I just want to gauge people's reactions on the current state of GSL casting. We've had enough time with the new casters that I think opinions are valid. Please, if you're going to critique or say something bad about one of the casters, at least have some thought behind it.
Just don't go, "OMG TASTELESS SUX SO BAD! PLEASE FIRE HIM GOM KTHX!" Just because you don't like someone's casting means you can be a dick to them. If you dislike how they work, that's fine - they're professionals and should be able to be critiqued like any person in the spotlight.
Poll: Artosis
Excellent (Makes the game better with his commentary) (3424)
92%
Good (204)
5%
Average (42)
1%
Horrible (Takes away from the quality of the cast) (29)
1%
Bad (13)
0%
3712 total votes
Your vote: Artosis
(Vote): Excellent (Makes the game better with his commentary) (Vote): Good (Vote): Average (Vote): Bad (Vote): Horrible (Takes away from the quality of the cast)
Poll: Tasteless
Excellent (Makes the game better with his commentary) (2801)
76%
Good (673)
18%
Average (126)
3%
Horrible (Takes away from the quality of the cast) (50)
1%
Bad (28)
1%
3678 total votes
Your vote: Tasteless
(Vote): Excellent (Makes the game better with his commentary) (Vote): Good (Vote): Average (Vote): Bad (Vote): Horrible (Takes away from the quality of the cast)
Poll: Kelly
Horrible (Takes away from the quality of the cast) (1336)
37%
Average (1072)
29%
Bad (583)
16%
Good (485)
13%
Excellent (Makes the game better with his commentary) (162)
4%
3638 total votes
Your vote: Kelly
(Vote): Excellent (Makes the game better with his commentary) (Vote): Good (Vote): Average (Vote): Bad (Vote): Horrible (Takes away from the quality of the cast)
Poll: DOA
Average (1585)
46%
Good (1191)
35%
Bad (345)
10%
Horrible (Takes away from the quality of the cast) (195)
6%
Excellent (Makes the game better with his commentary) (121)
4%
3437 total votes
Your vote: DOA
(Vote): Excellent (Makes the game better with his commentary) (Vote): Good (Vote): Average (Vote): Bad (Vote): Horrible (Takes away from the quality of the cast)
Poll: Moletrap
Good (1444)
40%
Average (955)
27%
Horrible (Takes away from the quality of the cast) (474)
13%
Excellent (Makes the game better with his commentary) (417)
12%
Bad (305)
8%
3595 total votes
Your vote: Moletrap
(Vote): Excellent (Makes the game better with his commentary) (Vote): Good (Vote): Average (Vote): Bad (Vote): Horrible (Takes away from the quality of the cast)
I don't know what all the fuss is about Doa, Moletrap is the only guy keeping it interesting. And I'll never realize why people seem to have a vendetta against Kelly.
The only reason I put bad for Kelly was because it is just so hard to understand it. I have a large enough issue understanding anyone with a reasonable accent, and she just makes it unbearable for me (may have something to do with my slightly hearing deficiency). Personally I really like moletrap and doa because they both bring an insight to the game, and moletrap I feel brings a korean style commentating, but in english of course.
On May 18 2011 16:15 rawrjaaaaay wrote: I don't understand the point of this thread to be honest. People constantly bash/praise commentators in pretty much every other thread anyways. /:
I am curious to see the results after some more people vote. Specifically about Moletrap. I see a lot of people bashing him, but a lot defend him too. Personally I can't stand him, so I'm curious.
On May 18 2011 16:14 BLinD-RawR wrote: nice to know only a vocal minority hates Moletrap.
Word. I was afraid it was only those of us who watched Moletrap's bw commentaries who still liked him considering all the hate he's been getting in the LR threads and gomtv comments sections.
I think everybody who isn't tastosis is easily replaceable, and that makes me vote "average" for everybody else since nothing really sets them apart from the plethora of other random youtube casters out there in my mind.
Yeah i dont really get this etiher. This will only bring a shitstorm of bashing of casters. Why are the sc2 community so obsessed with casters? Its crasy...
The problem with commentating for GSL is that Tastosis sets the bar way too high... it's like night and day when you watch Code A one day and watch Code S the next. In particular, they just work together perfectly, as opposed to Moletrap + DoA where there are some awkward moments. And the former pair is just way better at filling up air time when nothing is going on. I think that's something Moletrap and DoA could pick up from Tasteless...
But yeah, not to say that they're bad, just that Tastosis is too good. xD
In early, early GSL I really liked Tasteless, and didn't really like Artosis. After watching hundreds of hours of GSL, Artosis has really grown on me, and Tasteless has sunk a bit. Artosis is the only caster I've felt (in the GSL) who really, really loves the game.
I could not stand Kelly, but we're not going to get into that.
DOA and Moletrap are an interesting pair. I feel they have a long way to go in the way of chemistry, but the biggest issue I have is them trying to become Tastosis. I feel that if they develop their own casting style, that it'll get way better. Moletrap does get 'screechy'.
There was something wrong with the poll about Tasteless so I fixed it for you:
Poll: Tasteless
Excellent! His casting makes people fear for their ladder points! (37)
38%
Excellent! His casting makes my heterosexual heart melt (33)
34%
Excellent! Tasteless is baller! (12)
12%
Excellent! His casting solves world peace! (6)
6%
Excellent! He is sooooo sexy! (5)
5%
Excellent! Of course - he's a part of Tastosis, the casting Archon! (3)
3%
Excellent! (Makes the game better with his commentary) (1)
1%
97 total votes
Your vote: Tasteless
(Vote): Excellent! His casting makes my heterosexual heart melt (Vote): Excellent! Tasteless is baller! (Vote): Excellent! (Makes the game better with his commentary) (Vote): Excellent! His casting solves world peace! (Vote): Excellent! His casting makes people fear for their ladder points! (Vote): Excellent! He is sooooo sexy! (Vote): Excellent! Of course - he's a part of Tastosis, the casting Archon!
On May 18 2011 16:25 TheSilverfox wrote: There was something wrong with the poll about Tasteless so I fixed it for you:
Poll: Tasteless
Excellent! His casting makes people fear for their ladder points! (37)
38%
Excellent! His casting makes my heterosexual heart melt (33)
34%
Excellent! Tasteless is baller! (12)
12%
Excellent! His casting solves world peace! (6)
6%
Excellent! He is sooooo sexy! (5)
5%
Excellent! Of course - he's a part of Tastosis, the casting Archon! (3)
3%
Excellent! (Makes the game better with his commentary) (1)
1%
97 total votes
Your vote: Tasteless
(Vote): Excellent! His casting makes my heterosexual heart melt (Vote): Excellent! Tasteless is baller! (Vote): Excellent! (Makes the game better with his commentary) (Vote): Excellent! His casting solves world peace! (Vote): Excellent! His casting makes people fear for their ladder points! (Vote): Excellent! He is sooooo sexy! (Vote): Excellent! Of course - he's a part of Tastosis, the casting Archon!
Moletrap and DoA have less game knowledge than Kelly, or at least Moletrap seems to. This for me puts them behind, regardless of whatever accent gripes you have. I felt that DoA/Kelly combination could've been excellent if left to ripen.
