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On May 26 2011 10:33 wxwx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 09:29 Eleaven wrote:On May 26 2011 09:23 StarStruck wrote:
Kids? I'm an old timer man.
Best in the world? Losing your shot? No one said that. You are putting words in my mouth. Hell, at this stage no one is the best. -_-
When I speak, I speak from experience. Players under 18 have the most room for development. This isn't a baseless opinion. It's been proven. link to reputable study please? I'd genuinely be interested. Didn't realise all humans peaked in potential pre 18. Perhaps your confusing time commitment/responsibility with some sort of pre defined biological clock that says "hey your never gonna be good now" If you're correct tho.. then damn.. we as a species really need to rework the education system completely (well thats already true) but now for different reasons. anyway, gl CoL. nice initiative @Golgotha - Yeah we can all agree on that i think, a definite advantage to start young  You learn faster when you are younger, I don't think you need a reputable study for it. See how fast it takes kids to pick up a new language, a new instrument, etc. Don't know about peaking in potential but I'm pretty sure that's correct for athleticism/reflexes/etc.
what he said. Theres a reason pro teams in almost all major sports are scouting players who are very very young. I think Beckham was being trained by Man U. before he was even in his teens iirc. sc:bw teams pick up kids so young I dont even know hows its legal. Go look for a pic of baby from his first televised game. He looks younger than leenock ffs.
It's highly unlikely that the next "big thing" will be over 18.
*edit* unless it's EZmark 
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I'll be making a video for this with the hope that I somehow have the privilege of having a shot
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This is an awesome opportunity. I would apply, but I am nowhere near good enough to get considered (only 1250 masters on the ladder atm). Best of luck to everyone who applies!
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On May 26 2011 14:01 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 11:22 Ocedic wrote:On May 26 2011 11:09 Kammalleri wrote:On May 26 2011 10:56 Ocedic wrote:On May 26 2011 10:53 Kammalleri wrote:
There are quite a few... EG, Fnatic, ROOT all have NA players that can compete against anyone in the world.
It really sound like a stupid post no offense. You don't even name anyone, let alone post their accomplishments that prove the point. Fact is, Team Liquid's NA players and Idra are the only ones from NA who have PROVEN they can compete on the world level. Claiming otherwise without posting results is just blind fanboyism. You said anyone not on TL, now you add Idra, there's one. There's only one NA-non-TL player that played in GSL and it's TT1, he beat San who finished fourth in GSL, lost to MC and 3-1 to MKP tho, 2 of the 4 players with the best accomplishment in the world. Beside that I could bring you a bunch of stuff, but you'll then use the latency excuse so it's pretty much a waste of time to argue about it with you the sample just isn't big enough. We will see at MLG what happens then we can discuss it. It's the first offline tournament with enough NA player to evaluate the situation. I basically have no stats that shows NA players can compete with top koreans, but you don't have stats that shows they can't either. Anyway the thread is about Complexity academy not about NA vs Korea soit's my last post on the issue. Huh? You mean he won some matches in the world vs Korea tournament? You mean Bo1's? I said tournament RESULTS for a reason. Basically any tournament with world players so far, either a European or Korean has won, or one of the 3 I already mentioned (Huk, Nony, Idra.) Doesn't matter if it's online or offline; I think the latency argument is actually fairly dumb. So yeah, looks like you can point out some Bo1's or cherry pick some wins in NASL. Zero tournament victories or top finishes. And so my original point still stands, why would someone put themselves through so much trouble to not even be on a world class team? If you're good enough, why go through this 'training academy' instead of just... going to MLG, winning games, making a name and becoming a star on your own? Why go through the reality show stuff? What has Tyler done? He's like 49th in the NASL and his best achievement was getting in a top10 at MLG Dallas 2010 I believe. IdrA and HuK have achievements. Fenix -- 3rd at DH, 1st IEM NA, 5-2 record in NASL TT1 -- 2nd at MLG Dallas 2010, 8th MLG Raleigh, Top8 GSL World Championship ur info is really flawed.
Uhh Tyler placed 6th at DC, 4th at Dallas, 3rd in HDH. He's generally consistent, TT1 is more or less riding his Dallas result.
Neither are really tip top of NA though - I'd say that's Idra, HuK, Kiwi, and Select.
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damn, only for north americans, bummer 
gl to contestants tho.
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So i just make my video, and make an account on your website and post the video here: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/2766/#
???
and i don't have a webcam, so i figure whilst answering the questions (via my microphone) i will have my screen being streamed into the video to prove i am who i say i am on the ladder?
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On May 27 2011 05:43 Nate5911 wrote:
This is an awesome opportunity. I would apply, but I am nowhere near good enough to get considered (only 1250 masters on the ladder atm). Best of luck to everyone who applies!
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some people at that level or below have already applied... whats the hurt in applying?
