the first five minutes of each game. Hell, we even had a drinking game for the finals (multiple times!).
I have a lot of respect for the casters, and I know GOM has an idea of what they're doing. They'll bring up the right matches in time, just wait.
Well, I totally expected a bunch of people throwing in the names of their favorite casters as soon as I clicked the thread title, but I absolutely didn't think I'd see Totalbiscuit's name in the first page. I'm not hating, I just personally think he'd be a terrible disaster casting Code-A. Don't get me wrong, I love his WoW videos (especially during Cataclysm's Beta) and he's fine doing the plays-of-the-week for NASL, but please, for all you Totalbiscuit supporters, please just picture him casting Code-A. I know, I know. Terrible, right? Thank God it's in Korea, and thank God it's fulltime!
And as for Kelly.. I'm treading careful waters here so I'll make this as pleasant as possible. Maybe another time.
On June 09 2011 18:36 Xpace wrote: Well, I totally expected a bunch of people throwing in the names of their favorite casters as soon as I clicked the thread title, but I absolutely didn't think I'd see Totalbiscuit's name in the first page. I'm not hating, I just personally think he'd be a terrible disaster casting Code-A. Don't get me wrong, I love his WoW videos (especially during Cataclysm's Beta) and he's fine doing the plays-of-the-week for NASL, but please, for all you Totalbiscuit supporters, please just picture him casting Code-A. I know, I know. Terrible, right? Thank God it's in Korea, and thank God it's fulltime!
And as for Kelly.. I'm treading careful waters here so I'll make this as pleasant as possible. Maybe another time.
Honestly, i think kelly would be ok if she worked HARD on her accent and language. Thats the main thing bothering me at least.
That, and a few other things. I mean, any native English speaker should be able to understand her through the accent (I know I do), but I see so many people saying they just can't. Maybe if she lived in the UK or Australia for a while.
On June 09 2011 17:14 FrodaN wrote: They should have accepted Cats back when he applied, but now he's moved to SF for IGN so I don't think he's a possibility atm.
On June 09 2011 17:51 phyre112 wrote: TotalBiscuit is a fantastic caster - imo, most casters out there could take a lesson from the way he brings excitement to the game no matter WHAT is actually going on.
That kind of "fake excitement" doesn't appeal to everyone. I find his affected style very annoying, reminds me of crappy morning radio djs. It feels very unnatural and I know I'm not alone in this. I also know some people love this sort of thing, so while it does seem to be largely a matter of taste, it is a polarizing one, and GSL doesn't need a controversial caster who will likely alienate half the audience.
On June 09 2011 20:44 LuckstYle wrote: i still dont know what happend to moletrap...
and plz dont answer "he is shit" - coz he isnt
There was no fanfare when Kelly or DOA were dropped. Their trial ran out and GOM chose not to renew them. I'm sure the same thing happened with Moletrap. For one reason or another they were not thrilled. Is it that difficult to latch onto?
On June 09 2011 17:51 phyre112 wrote: TotalBiscuit is a fantastic caster - imo, most casters out there could take a lesson from the way he brings excitement to the game no matter WHAT is actually going on.
That kind of "fake excitement" doesn't appeal to everyone. I find his affected style very annoying, reminds me of crappy morning radio djs. It feels very unnatural and I know I'm not alone in this. I also know some people love this sort of thing, so while it does seem to be largely a matter of taste, it is a polarizing one, and GSL doesn't need a controversial caster who will likely alienate half the audience.
There is nothing fake about my excitement and it's pretty much the most insulting thing you can claim to any eSports fan that their excitement is somehow manufactured.
As we've already seen, people will happily bitch about every caster so the idea of not hiring a polarizing one is out the window right there. What you want, is Tastosis 100% of the time and you can't have them because they aren't superhuman.
I think however it's a fairly important point to consider, that the casters make so much of a difference to the eSports experience in Starcraft 2 when the casting is much less of a factor in actual sports in terms of how much you enjoy the game. Which makes me wonder about just how legitimate Starcraft 2 actually is as a spectator sport when the commentators can either make the most dull game entertaining, or the best game an unlistenable disaster in the eyes and ears of some people. Food for thought, nothing more.
I think however it's a fairly important point to consider, that the casters make so much of a difference to the eSports experience in Starcraft 2 when the casting is much less of a factor in actual sports in terms of how much you enjoy the game. Which makes me wonder about just how legitimate Starcraft 2 actually is as a spectator sport when the commentators can either make the most dull game entertaining, or the best game an unlistenable disaster in the eyes and ears of some people. Food for thought, nothing more.
Wow this is an amazing point that I think more people need to look at. Especially when they criticize casters such as TB on the forums. If you do not like him, that's fine. You however do not need to be so negative toward him on the forums especially when the chances of him reading it are really high.
But this is the internet and I've pretty much given up on the majority of TL posters.
I would love Diggity to cast but he's definitely too busy. Sad moletrap did not stay longer as well.
I don't understand the TB hate. I love him. He reminds me of those radio sportscasters. I can tell what's going on by just listening to the audio while doing other things and it's entertaining at the same time. Can't say that for many other casters.
There was no fanfare when Kelly or DOA were dropped. Their trial ran out and GOM chose not to renew them. I'm sure the same thing happened with Moletrap. For one reason or another they were not thrilled. Is it that difficult to latch onto?
They weren't not renewed, GOM Code A is a rotational invitation right now.
When I see Wolf casting by himself and referencing his invisible friend co-caster DT buddies it makes me sad, like I want to fly to Korea immediately and help him out so he isn't lonely T_T
As a decent code A caster shouldn't they just have wolf (the person he/she will be working with) cast random games to see how well it goes? That was some of the issue with every pair except Tastosis because they flow together. I personally don't watch many other casters except the top ones, so no clue who should go.
As a side note to TotalBiscut. Casters do make a big difference in most games. In football or basketball when you miss the play or just don't happen to see it they are there to announce what happened. They can also give you insight by seeing more. The reason why they're important is because they whole game is not visible to the individual watching. It isn't about them forcing something to be exciting but the continuous stream of information.
Lol, if you want to go into "fake excitement" just look at Gretorp. When his casting partner gets really into the game, Gretorp begins to fake being as excited and it's just terrible to listen to.
On June 10 2011 13:28 SKtheAnathema wrote: I don't understand the TB hate. I love him. He reminds me of those radio sportscasters. I can tell what's going on by just listening to the audio while doing other things and it's entertaining at the same time. Can't say that for many other casters.
If you are listening to the audio of a video instead of watching it, then you are doing it wrong
We aren't talking about radio, we are talking about video. Radio announcers have to tell you what is going on because you cannot see it for yourself. Video allows you to see what's going on, making video a superior medium for entertainment.
It's a good thing that you can't say it for other casters because they actually have an idea of what they are doing.
On June 10 2011 13:28 SKtheAnathema wrote: I don't understand the TB hate. I love him. He reminds me of those radio sportscasters. I can tell what's going on by just listening to the audio while doing other things and it's entertaining at the same time. Can't say that for many other casters.
If you are listening to the audio of a video instead of watching it, then you are doing it wrong
We aren't talking about radio, we are talking about video. Radio announcers have to tell you what is going on because you cannot see it for yourself. Video allows you to see what's going on, making video a superior medium for entertainment.
It's a good thing that you can't say it for other casters because they actually have an idea of what they are doing.
On June 10 2011 13:28 SKtheAnathema wrote: I don't understand the TB hate. I love him. He reminds me of those radio sportscasters. I can tell what's going on by just listening to the audio while doing other things and it's entertaining at the same time. Can't say that for many other casters.
If you are listening to the audio of a video instead of watching it, then you are doing it wrong
We aren't talking about radio, we are talking about video. Radio announcers have to tell you what is going on because you cannot see it for yourself. Video allows you to see what's going on, making video a superior medium for entertainment.
It's a good thing that you can't say it for other casters because they actually have an idea of what they are doing.
This is how commentary actually works in the real world.
I do watch sports and I see the point you are making. It doesn't change the fact that radio and video are two different mediums of entertainment and require different approaches to commentary.
Adebisi has been my favourite caster for a fair while now (even if he does stubbornly refuse to stream when I'm online). Not once have I had to sit back in annoyance and mutter to myself 'how can you not know this?' Fingers crossed for you.
On June 10 2011 13:28 SKtheAnathema wrote: I don't understand the TB hate. I love him. He reminds me of those radio sportscasters. I can tell what's going on by just listening to the audio while doing other things and it's entertaining at the same time. Can't say that for many other casters.
If you are listening to the audio of a video instead of watching it, then you are doing it wrong
We aren't talking about radio, we are talking about video. Radio announcers have to tell you what is going on because you cannot see it for yourself. Video allows you to see what's going on, making video a superior medium for entertainment.
It's a good thing that you can't say it for other casters because they actually have an idea of what they are doing.
This is how commentary actually works in the real world.
In Germany we only have one commentator for football (soccer). He's doing both play by play and color commentating. So having guys who do both & excel at both isnt unheard of in the real world
I think however it's a fairly important point to consider, that the casters make so much of a difference to the eSports experience in Starcraft 2 when the casting is much less of a factor in actual sports in terms of how much you enjoy the game. Which makes me wonder about just how legitimate Starcraft 2 actually is as a spectator sport when the commentators can either make the most dull game entertaining, or the best game an unlistenable disaster in the eyes and ears of some people. Food for thought, nothing more.
I don't think it's fair to draw that parallel when actual sports commentators are a lot more established in terms of experience in casting professionally, so you are going to get a higher, more even standard of casting in real sport. In addition to this, I know of plenty of people who absolutely would not have listened sky sports and will listen to bbc 5 live or something just because they hated Andy Gray's commentary. Similarly, god save you if you ever try to listen to any Chinese commentary of football, it's absolutely abysmal, and I have a hard time watching that personally.
Being a play by play commentator might excuse you not going into the greatest depth of analysis, but it's not an excuse for having a negligible knowledge of the game.