I think we should rather vote on casting duos instead of individual casters, as the duo is more than the sum of its parts. For instance, I don't think too highly of Tasteless as an individual caster, but together with Artosis, he is incredibly funny. When he casted together with Kelly, his own quality dwindled too I feel.
I'm actually finding that I can't deal with watching Moletrap and Doa cast, especially when Tastosis is casting the other half of the time. The drop off in skill level and drop in my enjoyment of the cast is honestly just too much.
On May 18 2011 16:12 KMARTRULES wrote: Anyone who votes horrible or even bad are either trolls or have really high standards, all the casters have done a great job.
That sums up my opinion. Its really getting old that if you are not Artosis, Day9 or Tasteless you suck as a caster apparently. I feel bad for Kelly because she came in when everyone just didn't want anyone but tastosis so shes been given a lot of hatred that she really doesn't deserve because everyone hopped on the "lets hate bandwagon" or hatewagon as i will now refer to it.
I still find it mind boggling that people don't like Moletrap's casting,but to be honest,he does really well solo and if paired with someone,he needs to be paired with diggity.
On May 18 2011 16:12 KMARTRULES wrote: Anyone who votes horrible or even bad are either trolls or have really high standards, all the casters have done a great job.
That sums up my opinion. Its really getting old that if you are not Artosis, Day9 or Tasteless you suck as a caster apparently. I feel bad for Kelly because she came in when everyone just didn't want anyone but tastosis so shes been given a lot of hatred that she really doesn't deserve because everyone hopped on the "lets hate bandwagon" or hatewagon as i will now refer to it.
There are people who unsubscribed or found Code-A unwatchable/uninteresting as a result of the casting. Why would they not vote below average?
Assuming everyone has to be positive about things is preachy as fuck.
I like Doa better than Moletrap, I dunno, I get the sense Moletrap thinks hes more entitled to the job because of his BW casting, this may be true, but Doa is just so nice and has a great voice. Have to root for the nice guy :D
Doa's great, but moletrap needs to gtfo. They need to be paired up with different people or something because I'm not feeling the cooperation between doa/moletrap. It's certainly there with tastosis, and it was there for pretty much all the other pairings except doa/moletrap.
I like all of them, although tastosis are the best ofc. Kelly had decent game knowledge and denied a high 5 to artosis, doa makes D&D references and moletrap is all around funny guy.
I feel moletrap is by far the best out of the 3 code A casters. Kelly is hard to understand, Doa doesnt have much game knowledge or experience. Moletrap actually fits as a code A caster. As far as code S, Tasteless is a nerd baller and Artosis has dedicated his entire life to becoming more knowledgeable in Starcraft, there could not be a better caster duo.
I agree with most that Tastosis really do an awesome job and they do compliment each other. I do feel that Artosis is not replaceable whereas Tasteless is.
Kelly, well I think she's ok tbh. I do think that she clicked better with Doa than the current Doa + Moletrap combination.
Doa and Moletrap seem to be fake friendly to each other when they are on air. I dunno about you guys but i sense an air of animosity sometimes and its like they set each other up to fail. Perhaps they view each other as competition for the limited permanent Code A caster spots.
I liked Kelly with artosis/tasteless way more than I enjoy watching doa and moletrap( not like they are terribad). Overall gom does an excellent job, and I think people complain because we got spoiled with the awesomeness called tastosis.
Artosis - excellent, almost full marks in every category, easily the best commentator, love him Tasteless - excellent, hilarious and a perfect partner for Artosis
Kelly - horrible, really made the games harder to watch, though people were unnecessarily personal in their criticism of her which I find infinitely worse than any casting deficiency
Doa - average (although I'd prefer "OK" as an option instead), has a good voice, doesn't know much, decent at play by play Moletrap - average, knows a little more than Doa, can inject some excitement
Reason I say I'd rather have "OK" instead of average is that Doa and Moletrap are both above average, it's just that the average caster actually detracts from the experience to me. Maybe I just have high standards, but if I don't feel like the commentator knows at least as much as I do about the game then they're going to have a very hard time entertaining me. I like casters who add to my understanding of what's going on rather than ones who just try to describe what I can see with my own eyes or force humour. Honestly, the GSL observer gives me more insight (through his circular mouse movements to draw attention to things) than Doa and Moletrap usually do.
Give Moletrap and DOA some time, I'm sure they'll start to become an awesome pair. Tasteless and Artosis have been commentating together since the dawn of time which is why they work well together.
I do hope that GOM switches the pairings from time to time, DOA+ tasteless or Artosis + Moletrap sounds good to me!
Tasteless and Artosis are excellent. I rated DOA and Moletrap as good and they will get better with time. They seem to miss stuff that I feel they wouldn't if they weren't trying to be Tastosis.
Tastosis are excellent, to me they are the standard to which all casters should be held.
I'm not a big fan of Moletrap, its not his voice (unlike many other people that don't like him), I just think he's kinda dull, and doesn't play off his co-caster well.
I really like Doa, but him+Moletrap doesn't really work as their synergy isn't great. I'd like to see how he would do paired with Day9 or Artosis - someone who is more analytical and can catch his references. I actually don't see him pairing up too well with Tasteless, they'd be out joking one another the whole time lol.
In order I voted : Excellent Excellent Bad Bad Bad
Nothing to say about Tastosis, always loved them (I got into sc because of Tasteless in the first place, gomtv classic ftw).
But I can't listen to any of the cast of the last 3, I usually mute them because they annoy me (I really don't like their casting styles / knowledge / voices / humor).
Doa and Moletrap seem to not quite sync very well, they interrupt each other with good reason and I find their game knowledge slightly lacking =/. Even Kelly seemed to know more about the game than those two. In between games, it's rather painful watching them fill time once they run out of stats to spout.
I think the point where it gets really awkward is - especially in the last few games - when moletrap says something wrong and Doa corrects him. He seems to get thrown off by both the fact that he was wrong and someone called him out on it essentially. They also don't seem to have the relationship that led to the awesome "what's it like when you ________ on the ladder" jokes.
Agreed, Tastosis are excellent, particularly together.. not sure how they would go individually. Doa is okay, his analysis is reasonable but he makes a few mistakes.. and his reading of the game play is pretty accurate. Kelly, i must admit i haven't seen very much, but its good to see a woman in this male dominated industry she is pretty decent at casting... Moletrap however.. I dislike, he always cuts DoA off mid sentence, doesn't get DoA's jokes and makes the relationship between them awkward. Moletrap has zero analytical ability and makes a ton of mistakes.. sure he's a hype caster.. but he's not the best, when you consider this is the Premier international league, one would expect the premier of casters/commentators. You wouldn't see a substandard commentator at Super Bowl of World cup, why at GSL? basically, DOA is okay, Moletrap is pretty horrible and I expect better for the level of play that they are casting, surely there are better casters available?!
DoA and moletrap are great...but not together. Seems moletrap just acts like a dck to him sometimes with snide remarks or ignoring comments. I like them both but not together.
Artosis and Tasteless, best. Nothing else needs to be said.
