compLexity Gaming launches a new StarCraft 2 academy aimed at recognizing and developing undiscovered talent
compLexity Gaming is happy to announce the launch of our newest StarCraft 2 initiative: The compLexity Academy (“CA”).
The compLexity Academy is a program that will feature 10 up and coming StarCraft 2 players as they develop their skills in an attempt to become true professional gamers. The members will compete for LAN travel, prizes and coveted pro contracts. They also will need to fight to maintain their status in the academy during Expulsion Tournaments.
For the role of Commissioner we have retained the services of Michael “Twixz” Shane, eSports leader and former compLexity.Black star. Mr. Shane will handle all facets of the academy.
1) To identify and support potential future stars of StarCraft 2 by providing them with the gear, training partners and travel opportunities needed to elevate them to professional status
2) To foster an environment necessary to ensure the continued growth and development of the professional StarCraft 2 eSports scene in North America
1) The compLexity Academy (“CA”) will be founded with 10 members Masters level and above.
2) Each applicant will create a (NASL type) YouTube blog answering a list of questions that will be submitted to CA. 20 will be chosen by Mr. Shane and his staff to compete in a double elimination best-of-3 bracket until the 10 founding members are determined.
3) Each CA member will execute a 9 month option contract with compLexity Gaming. If said option is exercised, the member will be given a full pro gamer contract and a new gaming computer from ORIGIN PC.
4) CA members will each receive a SoundBlaster headset and compLexity Mousepad
5) One month before each MLG LAN event, CA will hold a Qualifying Tournament from which the Top 2 players will be given airfare and hotel to the next MLG event. (In addition, the winning member of each Qualifying Tournament will receive a PNY video card.)
1) An internal ranking system will implemented. The initial ranking will be determined by a Ranking Tournament amongst the players. Every 3 months the bottom 4 players in CA will compete in our Expulsion Tournament with only the winner remaining in CA. The other 3 spots will be filled via an Open Recruitment Tournament (2 spots) and by an invite from Mr. Shane (1 spot).
2) If a player is given a professional contract, his spot will be filled during the next CA Open Recruitment Tournament.
3) Every two weeks a randomly seeded Ranking Tournament will be held to determine member ranks. The seedings for the Qualifying Tournaments will be based off this ranking.
All interested North American residents 18+ years old and Masters level+ are eligible to apply. (We may expand the academy to more regions later this year.) Here is how:
2) Submit the link to your video along with a link proving your SC2 ladder status HERE, either via Facebook commenting or your compLexity website account on or before June 8, 2011. (Save the video file you upload because the Top 20 will submit their videos for placement on the CA YouTube channel.)
Soon we will be releasing a dedicated CA website that will contain all academy news, updated member ranks, latest YouTube videos, and tournament schedules. Best of luck to all the applicants and thanks very much for everyone’s support!
just saw this on facebook so I had to post. Really great idea, I can definitely see this motivating some players. coL knows what they're doing for sure
gl guys~
EDIT: I didn't see the no under 18 stuff, I guess for legal issues it makes it easier for the contract etc, but a lot of new/rising skill is around 18 or even under, so it may be beneficial to think about shifting that rule a bit
sick announcement, just wondering though, is this in any way related to the already existing complexity team? are those players automatically in this program or are you able to join the team along with them after earning a pro contract through this program?
On May 26 2011 08:53 Fangzhou wrote: sick announcement, just wondering though, is this in any way related to the already existing complexity team? are those players automatically in this program or are you able to join the team along with them after earning a pro contract through this program?
The Academy is a separate program but members have the potential to be "called up" and signed to a professional contract.
Complexity Gaming is stabbing themselves in the foot. I hope you realize that the next big thing is most likely going to be well under 18 years of age. You should ask these players to get consent from their legal guardians. Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.
Keep in mind this is coming from a person who scouted a lot of upcoming BW players before they branched out.
On May 26 2011 08:58 StarStruck wrote: Complexity Gaming is stabbing themselves in the foot. I hope you realize that the next big thing is most likely going to be well under 18 years of age. You should ask these players to get consent from their legal guardians. Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.
Keep in mind this is coming from a person who scouted a lot of upcoming BW players before they branched out.
On May 26 2011 08:58 StarStruck wrote: Complexity Gaming is stabbing themselves in the foot. I hope you realize that the next big thing is most likely going to be well under 18 years of age. You should ask these players to get consent from their legal guardians. Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.
Keep in mind this is coming from a person who scouted a lot of upcoming BW players before they branched out.
I totally agree that there is a great deal of talent below 18. In the future we may adjust the policy and have guardians sign consent forms. For now it's just easier on many levels to have it 18+.
On May 26 2011 08:58 StarStruck wrote: Complexity Gaming is stabbing themselves in the foot. I hope you realize that the next big thing is most likely going to be well under 18 years of age. You should ask these players to get consent from their legal guardians. Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.
Keep in mind this is coming from a person who scouted a lot of upcoming BW players before they branched out.
Yes I totally agree.
Actually that's very true. You should be look for players around 14-16 who are good at games in general.
Wow sick news. Makes me want to grind the ladder really bad and get back to where I was two-three months ago and more.
It's awesome to see a team give people a chance to show what they got, just getting into CA is pretty huge and especially gives so much more motivation to train harder and get better once you're there.
On May 26 2011 08:58 StarStruck wrote: Complexity Gaming is stabbing themselves in the foot. I hope you realize that the next big thing is most likely going to be well under 18 years of age. You should ask these players to get consent from their legal guardians. Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.
Keep in mind this is coming from a person who scouted a lot of upcoming BW players before they branched out.
Yes I totally agree.
Then the parent gets pissed off over something and the player suddenly can't make commitments wasting everyone's time.
On May 26 2011 08:58 StarStruck wrote: Complexity Gaming is stabbing themselves in the foot. I hope you realize that the next big thing is most likely going to be well under 18 years of age. You should ask these players to get consent from their legal guardians. Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.
Keep in mind this is coming from a person who scouted a lot of upcoming BW players before they branched out.
Yes I totally agree.
Then the parent gets pissed off over something and the player suddenly can't make commitments wasting everyone's time.
Shrug. It's mostly a matter of communication. Have your parents talk to your team manager, understand the commitment involved, keep both parties informed, and once parents see it's a serious, honest business, they'll understand a bit as long as you don't slack too much in the rest of your life.
On May 26 2011 09:08 Niklai wrote: vVv has also an academy? is there any thread about it or other info (their site doesnt explain how to apply)?
Our academy team is a team that is made up of people inside vVv gaming, not for anyone who applies. This academy team sounds like anyone, who meets the requirements, can apply.
On May 26 2011 08:58 StarStruck wrote: Complexity Gaming is stabbing themselves in the foot. I hope you realize that the next big thing is most likely going to be well under 18 years of age. You should ask these players to get consent from their legal guardians. Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.
Keep in mind this is coming from a person who scouted a lot of upcoming BW players before they branched out.
Yes I totally agree.
Then the parent gets pissed off over something and the player suddenly can't make commitments wasting everyone's time.
Shrug. It's mostly a matter of communication. Have your parents talk to your team manager, understand the commitment involved, keep both parties informed, and once parents see it's a serious, honest business, they'll understand a bit as long as you don't slack too much in the rest of your life.
I am an 11yr old 850pt master league protoss player, I run a vlog show, and get great grades in school while playing a lot of sc2 and my parents support it, they would surely and gladly talk to Jason about it over skyper or w.e. I agree with you, Pokebunny and don't see any issue.
Niklai May 26 2011 09:08. Posts 93 PM Profile Quote # vVv has also an academy? is there any thread about it or other info (their site doesnt explain how to apply)?
On May 26 2011 08:58 StarStruck wrote: Complexity Gaming is stabbing themselves in the foot. I hope you realize that the next big thing is most likely going to be well under 18 years of age. You should ask these players to get consent from their legal guardians. Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.
Keep in mind this is coming from a person who scouted a lot of upcoming BW players before they branched out.
Yes I totally agree.
Then the parent gets pissed off over something and the player suddenly can't make commitments wasting everyone's time.