Martin Tyler might not provide the analysis of the colour commentator, but he definitely understands the game of football.
The big difference between starcraft and mainstream sports is the 'at a glance' simplicity of the game. Take the tennis example above. Any first timer can watch for 5 minutes and know the object of the game, and probably most of the rules. Another 5 minutes and you can tell how good the people playing are... Play by play announcing of tennis would be a) impossibly difficult due to the speed of the game, and b) insanely redundant. I don't know if tennis matches are ever done on radio, though I suppose they have been at some point or another...
The same is true of futbol (soccer), baseball and basketball. The games are intuitive, practically self explanatory, at a glance... but these games take a little longer to get to know the depth of the game, so more commentary is necessary. I think American football and baseball have the greatest depth of gameplay, and so need both analysis, color, and commentary for the best viewing experience. This of course can be done either with video or just audio...
Starcraft is a lot like these latter games, except it may take a little bit longer to grasp what is going on. All the more reason to have multiple layers and types of commentary... And certainly, the more you know about the game, the less layers you 'need' as a spectator, but that does nt mean they ought not be present.
I don't 'need' Vin Scully or Joe Buck/Tim McCarver to tell me what is happening in a baseball game. But if I'm watching on TV, they make the experience better. (ok, Buck/McCarver was a bad example, I just assumed they were the most well known baseball commentators)
TL;DR While certain kinds of commentary may seem extraneous to some, it is a welcomed part of the experience for most viewers, even the most savvy.
Tennis is a bit of an exception though, as silence from the public is expected while players are exchanging shots and commentators naturally tend to do the same. It's part of tennis culture, really.
Thrilled to see my name mentioned by a few people throughout this thread! However, I just took on a full time position at IGN, so living in South Korea for a while isn't really an option at the moment. I would love to visit, though. =)
On June 08 2011 21:05 FaCE_1 wrote: Idra could recycled himself and go casting instead of playing?
Joke apart, I would like to see Husky apply, or if by any luck he want, Chill could go, he is a pretty good caster.
Husky's knowledge of players is ridiculously small so no.
I'd like to see AskJoshy go.
This. Josh combines a great voice, dry humor and pretty deep knowledge of the game. In my opinion still the first of the 'second row' of casters. Oh, and the 'fro, don't forget the 'fro!
Edit: Damn, I should have read to the end of the thread. Quite a pity, Josh - Maybe at another time then.
I think Wolf and Khaldor would be a perfect combination. Khaldor is a great play-by-play caster, maybe only second to TB, and Wolf is maybe only second to Artosis on analysis recently.
On June 08 2011 20:01 Voltaire wrote: Someone send this link to Totalbiscuit.
The GSL needs him.
If TotalBiscuit casts the GSL I'll stop watching. He's painful to listen to.
I like his style and voice, but I think he is more needed in the western world to attract guys how don't play or watch Starcraft to improve their own play.
On June 21 2011 17:49 bennyaus wrote: I think Wolf and Khaldor would be a perfect combination. Khaldor is a great play-by-play caster, maybe only second to TB, and Wolf is maybe only second to Artosis on analysis recently.
Day9?
But yeah, he would be an excellent pickup if GOM did chose him.
Khaldor would pretty much be amazing. Think of the advertising he could do for that apple energy drink he always plugs during his casts. Free energy drink for the whole sc2 community!
Oh wow! Give khaldor, absolutely love his casting! Think most people on TL love him already ( no doubt there will be haters, because haters gotta hate)
But I would love to see more English casting of khaldor!
Totalbiscuit won't happen as he has too many commitments in the west. However, if anyone heard him with MC or TLO at DH, you'd be pleasantly surprised. Alot of his faults disappear with a co-caster. I like him solo enough anyway, but with a cocaster he seemed to grow in confidence with what he was saying, and stopped casting stuff that was blatantly wrong. TBLO and MCbiscuit were great.
On June 21 2011 17:49 bennyaus wrote: I think Wolf and Khaldor would be a perfect combination. Khaldor is a great play-by-play caster, maybe only second to TB, and Wolf is maybe only second to Artosis on analysis recently.
Day9?
But yeah, he would be an excellent pickup if GOM did chose him.
To be honest, Day9 is awesome, but for some reason I cannot enjoy his casts as much as Tastosis. And I think I finally know why this is the case: He's too loud at times. Especially in Dreamhack, it was hard to find a volume where you could still comfortable understand Apollo and not get ear pains when Day9 screams in excitement. In that regard, Klazart was great in that regard, he conveyed his excitment not by become louder, but hell of a lot faster. Not sure if this is his "problem" or just bad audio management by the organizers.
edit:
Oh wait, that was ridiculously off-topic. Regarding Khaldor and GSL: I don't really watch many of Khaldor's stream, but I do not dislike them either. Definitely worth a try, I'll be rooting for him casting the GSL.
On June 21 2011 18:10 Novalisk wrote: I love Khaldor in german but his english casting isn't quite as smooth.
That's not such a problem when he's 1 of 2 casters. Solo casting in English can be a bit of a problem (lack of vocabulary, not 100% smooth etc), but with another native English speaker I don't expect it would be such an issue.
its awesome when he streams in english. i watch him stream in german as well - even tho i dont understand a word. he is truly great - brings alot of excitement to the game and his analysis and calls are usually correct.
I'm not sure I want Khaldor in Korea. He was covering so many events here in Europe, I will miss him On the other hand he's a fantastic caster, his energy is awesome and GSL will be a lot more enjoyable - I love when he repeats words during a big battle <3
Out of all the casters listed in the thread so far, Khaldor stands out the most. I really like his energy and his interaction and knowledge of the players. But since the players are Korean now, I'm not sure how well that work out.
Nevertheless, I think that Gom really needs somebody with his energy. Tastosis seems to only put on the energy for players that they like even if the games are really intense and really good. So Khaldor being someone who can keep the energy high regardless of who the players are would be a huge asset.
What Khaldor not too smooth in English? I agree that his German casts are much better but still his English casts are amazing! Keep in mind that (1) its obviously not his first language, (2) he is solo casting and (3) he is observing. And hes beeing doing so for many hours straight during his casts. Wolf and Tasteosis said countless times that (2) and (3) at once are veeeeeeery hard to do. So I have nothing but the greatest respect for Khaldors casting. And besides, to repete myself :D, he is a GREAT caster!
On June 21 2011 19:43 PiQLiQ wrote: I would rather see day9/apollo even so idra than so many many other casters out there. Perhaps PsY?
Day9 yes Apollo no thanks.
Apollo sounds like he is casting a documentary about the wild life or something. Specially when he goes into "whisper mode" like he is afraid to scare the rare animals he just discovered.
On June 21 2011 19:50 mustache wrote: that guys that casted dreamhack invitational with TLO would be hilarious. the guy that loves those subway cookies
You mean the WCG Sweden Qualifiers/Finals? If so then that was 2GD and I think he mainly casts Quake Live. He's funny and a great caster, but definitely needs an analytical caster with him.
On June 21 2011 19:50 mustache wrote: that guys that casted dreamhack invitational with TLO would be hilarious. the guy that loves those subway cookies
You mean the WCG Sweden Qualifiers/Finals? If so then that was 2GD and I think he mainly casts Quake Live. He's funny and a great caster, but definitely needs an analytical caster with him.
thats the guy :D i think wolf knows enough about the game for them to complement each other.
Chill said he applied too, right? Either way, I dunno if they should pick a caster outright, they really need to test how well they can synergise with Wolf.
I kind of like khaldor in german (not my favourite though), i dont like his english casting at all. I cant really blame him because casting in a foreign language must be extremely difficult. I hope theyll go for a native english speaker. I vote for Trump (dont know how good his casting skills are but i like his stream
Dunno why you all love Khaldor. His commentary is quite good but really very play by play style nothing special...and when i say that it is about the german cast
the english one is way worse...
but why didn`t anyone comment on trumps application, i think it's great that he applied...
Khaldor is good - as long as he casts alone and in german. When casting with a partner he often cuts the other guy out in the middle of a sentence and he overuses english terms of excitement (like "awesome", "amazing", "huge" ...). Casting in an other language than your native one must be difficult, but if I realise the caster has a limited vocabulary, I just have to turn the stream off. Please dont get me wrong, I am a huge Khaldor fan for years (remembering epic wc3 casts ), but I have to be honest with this and sugar coding doesn`t help anyone.
On June 21 2011 22:09 zul wrote: Khaldor is good - as long as he casts alone and in german. When casting with a partner he often cuts the other guy out in the middle of a sentence and he overuses english terms of excitement (like "awesome", "amazing", "huge" ...). Casting in an other language than your native one must be difficult, but if I realise the caster has a limited vocabulary, I just have to turn the stream off. Please dont get me wrong, I am a huge Khaldor fan for years (remembering epic wc3 casts ), but I have to be honest with this and sugar coding doesn`t help anyone.
I personally only watch Khaldor when he streams in english, because I just hate german commentary. It always sound so akward. and i must say that khaldor's english casts have always been great. I think he would do a good job (certainly better than every code a caster after kelly)
On June 21 2011 18:39 gullberg wrote: Gief Khaldor )))
Oh god the people asking for TotalBiscuit need to stop.
I WON'T LET HIM DESTROY MA CODE A LIKE KELLY
Look at the end of the day you don't have any influence on it one way or the other, caps or no caps.
Fairly ridiculous that you ask for Khaldor then in the same post think I would destroy Code A, when we cast in the same style and know about as much about SC2 as each other. It does demonstrate that most casting preferences are really little more than subjective likes and dislikes, rather than real, substantive concerns, which is the reason organisations don't take the opinions of the community so seriously when choosing their casters.
On June 21 2011 18:39 gullberg wrote: Gief Khaldor )))
Oh god the people asking for TotalBiscuit need to stop.
I WON'T LET HIM DESTROY MA CODE A LIKE KELLY
Look at the end of the day you don't have any influence on it one way or the other, caps or no caps.