Kelly = horrible. Throw away the fact she's a female and she would never even be given a chance. She might have some knowledge but her accent takes away from the quality of the cast.
Artosis is the shining light, even when I get annoyed with the "best I have ever seen" stuff from time to time. Tasteless on fire is extremely quality entertainement that I wouldn't want to miss out on, but I think he has too many periods where he isn't "on". Watching him since 2008, sometimes it's genius and othertimes it's just plain bad.
The rest is doing a pretty good job in my opinion, though the difference between them and the best casters in the business is just too big for me to go higher then average. I really don't think that GOM has had a really bad caster in SC2 thus far.
On May 18 2011 16:12 KMARTRULES wrote: Anyone who votes horrible or even bad are either trolls or have really high standards, all the casters have done a great job.
? Many people wrote they actually couldn't understand or barely understood one of the casters so what would they vote ? you're not everyone Very interesting poll although the results are pretty expected. Artosis definitely is the best caster in my opinion as well and nice to see it in the poll too.
Not a huge fan of Doa personally. I can't really put my finger on it, but when someone like tasteless makes a stupid joke I usually end up laughing, but when Doa does it just seems painfully awkward.
Moletraps voice took a little getting used to, but overall I like him.
Don't get me wrong, Moletrap is good, but man i can't listen to him for more than few games in a row. He has nice energy but he cuts DOA off aaallllllll the time it's really annoying and I don't find him very funny either overall. I think I would like kelly over him to be honest, because she got along with everyone. DOA and moletrap are not working very well together.
Nothing against Kelly, but I feel like as an English native speaker I want to hear casters/commentators that are fluent in English.(Nothing against her ability to speak the language) As in that is their primary language because they are better at articulating the action quickly in a good fashion while adding their own flavor with jokes, etc. ex. Tasteless taking those nerds ladder points!!
DOA and moletrap are good just it's just that I feel that there is some tension there behind the scenes it succulents to my screen and it makes me feel uncomfortable. On a side note I don't like moletrap's voice that much.
i wish NukeTheStars and/or KlaZart would be casters for GSL, that would be the most awesome thing ever and i would most likely vote them even over Tastosiss
On May 18 2011 17:46 MetalSlug wrote: i wish NukeTheStars and/or KlaZart would be casters for GSL, that would be the most awesome thing ever and i would most likely vote them even over Tastosiss
KlaZart OH YES!!! I loved his commentary the most back in BW games.....
Moletrap and Doa just more talk about whats going on, and not giving much insight on the game. While Tasteless and Artosis talk some about what we can see going on much go much more in depth. IMO making them wayy better casters. For me they help me alot with my gameplay.
Sorry I dont see the sense in making these polls. You said you "just want to gauge opinions" well what for? We all know Tastosis are unbeatable and that lots of people had problems with Kelly, so nothing new in that perspective. The only thing that will happen here is that just like before people will go nuts and start flaming all over the place.
Artosis: Excellent, good anylitical with subtle jokes
Tastelss: Average, he lost whatever he had during the golden days of his GomTV classic casting for some reason I do not understand.(Perhaps its the lack of Pandabearguy).
Together they are the best though.
Kelly: I didn't watch GSL code A back then cause I was busy, only S so I can't comment on this.
DOA: Average, nothing impressive but certainly not bad. Is rather akward with moletrap.
Moletrap: Good, he knows what he is talking about and really brings passion and excitement.
Only flaw is that he is a tad weirded out with DoA.
Very interesting polls. Curious how most people see the casters. Tastless+Artosis are perfect, Tastless alone isn´t my favourite but nonetheless very good (entertaining). More a fan of Moletrap than doa but both are quite good, they seem to lack a bit chemistry. Kelly was ok for me, sometimes hard to understand but not so much as many people make it sound (imo!)
Tastosis: someone above may have said better than me. irreplaceable Kelly : dislike her at 1st but get used to over the time, her knowledge is pretty good DOA : I like his voice, his dry humor, overall good analysis, but get overshadowed by his partners Moletrap: annoying voice and fake emotion, 90% of his reference was wrong (watch GSTL)
Plz bring back Tastosis for GSTL final and Super GSL. Doletrap is going worse and worse and worse.
On May 18 2011 16:12 KMARTRULES wrote: Anyone who votes horrible or even bad are either trolls or have really high standards, all the casters have done a great job.
? Many people wrote they actually couldn't understand or barely understood one of the casters so what would they vote ? you're not everyone
Many people should learn english before criticizing greate casters like the 5 gom casters.
On May 18 2011 16:18 CustomKal wrote: Order for me was:
Excellent Excellent Bad Excellent Excellent
The only reason I put bad for Kelly was because it is just so hard to understand it. I have a large enough issue understanding anyone with a reasonable accent, and she just makes it unbearable for me (may have something to do with my slightly hearing deficiency). Personally I really like moletrap and doa because they both bring an insight to the game, and moletrap I feel brings a korean style commentating, but in english of course.
And who can't love Tastosis XD.
isnt that an issue with you rather than her? Not trying to be mean or anything, but if you can't hear someone then why would you blame them?
Man how can people compare two guys that cast in korea for months with some other guys that went to korea this year and never casted with the other.. it's not fair imo
On May 18 2011 17:58 shell wrote: Man how can people compare two guys that cast in korea for months with some other guys that went to korea this year and never casted with the other.. it's not fair imo
Because they're all casters already, that applied for the job, and thus you can absolutely judge them on their casting and ability to perform. It's not like they dragged them in off the street.
Tasteless and Artosis are absolutely my favorite. I hope I offend no one but Doa and Moletrap to me seem like they TRY to be like Tastosis but fail miserably. The time between games can be the best part with Tastosis but now, I always mute the stream when it's Doa and Moletrap. They try to make jokes that aren't funny in the slightest, their game knowledge is lacking. I honestly think they just make up a lot of the things they say because they seem very unsure about everything and their predictions are generally wrong. Tastosis have too much chemistry and I imagine with time, doa/moletrap would get better but as of now, I honestly can't stand them
was a big fan of tasteless (and of course artosis) until i saw tasteless using the N-word in a derogatory manner in a chatroom conversation during another player's stream.
Tastosis is by far the best; I love watching them, they keep me entertained and glued to the stream. DOA and Moletrap are good but at times I feel a bit bored of listening to them, not so much of the fun aspect that you get from Tastosis.
On May 18 2011 16:12 KMARTRULES wrote: Anyone who votes horrible or even bad are either trolls or have really high standards, all the casters have done a great job.
? Many people wrote they actually couldn't understand or barely understood one of the casters so what would they vote ? you're not everyone
Many people should learn english before criticizing greate casters like the 5 gom casters.
i think the problem is somewhere else when even natives were complaining buddy "one of the casters" obviously referred to kelly btw, of course no one has problems understanding the others.
Mind you I think Tasteless/Artosis is the best combo there is out there... I just think there is room for them to improve and I miss it when Tasteless actually got to say things and wasn't constantly interrupted by Artosis other when asked how his laddering is.
Kelly is just not good, her pronunciation is just horrendous and there is no fanboyism in the world that can excuse it. I hate it when swedish/german casters talk half-english when casting and I hate it when Kelly casts. Hearing "Oh here comes the pooosh but hie has no steeeam" just ruins my day.