Shrug. It's mostly a matter of communication. Have your parents talk to your team manager, understand the commitment involved, keep both parties informed, and once parents see it's a serious, honest business, they'll understand a bit as long as you don't slack too much in the rest of your life.
I am an 11yr old 850pt master league protoss player, I run a vlog show, and get great grades in school while playing a lot of sc2 and my parents support it, they would surely and gladly talk to Jason about it over skyper or w.e. I agree with you, Pokebunny and don't see any issue.
Cool story.
Contracts are worthless if signed by minors, even with guardian consent.
On May 26 2011 08:58 StarStruck wrote: Complexity Gaming is stabbing themselves in the foot. I hope you realize that the next big thing is most likely going to be well under 18 years of age. You should ask these players to get consent from their legal guardians. Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.
Keep in mind this is coming from a person who scouted a lot of upcoming BW players before they branched out.
Yes I totally agree.
Then the parent gets pissed off over something and the player suddenly can't make commitments wasting everyone's time.
Shrug. It's mostly a matter of communication. Have your parents talk to your team manager, understand the commitment involved, keep both parties informed, and once parents see it's a serious, honest business, they'll understand a bit as long as you don't slack too much in the rest of your life.
It's hypothetical scenario but has happened before to pro teams.
On May 26 2011 09:13 StrangrDangr wrote: Wow sounds awesome, I'm definitely going to follow their progress. Will their be updates for the community in the form of videos and replays?
Edit: grammer
Yes, we're going to have a special sub-site made just for the academy. There will be lots of tourneys, coverage, videos, play-the-pros, 4v4 fun nights, etc. Michael Shane is going to keep the guys busy and get them plenty of coverage and exposure.
I have already said twice in the last 5 minutes that coL should let kids play in this thing, if they're parents can agree to it there is no problem at all, I am not trying to being annoying but I fight for what I believe and I have been trying to get into coL forever (I am that BaddyKid guy) and this is my best oppertunity.
On May 26 2011 09:14 Golgotha wrote: true about the age thing. 18 is actually very old. the true gosus are actually the kids that are playing at the age of 10
they will grow up with SC2 and hit a peak at 16.
btw will there be a house? if you are not even going to have a house for these players when you surely do not need to be 18...
lol.
Some of the most technically/mechanically sound musicians/fighters/racers are all over the age of 30. Why would pressing buttons on keyboard be much more demanding than say, John Petrucci playing glasgow kiss, mechanically speaking?.
also, what with 6 years of study, cant be improved upon with 16 years of study?
all of this "herp only 13 year olds can be good" thing is a bit silly and totally overplayed
Niklai May 26 2011 09:08. Posts 93 PM Profile Quote # vVv has also an academy? is there any thread about it or other info (their site doesnt explain how to apply)?
On May 26 2011 08:58 StarStruck wrote: Complexity Gaming is stabbing themselves in the foot. I hope you realize that the next big thing is most likely going to be well under 18 years of age. You should ask these players to get consent from their legal guardians. Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.
Keep in mind this is coming from a person who scouted a lot of upcoming BW players before they branched out.
Yes I totally agree.
Then the parent gets pissed off over something and the player suddenly can't make commitments wasting everyone's time.
Shrug. It's mostly a matter of communication. Have your parents talk to your team manager, understand the commitment involved, keep both parties informed, and once parents see it's a serious, honest business, they'll understand a bit as long as you don't slack too much in the rest of your life.
not all parents are logical and understanding of these sorts of things.
On May 26 2011 09:14 Golgotha wrote: true about the age thing. 18 is actually very old. the true gosus are actually the kids that are playing at the age of 10
they will grow up with SC2 and hit a peak at 16.
btw will there be a house? if you are not even going to have a house for these players when you surely do not need to be 18...
lol.
Some of the most technically/mechanically sound musicians/fighters/racers are all over the age of 30. Why would pressing buttons on keyboard be much more demanding than say, John Petrucci playing glasgow kiss, mechanically speaking?.
also, what with 6 years of study, cant be improved upon with 16 years of study?
all of this "herp only 13 year olds can be good" thing is a bit silly and totally overplayed
haha okay okay I was a bit overboard but I feel like they could miss out on some youngsters who have spent their entire childhood playing SC2. Coupled with their quick natural reflexes and experience as they grow up...they will revamp the pro scene just like little Flash, Baby, and Jaedong did. Gotta start young.
But I am not saying that older guys can be good. But the younger kids bring advantages.
On May 26 2011 08:58 StarStruck wrote: Complexity Gaming is stabbing themselves in the foot. I hope you realize that the next big thing is most likely going to be well under 18 years of age. You should ask these players to get consent from their legal guardians. Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.
Keep in mind this is coming from a person who scouted a lot of upcoming BW players before they branched out.
Yes I totally agree.
Then the parent gets pissed off over something and the player suddenly can't make commitments wasting everyone's time.
Shrug. It's mostly a matter of communication. Have your parents talk to your team manager, understand the commitment involved, keep both parties informed, and once parents see it's a serious, honest business, they'll understand a bit as long as you don't slack too much in the rest of your life.
not all parents are logical and understanding of these sorts of things.
Meh. I don't know, I feel like as long as you are in control of the rest of your life (school) and have proven that it is a real intellectual challenge and talent to them, only the most conservative of parents would just shut you down completely. I'm white though, maybe in Asian families it would be different? Shrug~
On May 26 2011 09:23 StarStruck wrote: Kids? I'm an old timer man.
Best in the world? Losing your shot? No one said that. You are putting words in my mouth. Hell, at this stage no one is the best. -_-
When I speak, I speak from experience. Players under 18 have the most room for development. This isn't a baseless opinion. It's been proven.
link to reputable study please? I'd genuinely be interested. Didn't realise all humans peaked in potential pre 18.
Perhaps your confusing time commitment/responsibility with some sort of pre defined biological clock that says "hey your never gonna be good now"
If you're correct tho.. then damn.. we as a species really need to rework the education system completely (well thats already true) but now for different reasons.
anyway, gl CoL. nice initiative
@Golgotha - Yeah we can all agree on that i think, a definite advantage to start young
You guys are responding like this contract is for life and compLexity has GOT to sign the newest talent so they will take their talents to coL for life - this is a great chance for rising up and coming players, and to be honest, dealing with parents and legal issues with potentially under 18 players might not be worth the effort for this first initiative.
Ed, no they even commented on the fact that they're starting it out this way. Which is fine. It still means they're going to stab themselves in the foot from the start. If you don't have legal aid to write a proper contract then it's totally understandable.
As for the other guy, I'm not going to go data mining for those papers and VODs. It doesn't apply to every facet of education, lmao. Don't have to over exaggerate. I oversimplified for a reason. Development can mean many things.
Anyway, Brood War was the main source of the material I'm talking about and if you look closer at the BW scene you will see how their system works and take notice of when players peak and start fading away. There have been several studies on players such as XellOs, Midas, NaDa and BoxeR to name a few. I think you will be surprised with regards to how much content they have and how many studies they've done on such players.
It is true the U.I. in SC2 is more friendly, but we've only scratched the surface and players like Nestea can rise above the competition regardless. Still, the fresher they are the better they will be.
On May 26 2011 09:41 outerspace02 wrote: this failed miserably in CS
wont work for sc2 either
Actually the CS tournament was a great success. The team that won fell apart, sadly. With SC2 being a 1v1 game this won't be an issue and we're confident the program will be successful. Sure there will be bumps in the road but we believe in the academy.
I was so excited about this until I saw the 18 year old requirement.. 17 yo's cant be good at sc too? I know there's (maybe) legal issues.. somehow.. but realistically i think it would be fine in this situation
you guys are forgetting theres also a possible issue of maturity level. Maybe they don't want kids because kids are generally immature and possible more BM. complexity is a very professional team so i wouldn't be surprised if that were their reasoning.
The Format sounds a bit like a reality show... maybe someone should document it and make a web series.. Ultimate Gamer (instead of ultimate fighter) or something :p Good idea though. I know everyone is saying a lot of good players are under 18, well yeah but for legal purposes etc it makes their life easier, it already sounds like they'll be doing a lot of work, without the added hassle of making sure everything is handled ok for a minor.