Fairly ridiculous that you ask for Khaldor then in the same post think I would destroy Code A, when we cast in the same style and know about as much about SC2 as each other. It does demonstrate that most casting preferences are really little more than subjective likes and dislikes, rather than real, substantive concerns.
Haters gonna hate TB I would say 90% of the community loves your casting and the other 10% like to whine about everything. you are awesome who else gets to cast with MC :D I think you would do very well at code A but I would miss you doing normal tournaments since I dont watch code A
On June 21 2011 22:43 Sylverin wrote: Haters gonna hate TB I would say 90% of the community loves your casting and the other 10% like to whine about everything. you are awesome who else gets to cast with MC :D I think you would do very well at code A but I would miss you doing normal tournaments since I dont watch code A
It'd be fun but it would damage my other commitments too much so I can't justify applying for it. Besides, I think it's the scene in the west that needs help growing, casting for GSL doesn't bring new people into SC2. On the contrary, the GSL is hardcore orientated, which is why the bias towards analytical casting styles is there. New players don't know about the GSL and won't pay for the GSL. They certainly won't get up at crazy-o-clock to watch it.
And I hoped there would finally be two casters who don't shout all the time. Good luck anyways, there are worse options. If the GOM guys can adjust the volume properly it could turn out quite well though.
@TB Khaldor is in masters though. (as far as i know) But I agree that your casting style is similar.
On June 21 2011 22:54 Stamper wrote: And I hoped there would finally be two casters who don't shout all the time. Good luck anyways, there are worse options. If the GOM guys can adjust the volume properly it could turn out quite well though.
@TB Khaldor is in masters though. (as far as i know) But I agree that your casting style is similar.
Yeah, GOM could do with a little compression every now and again
Besides in live casts day9 and Khaldor are kind of similar. day9 does have more knowledge about the game but casting live it's mostly shouting. @TB good choice to edit that
On June 21 2011 23:01 Hollis wrote: YES day9 mrbitter NO moletrap gretorp khaldor
Why do people think Day9 would go to cast Code A when his self-expressed purpose right now is to grow eSports in the west?
That's just it though, they don't think..hence making such an absurd claim.
On June 21 2011 23:09 Stamper wrote: Besides in live casts day9 and Khaldor are kind of similar. day9 does have more knowledge about the game but casting live it's mostly shouting. @TB good choice to edit that
LOL, as you say that, I'm watching the mc vs idra dh vod, and day9 yells "OOOOOOOOHHHHHH NOOOOOOO THEEE COLLOSUSSSS FALLLLLLLLSSSSSSS" at the top of his lungs. I rofl'd.
On June 21 2011 19:43 PiQLiQ wrote: I would rather see day9/apollo even so idra than so many many other casters out there. Perhaps PsY?
Day9 yes Apollo no thanks.
Apollo sounds like he is casting a documentary about the wild life or something. Specially when he goes into "whisper mode" like he is afraid to scare the rare animals he just discovered.
While this trait of Apollo is really strange, it is also unique. Other casters get louder, he gets softer and begins to whisper.
On June 21 2011 18:39 gullberg wrote: Gief Khaldor )))
Oh god the people asking for TotalBiscuit need to stop.
I WON'T LET HIM DESTROY MA CODE A LIKE KELLY
Look at the end of the day you don't have any influence on it one way or the other, caps or no caps.
Fairly ridiculous that you ask for Khaldor then in the same post think I would destroy Code A, when we cast in the same style and know about as much about SC2 as each other. It does demonstrate that most casting preferences are really little more than subjective likes and dislikes, rather than real, substantive concerns, which is the reason organisations don't take the opinions of the community so seriously when choosing their casters.
Khaldor would be great, I've seen a lot of his casting in German and only a handful in english but he is awesome from what I've seen. Hopefully GOM has some sense
On June 21 2011 18:39 gullberg wrote: Gief Khaldor )))
Oh god the people asking for TotalBiscuit need to stop.
I WON'T LET HIM DESTROY MA CODE A LIKE KELLY
Look at the end of the day you don't have any influence on it one way or the other, caps or no caps.
Fairly ridiculous that you ask for Khaldor then in the same post think I would destroy Code A, when we cast in the same style and know about as much about SC2 as each other. It does demonstrate that most casting preferences are really little more than subjective likes and dislikes, rather than real, substantive concerns, which is the reason organisations don't take the opinions of the community so seriously when choosing their casters.
FFS man...who wants to listen a person who is constantly crying to/about people who have the nerve to voice their legitimate opinion of you? I don't like TB to begin with but I really can't stand how he takes the victim role in every post he addresses a troll. Grow the fuck up, you act like a fucking kid. Do you think you are causing more people to like you when you respond to a troll in a whiny tone? NO. For your own sake you should quit responding to people, but you probably couldn't do that because you like the attention too much.
TL;DR : some people will not like you no matter what TB, so grow the fuck up and get over it.
Please gomtv don't pick someone who doesn't speak proper english. I don't care how good they are or how much they know about the game, a foreign accent just irritates me.
On June 22 2011 04:52 GamanNo wrote: Please gomtv don't pick someone who doesn't speak proper english. I don't care how good they are or how much they know about the game, a foreign accent just irritates me.
You should never ever leave your country and try to communicate with foreign people in a common language (english, german)
On June 22 2011 04:52 GamanNo wrote: Please gomtv don't pick someone who doesn't speak proper english. I don't care how good they are or how much they know about the game, a foreign accent just irritates me.
You're from Sweden. How did you learn English if everyone just irritates you over there? Do you speak proper English yourself?
On June 22 2011 04:52 GamanNo wrote: Please gomtv don't pick someone who doesn't speak proper english. I don't care how good they are or how much they know about the game, a foreign accent just irritates me.
You're from Sweden. How did you learn English if everyone just irritates you over there? Do you speak proper English yourself?
What does it matter how he speaks lol? I know I don't like listening to casters with certain accents because I know how english is supposed to sound like. I wouldn't mind a TLO, TB and MC co-cast though
On June 21 2011 18:39 gullberg wrote: Gief Khaldor )))
Oh god the people asking for TotalBiscuit need to stop.
I WON'T LET HIM DESTROY MA CODE A LIKE KELLY
Look at the end of the day you don't have any influence on it one way or the other, caps or no caps.
Fairly ridiculous that you ask for Khaldor then in the same post think I would destroy Code A, when we cast in the same style and know about as much about SC2 as each other. It does demonstrate that most casting preferences are really little more than subjective likes and dislikes, rather than real, substantive concerns, which is the reason organisations don't take the opinions of the community so seriously when choosing their casters.
He said he didn't like you. That's valid. He's obviously not trying to affect the decision, just as when I post "No Cella! Don't send out ____!" I'm not actually trying affect Cella's decision.
It doesn't matter if his like of a caster is objective, because he will base his actions on his subjective opinion. Objectivity is important when making broad generalizations like "A caster should do A B C and never do D E F because of X Y Z" but a person doesn't really need to objectively explain why he doesn't like something. I don't really like IPAs. Why? I don't know I just don't like them so I don't drink them. I don't need to objectively explain to you why I don't drink them.
The last part is frankly absurd. To say an organization doesn't weigh popularity when choosing casters doesn't explain why Day[9] is at every major LAN or why MLG flew Tastosis across the world. Obviously the general popularity of a caster is a major factor in an event choosing who to hire.
Well, since you are unfortunately reading what these idiots have to say i wanted to ask: Are you applying for the job? Would love to see you bring that excitement to some of those code A games.
I still wanna see Kael in Code A with Wolf (CSN Clash of the houses guy). I would also love to see DOA and Wolf together but I don't think that will happen . I really liked DOA :'(.
On June 21 2011 18:39 gullberg wrote: Gief Khaldor )))
Oh god the people asking for TotalBiscuit need to stop.
I WON'T LET HIM DESTROY MA CODE A LIKE KELLY
Look at the end of the day you don't have any influence on it one way or the other, caps or no caps.
Fairly ridiculous that you ask for Khaldor then in the same post think I would destroy Code A, when we cast in the same style and know about as much about SC2 as each other. It does demonstrate that most casting preferences are really little more than subjective likes and dislikes, rather than real, substantive concerns, which is the reason organisations don't take the opinions of the community so seriously when choosing their casters.
Although I'm not a big fan of Khaldor, saying he isn't better than you is a downright lie. Khaldor is at least Master League while you are still stuck in Silver.
On June 21 2011 18:39 gullberg wrote: Gief Khaldor )))
Oh god the people asking for TotalBiscuit need to stop.
I WON'T LET HIM DESTROY MA CODE A LIKE KELLY
Oh god people asking for khaldor need to stop, I won't let him destroy my code A with his overreaction to anything he sees, and probably the less knowledgable guy to ever apply.
On June 21 2011 18:39 gullberg wrote: Gief Khaldor )))
Oh god the people asking for TotalBiscuit need to stop.
I WON'T LET HIM DESTROY MA CODE A LIKE KELLY
Look at the end of the day you don't have any influence on it one way or the other, caps or no caps.
Fairly ridiculous that you ask for Khaldor then in the same post think I would destroy Code A, when we cast in the same style and know about as much about SC2 as each other. It does demonstrate that most casting preferences are really little more than subjective likes and dislikes, rather than real, substantive concerns, which is the reason organisations don't take the opinions of the community so seriously when choosing their casters.
He said he didn't like you. That's valid. He's obviously not trying to affect the decision, just as when I post "No Cella! Don't send out ____!" I'm not actually trying affect Cella's decision.
It doesn't matter if his like of a caster is objective, because he will base his actions on his subjective opinion. Objectivity is important when making broad generalizations like "A caster should do A B C and never do D E F because of X Y Z" but a person doesn't really need to objectively explain why he doesn't like something. I don't really like IPAs. Why? I don't know I just don't like them so I don't drink them. I don't need to objectively explain to you why I don't drink them.