Doa has gotten raped by Moletrap, he just doesn't say anything anymore and when he does it's always average, everything he does is average and he's just all around average in every possible way. Moletrap is better, I like that he's the first fucking code A caster that SHOUTS WHEN ITS EXCITING OMG! Because Kelly/Doa just talked when shit went real and it was depressing. However Moletrap should learn to ask questions to Doa and give him some space... it feels like he just can't ever shut up. I would rather have it that way than the Doa way but still needs improvement. Why he got an average is because he does some huge blunders in his casts: "WHY ISN'T HE LOOKING AT THE SENSOR TOWER BLIP FOR THE CLOAKED NUKEEEEEE" ; because cloaked units dont show up on the sensor towers scan you newb.
On May 18 2011 18:09 TENTHST wrote: was a big fan of tasteless (and of course artosis) until i saw tasteless using the N-word in a derogatory manner in a chatroom conversation during another player's stream.
lol really? you're really that gullible to think that is the real tasteless?
On May 18 2011 18:09 TENTHST wrote: was a big fan of tasteless (and of course artosis) until i saw tasteless using the N-word in a derogatory manner in a chatroom conversation during another player's stream.
excellent/average+ average-/good/average (all 3 are lacking ingame knowledge to be taken seriously)
I really like that Artosis is showing first hand experience with some of the special builds "often used on the korean ladder". His switch to P didnt make him a "better" player imo (idk, only looking at NASL), but his insight on the PvX matchups rocketed. Tasteless is quite entertaining (most of the time), but due to the casting format (playbyplay/color), his role is somewhat limited.
I dont really enjoy the other casters, because i am watching videos to learn something. So i really get annoyed, when plain wrong things are said (sensortowerdetectoromfg, extractortrickomfgwhatsthis, etc.) and when it gets too obvious that the casters never played race X at least at master level.
@Artosis and Tasteless: !!!Please dont talk about some random sh1t at the start of the game when (i mean like 2min+)!!!: in PvX: very early probe scout, strange placement for the 1st Pylon in ZvX: 7/8 pool in TvX: proxy shenaningans
--> All in all i LURV Artosis and Tasteless, i hope they will never stop to give us ideas how to own nerds and piss our progamer friends off
On May 18 2011 18:09 TENTHST wrote: was a big fan of tasteless (and of course artosis) until i saw tasteless using the N-word in a derogatory manner in a chatroom conversation during another player's stream.
lol really? you're really that gullible to think that is the real tasteless?
rofl guys settle down it's just a word, and these days we just use it to curse not to racially vilify black people anyway.
but on topic Tastosis are gr8 but I don't understand what could be the cause for doa's average rating, he's excellent for sure imo
Nothing quite matches up to Tasteless and Artosis, but very few pairs have the friendship and camaraderie that they've built up over the years. Doa/Kelly/Moletrap are forced to work together although I presume they get along just fine.
I would actually love to see moletrap cast with tasteless sometimes, or with artosis. Doa is an awesome side commentator, but in a way he is a bit 'bland'. Moletrap can give a lot more quality information. Interesting polls ^_^
Tastosis are so smart. We know Artosis has almost all the knowledge in that pairing, but tasteless is never annoying because they are adjusted so well. Love it.
On May 18 2011 18:09 TENTHST wrote: was a big fan of tasteless (and of course artosis) until i saw tasteless using the N-word in a derogatory manner in a chatroom conversation during another player's stream.
Yeah, serious things on the interwebz happens. There is NO way that somebody would use another persons alias. Also, there is strong evidence that Santa Claus and the Easter bunny dont exist. Sorry to tell you.
On May 18 2011 18:09 TENTHST wrote: was a big fan of tasteless (and of course artosis) until i saw tasteless using the N-word in a derogatory manner in a chatroom conversation during another player's stream.
Yeah, I thought MichaelJackson88 was dead until he came onto my stream and started talking trash. That hurts, Mike.
I just want the casters to have gamesense. I don't care about "awkward" or whatever. Nothing pisses me off more than very poor analysis that makes me feel like the caster hardly plays the game above gold league, if at all. Moletrap/Doa have been setting me off about this lately...
On May 18 2011 18:09 TENTHST wrote: was a big fan of tasteless (and of course artosis) until i saw tasteless using the N-word in a derogatory manner in a chatroom conversation during another player's stream.
lol really? you're really that gullible to think that is the real tasteless?
rofl guys settle down it's just a word, and these days we just use it to curse not to racially vilify black people anyway.
but on topic Tastosis are gr8 but I don't understand what could be the cause for doa's average rating, he's excellent for sure imo
but then ~again each to their own~
About Doa, that guy says insane amount of dumb things every game.Last example yesterday: -DOA HE DIDN'T SEE THE HYDRA DEN!!!! -Moletrap Derp, he saw the hydras... -Doa Herp derp, yes, true...
This was pretty shocking and there was a lot of other examples.
On May 18 2011 18:09 TENTHST wrote: was a big fan of tasteless (and of course artosis) until i saw tasteless using the N-word in a derogatory manner in a chatroom conversation during another player's stream.
lol really? you're really that gullible to think that is the real tasteless?
rofl guys settle down it's just a word, and these days we just use it to curse not to racially vilify black people anyway.
but on topic Tastosis are gr8 but I don't understand what could be the cause for doa's average rating, he's excellent for sure imo
but then ~again each to their own~
About Doa, that guy says insane amount of dumb things every game.Last example yesterday: -DOA HE DIDN'T SEE THE HYDRA DEN!!!! -Moletrap Derp, he saw the hydras... -Doa Herp derp, yes, true...
This was pretty shocking and there was a lot of other examples.
How many hours did they have to cast again? Mistakes will be made. Moletrap allso insisted that sensor towers see cloacked units. And god knows how many times we all heard 'Tasteless dropped the ball i am sorry guys'.
In my book thats normal, none of gsl lack game knowledge or passion for the game. I think the actual reason people dislike certain casters are:
- he/she has an annoying voice (this is ofc a very personal opinion) - he/she talks in a way that i cannot understand (2 fast/2 loud/accent) - he/she makes jokes that I do not find funny - he/she is trying to hard to make the game exiting
And when you find stuff like that annoying on a person, you tend to look at what they say through a microscope and pick out everything you dont like.
Artosis and Tasteless are awesome, one thing I could say is the tangents get a little out of control, but I honestly don't mind it at all. They're just great now that tasteless doesn't have to obs.
I actually like Kelly's casting minus her leading questions, they're pretty awkward and create breaks in the cast.
Doa makes mistakes, but I don't really mind him because he doesn't have a computer to check and he sort of reminds me of artosis.
Moletrap is awful imo though. He makes all kinds of mistakes and speaks without checking, his voice is annoying and he just doesn't know enough about the game.
Doa and Moletrap are extra awful together though, lack of knowledge+mistakes makes it pretty intolerable to watch. I skip watching a lot of code a matches because i don't want to listen to them
It's awesome watching Tastosis cast. DoA and Moletrap is average, they do what they're supposed to do.