On May 26 2011 09:23 StarStruck wrote: Kids? I'm an old timer man.
Best in the world? Losing your shot? No one said that. You are putting words in my mouth. Hell, at this stage no one is the best. -_-
When I speak, I speak from experience. Players under 18 have the most room for development. This isn't a baseless opinion. It's been proven.
link to reputable study please? I'd genuinely be interested. Didn't realise all humans peaked in potential pre 18.
Perhaps your confusing time commitment/responsibility with some sort of pre defined biological clock that says "hey your never gonna be good now"
If you're correct tho.. then damn.. we as a species really need to rework the education system completely (well thats already true) but now for different reasons.
anyway, gl CoL. nice initiative
@Golgotha - Yeah we can all agree on that i think, a definite advantage to start young
You learn faster when you are younger, I don't think you need a reputable study for it. See how fast it takes kids to pick up a new language, a new instrument, etc. Don't know about peaking in potential but I'm pretty sure that's correct for athleticism/reflexes/etc.
Btw the expulsion tournament is a great idea, this is great reality-show fodder. They need to have like a token of some sort that is taken away when you get eliminated. GSL does this right with the CodeS crystal.
Does complexity (or any non-Team Liquid North Americans in general) have a single player that can compete on the global scale against players from Europe/Asia? And I mean with significant tournament/league results against international players.
If not, I don't see why the process for this is so strict. Sounds quite stressful just to be in the 'training academy' of a team that is not even top tier by world standards. Not intended to sound like a flame, it's just the truth as I see it.
Surprised no one else mentioned that Kids who are under 18 ie middle school/high school have less time to give to practice and playing. Sure you could be smart and do all your hw and still have plenty of time to practice but what about events? there are other restraints other then parents, namely time and as someone else pointed out maturity.
There are quite a few... EG, Fnatic, ROOT all have NA players that can compete against anyone in the world.
It really sound like a stupid post no offense.
i don't understand all the flaming toward the academy at all. If they want players over 18 and miss on great talent it's their problem really. There are reasons why you want older players beyond just contractual issues. You understand things at 20 that you don't necessarily understand at 15 and I don't mean to take a shot at younger people, it's just reality.
What Complexity are doing is great and people should appreciate it. They set standards are far as what they want their academy to look like it has it's good and bad sides, but every standards they'd set would have issues as well. I don't think Complexity only wants to find the next big thing, but mostly give people a shot at having a MLG pass, train with really good players and play Sc2 somewhat competitvely, it's much easier to train when you have something to work for then just laddering for "fun".
On May 26 2011 10:53 Kammalleri wrote: There are quite a few... EG, Fnatic, ROOT all have NA players that can compete against anyone in the world.
It really sound like a stupid post no offense.
You don't even name anyone, let alone post their accomplishments that prove the point. Fact is, Team Liquid's NA players and Idra are the only ones from NA who have PROVEN they can compete on the world level. Claiming otherwise without posting results is just blind fanboyism.
On May 26 2011 10:33 wxwx wrote:You learn faster when you are younger, I don't think you need a reputable study for it. See how fast it takes kids to pick up a new language, a new instrument, etc. Don't know about peaking in potential but I'm pretty sure that's correct for athleticism/reflexes/etc.
No, it's not. The athletic peak of males is 28 years old. Trying to characterize starcraft differently than far more physically demanding sports is absurd. This mythical peak of ~16 years old that people like to talk about in starcraft is not real.
On May 26 2011 10:53 Kammalleri wrote: There are quite a few... EG, Fnatic, ROOT all have NA players that can compete against anyone in the world.
It really sound like a stupid post no offense.
You don't even name anyone, let alone post their accomplishments that prove the point. Fact is, Team Liquid's NA players and Idra are the only ones from NA who have PROVEN they can compete on the world level. Claiming otherwise without posting results is just blind fanboyism.
You said anyone not on TL, now you add Idra, there's one. There's only one NA-non-TL player that played in GSL and it's TT1, he beat San who finished fourth in GSL, lost to MC and 3-1 to MKP tho, 2 of the 4 players with the best accomplishment in the world.
Beside that I could bring you a bunch of stuff, but you'll then use the latency excuse so it's pretty much a waste of time to argue about it with you the sample just isn't big enough. We will see at MLG what happens then we can discuss it.
It's the first offline tournament with enough NA player to evaluate the situation. I basically have no stats that shows NA players can compete with top koreans, but you don't have stats that shows they can't either.
Anyway the thread is about Complexity academy not about NA vs Korea soit's my last post on the issue.
On May 26 2011 09:41 outerspace02 wrote: this failed miserably in CS
wont work for sc2 either
Actually the CS tournament was a great success. The team that won fell apart, sadly. With SC2 being a 1v1 game this won't be an issue and we're confident the program will be successful. Sure there will be bumps in the road but we believe in the academy.
lol... coL was fun to watch when you cared about it
kinda a mess now. like when dolven left pandemic :/
edit: after thinking about this a moment this isnt a good comparison. both teams became a shell of their former selves when they lost their central pillar though, maybe that is a better thing to say
On May 26 2011 10:53 Kammalleri wrote: There are quite a few... EG, Fnatic, ROOT all have NA players that can compete against anyone in the world.
It really sound like a stupid post no offense.
You don't even name anyone, let alone post their accomplishments that prove the point. Fact is, Team Liquid's NA players and Idra are the only ones from NA who have PROVEN they can compete on the world level. Claiming otherwise without posting results is just blind fanboyism.
You said anyone not on TL, now you add Idra, there's one. There's only one NA-non-TL player that played in GSL and it's TT1, he beat San who finished fourth in GSL, lost to MC and 3-1 to MKP tho, 2 of the 4 players with the best accomplishment in the world.
Beside that I could bring you a bunch of stuff, but you'll then use the latency excuse so it's pretty much a waste of time to argue about it with you the sample just isn't big enough. We will see at MLG what happens then we can discuss it.
It's the first offline tournament with enough NA player to evaluate the situation. I basically have no stats that shows NA players can compete with top koreans, but you don't have stats that shows they can't either.
Anyway the thread is about Complexity academy not about NA vs Korea soit's my last post on the issue.
Huh? You mean he won some matches in the world vs Korea tournament? You mean Bo1's? I said tournament RESULTS for a reason. Basically any tournament with world players so far, either a European or Korean has won, or one of the 3 I already mentioned (Huk, Nony, Idra.) Doesn't matter if it's online or offline; I think the latency argument is actually fairly dumb. So yeah, looks like you can point out some Bo1's or cherry pick some wins in NASL. Zero tournament victories or top finishes.
And so my original point still stands, why would someone put themselves through so much trouble to not even be on a world class team? If you're good enough, why go through this 'training academy' instead of just... going to MLG, winning games, making a name and becoming a star on your own? Why go through the reality show stuff?
On May 26 2011 10:34 Noxie wrote: I like the name ... I made up the name "Academy" for vVv's B team Glad to see it catching on! MWHAHAHA
Best of luck! Maybe an Academy CW soon?
God your such a douche, i wish Jerry would put down MMORPG's for 5 minutes so he could realize what an egotistical schmuck you've let being a 'team manager' turn you into... tho to be fair i didn't ever meet you before you found a way to shove your whole head up your ass so perhaps you've always been like this.
And so my original point still stands, why would someone put themselves through so much trouble to not even be on a world class team? If you're good enough, why go through this 'training academy' instead of just... going to MLG, winning games, making a name and becoming a star on your own? Why go through the reality show stuff?
Well maybe because being on a team that has a bit of exposure and experience with raising talented players is better than having no team at all. For example, no-one heard of cruncher before TSL, but he made quite a run for himself, regardless of whether you like his persona or not. Also, just going to mlg and expecting to win isnt enough, when you have people that put in hours of effort like Mr Bitter crashing out in the open bracket it doesnt bode well for other people who didnt have the option of the first-class coaching that he had in the '12 weeks with the pros' series. Even Catz and Destiny, who are very skilled players on a big NA team like ROOT crashed out in the first round of Dallas. Just saying that someone should just start 'winning games' isnt enough. If it was me in the position of people thinking of applying, i would still choose being on a team, 'world-class' or not, just because they know how to take in players and coach them.