The last part is frankly absurd. To say an organization doesn't weigh popularity when choosing casters doesn't explain why Day[9] is at every major LAN or why MLG flew Tastosis across the world. Obviously the general popularity of a caster is a major factor in an event choosing who to hire.
I have a strong urge to tell you to get out..not sure why. -- Main point: My vote is for day9 or wheat. Get english casters who known to be good and not random people from every country but english-speaking.
On June 21 2011 18:39 gullberg wrote: Gief Khaldor )))
Oh god the people asking for TotalBiscuit need to stop.
I WON'T LET HIM DESTROY MA CODE A LIKE KELLY
Look at the end of the day you don't have any influence on it one way or the other, caps or no caps.
Fairly ridiculous that you ask for Khaldor then in the same post think I would destroy Code A, when we cast in the same style and know about as much about SC2 as each other. It does demonstrate that most casting preferences are really little more than subjective likes and dislikes, rather than real, substantive concerns, which is the reason organisations don't take the opinions of the community so seriously when choosing their casters.
Although I'm not a big fan of Khaldor, saying he isn't better than you is a downright lie. Khaldor is at least Master League while you are still stuck in Silver.
That would be relevant if they were going there to play but unfortunately they are there to cast games
On June 21 2011 18:39 gullberg wrote: Gief Khaldor )))
Oh god the people asking for TotalBiscuit need to stop.
I WON'T LET HIM DESTROY MA CODE A LIKE KELLY
Look at the end of the day you don't have any influence on it one way or the other, caps or no caps.
Fairly ridiculous that you ask for Khaldor then in the same post think I would destroy Code A, when we cast in the same style and know about as much about SC2 as each other. It does demonstrate that most casting preferences are really little more than subjective likes and dislikes, rather than real, substantive concerns, which is the reason organisations don't take the opinions of the community so seriously when choosing their casters.
Although I'm not a big fan of Khaldor, saying he isn't better than you is a downright lie. Khaldor is at least Master League while you are still stuck in Silver.
That would be relevant if they were going there to play but unfortunately they are there to cast games
So you're fine with a newbie casting games? I for one, want to learn something and understand everything that is going on when i see a game. I've seen TB miss several important aspects of his casted games, from tech choices to even big battles (Haypro vs Bomber Game 1).
On June 21 2011 22:40 TotalBiscuit wrote: It does demonstrate that most casting preferences are really little more than subjective likes and dislikes, rather than real, substantive concerns, which is the reason organisations don't take the opinions of the community so seriously when choosing their casters.
Well... duh! Of course they're subjective likes and dislikes. It's TV. Is there an objective reason to differentiate between Conan and Leno? It's largely down to the popularity of the individual and that, incidentally in the case of SC2, is also party objective as it has to do with knowledge of the game as well as general casting style. But mostly it will be a subjective like. Same as with musicians, tv presenters, talk-show hosts, news anchors, etc.
Frankly I don't see how people can watch your stream. That's nothing personal against you or your qualities as a caster, I haven't seen enough of it to be able to judge whether or not you know what you're talking about, but I just can't listen to you for very long and it seems there are a lot of people that feel the same way. Now having said that, there's also a large group of people that do enjoy watching you as is evidenced by the amount of viewers and subscribers.
But to say that it's largely subjective and that because of that, companies won't pay much attention to our opinions is a pretty silly thing to say. It's exactly because of the subjective nature of the popularity that they have to listen to us, because there are no real objective standards to measure by.
On June 21 2011 18:39 gullberg wrote: Gief Khaldor )))
Oh god the people asking for TotalBiscuit need to stop.
I WON'T LET HIM DESTROY MA CODE A LIKE KELLY
Look at the end of the day you don't have any influence on it one way or the other, caps or no caps.
Fairly ridiculous that you ask for Khaldor then in the same post think I would destroy Code A, when we cast in the same style and know about as much about SC2 as each other. It does demonstrate that most casting preferences are really little more than subjective likes and dislikes, rather than real, substantive concerns, which is the reason organisations don't take the opinions of the community so seriously when choosing their casters.
Although I'm not a big fan of Khaldor, saying he isn't better than you is a downright lie. Khaldor is at least Master League while you are still stuck in Silver.
That would be relevant if they were going there to play but unfortunately they are there to cast games
bcuz of course you don't need to know shit about the game to be able to cast s-class pro matches...
The last part is frankly absurd. To say an organization doesn't weigh popularity when choosing casters doesn't explain why Day[9] is at every major LAN or why MLG flew Tastosis across the world. Obviously the general popularity of a caster is a major factor in an event choosing who to hire.
i dont think its true....day9 and tastosis are simply the best, thats why.and maybe thats why they are the most popular.
i really like khaldor and i really LOVE TB...but i think neither of them should cast the gsl...when i watch the gsl i dont want to see only top notch players. i also wanna see top notch commentators. and that means they also need to have a very deep game understanding while casting the best players in the world. it would be a shame if the gsl casters cant even understand what incredible move the player did.
On June 21 2011 18:39 gullberg wrote: Gief Khaldor )))
Oh god the people asking for TotalBiscuit need to stop.
I WON'T LET HIM DESTROY MA CODE A LIKE KELLY
Look at the end of the day you don't have any influence on it one way or the other, caps or no caps.
Fairly ridiculous that you ask for Khaldor then in the same post think I would destroy Code A, when we cast in the same style and know about as much about SC2 as each other. It does demonstrate that most casting preferences are really little more than subjective likes and dislikes, rather than real, substantive concerns, which is the reason organisations don't take the opinions of the community so seriously when choosing their casters.
Although I'm not a big fan of Khaldor, saying he isn't better than you is a downright lie. Khaldor is at least Master League while you are still stuck in Silver.
That would be relevant if they were going there to play but unfortunately they are there to cast games
It's 100% relevant since higher skilled casters are more exposed to higher level plays as well as strategies and they can appreciate the skills/mechanics required more.
The last part is frankly absurd. To say an organization doesn't weigh popularity when choosing casters doesn't explain why Day[9] is at every major LAN or why MLG flew Tastosis across the world. Obviously the general popularity of a caster is a major factor in an event choosing who to hire.
i dont think its true....day9 and tastosis are simply the best, thats why.and maybe thats why they are the most popular.
Reread what TotalBiscuit wrote, what I wrote and then what you wrote.
Edit: To summarize:
TB: Events don't care what people think about their casters. Me: Of course popularity dictates which casters events hire. You: Day9 and Tastosis are the best. That's why they are popular. (??)
I want to see Nuke! Please apply, bribe and sleep you way into casting gsl! (I can do the bribing and sleeping for you but I guess you have to apply in person)
The last part is frankly absurd. To say an organization doesn't weigh popularity when choosing casters doesn't explain why Day[9] is at every major LAN or why MLG flew Tastosis across the world. Obviously the general popularity of a caster is a major factor in an event choosing who to hire.
i dont think its true....day9 and tastosis are simply the best, thats why.and maybe thats why they are the most popular.
Reread what TotalBiscuit wrote, what I wrote and then what you wrote.
Edit: To summarize:
TB: Events don't care what people think about their casters. Me: Of course popularity dictates which casters events hire. You: Day9 and Tastosis are the best. That's why they are popular. (??)
its stupid to explain. and mb my english reading skills arent good enough and i didnt get the point. but i think even when tastosis wouldnt be that popular, gsl would still hire them, because they are skillwise the best. and if i would be the best league in the world, i would also want the best casters and not the most popular. that the best are also the most popular right now with day9 and tastosis is just lucky for us
and you also have to seperate popular casual casters(khaldor TB), and popular high level casters (day9,tastosis,wolf,diggity). and lets imagine khaldor would have half amillion fans more than day9, while day9 has the same amount of fans like now. gsl would still pick day9. because they would differ between a casual and a high level caster, no matter how many fans khaldor has more.
edit: now i see, but thats not exactly what i wanted to say. i just wanted to say that skill is still bigger than pure popularity in terms of picking a caster for the best leagues in the world
Wow.... guys, I'm simply amazed by that overwhelming feedback! I really appreciate the support, thank you so much! Never expected such a reaction to my post!
I read through the criticism as well and I'll try to improve on those points. I've been trying to be more analytic and I think I improved in the past weeks and months. Obviously im no Day9 but I'll make sure to further improve my understanding of the game and also work on the other points that were mentioned!
Thanks again for the support, you guys are awesome! ♥
On June 22 2011 06:05 Khaldor wrote: Wow.... guys, I'm simply amazed by that overwhelming feedback! I really appreciate the support, thank you so much! Never expected such a reaction to my post!
I read through the criticism as well and I'll try to improve on those points. I've been trying to be more analytic and I think I improved in the past weeks and months. Obviously im no Day9 but I'll make sure to further improve my understanding of the game and also work on the other points that were mentioned!
Thanks again for the support, you guys are awesome! ♥
yeah you obviously trying hard since quite a while. thats why i like you so much taksen also had a hard time but made himself a good caster with hard work and passion. you can do it khaldor! gogo! BUT its not time for you yet to conquer korea....
On June 22 2011 06:05 Khaldor wrote: Wow.... guys, I'm simply amazed by that overwhelming feedback! I really appreciate the support, thank you so much! Never expected such a reaction to my post!
I read through the criticism as well and I'll try to improve on those points. I've been trying to be more analytic and I think I improved in the past weeks and months. Obviously im no Day9 but I'll make sure to further improve my understanding of the game and also work on the other points that were mentioned!
Thanks again for the support, you guys are awesome! ♥
Go Khaldor do everything in your power to let them know that you are committed. You will make Code A a lot better with an analytical code caster (or you can improve upon it yourself).
On June 22 2011 06:05 Khaldor wrote: Wow.... guys, I'm simply amazed by that overwhelming feedback! I really appreciate the support, thank you so much! Never expected such a reaction to my post!
I read through the criticism as well and I'll try to improve on those points. I've been trying to be more analytic and I think I improved in the past weeks and months. Obviously im no Day9 but I'll make sure to further improve my understanding of the game and also work on the other points that were mentioned!