I seriously can't listen to Kelly for 3 seconds without turning off sound, I don't know if she's bad at casting or w/e. I just can't stand her annoying voice.
On May 18 2011 18:09 TENTHST wrote: was a big fan of tasteless (and of course artosis) until i saw tasteless using the N-word in a derogatory manner in a chatroom conversation during another player's stream.
lol really? you're really that gullible to think that is the real tasteless?
rofl guys settle down it's just a word, and these days we just use it to curse not to racially vilify black people anyway.
but on topic Tastosis are gr8 but I don't understand what could be the cause for doa's average rating, he's excellent for sure imo
but then ~again each to their own~
About Doa, that guy says insane amount of dumb things every game.Last example yesterday: -DOA HE DIDN'T SEE THE HYDRA DEN!!!! -Moletrap Derp, he saw the hydras... -Doa Herp derp, yes, true...
This was pretty shocking and there was a lot of other examples.
The same c an be said about moletrap in a game vs P (i think it was ZvP lastnight)
Moletrap: Oh he has an overlord scoutign the base *As overlord flies over army and 2 colosi walking around Moletrap: At least he didn't see the robo bay and know about the colosi
All of them are talented. Kelly is just a little harder to understand and everybody is used to Tastosis(also they have a lot more experience), so they're favorite.
Tastosis is something that will be hard to top. That's why Doa and Moletrap seem just average in comparison. Although they deserve huge props for making Code A actually watchable.
I almost forgot about Kelly, but yesterday I clicked on a stream commentating GSTL and all the bad memories were back. She's the only caster ever that I would describe as horrible. It was so bad, that it made me stop watching Code A altogether.
I'm having a hard time watching anything that isn't Tastosis. Hardly get exciting no matter how good the games, at least in comparison. It's unfortunate, but eh.
DOA and Moletrap are getting better and better every cast they do together. Finally they harmonize very well. I like listening to them, it makes Code A and GSTL special just as Code S is special with legendary Tastosis.
On May 18 2011 19:12 vyyye wrote: I'm having a hard time watching anything that isn't Tastosis. Hardly get exciting no matter how good the games, at least in comparison. It's unfortunate, but eh.
my favorite non-tastosis combo was that week where tastosis was at blizzcon and we had idra and the guy with the amazing voice. idra has amazing analysis and that guy had the best "radio voice". it was SO different from tastosis but not worse in any way.
if Code A could recreate that type of duo i'd be buying season passes still.
I mean seriously, half the votes are just by the name without taking any commentary at question.
I voted for "Good" for everyone except Artosis, which is Excellent. I don't know why people hate on Kelly so much, she did good commentaries, but I guess people prefer american commentary instead of any other accent right.
I wonder what would happen if total biscuit would shoutcast the GSL along with a duo commentating.
either way, DoA/Moletrap both have the potential to be excellent, they just need some extra experience. And Tasteless really need to step up on his casting. He keeps on "huuh", "but here is the thing.. huuh..." etc, and its really annoying. Without Artosis, any cast cast becomes really bad - and people used to say that Kelly was the reason why those casts were bad, except it wasn't when Artosis was around.
I love Tastosis and Doatrap, I voted Doatrap for "good" as they still have a long way to go to be as good as Tastosis as they've been casting together for ages, but they're still fantastic IMO.
I never saw Kelly's commentating so didn't vote for her.
Interesting results. I'm surprised at how pretty much 80% think DoA and Moletrap are pretty ok, I figured that number would be way higher with the amounts of posts complaining about them. Guess that goes to show that a vocal minority goes a long way.
I think Moletrap, Doa and Kelly are all pretty good, especially compared to a lot of other casters, they just have the problem that people naturally compare them to Tastosis who are lightyears ahead of anybody else.
On May 18 2011 16:42 Gnarfle wrote: I quite like DoA and I just dont understand why anyone would rate Moletrap higher than him. To each their own, i guess.
Moletrap says things which are either totally wrong or make me question whether he plays any race other than his own at least 3x a night, e.g. from GSTL last night:
"Who is oGsTOP?" *then misidentified Zenio as TOP* (First Code A winner? Do some homework, man.) "Yeah, IMSeed got an all-kill last GSTL" (When trying to belittle Squirtle's fOu all-kill by saying anyone can get an all-kill in GSTL *facepalm*)
"oGsMC IS OUT OF FORCEFIELDS!!" (in the game against Bomber; a glance showed he had ~3 more)
I really was never a fan of tasteless/artosis. I remember when it was them or Chill/Day9 casting TSL2 and I couldn't stand listening to Artosis in any of it. They seemed to just call games like 5 minutes before the opponent then just bullshit about how the guy hasn't left yet. I don't watch the GSL much, but honestly one of the bigger reasons is probably because of them. I think between Artosis/Tasteless Artosis is a much more guilty of precalling GG. I mean it's fine to mention that someone is in a bad spot and probably going to lose, however when you sit there for 5 minutes not actually commentating and talking about how X should leave already it got annoying. I also found there actual game analysis to be lacking too, but that could just be me.
But yeah, I never gave kelly/moletrap/doa a listen so maybe I will check that out when I have some free time next week.
"vocal minority" bla bla, wow stop blindly hate and ignore people complaining about your precious casters. Stop calling kelly critizisers childish and immature or ignorant and stop trying to step up for any of the casters when they recieve critizism. The point is rarely to offend or attack the castersm, but often just to give our thoughts.
I don't get why a lot of persons hate kelly, i really think she's a great caster. Ofcourse, she has an accent, but come'on! You can understand it! And the thing is, her prononciation is ofcourse going to get better with the more she casts! So, any hate towards here about her prononciation should actually be ignored and lets focus more on what she says, instead of how she says it.
Everyone but Kelly Milkies has been aight. Kelly was just a trainwreck. I just felt as if she didn't really bring much to the table in terms of casting. Restated co-caster comments, no fresh thoughts/ideas or random quibbles to keep me entertained.
Tasteless have a good synergy with Artosis, but I couldn't see him anywhere without him.
Rest is average.
But i can't see Artosis working on such a high level without Tasteless to be honest. Would feel strange. They are awesome as team, but both would lose without the other.
On May 18 2011 19:57 T0fuuu wrote: Doa and Moletrap are improving so quickly that I think I will need to re-evaluate them by the end of next season.
Just wanted to agree with this -- their casting yesterday was pretty choppy and painful, whereas today they're much smoother. Moletrap is letting Doa talk more, and Doa is focusing more on the games than his random jokes (or so I feel, but caster impressions are a fickle matter).
artosis and tasteless are the best, no doubt. i think if you compare the other casters to someone else than artosis or tasteless they would be alot better aswel though
On May 18 2011 20:22 XiaN wrote: But i can't see Artosis working on such a high level without Tasteless to be honest. Would feel strange.
Haven't you watched TSL? Artosis works fine without Tasteless imo
Artosis - excellent ! Best caster along with Day[9]. Makes everyone else look bad Tasteless - good Kelly - bad DOA - average Moletrap - average
Imo there are 2 big problems for people when they want to cast SC2: Artosis and Day[9]. Noone else compares to them, so it's hard to give others a "fair" choice.