Wow complexity really has some money to support their players. They are a great team, arguably the best NA team as well. Goodluck to everyone that takes part in the event!
actually sounds pretty good, id really consider it if i wasnt just some awful low masters player heh. GL to everyone that applies. Also that's really not nice rebelmusic, what has noxie done that would warrent that being said about him?
Wait, so these players are going to be taught by Complexity? I don't think all-inning and abusing game mechanic flaws is going to make them any better.
On May 26 2011 10:34 Noxie wrote: I like the name ... I made up the name "Academy" for vVv's B team Glad to see it catching on! MWHAHAHA
Best of luck! Maybe an Academy CW soon?
God your such a douche, i wish Jerry would put down MMORPG's for 5 minutes so he could realize what an egotistical schmuck you've let being a 'team manager' turn you into... tho to be fair i didn't ever meet you before you found a way to shove your whole head up your ass so perhaps you've always been like this.
TBH, most "new fresh talent" would be under 18. IMO, you should have a "show like 10 replays of you playing well" for under 18, and must have parent/guardian signature
On May 26 2011 10:34 Noxie wrote: I like the name ... I made up the name "Academy" for vVv's B team Glad to see it catching on! MWHAHAHA
Best of luck! Maybe an Academy CW soon?
God your such a douche, i wish Jerry would put down MMORPG's for 5 minutes so he could realize what an egotistical schmuck you've let being a 'team manager' turn you into... tho to be fair i didn't ever meet you before you found a way to shove your whole head up your ass so perhaps you've always been like this.
On May 26 2011 12:06 elitesniper420 wrote: Wait, so these players are going to be taught by Complexity?
The players will not be taught by the players complexity has right now. The academy players will be training and learning with one another. Academy players will be doing stuff and interacting with the other complexity players, but they aren't applying to be coached.
On May 26 2011 12:06 elitesniper420 wrote: Wait, so these players are going to be taught by Complexity?
The players will not be taught by the players complexity has right now. The academy players will be training and learning with one another. Academy players will be doing stuff and interacting with the other complexity players, but they aren't applying to be coached.
Ah, the team is trying to get a fresh start with its lineup, I see.
On May 26 2011 12:06 elitesniper420 wrote: Wait, so these players are going to be taught by Complexity?
The players will not be taught by the players complexity has right now. The academy players will be training and learning with one another. Academy players will be doing stuff and interacting with the other complexity players, but they aren't applying to be coached.
Ah, the team is trying to get a fresh start with its lineup, I see.
This is more of an opportunity for players to get together in a competitive atmosphere with all the tools needed to succeed, and be given a chance to use those tools to become the best they possibly can.
On May 26 2011 12:43 FinestHour wrote: Wait are applicants expected to be able to still attend classes and school and stuff while the academy is happening?
This is my question also. Are the participants expected to maintain full time classes/jobs while they are in the program?? That seems like it would be very difficult.
On May 26 2011 12:43 FinestHour wrote: Wait are applicants expected to be able to still attend classes and school and stuff while the academy is happening?
This is my question also. Are the participants expected to maintain full time classes/jobs while they are in the program?? That seems like it would be very difficult.
Joining the Academy shouldn't put things like going to class or jobs at risk. As long as you can balance the two everything should be fine, and if you get into the Academy I would recommend you continue everything else you have been doing up until now.
On May 26 2011 10:34 Noxie wrote: I like the name ... I made up the name "Academy" for vVv's B team Glad to see it catching on! MWHAHAHA
Best of luck! Maybe an Academy CW soon?
God your such a douche, i wish Jerry would put down MMORPG's for 5 minutes so he could realize what an egotistical schmuck you've let being a 'team manager' turn you into... tho to be fair i didn't ever meet you before you found a way to shove your whole head up your ass so perhaps you've always been like this.
lol how you got douche out of that blows my mind. ^_^
On May 26 2011 10:53 Kammalleri wrote: There are quite a few... EG, Fnatic, ROOT all have NA players that can compete against anyone in the world.
It really sound like a stupid post no offense.
You don't even name anyone, let alone post their accomplishments that prove the point. Fact is, Team Liquid's NA players and Idra are the only ones from NA who have PROVEN they can compete on the world level. Claiming otherwise without posting results is just blind fanboyism.
You said anyone not on TL, now you add Idra, there's one. There's only one NA-non-TL player that played in GSL and it's TT1, he beat San who finished fourth in GSL, lost to MC and 3-1 to MKP tho, 2 of the 4 players with the best accomplishment in the world.
Beside that I could bring you a bunch of stuff, but you'll then use the latency excuse so it's pretty much a waste of time to argue about it with you the sample just isn't big enough. We will see at MLG what happens then we can discuss it.
It's the first offline tournament with enough NA player to evaluate the situation. I basically have no stats that shows NA players can compete with top koreans, but you don't have stats that shows they can't either.
Anyway the thread is about Complexity academy not about NA vs Korea soit's my last post on the issue.
Huh? You mean he won some matches in the world vs Korea tournament? You mean Bo1's? I said tournament RESULTS for a reason. Basically any tournament with world players so far, either a European or Korean has won, or one of the 3 I already mentioned (Huk, Nony, Idra.) Doesn't matter if it's online or offline; I think the latency argument is actually fairly dumb. So yeah, looks like you can point out some Bo1's or cherry pick some wins in NASL. Zero tournament victories or top finishes.
And so my original point still stands, why would someone put themselves through so much trouble to not even be on a world class team? If you're good enough, why go through this 'training academy' instead of just... going to MLG, winning games, making a name and becoming a star on your own? Why go through the reality show stuff?
What has Tyler done? He's like 49th in the NASL and his best achievement was getting in a top10 at MLG Dallas 2010 I believe. IdrA and HuK have achievements.
Fenix -- 3rd at DH, 1st IEM NA, 5-2 record in NASL TT1 -- 2nd at MLG Dallas 2010, 8th MLG Raleigh, Top8 GSL World Championship
Looking at players under 18 is too risky, they have no means to continue a true pro-gaming career, no income, and the likely hood that their parents would be ok with them ditching their academic career to be a pro gamer... seriously.
On May 26 2011 10:53 Kammalleri wrote: There are quite a few... EG, Fnatic, ROOT all have NA players that can compete against anyone in the world.
It really sound like a stupid post no offense.
You don't even name anyone, let alone post their accomplishments that prove the point. Fact is, Team Liquid's NA players and Idra are the only ones from NA who have PROVEN they can compete on the world level. Claiming otherwise without posting results is just blind fanboyism.
You said anyone not on TL, now you add Idra, there's one. There's only one NA-non-TL player that played in GSL and it's TT1, he beat San who finished fourth in GSL, lost to MC and 3-1 to MKP tho, 2 of the 4 players with the best accomplishment in the world.
Beside that I could bring you a bunch of stuff, but you'll then use the latency excuse so it's pretty much a waste of time to argue about it with you the sample just isn't big enough. We will see at MLG what happens then we can discuss it.
It's the first offline tournament with enough NA player to evaluate the situation. I basically have no stats that shows NA players can compete with top koreans, but you don't have stats that shows they can't either.
Anyway the thread is about Complexity academy not about NA vs Korea soit's my last post on the issue.
Huh? You mean he won some matches in the world vs Korea tournament? You mean Bo1's? I said tournament RESULTS for a reason. Basically any tournament with world players so far, either a European or Korean has won, or one of the 3 I already mentioned (Huk, Nony, Idra.) Doesn't matter if it's online or offline; I think the latency argument is actually fairly dumb. So yeah, looks like you can point out some Bo1's or cherry pick some wins in NASL. Zero tournament victories or top finishes.
And so my original point still stands, why would someone put themselves through so much trouble to not even be on a world class team? If you're good enough, why go through this 'training academy' instead of just... going to MLG, winning games, making a name and becoming a star on your own? Why go through the reality show stuff?
What has Tyler done? He's like 49th in the NASL and his best achievement was getting in a top10 at MLG Dallas 2010 I believe. IdrA and HuK have achievements.