Thanks again for the support, you guys are awesome! ♥
Would love to see you in Korea. Your English casting is really good, I even tune in on the german stream, eventhough I dont understand it all.
Surprised that HD or Husky havent been invited to go. I know HD is working the IPL, but Husky should go. He's really popular on the NA scene and he deserves it.
On June 22 2011 06:05 Khaldor wrote: Wow.... guys, I'm simply amazed by that overwhelming feedback! I really appreciate the support, thank you so much! Never expected such a reaction to my post!
I read through the criticism as well and I'll try to improve on those points. I've been trying to be more analytic and I think I improved in the past weeks and months. Obviously im no Day9 but I'll make sure to further improve my understanding of the game and also work on the other points that were mentioned!
Thanks again for the support, you guys are awesome! ♥
one question.. do you know how much you will get paid?
The last part is frankly absurd. To say an organization doesn't weigh popularity when choosing casters doesn't explain why Day[9] is at every major LAN or why MLG flew Tastosis across the world. Obviously the general popularity of a caster is a major factor in an event choosing who to hire.
That's not what I meant Chill, lemme rephrase. "Community opinion" for the most part, doesn't exist. The SC2 community for instance, is a completely nebulous beast. TL is a SC2 community, WP is a SC2 community, Reddit is an SC2 community, B.net is an SC2 community, then arguably there are communities surrounding individual YT casters, many of whom have their own websites which could be considered sub-communities of their overall viewerbase. Individual forums have their own SC2 megathreads that are in themselves, communities. So what it comes down to, is even if a large number of people in one of these groups express an opinion, it's still not only going to be a vocal minority of that individual community, but a VERY vocal minority of the entire community in general. There's no point in shouting that you don't want a particular caster as if it'll factor into the decision, the popularity of particular casters can be found out by other, more reliable means.
On another note, if they don't give Khaldor a shot it'd be an injustice. Talented play-by-play with Wolf's analysis would work well.
On June 22 2011 06:05 Khaldor wrote: Wow.... guys, I'm simply amazed by that overwhelming feedback! I really appreciate the support, thank you so much! Never expected such a reaction to my post!
I read through the criticism as well and I'll try to improve on those points. I've been trying to be more analytic and I think I improved in the past weeks and months. Obviously im no Day9 but I'll make sure to further improve my understanding of the game and also work on the other points that were mentioned!
Thanks again for the support, you guys are awesome! ♥
Dont think day9, think artosis.Then you can be the most awesome caster ever!
Hey TB you are a great caster and all but .. you would do yourself the biggest favor ever if you could learn to ignore people and stop arguing with everyone and their grandmother who would critisize you in any way.
As much as I like your casting you are putting yourself in a bad light everytime you argue with a random person or even worse a player.
The last part is frankly absurd. To say an organization doesn't weigh popularity when choosing casters doesn't explain why Day[9] is at every major LAN or why MLG flew Tastosis across the world. Obviously the general popularity of a caster is a major factor in an event choosing who to hire.
i dont think its true....day9 and tastosis are simply the best, thats why.and maybe thats why they are the most popular.
Reread what TotalBiscuit wrote, what I wrote and then what you wrote.
Edit: To summarize:
TB: Events don't care what people think about their casters. Me: Of course popularity dictates which casters events hire. You: Day9 and Tastosis are the best. That's why they are popular. (??)
its stupid to explain. and mb my english reading skills arent good enough and i didnt get the point. but i think even when tastosis wouldnt be that popular, gsl would still hire them, because they are skillwise the best. and if i would be the best league in the world, i would also want the best casters and not the most popular. that the best are also the most popular right now with day9 and tastosis is just lucky for us
and you also have to seperate popular casual casters(khaldor TB), and popular high level casters (day9,tastosis,wolf,diggity). and lets imagine khaldor would have half amillion fans more than day9, while day9 has the same amount of fans like now. gsl would still pick day9. because they would differ between a casual and a high level caster, no matter how many fans khaldor has more.
edit: now i see, but thats not exactly what i wanted to say. i just wanted to say that skill is still bigger than pure popularity in terms of picking a caster for the best leagues in the world
That makes sense. I get what you're saying now and I agree.
The last part is frankly absurd. To say an organization doesn't weigh popularity when choosing casters doesn't explain why Day[9] is at every major LAN or why MLG flew Tastosis across the world. Obviously the general popularity of a caster is a major factor in an event choosing who to hire.
That's not what I meant Chill, lemme rephrase. "Community opinion" for the most part, doesn't exist. The SC2 community for instance, is a completely nebulous beast. TL is a SC2 community, WP is a SC2 community, Reddit is an SC2 community, B.net is an SC2 community, then arguably there are communities surrounding individual YT casters, many of whom have their own websites which could be considered sub-communities of their overall viewerbase. Individual forums have their own SC2 megathreads that are in themselves, communities. So what it comes down to, is even if a large number of people in one of these groups express an opinion, it's still not only going to be a vocal minority of that individual community, but a VERY vocal minority of the entire community in general. There's no point in shouting that you don't want a particular caster as if it'll factor into the decision, the popularity of particular casters can be found out by other, more reliable means.
On another note, if they don't give Khaldor a shot it'd be an injustice. Talented play-by-play with Wolf's analysis would work well.
Okay that's 100% fair. I agree that the "people spamming on a message board" metric isn't exactly a strong one
On June 22 2011 06:05 Khaldor wrote: Wow.... guys, I'm simply amazed by that overwhelming feedback! I really appreciate the support, thank you so much! Never expected such a reaction to my post!
I read through the criticism as well and I'll try to improve on those points. I've been trying to be more analytic and I think I improved in the past weeks and months. Obviously im no Day9 but I'll make sure to further improve my understanding of the game and also work on the other points that were mentioned!
Thanks again for the support, you guys are awesome! ♥
It's cuz you're awesome bro. Best of luck, you got this!
I'd like to go as far as to say that Code A may not actually be the place for "popular" casters. Just as it's a place for players to break into Code S and achieve superstardom, it may also be the place to discover new casting talent. More to the point, popular casters in the West already have a lot of commitments and the Code A salary is not exactly attractive. Big-name casters are pretty much all committed to growing the foreign scene, they can't do that in Korea. There's plenty of talented casters out there that deserve a shot to grow their popularity amongst a more hardcore viewerbase, that don't already have a big fanbase.
On June 22 2011 07:26 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'd like to go as far as to say that Code A may not actually be the place for "popular" casters. Just as it's a place for players to break into Code S and achieve superstardom, it may also be the place to discover new casting talent. More to the point, popular casters in the US already have a lot of commitments and the Code A salary is not exactly attractive. Big-name casters are pretty much all committed to growing the foreign scene, they can't do that in Korea. There's plenty of talented casters out there that deserve a shot to grow their popularity amongst a more hardcore viewerbase, that don't already have a big fanbase.
On June 22 2011 07:26 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'd like to go as far as to say that Code A may not actually be the place for "popular" casters. Just as it's a place for players to break into Code S and achieve superstardom, it may also be the place to discover new casting talent. More to the point, popular casters in the US already have a lot of commitments and the Code A salary is not exactly attractive. Big-name casters are pretty much all committed to growing the foreign scene, they can't do that in Korea. There's plenty of talented casters out there that deserve a shot to grow their popularity amongst a more hardcore viewerbase, that don't already have a big fanbase.
On June 22 2011 04:52 GamanNo wrote: Please gomtv don't pick someone who doesn't speak proper english. I don't care how good they are or how much they know about the game, a foreign accent just irritates me.
You should never ever leave your country and try to communicate with foreign people in a common language (english, german)
When a caster has a foreign accent I have to concentrate a lot more which makes me relieved when americans or englishmen etc. talk. When I speak with someone else irl it's not irritating because I know that's the only way we'll understand each other. I still prefer to listen to someone who speaks perfect english though.
Wolf is already amazing. You need a caster that can supplement him, not interrupt him every two seconds. I think a lot of the casters people are mentioning wouldn't really fit this criteria, simply because they amazing solo casters in their own right.
On June 22 2011 04:52 GamanNo wrote: Please gomtv don't pick someone who doesn't speak proper english. I don't care how good they are or how much they know about the game, a foreign accent just irritates me.
You should never ever leave your country and try to communicate with foreign people in a common language (english, german)
When a caster has a foreign accent I have to concentrate a lot more which makes me relieved when americans or englishmen etc. talk. When I speak with someone else irl it's not irritating because I know that's the only way we'll understand each other. I still prefer to listen to someone who speaks perfect english though.
Do you actually listen to the casters? Many American casters speak English that is far from perfect. Confusing tenses, split infinitives, wrong usage of foreign words, horrible grammar; the list is long.
On June 22 2011 04:52 GamanNo wrote: Please gomtv don't pick someone who doesn't speak proper english. I don't care how good they are or how much they know about the game, a foreign accent just irritates me.
You should never ever leave your country and try to communicate with foreign people in a common language (english, german)
When a caster has a foreign accent I have to concentrate a lot more which makes me relieved when americans or englishmen etc. talk. When I speak with someone else irl it's not irritating because I know that's the only way we'll understand each other. I still prefer to listen to someone who speaks perfect english though.
Do you actually listen to the casters? Many American casters speak English that is far from perfect. Confusing tenses, split infinitives, wrong usage of foreign words, horrible grammar; the list is long.
Ok PERFECT english maybe isn't the right thing to say. But as long as there's no signs of them struggling with it... Come on you know what I mean.
On June 22 2011 04:52 GamanNo wrote: Please gomtv don't pick someone who doesn't speak proper english. I don't care how good they are or how much they know about the game, a foreign accent just irritates me.
You should never ever leave your country and try to communicate with foreign people in a common language (english, german)
When a caster has a foreign accent I have to concentrate a lot more which makes me relieved when americans or englishmen etc. talk. When I speak with someone else irl it's not irritating because I know that's the only way we'll understand each other. I still prefer to listen to someone who speaks perfect english though.