On May 18 2011 20:27 clusen wrote: Haven't you watched TSL? Artosis works fine without Tasteless imo
I did, but ... i felt less entertained than with Tasteless on his side. Those "giggle at each others bad jokes / comparisons" was missing. At least for me.
On May 18 2011 20:27 clusen wrote: Artosis and Day[9]. Noone else compares to them, so it's hard to give others a "fair" choice.
The same was said for Day[9], before Artosis started his casting. "Noone could ever reach his level" .. and Artosis did
Tasteless and Artosis are known as one of the best casting duo for a simple reason; their chemistry is insane. They have such an incredible level of synergy when they cast that it just seems seamless and natural.
The reason this synergy exists:
Time. And time alone.
Give Doa and Moletrap a few seasons and they will be flying! As it stands however i'd have to say:
I like both Tasteless and Artosis, but I wouldn't mind seeing Tasteless cast with some different individuals. I feel like sometimes they're being unprofessional by going overboard with lame jokes instead of actually casting the game.
Now when Tasteless casts with people other than Artosis, he seems to focus more on casting the game and he makes jokes more sparingly, making them all the more funny.
The casting duo I would like to see most are Tasteless and Day[9]. Ah, a man can dream...
On May 18 2011 20:20 Roffles wrote: Everyone but Kelly Milkies has been aight. Kelly was just a trainwreck. I just felt as if she didn't really bring much to the table in terms of casting. Restated co-caster comments, no fresh thoughts/ideas or random quibbles to keep me entertained.
Pretty much agree. She is the only caster that made me mute the stream so far. DoA/Moletrap aren't the greatest at analysing, but their random banter is quite entertaining if you don't take it too seriously.
On May 18 2011 20:20 Roffles wrote: Everyone but Kelly Milkies has been aight. Kelly was just a trainwreck. I just felt as if she didn't really bring much to the table in terms of casting. Restated co-caster comments, no fresh thoughts/ideas or random quibbles to keep me entertained.
Pretty much agree. She is the only caster that made me mute the stream so far. DoA/Moletrap aren't the greatest at analysing, but their random banter is quite entertaining if you don't take it too seriously.
I also agree. Kelly was just so hard to follow AND she really shrieked when things started heating up in the matches.
Doa/Moletrap still have some awkward moments but i think those kinks can easily be ironed out with time and practise. It's obvious that Moletrap is used to casting alone, reminds me of Day9 with the constant "A-ha, mmm, A-ha" in his early SC2 casting. D9 has more or less stopped with that and his casting is pure awesome now. I'm hoping Doa/Moletrap will improve and reach a solid peak somewhere a bit below Tastosis in quality.
Well guys, we don't have to go back more than a few years to when there was next to none english casters of livestreams, all livestreams were watched in Korean.. I think that people are spending far too much energy on the casters compared to the actual games.
OT:
Artosis: Good Tasteless: Excellent Doa: Average Moletrap: Average Kelly: Bad
On May 18 2011 20:31 XiaN wrote: The same was said for Day[9], before Artosis started his casting. "Noone could ever reach his level" .. and Artosis did
So its not impossible, but a long and hard way.
Yup, you just need a thick skin in the beginning and to work hard :p Artosis had the advantage of being a well known figure in the scene tho.
@ ELA I'm coming from WC3 and I'm used to having a choice of different casters in different languages. You want someone who imitates creep sounds? Go for Bunny. You want to be entertained? Go for Khaldor etc.
On May 18 2011 16:23 aderum wrote: Yeah i dont really get this etiher. This will only bring a shitstorm of bashing of casters. Why are the sc2 community so obsessed with casters? Its crasy...
All sports viewers are obsessed with casters. They can make or break a match.
On May 18 2011 21:05 57 Corvette wrote: So much Kelly hate ._.
I think she did a decent job, the accent wasn't too annoying. You just needed to pair her with the right co-caster.
I think the accent thing is dealbreaker to many people. I for one had no problems with it when she was calm and collected but as soon as games picked up in pace she slurred, shrieked in a high pitched voice and was very hard to follow.
On May 18 2011 21:05 57 Corvette wrote: So much Kelly hate ._.
I think she did a decent job, the accent wasn't too annoying. You just needed to pair her with the right co-caster.
I'm a native English speaker, and I could barely follow Kelly when she spoke at normal speed, let alone when she was excited. I found that it wasn't so much the accent but rather the way she constantly slurred/ran words together; I don't have any problem understanding anyone I know from Singapore.
I shudder to think how a non-native speaker managed to follow her casting :/
I didn't watch much of Kelly, DOA, and Moletrap so I can't really comment on these three.
I love Tasteless' casting, it's smooth most of the time, he notices things that Artosis misses, and throws some jokes here and there, just the right amount. Excellent.
It's the opposite for Artosis, the more time passes, the more his casting tends to annoy me. He's great when he's actually focusing on the game, but his jokes are not funny to me anymore, it seems to me that he's only recycling jokes he already told, and spend way way less time commenting the actual game than he used to during the first GSLs. It's just my opinion, but I liked it better when he spent more time focusing on the game and less time telling not so funny jokes (or initiating 3-minutes jokes) and stories about his ladder games. Average.
My voting order: Excellent Good None (Haven't seen her cast) Average Bad
Artosis casts fine by himself, he's awesome, tasteless makes it even better but tasteless wouldn't be nice on his own. Doa is very "meh", he has a good voice but he says a lot of n00bish things and pull many crappy jokes. Moletrap is like doa, but doesn't have a good voice.
Artosis: good nearly excellent but he talks to much about balance. He can do this the whole day in his youtube videos, maybe Zerg is up maybe not. Tasteless: excellent. <3 Kelly: good, I don't get why everyone is so upset about her accent. I am obvious not an english native speaker and had never problems to understand her. But at least she seemed to be prepared for the games, which is the most important part for me. The only negative thing "mimimi Zerg is so up" (see Artosis). DoA: not so good but not average. He is really entertaining and seems to have good game knowledge. But please prepare for the games. Its just embarrassing to see how less he knows about the players. Don't wanna go into much details but just look some introduction to the code A players from last season. Moletrap: Average. Yes he is really funny. But he interrupts DoA to much. Then he just repeats what DoA allready said. He misses really much of the ingame stuff, i.e. the third expansion in the MMA vs SC game. And of course the thing with the preparation like DoA.
In general they are all no bad casters otherwise the guys from gomtv would never picked them. Even if I call Moletrap average he is working to get better. So I would call this criticism on a high level.
I see a lot of hate going towards Kelly.... maybe because she's actually shoutcasting in the GSL and some people aren't?
I do not understand why anyone would have to rate shoutcasters, because you can't compare one shoutcaster to another. Yes, you'll have "bad" shoutcasters, but none of the above are bad shoutcasters, they are all excellent.
tasteless good (it's a casting duo, he's not inputting as much quality into the cast, it's how i feel at least - pretty hard one though, these two have been together for so long that it's hard to draw a comparison between them when it comes to how much they add to the GSL)
kelly bad to average, voted bad though, she got decent towards the end but nothing above average with a hint of distracting, cool attitude and research though, so nothing to take from the professionalism, just the actual ability to deliver the knowledge within the requirements of commentating sc
doa average, pretty funny at times, a bit bland commentaru, love his quirky personality though
moletrap good to excellent, voted excellent since he does bring a lot to the table and is very entertaining to watch; his jokes remind me a bit of tasteless too in that they're usually strange or horri-tasteless-bad but with a notch of awesome to keep things fresh. casting opposite of doa and having the work ethic from bw carry over are huge advantages though, so he can get even better.