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On May 27 2011 05:43 Nate5911 wrote:
This is an awesome opportunity. I would apply, but I am nowhere near good enough to get considered (only 1250 masters on the ladder atm). Best of luck to everyone who applies!
You only need to be in masters to apply, 1250 points in masters right now is enough to get considered.
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On May 27 2011 06:37 Cosmos wrote:
Why only NA ;'(
This is the first edition of the Academy and we're starting with some basic restrictions. Managing 10-20 players and their schedules is hard enough without the added confusion of the different time zones resulting in numerous scheduling conflicts.
Future editions will likely include EU as well.
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On May 27 2011 06:02 Oreo7 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 14:01 Xeris wrote:On May 26 2011 11:22 Ocedic wrote:On May 26 2011 11:09 Kammalleri wrote:On May 26 2011 10:56 Ocedic wrote:On May 26 2011 10:53 Kammalleri wrote:
There are quite a few... EG, Fnatic, ROOT all have NA players that can compete against anyone in the world.
It really sound like a stupid post no offense. You don't even name anyone, let alone post their accomplishments that prove the point. Fact is, Team Liquid's NA players and Idra are the only ones from NA who have PROVEN they can compete on the world level. Claiming otherwise without posting results is just blind fanboyism. You said anyone not on TL, now you add Idra, there's one. There's only one NA-non-TL player that played in GSL and it's TT1, he beat San who finished fourth in GSL, lost to MC and 3-1 to MKP tho, 2 of the 4 players with the best accomplishment in the world. Beside that I could bring you a bunch of stuff, but you'll then use the latency excuse so it's pretty much a waste of time to argue about it with you the sample just isn't big enough. We will see at MLG what happens then we can discuss it. It's the first offline tournament with enough NA player to evaluate the situation. I basically have no stats that shows NA players can compete with top koreans, but you don't have stats that shows they can't either. Anyway the thread is about Complexity academy not about NA vs Korea soit's my last post on the issue. Huh? You mean he won some matches in the world vs Korea tournament? You mean Bo1's? I said tournament RESULTS for a reason. Basically any tournament with world players so far, either a European or Korean has won, or one of the 3 I already mentioned (Huk, Nony, Idra.) Doesn't matter if it's online or offline; I think the latency argument is actually fairly dumb. So yeah, looks like you can point out some Bo1's or cherry pick some wins in NASL. Zero tournament victories or top finishes. And so my original point still stands, why would someone put themselves through so much trouble to not even be on a world class team? If you're good enough, why go through this 'training academy' instead of just... going to MLG, winning games, making a name and becoming a star on your own? Why go through the reality show stuff? What has Tyler done? He's like 49th in the NASL and his best achievement was getting in a top10 at MLG Dallas 2010 I believe. IdrA and HuK have achievements. Fenix -- 3rd at DH, 1st IEM NA, 5-2 record in NASL TT1 -- 2nd at MLG Dallas 2010, 8th MLG Raleigh, Top8 GSL World Championship ur info is really flawed. Uhh Tyler placed 6th at DC, 4th at Dallas, 3rd in HDH. He's generally consistent, TT1 is more or less riding his Dallas result. Neither are really tip top of NA though - I'd say that's Idra, HuK, Kiwi, and Select.
too much hate n drama, just be happy yo
y is everyone so serious nowadays =[
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can't hate, this is an excellent idea and I hope that this turns out as well as it sounds
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On May 26 2011 13:18 coLtwixz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 13:14 speezy wrote:On May 26 2011 12:43 FinestHour wrote:
Wait are applicants expected to be able to still attend classes and school and stuff while the academy is happening? This is my question also. Are the participants expected to maintain full time classes/jobs while they are in the program?? That seems like it would be very difficult. Joining the Academy shouldn't put things like going to class or jobs at risk. As long as you can balance the two everything should be fine, and if you get into the Academy I would recommend you continue everything else you have been doing up until now.
Do you play on coL's SC 2 team now twixz? Or still playing the dead esport that is WoW?
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On May 27 2011 07:06 iYiYi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 13:18 coLtwixz wrote:On May 26 2011 13:14 speezy wrote:On May 26 2011 12:43 FinestHour wrote:
Wait are applicants expected to be able to still attend classes and school and stuff while the academy is happening? This is my question also. Are the participants expected to maintain full time classes/jobs while they are in the program?? That seems like it would be very difficult. Joining the Academy shouldn't put things like going to class or jobs at risk. As long as you can balance the two everything should be fine, and if you get into the Academy I would recommend you continue everything else you have been doing up until now. Do you play on coL's SC 2 team now twixz? Or still playing the dead esport that is WoW?
Well since sc2 has launched I have been playing it some (I was 3300-3400 masters last season haven't had enough time to play this season), but I love to follow the game as it has been developing. As for WoW I would have to say I'm not as active with it as before obviously since leagues are no longer offering it, and most of the competitive community of the past has moved on.
