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dOofuS
United States342 Posts
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Slipspace
United States381 Posts
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ryan__h
United States42 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:48 Fatalize wrote: Only Americans are butthurted by F-bombs and things like that ... BTW, Starcraft is supposed to be 12+yo (at least in France), so i don't see why casters should force them to speak in a certain way, when every 12+yo person is used to harsh words and such ... I'm American and I wish there was absolutely no censorship except maybe a super gory scene. Anyways, maybe a censored and uncensored version/stream because I think holding back/censoring isn't that good and makes it not as entertaining especially when there is bleeps or pauses. | ||
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Xacalite
Germany533 Posts
I cant believe so many of you hate children I almost died out of disbelief and shock. You are right, every developped country on the planet except americans hate their children...spot on. When kids learn so many bad words they might not get a highpaying yob Thats right...only americans that dont know a synonym for feces can have high paying jobs. Totally correct. this shit needs to stop. If you are a parent, then dont back away from your responsiblility and teach your kids how these words work. Dont just shit all over anyone who uses them. | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:35 Longshank wrote: So you ask for PG rated casting on a T rated game? I guess it's a cultural thing but get worked up over some f-words while watching marines splatter all over the place seems odd to me. It is kind of ironic, then again, I can't see many people getting worked up about this. Whether you like it or not, kids will use f-bombs by the time they're 11-12. | ||
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
On May 26 2011 16:36 Rabiator wrote:Obviously the analogy is exaggerated, but language is important ... always. If your kid picks up the regular use of swear words and such from watching Starcraft broadcasts it might have a problem later by not getting a high paying job by talking too dirty or whatever. PLEASE tell me you are kidding here! PLEASE TELL ME THAT YOU ARE KIDDING, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! So now I know why Americans have such an aversion against swear words, they think their children can't get good jobs when they hear swear words. HILARIOUS!(*1) hint: One is aggressor and the other the victim who didnt want its live changed, but nevertheless was forced into it. The prevention of these unwanted changes should not be burdened upon the victims. Using swear words is not a bad thing, and therefore there is no aggressor and no victim, thus your analogy is flawed.My parents taught me not to swear, I don't know where you get the idea that because I've been taught not to swear, I fear the words. I simply don't appreciate them, as I don't see them adding anything to conversation, let alone professional commentating. My parents taught me not to swear. I don't have a problem with swearing. They add just as much to the conversation as any other intensifier words. | ||
Falling
Canada11472 Posts
On May 26 2011 16:51 algorithm0r wrote: I agree... So many of you want to keep them locked in a cage unable to experience reality and learn how to cope with REAL LIFE. That way they grow up to be adults frightened of everything... even WORDS! I bet then they would vote for governments that try to control every aspect of their lives because they were unable to take responsibility for themselves out of the incredible fear they have when facing the world. Really, please think before posting such drivel. I assume then from this that you won't suddenly turn around and say that the game is too violent for kids/ they shouldn't be watching a T game because that would be locking them in cages, etc, etc. On May 26 2011 18:09 maartendq wrote: It is kind of ironic, then again, I can't see many people getting worked up about this. Whether you like it or not, kids will use f-bombs by the time they're 11-12. Maybe. But this is one giant assumption and thus a bad premise for an argument. Can't say I've ever dropped the f-bomb. Easier that way actually, as a lot of my peers have been trying to curb their tongues as we've been stepping into the teaching profession. And as such, I don't buy the whole 'words are just words' and dropping f-bombs can be professional because I don't perceive swearing to be un-professional. Not in any professional job I've come across. Certainly not in mine. But maybe we don't want Starcraft to be professional. That's fine, but we need to know that's what were doing. We also need to know we might be cutting off certain groups of people. Because at least in North America swearing is considered unprofessional, the MLG, NASL, and TSL are all broadcasted from North America. In addition, North America has this stereotypical view of gamers- particularly the unsavoury fps, angry teen gamer (or lazy college drop-out), a lot of foul talk simply confirms stereotypes. You can tell them to l2p, to grow up, to join the 21st Century, to stop being so American, to get more outraged about violence than about curses and sex, to not care about the meaning of words, but you're arguing against outsider's perceptions. And you won't change their perception with any sort of arguments, when the stereotype is being fed. But if we're good with that, then carry on as we were. | ||
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Shady
Austria115 Posts
EDIT: and everyone stating that he hasnt ever used the "f-bomb" (so pathetic...) is a huge liar, better learn your children to be honest and open! | ||
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JadedZerg
21 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:04 warsinger wrote: I just composed this as an email to State of the Game. Hope they address it, but I'd like to hear what the always level-headed and polite TL community has to say on the issue. I am a father of 2 boys (12 and 8) and we love watching Starcraft casts and tournaments. We watch most of NASL, TSL, IPL and occasionally GSL as well as lots of independent casts and streams. My oldest son and I have attended both MLG Dallas 2010 & 2011. My question is about maturity level of the casting. Using MPAA ratings for comparison some casters I can count on to use PG language and jokes and some go all the way up to R level (or beyond). I try to learn the various styles and "ratings" for each caster and tournament and filter appropriately. If I know a caster is likely to drop F-bombs I will listen solo or maybe watch it on mute with the kids. Then there are casts that are mostly clean but occasionally use some harsher language or sexually oriented jokes (looking at you Gretorp). Another situation is during post game interviews with the players. 