On May 18 2011 21:49 KaRath_ wrote: I see a lot of hate going towards Kelly.... maybe because she's actually shoutcasting in the GSL and some people aren't?
I do not understand why anyone would have to rate shoutcasters, because you can't compare one shoutcaster to another. Yes, you'll have "bad" shoutcasters, but none of the above are bad shoutcasters, they are all excellent.
You ever heard the term White Knight? People rag on Kelly because they find her hard to listen to. To me she's worse than all TSL casters (D9, Husky, Wheat, Chill etc), all GSL casters, the Dreamhack Invitational casters (Apollo & DeMuslim) and some youtube casters so i personally wouldn't call her excellent.
My Rating's: Artosis: Excellent, Nerd god amongst men! Tastless: Excellent, LadderSlayer!! Kelly: Good, Got better as she became more comfortable Doa: Good, Hope he can hang around really enjoy his casts Moletrap: Good, Love his research/knowledge of the players, good caster aswell
I don't think this is all that relevant. Regardless of fan reaction, the casters will keep casting because as of now there's no one better willing to do it. Additionally, haters gonna hate.
Tastosis definately reigns over everyone else. Im so excited for Columbus just for the fact of seeing them. Their analysis is great and their banter is so hilarious. They are miles above everyone else.
I love Doa/Moletrap. I think they are both around good or the C to B range. They just haven't been together as long and dont have the connection that tastosis does.
On May 18 2011 21:49 KaRath_ wrote: I see a lot of hate going towards Kelly.... maybe because she's actually shoutcasting in the GSL and some people aren't?
I do not understand why anyone would have to rate shoutcasters, because you can't compare one shoutcaster to another. Yes, you'll have "bad" shoutcasters, but none of the above are bad shoutcasters, they are all excellent.
You ever heard the term White Knight? People rag on Kelly because they find her hard to listen to. To me she's worse than all TSL casters (D9, Husky, Wheat, Chill etc), all GSL casters, the Dreamhack Invitational casters (Apollo & DeMuslim) and some youtube casters so i personally wouldn't call her excellent.
There is no godamn excuse she's fucking bad, her voice and pronunciation is fucking horrendous: The two godamn keypoints on being a godamn caster. Get over it, seriously.
What is wrong with all her fans? Yes she loves games and YES that's great and yeah she wants to work in esports but NO she is not cut out to be a fucking caster. Point. There is no argument, the majority of people agree and I don't get why anyone would take this as a personal assult on her as a person? Jesus fuck we hardly know anything about her unless you've looked it up, I haven't looked up shit on Moletrap/Doa and I don't care, I care about their CASTING and they're atleast bearable, Kelly is NOT. Not for the majority of people and THAT makes her a bad caster.
Sorry for swearing but there's so much blind zealos fanboyism about this and sometimes these arguments will actually be taken seriously and I dread the day we have Kelly casting a IPL/NASL/GSL because her fans think she's a great person. She might be, she is not a good caster.
Rating casters as "Horrible" are people that have serious issues or are just spoiled by too much Tastosis. Moletrap is an excellent caster and they both make a great team. This poll is a bit inconsequential anyway as most people know that Tastosis will get mostly positive votes.
There is no godamn excuse she's fucking bad, her voice and pronunciation is fucking horrendous: The two godamn keypoints on being a godamn caster.
I'm betting 8/10 that the majority of people who are thinking above are native english speakings... Pretty sure most of us non native speakings understood her perfectly... and lets be honest, if to get better a language thats not your native, want to know whats the only solution? Practice it...
Tbh, there are more native english casters who annoy the crap out of me and make me want to go off streams then kelly... Yet those casters are seen as great casters by the native one's! Now explain that to me....
There is no godamn excuse she's fucking bad, her voice and pronunciation is fucking horrendous: The two godamn keypoints on being a godamn caster.
I'm betting 8/10 that the majority of people who are thinking above are native english speakings... Pretty sure most of us non native speakings understood her perfectly... and lets be honest, if to get better a language thats not your native, want to know whats the only solution? Practice it...
I have been speaking English my entire life, and I had very little problem understanding her. My theory is that people were so used to the voices of Artosis and Tasteless that a female voice threw them off.
There is no godamn excuse she's fucking bad, her voice and pronunciation is fucking horrendous: The two godamn keypoints on being a godamn caster.
I'm betting 8/10 that the majority of people who are thinking above are native english speakings... Pretty sure most of us non native speakings understood her perfectly... and lets be honest, if to get better a language thats not your native, want to know whats the only solution? Practice it...
Tbh, there are more native english casters who annoy the crap out of me and make me want to go off streams then kelly... Yet those casters are seen as great casters by the native one's! Now explain that to me....
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Most singaporean listeners don't like her either. She's now trying to cater to the Chinese casting community instead.
Kelly knowledge wise was fine, she is a master of many languages, however when it came to casting in English I found it very hard to understand her and some of her phrases made no sense. I am sure if she was casting in her native language and I was native at that language, then she would be good. Sadly as an English caster there are many I would prefer to listen to
Artosis wins by far IMO. He's smart, loves the game, has great enthusiasm and bountiful knowledge. Only improvement he could make is to switch back to Zerg but I guess I'm biased lol.
Keep up the good work Artosis. The GSL wouldn't be the same without you.
Well of course I love Tastosis,who doesn't, so excellent 4 them.
Voted good on Kelly and Doa,they're both very enthousiastic and u can tell by watching their casts that they love e-sports. Plus I don't have a hard time understanding her,so her accent is not an issue for me.
Not a huge fan of Moletrap though, I just find his voice kind of annoying and he interrupts his co-caster way too often . Maybe he's doing a better job in his solo casts, but I've never watched any of that stuff.
Which one is DOA and which one is Moletrap again? DOA is one with the glasses right?
I think they are both decent but for some reason they dont quite fit together, i thought it would improve but the one thing that brings my piss to a boil (ok maybe not that bad) is how often the one with the glasses interrupts the other one, the other one then just does this fake laugh but no doubt he is super annoyed at this point.
I get that some people have an issue with accents, but there are a lot of haters out there. Kelly seemed to know a lot more of the strategic aspects of the game than either Doa or Moletrap although I think I Doa and Moletrap seem to have a better chemistry.
Artosis: Excellent++. -- The King of Nerds, c'mon who doesn't like him?? Tasteless: Excellent. -- The husky voice of Tastless is needed in the Tastosis Archon! Kelly: Average. -- I didn't like her at first, but I thought she got a lot better as the season went on. DOA: Good. -- DOA does a good job casting. Moletrap: Excellent. -- I love his excitement, research and overall knowledge of the game. Best new caster in my opinion.