Fenix -- 3rd at DH, 1st IEM NA, 5-2 record in NASL TT1 -- 2nd at MLG Dallas 2010, 8th MLG Raleigh, Top8 GSL World Championship
GSL World Champ was out of 16, so top 8 just means he won 1 round. Zero foreigners in the top 4.
I'm done derailing this thread about an unrelated matter. Truth be told whether I'm right or wrong, it doesn't matter. I hope complexity finds some undiscovered talent and raises the skill level of North American SC2.
Ya seriously 18+ what is this I want to compete in this but that screws me over seriously consider have it where under 18 just need parental consent since you looking for talent you should be looking at all ages.
they can't open it up to under 18 on the off chance they find some gosu 14 year old who lies and says he's 16 and then he wins the tournament and then when he's like hey mom I'm going to go to mlg next week and she says no they don't look like idiots
Lol I'd join but I haven't taken the time to learn SC2 yet after only switching over a couple of weeks ago, got no contacts to go to for up to date information anymore. Platinum lyf
To be fair, as soon as I saw the word the Academy I instantly thought of vVv's second developmental squad. I mean honestly its whatever, the same month xi started a showcase series 2 other teams started one. There's so much stuff going on in the scene these days its impossible not to duplicate. I think this is a really great thing because it looks like it will be professionally done.
On May 26 2011 08:58 StarStruck wrote: Complexity Gaming is stabbing themselves in the foot. I hope you realize that the next big thing is most likely going to be well under 18 years of age. You should ask these players to get consent from their legal guardians. Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.
Keep in mind this is coming from a person who scouted a lot of upcoming BW players before they branched out.
Yes I totally agree.
Then the parent gets pissed off over something and the player suddenly can't make commitments wasting everyone's time.
Shrug. It's mostly a matter of communication. Have your parents talk to your team manager, understand the commitment involved, keep both parties informed, and once parents see it's a serious, honest business, they'll understand a bit as long as you don't slack too much in the rest of your life.
I am an 11yr old 850pt master league protoss player, I run a vlog show, and get great grades in school while playing a lot of sc2 and my parents support it, they would surely and gladly talk to Jason about it over skyper or w.e. I agree with you, Pokebunny and don't see any issue.
That is sick. When I was 11, I could barely beat the computer in brood war. Wow. man... you'll be one of those gosu pro's by the time you turn 16. You should really think about getting into a pro house if your parents allow it and if you think pro graming is what you want to do with your life. You're really good at a really young age.
On May 26 2011 14:18 Sworn wrote: Ya seriously 18+ what is this I want to compete in this but that screws me over seriously consider have it where under 18 just need parental consent since you looking for talent you should be looking at all ages.
We completely agree with the fact that there is tons of talent at the under 18 level, however you have to look at it from our perspective. Academy players will be competing for chances at a professional contract as well as paid travel to events such as MLG. To put it as simply as possible, someone under 18 (and unfortunately even some 18+) can not handle traveling and being responsible for themselves, much less representing an organization at the same time. You also have to think about academics. It is highly unlikely that the parents of these younger players would be 100% ok with their child missing school to travel.
Amazing idea, good on you compLexity. Such a fantastic idea and would love to see more of this type of stuff out there. Seems like a great breeding ground for those people who are on the bubble on being just "good" and "really good."
wow after reading that alot of hate for the 18+ rule... I plaed counter strike competitivly back in the 1.6 days in a premiere / invite team we never even considered people under 18 for recruitment for various reasons... contractual has been mentioned but there are several other reasons.
- an endeavour like this will require a great deal of communication between the members of the academy since they are training together and we all know that dealing with younger kids when a high level of communication is needed isnt easy. ( obviously not all younger kids but the majority of them )
- my favourite is bed time... doesn't matter if you mom signed the contract for you... if you are 14 15 or 16 your mom isnt letting you sit on the computer till 1 am when you have school ay 7 am
- my sisters on the computer or your grounded ? seriously the amount of problems we had with young kids was outstanding and endless...
The only thing this thread has proven age doesn't play a factor in is knowing the difference between 'your' and 'you're' as well as 'their', 'they're' and 'there'.
On May 26 2011 09:23 StarStruck wrote: Kids? I'm an old timer man.
Best in the world? Losing your shot? No one said that. You are putting words in my mouth. Hell, at this stage no one is the best. -_-
When I speak, I speak from experience. Players under 18 have the most room for development. This isn't a baseless opinion. It's been proven.
link to reputable study please? I'd genuinely be interested. Didn't realise all humans peaked in potential pre 18.
Perhaps your confusing time commitment/responsibility with some sort of pre defined biological clock that says "hey your never gonna be good now"
If you're correct tho.. then damn.. we as a species really need to rework the education system completely (well thats already true) but now for different reasons.
anyway, gl CoL. nice initiative
@Golgotha - Yeah we can all agree on that i think, a definite advantage to start young
You learn faster when you are younger, I don't think you need a reputable study for it. See how fast it takes kids to pick up a new language, a new instrument, etc. Don't know about peaking in potential but I'm pretty sure that's correct for athleticism/reflexes/etc.
what he said. Theres a reason pro teams in almost all major sports are scouting players who are very very young. I think Beckham was being trained by Man U. before he was even in his teens iirc. sc:bw teams pick up kids so young I dont even know hows its legal. Go look for a pic of baby from his first televised game. He looks younger than leenock ffs.
It's highly unlikely that the next "big thing" will be over 18.
This is an awesome opportunity. I would apply, but I am nowhere near good enough to get considered (only 1250 masters on the ladder atm). Best of luck to everyone who applies!
On May 26 2011 10:53 Kammalleri wrote: There are quite a few... EG, Fnatic, ROOT all have NA players that can compete against anyone in the world.
It really sound like a stupid post no offense.
You don't even name anyone, let alone post their accomplishments that prove the point. Fact is, Team Liquid's NA players and Idra are the only ones from NA who have PROVEN they can compete on the world level. Claiming otherwise without posting results is just blind fanboyism.
You said anyone not on TL, now you add Idra, there's one. There's only one NA-non-TL player that played in GSL and it's TT1, he beat San who finished fourth in GSL, lost to MC and 3-1 to MKP tho, 2 of the 4 players with the best accomplishment in the world.
Beside that I could bring you a bunch of stuff, but you'll then use the latency excuse so it's pretty much a waste of time to argue about it with you the sample just isn't big enough. We will see at MLG what happens then we can discuss it.
It's the first offline tournament with enough NA player to evaluate the situation. I basically have no stats that shows NA players can compete with top koreans, but you don't have stats that shows they can't either.
Anyway the thread is about Complexity academy not about NA vs Korea soit's my last post on the issue.
Huh? You mean he won some matches in the world vs Korea tournament? You mean Bo1's? I said tournament RESULTS for a reason. Basically any tournament with world players so far, either a European or Korean has won, or one of the 3 I already mentioned (Huk, Nony, Idra.) Doesn't matter if it's online or offline; I think the latency argument is actually fairly dumb. So yeah, looks like you can point out some Bo1's or cherry pick some wins in NASL. Zero tournament victories or top finishes.
And so my original point still stands, why would someone put themselves through so much trouble to not even be on a world class team? If you're good enough, why go through this 'training academy' instead of just... going to MLG, winning games, making a name and becoming a star on your own? Why go through the reality show stuff?
What has Tyler done? He's like 49th in the NASL and his best achievement was getting in a top10 at MLG Dallas 2010 I believe. IdrA and HuK have achievements.
Fenix -- 3rd at DH, 1st IEM NA, 5-2 record in NASL TT1 -- 2nd at MLG Dallas 2010, 8th MLG Raleigh, Top8 GSL World Championship
ur info is really flawed.
Uhh Tyler placed 6th at DC, 4th at Dallas, 3rd in HDH. He's generally consistent, TT1 is more or less riding his Dallas result.
Neither are really tip top of NA though - I'd say that's Idra, HuK, Kiwi, and Select.
and i don't have a webcam, so i figure whilst answering the questions (via my microphone) i will have my screen being streamed into the video to prove i am who i say i am on the ladder?