5 seconds into the TSL3 championship post game interview, the F-bomb emerges after a pretty clean cast. I reached for the mute button very quickly. Glad my wife didn't hear it. I'm not trying to complain or say there should be any censorship, but I would like to hear your discussion on some sort of mechanism for determining what the age appropriateness of specific tournament casts will be. Would it be possible to have some sort of rating system so that when tuning in to watch a tournament I can know that the casters will or will not be using certain types of language? Another idea is a PG edited version where someone has taken the time to bleep out parts of the cast (like the TV version of an R movie). I'd love to have this for something like the Day9 Daily but I know such things take time and money. Can you imagine an edited version of SOTG? As esports continues to grow I think this may be a barrier to entry for some like myself who are trying to protect the minds and ears of our little children at least for a few more years. I realize my standards are quite different from many but there are established standards for the major TV networks. Would a model like this help or hurt esports development? Love to hear your thoughts. Warsinger Bronze Division Braxis Zeta unfortunately kids of 13 or less are not the target audience of SC2. I mean besides the language have you actually seen how some of the units die? One of the marauder's death animations is the marauder getting split in half and falling to the ground and spraying blood everywhere, Banelings blowing up and melting marines while they scream,collosus and hellions setting units on fire and they wither and burn when they die. Tastosis has already said they can curse but they keep it classy which is their choice. But I don't think it's reasonable to force PG language on casters so that little children, who shouldn't even be watching the game, won't hear any bad language. Nevermind all the gruesome death animations. Honestly I don't know how this game got a T rating with the kind of death animations they have. I think you can turn it off but the casters for the most part, don't. or at least I think they don't. | ||
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
I think asking for something like having videos bleeped out is practically insane, as just making the videos in the first place takes a tremendous amount of time and effort. Something like a warning label for seems reasonable, though. It should take no more than 5 minutes to stick something like that in, and then you immediately know what the worst you can expect will be. Also, lol @ everyone getting mad at poor Gretorp. XD | ||
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Valashu
Netherlands561 Posts
Gamers usually talk crap and it's normal for almost any sport and I think casters overall convey this very well. Why not look at why you let your kids watch SCII? the 'F bomb' isn't bad unless you use it in a direct way. And err, why worry about language when marines die in pools of blood and goo? Kind of upside down to me. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:48 Fatalize wrote: Only Americans are butthurted by F-bombs and things like that ... BTW, Starcraft is supposed to be 12+yo (at least in France), so i don't see why casters should force them to speak in a certain way, when every 12+yo person is used to harsh words and such ... But it's not true, not every 12+ yo person is used to "harsh" words. And even so, it's more what their parents will allow them to hear. I'm 16 and my parents still do not like me watching anything with the smallest vulgarity in it (of course I still do) | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
Does anyone know what the case is for Korean language content? Presumably it has far greater levels guidance on content seeing as the scene is on a national scale. what about GOM.tv, does what's their policy? I doubt any of these consideration will apply to SOTG - it is a very differnent kettle of cucumbers compared to a tournay cast. Half the fun is listening to tow pros sware at each other. Though seriously, are 8-12 years listening to this? Well done on getting in their first Chill. Now GET OUT! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD | ||
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
Personally, I am always appalled by the bleeping, so I don't want that to happen to casts. | ||
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Dardanian
United Kingdom16 Posts
Some people. | ||
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Bagonad
Denmark173 Posts
Sexual references being outlawed still makes me ponder, sex is a a nice thing, and yet it's incredibly sensored, while violence, hurting other people, is standard. I may be a bit biased considering my country shows boobs and curses on national TV as standard, but all things must be taken in moderation. | ||
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Shooks
Australia256 Posts
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seaofsaturn
United States489 Posts
PG - Parental Guidance Suggested - Some material may not be suitable for children under 10. These films may contain milder swear words, brief smoking, crude/suggestive humor, natural non-sexual nudity, short and infrequent horror moments and/or mild violence. Usually no drug use is acceptable in this category. Topless men may be present but topless woman are not usually acceptable unless in an educational or scientific context. A few racial insults may also be heard. Before the creation of PG-13, many "PG" films (e.g. Airplane!, Terms of Endearment, Nine to Five and Footloose) included elements such as swearing and drug use. Content such as this helped lead to the creation of the "PG-13" rating. Examples include Who Framed Roger Rabbit and The Incredibles. PG-13 - Parents Strongly Cautioned - Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13. These films may contain sex references, up to four uses of explicit language, drug innuendo, strong crude/suggestive humor, mature/political themes, moderately long horror moments and/or moderate action violence. You can say fuck up to 4 times in a movie and still have it PG13. Starcraft is rated the equivalent of PG-13. As long as Incontrol and Gretorp are not shown having some kind of graphic sex scene(or as long as they don't fucking say fuck in every fucking word of the fucking sentence), you have no room to complain. | ||
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ryan__h
United States42 Posts
On May 26 2011 20:48 seaofsaturn wrote: You can say fuck up to 4 times in a movie and still have it PG13. Starcraft is rated the equivalent of PG-13. As long as Incontrol and Gretorp are not shown having some kind of graphic sex scene(or as long as they don't fucking say fuck in every fucking word of the fucking sentence), you have no room to complain. That is a win right there. But yeah, I'm glad you brought up the pg-13 thing. | ||
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On May 26 2011 20:48 seaofsaturn wrote:(or as long as they don't fucking say fuck in every fucking word of the fucking sentence) That was only four times, you're totally safe man! | ||
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