Do you actually listen to the casters? Many American casters speak English that is far from perfect. Confusing tenses, split infinitives, wrong usage of foreign words, horrible grammar; the list is long.
Ok PERFECT english maybe isn't the right thing to say. But as long as there's no signs of them struggling with it... Come on you know what I mean.
Personally I think an accent is perfectly fine as long as it's not painful. I'd say Kelly is right at the "border". I found her casts still okay, but one step worse / more difficult to understand would probably be too much. More important to me though is what is said and the volume difference. I find it so annoying when somebody is yelling the whole time. Or constantly switching between normal yelling and whispering. Or if the game is practically over for 5 minutes, one player has 2 more bases and double supply and still many casters keep yelling till the loser writes a GG. A resumee of the whole game and a short preview to the next one would be so much more appropriate. (Imagine in soccer it's 4:0 in the 80th minute and the commentator would still go crazy about every pass that reached its destination)
Khaldor's had massive support on this thread and on the reddit post. Besides individual casting abilities/game knowledge/popularity, the chemistry between casters is also a determining factor for me.
Chill is vehemently against working in esports full time. He doesn't seem like the type who would ever be interested in Code A casting, plus all he casts are TL-related stuff.
On June 08 2011 20:34 Ruscour wrote: TB won't do it, day[9] won't do it, Chill is just a bad fit.
Most likely options are Khaldor, MrBitter, Gretorp, Apollo, casters that don't have other major commitments (that we know of at least).
As an active viewer of Mr.Bitter he does have many commitments back in Atlanta, such as his lovely girlfriend Kani(i hope that's how you spell it), as well as his job of landlording, his 12 weeks show, his integral in the VT community, his stream, and more. He would obviously be a great caster for the GSL, but I am not 100% positive that is where his feelings lie. I want to be known that I am not speaking for Ben, and this is not his opinion, this is just my opinion based on what I have seen of him. In my opinion Khaldor would do a fantastic job, as well as gretorp who has gone a long way as a caster since the NASL was introduced, Apollo is strong as well, especially when paired with a strong caster. I feel as if a Khaldor +Wolf casting duo would be great to watch.
EDIT: I thought of an idea, and how about AskJoshy? I feel as if he's a good caster and could be paired well with wolf.
On June 22 2011 07:26 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'd like to go as far as to say that Code A may not actually be the place for "popular" casters. Just as it's a place for players to break into Code S and achieve superstardom, it may also be the place to discover new casting talent. More to the point, popular casters in the West already have a lot of commitments and the Code A salary is not exactly attractive. Big-name casters are pretty much all committed to growing the foreign scene, they can't do that in Korea. There's plenty of talented casters out there that deserve a shot to grow their popularity amongst a more hardcore viewerbase, that don't already have a big fanbase.
You really jump around here, and while I agree with much of what you say, I will say I think you have a bit of a 1 dimensional attitude. To you, going to cast Code A means giving up basically the rest of your livelihood and taking a job in Korea, casting, and supporting your family through that, which I understand, obviously you have certain commitments. For many others, its an opportunity to spend a few months living and working in a foreign country with an amazingly unique and rich culture as well as unreal cuisine, in an industry to love, getting a taste of what can only be considered the Mecca of Starcraft; its not about the money. Frankly I'm amazed more popular people haven't jumped at the idea, obviously its a big step to go out to Korea, and some people have specific loyalties or commitments to building the foreign scene, but this isn't a 5 year sentence, its a sick opportunity.
tldr; perhaps casting in Korea is a young man's game, as old and bitter as Artosis sounds sometimes xD
On June 22 2011 07:26 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'd like to go as far as to say that Code A may not actually be the place for "popular" casters. Just as it's a place for players to break into Code S and achieve superstardom, it may also be the place to discover new casting talent. More to the point, popular casters in the West already have a lot of commitments and the Code A salary is not exactly attractive. Big-name casters are pretty much all committed to growing the foreign scene, they can't do that in Korea. There's plenty of talented casters out there that deserve a shot to grow their popularity amongst a more hardcore viewerbase, that don't already have a big fanbase.
You really jump around here, and while I agree with much of what you say, I will say I think you have a bit of a 1 dimensional attitude. To you, going to cast Code A means giving up basically the rest of your livelihood and taking a job in Korea, casting, and supporting your family through that, which I understand, obviously you have certain commitments. For many others, its an opportunity to spend a few months living and working in a foreign country with an amazingly unique and rich culture as well as unreal cuisine, in an industry to love, getting a taste of what can only be considered the Mecca of Starcraft; its not about the money. Frankly I'm amazed more popular people haven't jumped at the idea, obviously its a big step to go out to Korea, and some people have specific loyalties or commitments to building the foreign scene, but this isn't a 5 year sentence, its a sick opportunity.
tldr; perhaps casting in Korea is a young man's game, as old and bitter as Artosis sounds sometimes xD
Man you are so fit for this thing its not even funny. Hit the nail right on the head. I hope to Adebisiiiii casting a Code A season or 2 soon.
Day9 won't move. I don't think TB has the knowledge to keep up in Korea. He has his own little corner of the community. Hopefully, we can use this opportunity to find new casters, instead of watching the same ten or twelve. It would be cool to have more high quality casters on the market, IMO.
Well, I think chances are high that we'll find someone who might be a little less known, because all the "name brand" casters already have gigs of some kind where they are, or their situations prohibit them from moving to Korea for 1 month.
About the how the job pays, yeah I'm sure like many things it's probably negotiable and thus they can't reveal how much pay the is. I'm sure it's a range though. But not too much leverage on our side that's for sure.
On June 22 2011 14:11 ginto wrote: Day9 won't move. I don't think TB has the knowledge to keep up in Korea. He has his own little corner of the community. Hopefully, we can use this opportunity to find new casters, instead of watching the same ten or twelve. It would be cool to have more high quality casters on the market, IMO.
Knowledge is irrelevant, and besides Wolf is far more analytical than he is play-by-play. TB's full time job is his YouTube channel, where SC2 isn't the main view generator, there's no way in hell he'd go. It seems that MrBitter has commitments as well. Good casters are very difficult to find.
I'm personally hoping for Apollo. Something about his accent...
On June 22 2011 07:26 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'd like to go as far as to say that Code A may not actually be the place for "popular" casters. Just as it's a place for players to break into Code S and achieve superstardom, it may also be the place to discover new casting talent. More to the point, popular casters in the West already have a lot of commitments and the Code A salary is not exactly attractive. Big-name casters are pretty much all committed to growing the foreign scene, they can't do that in Korea. There's plenty of talented casters out there that deserve a shot to grow their popularity amongst a more hardcore viewerbase, that don't already have a big fanbase.
You really jump around here, and while I agree with much of what you say, I will say I think you have a bit of a 1 dimensional attitude. To you, going to cast Code A means giving up basically the rest of your livelihood and taking a job in Korea, casting, and supporting your family through that, which I understand, obviously you have certain commitments. For many others, its an opportunity to spend a few months living and working in a foreign country with an amazingly unique and rich culture as well as unreal cuisine, in an industry to love, getting a taste of what can only be considered the Mecca of Starcraft; its not about the money. Frankly I'm amazed more popular people haven't jumped at the idea, obviously its a big step to go out to Korea, and some people have specific loyalties or commitments to building the foreign scene, but this isn't a 5 year sentence, its a sick opportunity.
tldr; perhaps casting in Korea is a young man's game, as old and bitter as Artosis sounds sometimes xD
On June 22 2011 07:26 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'd like to go as far as to say that Code A may not actually be the place for "popular" casters. Just as it's a place for players to break into Code S and achieve superstardom, it may also be the place to discover new casting talent. More to the point, popular casters in the West already have a lot of commitments and the Code A salary is not exactly attractive. Big-name casters are pretty much all committed to growing the foreign scene, they can't do that in Korea. There's plenty of talented casters out there that deserve a shot to grow their popularity amongst a more hardcore viewerbase, that don't already have a big fanbase.
You really jump around here, and while I agree with much of what you say, I will say I think you have a bit of a 1 dimensional attitude. To you, going to cast Code A means giving up basically the rest of your livelihood and taking a job in Korea, casting, and supporting your family through that, which I understand, obviously you have certain commitments. For many others, its an opportunity to spend a few months living and working in a foreign country with an amazingly unique and rich culture as well as unreal cuisine, in an industry to love, getting a taste of what can only be considered the Mecca of Starcraft; its not about the money. Frankly I'm amazed more popular people haven't jumped at the idea, obviously its a big step to go out to Korea, and some people have specific loyalties or commitments to building the foreign scene, but this isn't a 5 year sentence, its a sick opportunity.
tldr; perhaps casting in Korea is a young man's game, as old and bitter as Artosis sounds sometimes xD
Imo the reason most people wont apply is because the flight to korea and back might take over 50% of the 1 month 2-3 work days a week salary. I know that due that i wouldnt even consider going if i were a caster.
Gstl starts Friday right? Tastosis going a week on vacation according to their Twitter, so really wonder who gom gets to cast. I do like wolf a lot, but solo casting sux.
On June 22 2011 16:53 Mithriel wrote: Gstl starts Friday right? Tastosis going a week on vacation according to their Twitter, so really wonder who gom gets to cast. I do like wolf a lot, but solo casting sux.
On June 22 2011 16:53 Mithriel wrote: Gstl starts Friday right? Tastosis going a week on vacation according to their Twitter, so really wonder who gom gets to cast. I do like wolf a lot, but solo casting sux.
Vacation...together?
Yup, artosis, tasteless and hwanni going a week to Cambodia apparently.