On May 27 2011 05:43 Nate5911 wrote: This is an awesome opportunity. I would apply, but I am nowhere near good enough to get considered (only 1250 masters on the ladder atm). Best of luck to everyone who applies!
\ some people at that level or below have already applied... whats the hurt in applying?
On May 27 2011 05:43 Nate5911 wrote: This is an awesome opportunity. I would apply, but I am nowhere near good enough to get considered (only 1250 masters on the ladder atm). Best of luck to everyone who applies!
You only need to be in masters to apply, 1250 points in masters right now is enough to get considered.
On May 27 2011 06:37 Cosmos wrote: Why only NA ;'(
This is the first edition of the Academy and we're starting with some basic restrictions. Managing 10-20 players and their schedules is hard enough without the added confusion of the different time zones resulting in numerous scheduling conflicts.
On May 26 2011 10:53 Kammalleri wrote: There are quite a few... EG, Fnatic, ROOT all have NA players that can compete against anyone in the world.
It really sound like a stupid post no offense.
You don't even name anyone, let alone post their accomplishments that prove the point. Fact is, Team Liquid's NA players and Idra are the only ones from NA who have PROVEN they can compete on the world level. Claiming otherwise without posting results is just blind fanboyism.
You said anyone not on TL, now you add Idra, there's one. There's only one NA-non-TL player that played in GSL and it's TT1, he beat San who finished fourth in GSL, lost to MC and 3-1 to MKP tho, 2 of the 4 players with the best accomplishment in the world.
Beside that I could bring you a bunch of stuff, but you'll then use the latency excuse so it's pretty much a waste of time to argue about it with you the sample just isn't big enough. We will see at MLG what happens then we can discuss it.
It's the first offline tournament with enough NA player to evaluate the situation. I basically have no stats that shows NA players can compete with top koreans, but you don't have stats that shows they can't either.
Anyway the thread is about Complexity academy not about NA vs Korea soit's my last post on the issue.
Huh? You mean he won some matches in the world vs Korea tournament? You mean Bo1's? I said tournament RESULTS for a reason. Basically any tournament with world players so far, either a European or Korean has won, or one of the 3 I already mentioned (Huk, Nony, Idra.) Doesn't matter if it's online or offline; I think the latency argument is actually fairly dumb. So yeah, looks like you can point out some Bo1's or cherry pick some wins in NASL. Zero tournament victories or top finishes.
And so my original point still stands, why would someone put themselves through so much trouble to not even be on a world class team? If you're good enough, why go through this 'training academy' instead of just... going to MLG, winning games, making a name and becoming a star on your own? Why go through the reality show stuff?
What has Tyler done? He's like 49th in the NASL and his best achievement was getting in a top10 at MLG Dallas 2010 I believe. IdrA and HuK have achievements.
Fenix -- 3rd at DH, 1st IEM NA, 5-2 record in NASL TT1 -- 2nd at MLG Dallas 2010, 8th MLG Raleigh, Top8 GSL World Championship
ur info is really flawed.
Uhh Tyler placed 6th at DC, 4th at Dallas, 3rd in HDH. He's generally consistent, TT1 is more or less riding his Dallas result.
Neither are really tip top of NA though - I'd say that's Idra, HuK, Kiwi, and Select.
too much hate n drama, just be happy yo y is everyone so serious nowadays =[
On May 26 2011 12:43 FinestHour wrote: Wait are applicants expected to be able to still attend classes and school and stuff while the academy is happening?
This is my question also. Are the participants expected to maintain full time classes/jobs while they are in the program?? That seems like it would be very difficult.
Joining the Academy shouldn't put things like going to class or jobs at risk. As long as you can balance the two everything should be fine, and if you get into the Academy I would recommend you continue everything else you have been doing up until now.
Do you play on coL's SC 2 team now twixz? Or still playing the dead esport that is WoW?
On May 26 2011 12:43 FinestHour wrote: Wait are applicants expected to be able to still attend classes and school and stuff while the academy is happening?
This is my question also. Are the participants expected to maintain full time classes/jobs while they are in the program?? That seems like it would be very difficult.
Joining the Academy shouldn't put things like going to class or jobs at risk. As long as you can balance the two everything should be fine, and if you get into the Academy I would recommend you continue everything else you have been doing up until now.
Do you play on coL's SC 2 team now twixz? Or still playing the dead esport that is WoW?
Well since sc2 has launched I have been playing it some (I was 3300-3400 masters last season haven't had enough time to play this season), but I love to follow the game as it has been developing. As for WoW I would have to say I'm not as active with it as before obviously since leagues are no longer offering it, and most of the competitive community of the past has moved on.
On May 26 2011 10:53 Kammalleri wrote: There are quite a few... EG, Fnatic, ROOT all have NA players that can compete against anyone in the world.
It really sound like a stupid post no offense.
You don't even name anyone, let alone post their accomplishments that prove the point. Fact is, Team Liquid's NA players and Idra are the only ones from NA who have PROVEN they can compete on the world level. Claiming otherwise without posting results is just blind fanboyism.
You said anyone not on TL, now you add Idra, there's one. There's only one NA-non-TL player that played in GSL and it's TT1, he beat San who finished fourth in GSL, lost to MC and 3-1 to MKP tho, 2 of the 4 players with the best accomplishment in the world.
Beside that I could bring you a bunch of stuff, but you'll then use the latency excuse so it's pretty much a waste of time to argue about it with you the sample just isn't big enough. We will see at MLG what happens then we can discuss it.
It's the first offline tournament with enough NA player to evaluate the situation. I basically have no stats that shows NA players can compete with top koreans, but you don't have stats that shows they can't either.
Anyway the thread is about Complexity academy not about NA vs Korea soit's my last post on the issue.
Huh? You mean he won some matches in the world vs Korea tournament? You mean Bo1's? I said tournament RESULTS for a reason. Basically any tournament with world players so far, either a European or Korean has won, or one of the 3 I already mentioned (Huk, Nony, Idra.) Doesn't matter if it's online or offline; I think the latency argument is actually fairly dumb. So yeah, looks like you can point out some Bo1's or cherry pick some wins in NASL. Zero tournament victories or top finishes.
And so my original point still stands, why would someone put themselves through so much trouble to not even be on a world class team? If you're good enough, why go through this 'training academy' instead of just... going to MLG, winning games, making a name and becoming a star on your own? Why go through the reality show stuff?
What has Tyler done? He's like 49th in the NASL and his best achievement was getting in a top10 at MLG Dallas 2010 I believe. IdrA and HuK have achievements.
Fenix -- 3rd at DH, 1st IEM NA, 5-2 record in NASL TT1 -- 2nd at MLG Dallas 2010, 8th MLG Raleigh, Top8 GSL World Championship
ur info is really flawed.
Uhh Tyler placed 6th at DC, 4th at Dallas, 3rd in HDH. He's generally consistent, TT1 is more or less riding his Dallas result.
Neither are really tip top of NA though - I'd say that's Idra, HuK, Kiwi, and Select.
too much hate n drama, just be happy yo y is everyone so serious nowadays =[
TT1 I <3 you, and that result is better than any one of teeler's but it is still really a stand alone result.
loved watching you play in the korea v world team games too
and i don't have a webcam, so i figure whilst answering the questions (via my microphone) i will have my screen being streamed into the video to prove i am who i say i am on the ladder?
It would be preferable if you could get in touch with a friend who might have one, or use a phone cam etc..But yes just make an account on the site if you do not already have one and post the link to the video along with the other things for the application.
I hope this succeeds, it sounds like a very interesting event to see unfold.
The age argument always makes me snicker though. Starting younger at anything generally produces better results, due to simply having more time put into it. But come on, this is a video game. The physical demands are not that great. As long as you don't have arthritis or carpel tunnel you should be ok. And if you grew up playing video games theres no reason to think you couldn't get to a very high level.
I guess we'll see with this, with all these old fart 18 year olds ;-)
On May 27 2011 08:56 Lokken wrote: I hope this succeeds, it sounds like a very interesting event to see unfold.
The age argument always makes me snicker though. Starting younger at anything generally produces better results, due to simply having more time put into it. But come on, this is a video game. The physical demands are not that great. As long as you don't have arthritis or carpel tunnel you should be ok. And if you grew up playing video games theres no reason to think you couldn't get to a very high level.