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On May 27 2011 06:59 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 06:02 Oreo7 wrote:On May 26 2011 14:01 Xeris wrote:On May 26 2011 11:22 Ocedic wrote:On May 26 2011 11:09 Kammalleri wrote:On May 26 2011 10:56 Ocedic wrote:On May 26 2011 10:53 Kammalleri wrote:
There are quite a few... EG, Fnatic, ROOT all have NA players that can compete against anyone in the world.
It really sound like a stupid post no offense. You don't even name anyone, let alone post their accomplishments that prove the point. Fact is, Team Liquid's NA players and Idra are the only ones from NA who have PROVEN they can compete on the world level. Claiming otherwise without posting results is just blind fanboyism. You said anyone not on TL, now you add Idra, there's one. There's only one NA-non-TL player that played in GSL and it's TT1, he beat San who finished fourth in GSL, lost to MC and 3-1 to MKP tho, 2 of the 4 players with the best accomplishment in the world. Beside that I could bring you a bunch of stuff, but you'll then use the latency excuse so it's pretty much a waste of time to argue about it with you the sample just isn't big enough. We will see at MLG what happens then we can discuss it. It's the first offline tournament with enough NA player to evaluate the situation. I basically have no stats that shows NA players can compete with top koreans, but you don't have stats that shows they can't either. Anyway the thread is about Complexity academy not about NA vs Korea soit's my last post on the issue. Huh? You mean he won some matches in the world vs Korea tournament? You mean Bo1's? I said tournament RESULTS for a reason. Basically any tournament with world players so far, either a European or Korean has won, or one of the 3 I already mentioned (Huk, Nony, Idra.) Doesn't matter if it's online or offline; I think the latency argument is actually fairly dumb. So yeah, looks like you can point out some Bo1's or cherry pick some wins in NASL. Zero tournament victories or top finishes. And so my original point still stands, why would someone put themselves through so much trouble to not even be on a world class team? If you're good enough, why go through this 'training academy' instead of just... going to MLG, winning games, making a name and becoming a star on your own? Why go through the reality show stuff? What has Tyler done? He's like 49th in the NASL and his best achievement was getting in a top10 at MLG Dallas 2010 I believe. IdrA and HuK have achievements. Fenix -- 3rd at DH, 1st IEM NA, 5-2 record in NASL TT1 -- 2nd at MLG Dallas 2010, 8th MLG Raleigh, Top8 GSL World Championship ur info is really flawed. Uhh Tyler placed 6th at DC, 4th at Dallas, 3rd in HDH. He's generally consistent, TT1 is more or less riding his Dallas result. Neither are really tip top of NA though - I'd say that's Idra, HuK, Kiwi, and Select. too much hate n drama, just be happy yo y is everyone so serious nowadays =[
TT1 I <3 you, and that result is better than any one of teeler's but it is still really a stand alone result.
loved watching you play in the korea v world team games too
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On May 26 2011 08:53 Pokebunny wrote:So there's no talent under eighteen? Ouch. 
KABOOOOOM
Interesting idea, especially seeing coL running this.
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got really excited, then saw US only
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On May 27 2011 06:17 StephenS wrote:So i just make my video, and make an account on your website and post the video here: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/2766/#??? and i don't have a webcam, so i figure whilst answering the questions (via my microphone) i will have my screen being streamed into the video to prove i am who i say i am on the ladder?
It would be preferable if you could get in touch with a friend who might have one, or use a phone cam etc..But yes just make an account on the site if you do not already have one and post the link to the video along with the other things for the application.
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I hope this succeeds, it sounds like a very interesting event to see unfold.
The age argument always makes me snicker though. Starting younger at anything generally produces better results, due to simply having more time put into it. But come on, this is a video game. The physical demands are not that great. As long as you don't have arthritis or carpel tunnel you should be ok. And if you grew up playing video games theres no reason to think you couldn't get to a very high level.
I guess we'll see with this, with all these old fart 18 year olds ;-)
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On May 27 2011 08:56 Lokken wrote:
I hope this succeeds, it sounds like a very interesting event to see unfold.
The age argument always makes me snicker though. Starting younger at anything generally produces better results, due to simply having more time put into it. But come on, this is a video game. The physical demands are not that great. As long as you don't have arthritis or carpel tunnel you should be ok. And if you grew up playing video games theres no reason to think you couldn't get to a very high level.
I guess we'll see with this, with all these old fart 18 year olds ;-)
Consider that they would also be taking a risk though by sponsoring an under 18 player if they were to win the event. Since a person under 18 is still bound, in the US at least, by what their parents deem acceptable. So it's better to avoid that complication when making something like that though I do understand where you're coming from with it.
I think it's a good idea, somewhat similar to what Fnatic has but it sounds more open to the community so I hope it will go well.
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