You really jump around here, and while I agree with much of what you say, I will say I think you have a bit of a 1 dimensional attitude. To you, going to cast Code A means giving up basically the rest of your livelihood and taking a job in Korea, casting, and supporting your family through that, which I understand, obviously you have certain commitments. For many others, its an opportunity to spend a few months living and working in a foreign country with an amazingly unique and rich culture as well as unreal cuisine, in an industry to love, getting a taste of what can only be considered the Mecca of Starcraft; its not about the money. Frankly I'm amazed more popular people haven't jumped at the idea, obviously its a big step to go out to Korea, and some people have specific loyalties or commitments to building the foreign scene, but this isn't a 5 year sentence, its a sick opportunity.
tldr; perhaps casting in Korea is a young man's game, as old and bitter as Artosis sounds sometimes xD
The 1 dimensional attitude is a practical one. Code A is a "job" for those who can afford to take it and don't have a lot to lose. The pay sucks, you have to pay for your flight there, accomodation if you can't get in the GOM house (and if you can, you are staying with like 10 other guys which for some is not preferable), there is a massive language barrier and it's a lot of work for minimum compensation.
More popular people haven't jumped on it precisely BECAUSE they have specific loyalties and commitments. Code A is best suited to bachelors with nothing tying them down. You can't support a family on "love" for Starcraft alone so for many of us, even considering Code A would be ridiculously irresponsible. Trying to paint it as a lack of commitment to the scene rather than a realistic, sensible decision to not do something rash and impractical, is fairly silly.
You really jump around here, and while I agree with much of what you say, I will say I think you have a bit of a 1 dimensional attitude. To you, going to cast Code A means giving up basically the rest of your livelihood and taking a job in Korea, casting, and supporting your family through that, which I understand, obviously you have certain commitments. For many others, its an opportunity to spend a few months living and working in a foreign country with an amazingly unique and rich culture as well as unreal cuisine, in an industry to love, getting a taste of what can only be considered the Mecca of Starcraft; its not about the money. Frankly I'm amazed more popular people haven't jumped at the idea, obviously its a big step to go out to Korea, and some people have specific loyalties or commitments to building the foreign scene, but this isn't a 5 year sentence, its a sick opportunity.
tldr; perhaps casting in Korea is a young man's game, as old and bitter as Artosis sounds sometimes xD
The 1 dimensional attitude is a practical one. Code A is a "job" for those who can afford to take it and don't have a lot to lose. The pay sucks, you have to pay for your flight there, accomodation if you can't get in the GOM house (and if you can, you are staying with like 10 other guys which for some is not preferable), there is a massive language barrier and it's a lot of work for minimum compensation.
More popular people haven't jumped on it precisely BECAUSE they have specific loyalties and commitments. Code A is best suited to bachelors with nothing tying them down. You can't support a family on "love" for Starcraft alone so for many of us, even considering Code A would be ridiculously irresponsible. Trying to paint it as a lack of commitment to the scene rather than a realistic, sensible decision to not do something rash and impractical, is fairly silly.
Completely off-topic:
Do you make a living on SC2 or do you have day-job as well?
First of all, i <3 casting style of TB and Khaldor.
Sc2 casting should be more excitement based, that is why we watch sports. To share the emotions, passion and fun that comes along with it. Of course we do need logic and basic knowledge about the game, but still - we need more passion.
The 2 mentioned above really bring that to the game (even my girlfriend sometimes watches final events or big games with me)
For single handed casting - i see no place just for analytical casting. Of course, there are ppl on the world that will learn smth or get more knowledge about the game and will enjoy that even more, but for newcomers and those without any sc2 experiance it is usually unwatchable.
And yeah - perfect combo is when caster that brings passion to the game is supported with the one with knowledge.
On June 22 2011 17:55 papaz wrote: Completely off-topic:
Do you make a living on SC2 or do you have day-job as well?
Just curious...
SC2 is a small part of my total income which all comes from my YT channel and website. My other material generates 3-5 times the revenue of SC2. SC2 tends to be fairly expensive tbh, I probably broke even on Dreamhack thanks to being able to VoD to YT but quite a lot of these events don't pay expenses and if they do, don't pay fees to casters. I know Apollo and Day9 were catered to in that regard though so you don't need to worry about them.
You really jump around here, and while I agree with much of what you say, I will say I think you have a bit of a 1 dimensional attitude. To you, going to cast Code A means giving up basically the rest of your livelihood and taking a job in Korea, casting, and supporting your family through that, which I understand, obviously you have certain commitments. For many others, its an opportunity to spend a few months living and working in a foreign country with an amazingly unique and rich culture as well as unreal cuisine, in an industry to love, getting a taste of what can only be considered the Mecca of Starcraft; its not about the money. Frankly I'm amazed more popular people haven't jumped at the idea, obviously its a big step to go out to Korea, and some people have specific loyalties or commitments to building the foreign scene, but this isn't a 5 year sentence, its a sick opportunity.
tldr; perhaps casting in Korea is a young man's game, as old and bitter as Artosis sounds sometimes xD
The 1 dimensional attitude is a practical one. Code A is a "job" for those who can afford to take it and don't have a lot to lose. The pay sucks, you have to pay for your flight there, accomodation if you can't get in the GOM house (and if you can, you are staying with like 10 other guys which for some is not preferable), there is a massive language barrier and it's a lot of work for minimum compensation.
More popular people haven't jumped on it precisely BECAUSE they have specific loyalties and commitments. Code A is best suited to bachelors with nothing tying them down. You can't support a family on "love" for Starcraft alone so for many of us, even considering Code A would be ridiculously irresponsible. Trying to paint it as a lack of commitment to the scene rather than a realistic, sensible decision to not do something rash and impractical, is fairly silly.
I think you're looking at your own individual case and applying it to all casters a bit too much... For you, casting is your livelihood, but you've also said your SC2 work would in no way support you, and its the WoW and other game content that primarily allows you to do this.Furthermore, you also support a family, which other major casters do this? djWHEAT is the only one I can think of, I know CatsPajamas, Diggity and DoA are all married, but none have kids AFAIK and we aren't living in the 1920s here. The point I'm trying to make is while you see living with other people, a language barrier, "a lot of work" and maybe even nasty cuisine as reasons not to go, other people may see them as reasons to go, and it's the minority of casters who have families to support, and an even bigger minority of casters who support their families by casting. What is practical for you is not necessarily what is practical for other people. Most casters don't need to make a lot of money, they just need to make enough money to pay for their plane tickets and food wihle in Korea, maybe you know something I don't about how much the salary is.
Trying to paint it as a lack of commitment to the scene rather than a realistic, sensible decision to not do something rash and impractical, is fairly silly
I'm not sure what you're trying to say where, maybe you misunderstand me, or I misunderstand you? I don't think I ever said that popular casters not wanting to Code A is a lack of commitment to the scene?
On June 22 2011 18:15 Adebisi wrote: I think you're looking at your own individual case and applying it to all casters a bit too much... For you, casting is your livelihood, but you've also said your SC2 work would in no way support you, and its the WoW and other game content that primarily allows you to do this.Furthermore, you also support a family, which other major casters do this? djWHEAT is the only one I can think of, I know CatsPajamas, Diggity and DoA are all married, but none have kids AFAIK and we aren't living in the 1920s here. The point I'm trying to make is while you see living with other people, a language barrier, "a lot of work" and maybe even nasty cuisine as reasons not to go, other people may see them as reasons to go, and it's the minority of casters who have families to support, and an even bigger minority of casters who support their families by casting. What is practical for you is not necessarily what is practical for other people. Most casters don't need to make a lot of money, they just need to make enough money to pay for their plane tickets and food wihle in Korea, maybe you know something I don't about how much the salary is.
I could say the same thing about you in regard to looking only at your individual case. To be honest, doing Code A is not so much a job as it is a Pilgrimage and Pilgrimages often involve sacrifice.
As regards to the salary, well that's NDAed.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say where, maybe you misunderstand me, or I misunderstand you? I don't think I ever said that popular casters not wanting to Code A is a lack of commitment to the scene?
Ahh well in that case I was reading into something that wasn't there, my apologies.
The casters I've enjoyed the most so far have been Wolf (by quite a bit), and then Kelly I guess ... my problem with Kelly is that I find her hard to understand, most likely since english isn't my native language, I have problems understanding someone speaking it when they are fluent, and therefore speak fast, but have a very weird (to me) accent.
Moletrap I thought just didn't work very well with his partners, and he didn't understand well what was going on in the game. I guess he just haven't had as much experience with the game as with brood:war, but that really showed in his casting imho.
DoA was okayish, but kind of boring to me. Not sure how else to say it. He wasn't bad, and he suffered (imho) a bit from partnering with Moletrap it seemed.
I value game knowledge, understanding and recognize builds and what's going on in the game, more than being entertaining though, so that makes me biased in that direction.
I'd think both Khaldor and Adebisi ought to be given a shot, as I've found them entertaining in the past. I would also have liked HD if he wanted to, but I don't think he would.
On June 22 2011 18:21 TotalBiscuit wrote: As regards to the salary, well that's NDAed.
So in other words the crux of your entire argument is something you don't even have a figure for? Excellent job; I just love it when people make things up.
On June 22 2011 18:21 TotalBiscuit wrote: As regards to the salary, well that's NDAed.
So in other words the crux of your entire argument is something you don't even have a figure for? Excellent job; I just love it when people make things up.
The crux of the argument is that I have a figure I can't tell you.
On June 22 2011 18:21 TotalBiscuit wrote: As regards to the salary, well that's NDAed.
So in other words the crux of your entire argument is something you don't even have a figure for? Excellent job; I just love it when people make things up.
The crux of the argument is that I have a figure I can't tell you.
So basically, you agreed to an NDA about the salary with GOM but you then decided to start whining about how shitty said salary is for someone in your current position. Seriously?
I honestly see more whiney drivel from you in the community than actual content, and it's seriously off-putting. I don't know how else to say it so I'll just be blunt: grow the fuck up. You're an adult with a family and a public position in the community. Stop finding any excuse to complain or act like a victim. No other caster does it, no player does it, and it's just embarrassing.
On June 22 2011 18:21 TotalBiscuit wrote: As regards to the salary, well that's NDAed.