I guess we'll see with this, with all these old fart 18 year olds ;-)
Consider that they would also be taking a risk though by sponsoring an under 18 player if they were to win the event. Since a person under 18 is still bound, in the US at least, by what their parents deem acceptable. So it's better to avoid that complication when making something like that though I do understand where you're coming from with it.
I think it's a good idea, somewhat similar to what Fnatic has but it sounds more open to the community so I hope it will go well.
people who are complaining about 18 over thing heres why it HAS to implemented 1) when under 18 you are most likely under high influence from parents how much you play 2) you have to worry about silly things like high school(you can get away with alot in university) 3) i dont believe most under 18 year olds can make this type of commitment(or should, you shouldnt ruin your chance @ a good university for a video game(SC1 is a different story so dont bother arguing that) 4)once 18 you are not bound by parents pretty much, if you a transffered to a gaming house you can do it without concent
I fail to see how the next big thing must be under 18. Proponents of this ignore the many great players who became great after they were 18, there are quite a few brood war players who didn't become great until they were 18 or older, they are just ignored because people focus on progamers like Baby and Flash who were successful at a young age. I will be applying, but am waiting until after Columbus to submit my application, hoping I show good results there that might weigh in . Also I wonder if pros on teams will apply for this, I don't see anything that says they can't, and it might be a better deal than their current teams are offering.
On May 27 2011 09:19 Newguy wrote: Also I wonder if pros on teams will apply for this, I don't see anything that says they can't, and it might be a better deal than their current teams are offering.
As long as those players aren't under a contractual obligation to those teams, they are welcome to apply.
DAMN, i thought this was really cool besides the youtube video part but was going to do it anyway but cant cause im not 18 and only 3 months b4 my 18th birthday in august
On May 27 2011 09:45 Deception-35 wrote: DAMN, i thought this was really cool besides the youtube video part but was going to do it anyway but cant cause im not 18 and only 3 months b4 my 18th birthday in august
This won't be the only chance you will have, you should be eligible by the first open tournament.
The 18 thing is kind of a bummer, esp considering most pros got their start before they were 18. I mean most were like 15-17 when they got started and they got good around 17 really. Ahh well, I get the legality issues etc, just makes me sad
The title is a bit misleading ,for some reason I thought it was another coaching project ( so many of them recently). It's really a great initiative, I hope we will have some serious players applying for this.
i disagree with the choice of only looking on NA server. Has been said a lot of time, a lot of player on NA but the level is a BIT under EU skill wise.
and i don't have a webcam, so i figure whilst answering the questions (via my microphone) i will have my screen being streamed into the video to prove i am who i say i am on the ladder?
It would be preferable if you could get in touch with a friend who might have one, or use a phone cam etc..But yes just make an account on the site if you do not already have one and post the link to the video along with the other things for the application.
i can throw in a picture of myself, if you would like? but honestly i know no one with a webcam ><
On May 28 2011 06:05 Drizzt3 wrote: Mana is 17 and hes a damn good player on mousesports right? creatorprime is 14 and hes in gsl code A right?
and...? What % of players do you think are under the age of 18? Considering that you're getting I'd say at least 80% of the player base (that is eligible to apply age restrictions aside) over 18, and that complications with players over 18 are very little compared to that over underage players, why would you bend over backwards to deal with underage players who in all likelihood are not going to be any better than the players over 18?
Sigh, i seriously want to do this... I just became a free agent but the req is 18+, 4 years is a long ways away especially considering I'll have more commitements by then while in college. Being 14 in sc2 is not great when trying to get into higher tier teams, ive checked nearly every team and all of them require at bare minimum of 16+. Tbh i think kids can commit more time to sc2 while in high school as supposed to during college when they are focusing on their majors and minors.
I see their point though, someone under 18 can't make that commitment. Legally, they really can't. Plus Pokebunny there are VERRY few people in the sc2 community like you who both the skill and the parents (yes even many white parents in this day and age dont believe in video gaming careers a whole lot, however legitimate they are). Also I dont see the need for the few really good 15-17 year olds in the sc2 community to attend this CA thing. if they have the potential and are serious about it, they can continue to try to improve/maintain skill and play in online tournaments (there are plentyy of them these days) and compete in nearby LANs. If you do well in prominent online tournaments, you WILL get recruited to a decent pro team.
On May 28 2011 06:05 Drizzt3 wrote: Mana is 17 and hes a damn good player on mousesports right? creatorprime is 14 and hes in gsl code A right?
and...? What % of players do you think are under the age of 18? Considering that you're getting I'd say at least 80% of the player base (that is eligible to apply age restrictions aside) over 18, and that complications with players over 18 are very little compared to that over underage players, why would you bend over backwards to deal with underage players who in all likelihood are not going to be any better than the players over 18?
Im sure this has been said before but age has nothing to do with skill level... Me and my freinds from sc2 are all 1400's and under 18 years old. In my opinion the player base in masters under 18 is a lot larger than 20%. And even if it isn't it certainly doesn't mean that we can't play at GM level... I play ROOT, VT, vVv, EG on a daily basis, i really don't think that age factors in to level of gameplay. Players like pokebunny are living examples of younger players with great success in the community.
i think we can drop the age debate, they arent discriminating because they think minors are bad at starcraft lol, they just dont want to be liable for any issues that arise from players who are not their own legal gaurdian (obviously).
On May 28 2011 06:05 Drizzt3 wrote: Mana is 17 and hes a damn good player on mousesports right? creatorprime is 14 and hes in gsl code A right?
and...? What % of players do you think are under the age of 18? Considering that you're getting I'd say at least 80% of the player base (that is eligible to apply age restrictions aside) over 18, and that complications with players over 18 are very little compared to that over underage players, why would you bend over backwards to deal with underage players who in all likelihood are not going to be any better than the players over 18?
Im sure this has been said before but age has nothing to do with skill level... Me and my freinds from sc2 are all 1400's and under 18 years old. In my opinion the player base in masters under 18 is a lot larger than 20%. And even if it isn't it certainly doesn't mean that we can't play at GM level... I play ROOT, VT, vVv, EG on a daily basis, i really don't think that age factors in to level of gameplay. Players like pokebunny are living examples of younger players with great success in the community.
This isn't the point I was making though. I am not saying age makes you a better gamer. However there are more players over 18 than under; even more that are more serious and have more time to devote to gaming. A minor who is potentially still in school will have to deal with the rules of their parents and it can be a big mess trying to organize something like this when you don't know if player X under 18 will be grounded, banned from the computer, have to go to bed etc... So if you had the choice of having 2 equally skilled gamers, and one came with all these strings attached and conditions, the other being able to make his/her own schedule, who would you choose?
I gotta give COL props for this initiative. These opportunities are few. First time I ever seen a professional team give the amateur scene a full chance at sponsorship, by supplying them the gear they need, whilst giving them opportunistic to test their abilities in competition.
GSL World Champ was out of 16, so top 8 just means he won 1 round. Zero foreigners in the top 4.
I'm done derailing this thread about an unrelated matter. Truth be told whether I'm right or wrong, it doesn't matter. I hope complexity finds some undiscovered talent and raises the skill level of North American SC2.
Were you there? or even watch?
More than one.... Socke, Sjow, Grubby, Naniwa, and a few others ( if you count Canadians)
This is like the coolest thing i have ever seen. It is like a mix of "the big break" ( a golf show) and SC2 and i love it. I hope that there are some good hidden gems out there that will be found!
GSL World Champ was out of 16, so top 8 just means he won 1 round. Zero foreigners in the top 4.
I'm done derailing this thread about an unrelated matter. Truth be told whether I'm right or wrong, it doesn't matter. I hope complexity finds some undiscovered talent and raises the skill level of North American SC2.
Were you there? or even watch?
More than one.... Socke, Sjow, Grubby, Naniwa, and a few others ( if you count Canadians)
he was oviously referring to mlg dallas 2010, where TT1 got 2nd place
but Jinro won that one and there were some other non-NA players (TLO, ret, Haypro, Nazgul, Sen, Socke...)