So in other words the crux of your entire argument is something you don't even have a figure for? Excellent job; I just love it when people make things up.
The crux of the argument is that I have a figure I can't tell you.
So basically, you agreed to an NDA about the salary with GOM but you then decided to start whining about how shitty said salary is for someone in your current position. Seriously?
I honestly see more whiney drivel from you in the community than actual content, and it's seriously off-putting. I don't know how else to say it so I'll just be blunt: grow the fuck up. You're an adult with a family and a public position in the community. Stop finding any excuse to complain or act like a victim. No other caster does it, no player does it, and it's just embarrassing.
I don't see how TB is "whining" about anything. All he did was point out that GOM's code A casters don't get paid enough to support a family man with financial obligations other than himself and that the position was best suited for bachelors. He hasn't criticized the opportunity or anybody who decides to take it. And there's nothing he said that's close to breaking an NDA agreement.
On a side note, I hope that Khaldor or Trump get the job. Is there a list of current candidates around somewhere? I'm really curious to find out who's actually on it :|
On June 22 2011 18:21 TotalBiscuit wrote: As regards to the salary, well that's NDAed.
So in other words the crux of your entire argument is something you don't even have a figure for? Excellent job; I just love it when people make things up.
The crux of the argument is that I have a figure I can't tell you.
So basically, you agreed to an NDA about the salary with GOM but you then decided to start whining about how shitty said salary is for someone in your current position. Seriously?
I honestly see more whiney drivel from you in the community than actual content, and it's seriously off-putting. I don't know how else to say it so I'll just be blunt: grow the fuck up. You're an adult with a family and a public position in the community. Stop finding any excuse to complain or act like a victim. No other caster does it, no player does it, and it's just embarrassing.
You're the one embarassing yourself here. All he did was explain why the job wasn't interesting to him after several people had brought up his name in this thread. I like that kind of inside info. If you don't, then don't read it and stop whining.
On June 22 2011 18:21 TotalBiscuit wrote: As regards to the salary, well that's NDAed.
So in other words the crux of your entire argument is something you don't even have a figure for? Excellent job; I just love it when people make things up.
The crux of the argument is that I have a figure I can't tell you.
So basically, you agreed to an NDA about the salary with GOM but you then decided to start whining about how shitty said salary is for someone in your current position. Seriously?
Agreed.
TotalBiscuit outright said "The pay sucks." If you aren't supposed to talk about it, then don't.
What intersted me most was the part about the pay.
To fly from Sweden to S.Korea costs about 700 Euro's. And considering GOM is doing trials it's highly likely you will fly back again for a similar cost. Not counting that you need get yourself lodging and food.
So the questions are:
How long will you be hired?` How much will you get payed?
If both are short term and minuscule anyone from EU or NA stands out to financially lose out on this "job". I don't see why anyone would go for such an expense unless they can easily afford it (which means you already have a good paying job, or a generous financeer). Additionally I don't know when you actually get paid so you could be paying for your lodging and food for a few weeks, adding to the cost. Let's say you are going to spend €1500-2000 on this endeavor. I don't know how salary is like in S. Korea, but I doubt it's anything like you get in EU. So the issue is, can you actually even monetarily afford this job? Can you actually make a profit? Which in my experience I've never really had to ask about a job. Sounds like a holiday where you stand the chance of having it get paid for you.
Personally I think it would be totally awesome to do this (when I read it I even had a day dream about it), seeing and living in Korea and casting games is a nerd's fantasy.
EDIT: Just checked Korean minimum wages (which what you will most likely get), you will get about 700,000 WON for a months work, maybe less, maybe more but not substantial less or more in any direction (even earning double the minimum wage barely covers the one way ticket cost). Sounds like a pretty terrible deal if you want to secure a financial future.
On June 23 2011 14:07 BeyondCtrL wrote: What intersted me most was the part about the pay.
To fly from Sweden to S.Korea costs about 700 Euro's. And considering GOM is doing trials it's highly likely you will fly back again for a similar cost. Not counting that you need get yourself lodging and food.
So the questions are:
How long will you be hired?` How much will you get payed?
If both are short term and minuscule anyone from EU or NA stands out to financially lose out on this "job". I don't see why anyone would go for such an expense unless they can easily afford it (which means you already have a good paying job, or a generous financeer). Additionally I don't know when you actually get paid so you could be paying for your lodging and food for a few weeks, adding to the cost. Let's say you are going to spend €1500-2000 on this endeavor. I don't know how salary is like in S. Korea, but I doubt it's anything like you get in EU. So the issue is, can you actually even monetarily afford this job? Can you actually make a profit? Which in my experience I've never really had to ask about a job. Sounds like a holiday where you stand the chance of having it get paid for you.
Personally I think it would be totally awesome to do this (when I read it I even had a day dream about it), seeing and living in Korea and casting games is a nerd's fantasy.
EDIT: Just checked Korean minimum wages (which what you will most likely get), you will get about 700,000 WON for a months work, maybe less, maybe more but not substantial less or more in any direction (even earning double the minimum wage barely covers the one way ticket cost). Sounds like a pretty terrible deal if you want to secure a financial future.
Casters wouldn't be casting for minimum. You get minimum working fast food places, not for commentating professional e-sports games to the entire globe.
On June 23 2011 14:07 BeyondCtrL wrote: What intersted me most was the part about the pay.
To fly from Sweden to S.Korea costs about 700 Euro's. And considering GOM is doing trials it's highly likely you will fly back again for a similar cost. Not counting that you need get yourself lodging and food.
So the questions are:
How long will you be hired?` How much will you get payed?
If both are short term and minuscule anyone from EU or NA stands out to financially lose out on this "job". I don't see why anyone would go for such an expense unless they can easily afford it (which means you already have a good paying job, or a generous financeer). Additionally I don't know when you actually get paid so you could be paying for your lodging and food for a few weeks, adding to the cost. Let's say you are going to spend €1500-2000 on this endeavor. I don't know how salary is like in S. Korea, but I doubt it's anything like you get in EU. So the issue is, can you actually even monetarily afford this job? Can you actually make a profit? Which in my experience I've never really had to ask about a job. Sounds like a holiday where you stand the chance of having it get paid for you.
Personally I think it would be totally awesome to do this (when I read it I even had a day dream about it), seeing and living in Korea and casting games is a nerd's fantasy.
EDIT: Just checked Korean minimum wages (which what you will most likely get), you will get about 700,000 WON for a months work, maybe less, maybe more but not substantial less or more in any direction (even earning double the minimum wage barely covers the one way ticket cost). Sounds like a pretty terrible deal if you want to secure a financial future.
Casters wouldn't be casting for minimum. You get minimum working fast food places, not for commentating professional e-sports games to the entire globe.
Well from what TB was saying it sure looks like it.
Back when they first started advertising it was made known by someone (dont remember who) that the pay was around 3.2 million won. That's just under 3k USD - i believe it was for the length of the contract, which for most people has been one season +- which is around a month or so.
That would cover the cost of air fair for two from the US and nothing else.
That's a big problem for GOM, the casting-job for CodeA is just so unattractive for any smart guy. Tastosis will have a lot of casting in the future, because I don't think they will find a replace for Wolf, after FXO is gone.
The last part is frankly absurd. To say an organization doesn't weigh popularity when choosing casters doesn't explain why Day[9] is at every major LAN or why MLG flew Tastosis across the world. Obviously the general popularity of a caster is a major factor in an event choosing who to hire.
That's not what I meant Chill, lemme rephrase. "Community opinion" for the most part, doesn't exist. The SC2 community for instance, is a completely nebulous beast. TL is a SC2 community, WP is a SC2 community, Reddit is an SC2 community, B.net is an SC2 community, then arguably there are communities surrounding individual YT casters, many of whom have their own websites which could be considered sub-communities of their overall viewerbase. Individual forums have their own SC2 megathreads that are in themselves, communities. So what it comes down to, is even if a large number of people in one of these groups express an opinion, it's still not only going to be a vocal minority of that individual community, but a VERY vocal minority of the entire community in general. There's no point in shouting that you don't want a particular caster as if it'll factor into the decision, the popularity of particular casters can be found out by other, more reliable means.
On another note, if they don't give Khaldor a shot it'd be an injustice. Talented play-by-play with Wolf's analysis would work well.
Okay that's 100% fair. I agree that the "people spamming on a message board" metric isn't exactly a strong one
The last part is frankly absurd. To say an organization doesn't weigh popularity when choosing casters doesn't explain why Day[9] is at every major LAN or why MLG flew Tastosis across the world. Obviously the general popularity of a caster is a major factor in an event choosing who to hire.
That's not what I meant Chill, lemme rephrase. "Community opinion" for the most part, doesn't exist. The SC2 community for instance, is a completely nebulous beast. TL is a SC2 community, WP is a SC2 community, Reddit is an SC2 community, B.net is an SC2 community, then arguably there are communities surrounding individual YT casters, many of whom have their own websites which could be considered sub-communities of their overall viewerbase. Individual forums have their own SC2 megathreads that are in themselves, communities. So what it comes down to, is even if a large number of people in one of these groups express an opinion, it's still not only going to be a vocal minority of that individual community, but a VERY vocal minority of the entire community in general. There's no point in shouting that you don't want a particular caster as if it'll factor into the decision, the popularity of particular casters can be found out by other, more reliable means.
On another note, if they don't give Khaldor a shot it'd be an injustice. Talented play-by-play with Wolf's analysis would work well.
Okay that's 100% fair. I agree that the "people spamming on a message board" metric isn't exactly a strong one
Chill should apply.
He said he was going to on TL attack or something, maybe one of DJWheats shows. He said just to see how they pay...
On June 24 2011 16:19 Hotshot_NA wrote: H to the Usky Husky! get over to korea!!
As much as Husky is good for catering to the casual audience, he should stay a miles away from casting competitive matches. There are better casters out there.
I wonder if Unstable will be offered the job, depending on how long he intends to stay in Korea.
EPT
maybe he could get me in hehe.
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