On May 28 2011 19:04 Hasuu wrote: I gotta give COL props for this initiative. These opportunities are few. First time I ever seen a professional team give the amateur scene a full chance at sponsorship, by supplying them the gear they need, whilst giving them opportunistic to test their abilities in competition.
Good luck to CoL's academy team.
O_O Did you miss dignitas's tournament where the winner got a pro contract? I forget his name, but this isn't the first time I've seen this in sc2.
On May 28 2011 19:04 Hasuu wrote: I gotta give COL props for this initiative. These opportunities are few. First time I ever seen a professional team give the amateur scene a full chance at sponsorship, by supplying them the gear they need, whilst giving them opportunistic to test their abilities in competition.
Good luck to CoL's academy team.
O_O Did you miss dignitas's tournament where the winner got a pro contract? I forget his name, but this isn't the first time I've seen this in sc2.
On May 28 2011 19:04 Hasuu wrote: I gotta give COL props for this initiative. These opportunities are few. First time I ever seen a professional team give the amateur scene a full chance at sponsorship, by supplying them the gear they need, whilst giving them opportunistic to test their abilities in competition.
Good luck to CoL's academy team.
O_O Did you miss dignitas's tournament where the winner got a pro contract? I forget his name, but this isn't the first time I've seen this in sc2.
This is similar to what our friends at Dignitas did, but also different. This is an ongoing initiative that will enable 10 players at a time to refine their skills and have opportunities for pro contracts, travel, exposure, etc.
On June 04 2011 01:40 echuchee wrote: Should be putting my application up tomorrow(when I turn 18) or the next day. Thanks for the opportunity complexity gaming!
Love it! So great to give kids the chance to make the jump. There is alot of talent out there in the masters field with people who only are able to play 2-3 hours a day ( or less)... hopefully opportunities like this for name recognition and such will allow them to practice like a pro. Everyone knows practice makes a world of difference in almost everything, and even more so in SC.
This is such a great way to not only recruit people and give players a chance to go for it, but also a great way to promote Starcraft 2 Esports once again. Thank you compLexity for this awesome step forward.
Only reason its over 18 is because of U.S laws and they really do not want any legal problems so its easier this way, anyway- this is a really good idea.
On June 10 2011 12:15 Newguy wrote: When will the 20 chosen players be announced?
Hey everyone, over this weekend I will be selecting the top 20 applications for the academy. I just want to thank everyone who has applied and wish you all the best of luck. The exact date for the tournament is not set yet but should be announced by Monday when the top 20 will be selected.
This reminds me of SC101 from sc2gg.com way back in the day. I applied for that when in college and never got in .
Would apply for this in a second if I wasn't going to Africa for 6 months. Good luck to all who apply. Ma haps I can get into round two when I get back (assuming there is one)
This is weird, i actually dreamed about something similar like this... Heh, being diamond now is even more a pain in the ass. Still would love to be in this/see what happens
i cry so hard =( going into the marines will not have the time to play any more Q.Q!!!!! there is reason too for 18+ should stop complaining if your younger then that i had to wait till i was 18 too to do some stuff -_-
I would be concerned about letting JediGamer in. AKA Syndicate who was known to be very bad manner. He applied for elevengaming and was very interesting at first. However when we found out his AKA we told him we weren't interested anymore. He pretty much raged and did multiple things such as go on our streams, showcase events, and spam in chat that we were cheating and hacking. Furthermore after many weeks still continues to come into the elevengaming battle.net channel randomly and just spam/'talk trash.' Just really immature.
I feel really bad that he is taking up someone's spot in this Academy opportunity. Just looking at the Terrans though, lizzuma is way better who did very decent at MLG Columbus.
Strength and Brobocop are some legit up and coming Zerg players! I wish them both luck. goswer looks like it is spelled wrong and should be goswser. I still can't believe compLexity has the resources to do this still while picking up most of ROOT gaming. Truly the NA powerhouse now. Goodluck!
Edit: Funny JediGamer says bad manner should stay out of stream, when he constantly came on our showcase stream and was extremely ban manner until banned. I've never seen a more two-faced player since I started playing sc2. He's probably a legit coach like I've mentioned before, however he hides the way he really acts with gaming organizations well in this interview. Don't expect to bad manner/spam a clan for multiple weeks Jedi after they gave you a fair tryout process and expect us fellow managers not to relay the message. Not the best way to go for your path to being a pro.
Looking forward to seeing how this works out in the end and how the players to in future tournaments
I know if I didn't have a full time job in the military I'd be all over trying to get somewhere with SC2 like I do any competitive online game I've played in the past.
On June 14 2011 23:11 Nizzy wrote: I would be concerned about letting JediGamer in. AKA Syndicate who was known to be very bad manner. He applied for elevengaming and was very interesting at first. However when we found out his AKA we told him we weren't interested anymore. He pretty much raged and did multiple things such as go on our streams, showcase events, and spam in chat that we were cheating and hacking. Furthermore after many weeks still continues to come into the elevengaming battle.net channel randomly and just spam/'talk trash.' Just really immature.
I feel really bad that he is taking up someone's spot in this Academy opportunity. Just looking at the Terrans though, lizzuma is way better who did very decent at MLG Columbus.
Strength and Brobocop are some legit up and coming Zerg players! I wish them both luck. goswer looks like it is spelled wrong and should be goswser. I still can't believe compLexity has the resources to do this still while picking up most of ROOT gaming. Truly the NA powerhouse now. Goodluck!
Edit: Funny JediGamer says bad manner should stay out of stream, when he constantly came on our showcase stream and was extremely ban manner until banned. I've never seen a more two-faced player since I started playing sc2. He's probably a legit coach like I've mentioned before, however he hides the way he really acts with gaming organizations well in this interview. Don't expect to bad manner/spam a clan for multiple weeks Jedi after they gave you a fair tryout process and expect us fellow managers not to relay the message. Not the best way to go for your path to being a pro.
This is absolutely correct. I've played Jedi multiple times on ladder and he just talks senseless shit from beginning to end. Hes also not that good
I've beaten him on my smurf back when his name was syndicate and he BMd me via PMs for like half an hour straight after the game, not to mention constant BM during the game, I completely agree with the above posts about jedigamer/syndicate and that he is probably not the best addition to any respectable team.
On June 14 2011 23:11 Nizzy wrote: I would be concerned about letting JediGamer in. AKA Syndicate who was known to be very bad manner. He applied for elevengaming and was very interesting at first. However when we found out his AKA we told him we weren't interested anymore. He pretty much raged and did multiple things such as go on our streams, showcase events, and spam in chat that we were cheating and hacking. Furthermore after many weeks still continues to come into the elevengaming battle.net channel randomly and just spam/'talk trash.' Just really immature.
I feel really bad that he is taking up someone's spot in this Academy opportunity. Just looking at the Terrans though, lizzuma is way better who did very decent at MLG Columbus.
Strength and Brobocop are some legit up and coming Zerg players! I wish them both luck. goswer looks like it is spelled wrong and should be goswser. I still can't believe compLexity has the resources to do this still while picking up most of ROOT gaming. Truly the NA powerhouse now. Goodluck!
Edit: Funny JediGamer says bad manner should stay out of stream, when he constantly came on our showcase stream and was extremely ban manner until banned. I've never seen a more two-faced player since I started playing sc2. He's probably a legit coach like I've mentioned before, however he hides the way he really acts with gaming organizations well in this interview. Don't expect to bad manner/spam a clan for multiple weeks Jedi after they gave you a fair tryout process and expect us fellow managers not to relay the message. Not the best way to go for your path to being a pro.
This is absolutely correct. I've played Jedi multiple times on ladder and he just talks senseless shit from beginning to end. Hes also not that good
For the record I have yet to see him be anything but manner. Not trying to say he is a mannerbear or anything but it would definitely be a shame if a top 50 NA player was left out of a program like this just b/c of a groundless post on TL
So if we didn't make the cut this time do we have to wait until the 9 months are up before applying again or what? Im a little confused about that part.
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... I made up the name "Academy" for vVv's B team Glad to see it catching on! MWHAHAHA
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