On May 18 2011 22:36 MoreFaSho wrote: I get that some people have an issue with accents, but there are a lot of haters out there. Kelly seemed to know a lot more of the strategic aspects of the game than either Doa or Moletrap although I think I Doa and Moletrap seem to have a better chemistry.
I personally can't enjoy a caster with that kind of heavy asian accent and who really shrieks when things heat up, regardless of how much game knowledge they have.
I'd actually be really interested to see a poll like this for TSL. I personally love it, apart from Chill who just annoys the shit out of me, for no other reason than the way he pronounces "out". I really can't stand it.
Tasteless got a mere average from me. He may have been good and a pioneer and I like him as a person (he seems to be cool at least), but his commentating isn't too outstanding.
Artosis best of all, Moletrap excellent due to crazy screaming and excitement, Kelly average.
Tastosis are just awesome, they really add to my enjoyment of the game and I'll happily listen to their banter in between games and stuff.
I think Doa and Moletrap are ok, they *could* be pretty damn good, if they just manage to synergise a little. I think Moletrap's excitement goes well with Doa's more laid-back sounding casting. The problems are that Moletrap does tend to interrupt a bit, and I think lots of Doa's jokes are soooo good - but Moletrap so rarely picks up on them.
DOA, Moletrap and Tasteless are usually wrong when commenting the game. They're more concerned with making things sound exciting than with giving the viewers insight into what's going on in the game.
Luckily for Tasteless he has Artosis which makes for a better team.
A good player such as DeMuslim or Artosis is a must in any caster composition, imo.
The thing about Tasteless is he is always very comfortable and never fake. Additionally, he knows how to set up an interesting dialogue with Artosis.
His occasional humor isn't awful, and when it is, it's not THAT awful. It's not like he's desperately hoping that someone, somewhere will laugh (like some casters with their jokes).
On May 18 2011 22:35 Tyree wrote: Which one is DOA and which one is Moletrap again? DOA is one with the glasses right?
I think they are both decent but for some reason they dont quite fit together, i thought it would improve but the one thing that brings my piss to a boil (ok maybe not that bad) is how often the one with the glasses interrupts the other one, the other one then just does this fake laugh but no doubt he is super annoyed at this point.
I think Moletrap is the one with the glasses and Doa is the tall guy.
I didn't like them until I watched the nuke video.
On May 18 2011 22:48 zarepath wrote: The thing about Tasteless is he is always very comfortable and never fake. Additionally, he knows how to set up an interesting dialogue with Artosis.
His occasional humor isn't awful, and when it is, it's not THAT awful. It's not like he's desperately hoping that someone, somewhere will laugh (like some casters with their jokes).
Never fake? I voted excellent for the guy because him and Artosis work together very well, but if you think that Tasteless the caster is the same as Nick Plott, I dunno what to say. Have you ever checked his Twitter lol?
The problem with Moletrap is he lacks very basic game knowledge and makes statements that are silly all the time while DOA is just too nice to correct him lol.
Also, Moletrap seems to just talk over/ignore DOA alot of the time seems like they don't have very good chemistry. However, besides that they are both solid casters.
moletrap- won't ever shutup doa- tells some joke that moletrap either doesn't understand or kills by going off on a tangent. Kelly- accent did her in, but she wasn't that bad, she's knowledgeable. Tasteless- sometimes just rambles on about the weirdest shit which isn't always bad but its not always good Artosis- Needs to be subjected to caster cloning program 101.
On May 18 2011 22:35 Kenderson wrote: I have trouble understanding why there are so many Tasteless fanboys. I just don't see it. He's good but not that good.
i think that has to do with tastosis. people voting in this poll are ofc thinking of different duos in GSL.
If Moletrap casted with say Diggity he would be considered better. Now that he is with Doa I think he is considered worse.
On May 18 2011 22:56 purecarnagge wrote: moletrap- won't ever shutup doa- tells some joke that moletrap either doesn't understand or kills by going off on a tangent. Kelly- accent did her in, but she wasn't that bad, she's knowledgeable. Tasteless- sometimes just rambles on about the weirdest shit which isn't always bad but its not always good Artosis- Needs to be subjected to caster cloning program 101.
Except for Moletrap I agree. He is actually pretty amazing.
Kellys "now you know how Grack fields" makes me laugh every time.
Kind of hard to vote... My opinion goes as follows: Artosis > Moletrap > Tasteless > DoA > Kelly. However neither is Kelly horrible, nor is any other caster of the level of Artosis.
Artosis is exellent, he knows the game and hes nice. Tasteless is good and very funny. Kelly is average, I just cant understand alat she says. Doa is average, pretty normal guy. Moletrap is horrible, I literally have to mute the stream if I want to watch code a, screams like a little girl hrrrrr. But I must say moletrap can be a good solo caster but with doa it just doesnt cut it.
On May 18 2011 23:02 JustPassingBy wrote: Kind of hard to vote... My opinion goes as follows: Artosis > Moletrap > Tasteless > DoA > Kelly. However neither is Kelly horrible, nor is any other caster of the level of Artosis.
1. Artosis - Excellent. Gold standard of casters, King Nerd. Artosis and Day[9] would still make the best casting duo ever
2. Tasteless - Good. Honestly, he's not that great by himself, but when paired with Artosis, their chemistry bumps him up to excellent. He sometimes goes off in really awkward tangents, but most of times sets up great dialogue between the casters.
3. Kelly - Horrible. Nothing against her casting content, but the accent is both distracting and grating.
4. Moletrap - Good. Great excitement, won me over with the whole 'the nuke is going to drop on his armeeeeee' bit.
5. DOA - Average. The two needs better chemistry between them and pick up each other's cues.
It appears that people like Artosis too much and undervalue what Tasteless brings to their epic duo.
The only reason Artosis is such a good caster is because Tasteless enables him to take the analytical side of the discussion most of the time. There needs to be an interchange between the two casters for things to line up truly well and Tasteless sets himself up as a platform for Artosis to stand on. Likewise, Artosis sets Tasteless up for some very humerous moments.
Lots of give and take between those two, but I would actually have to rate Tasteless higher than Artosis, both are excellent though.
On May 18 2011 20:20 Roffles wrote: Everyone but Kelly Milkies has been aight. Kelly was just a trainwreck. I just felt as if she didn't really bring much to the table in terms of casting. Restated co-caster comments, no fresh thoughts/ideas or random quibbles to keep me entertained.
Pretty much agree. She is the only caster that made me mute the stream so far. DoA/Moletrap aren't the greatest at analysing, but their random banter is quite entertaining if you don't take it too seriously.
Same here. I tried watching that season's Code A, sincerely, but it was just impossible for me. On top of that, she later admits she actually think's she was excellent and puts all the guilt on external factors (mainly, she pulls the racism & sexism card to belittle her shortcomings). That just made me lose any respect I had gained for her after noticing her great effort. Ah well, at least it's fairly certain she'll never get called back. I hope.
On May 18 2011 23:06 Jermstuddog wrote: It appears that people like Artosis too much and undervalue what Tasteless brings to their epic duo.
The only reason Artosis is such a good caster is because Tasteless enables him to take the analytical side of the discussion most of the time. There needs to be an interchange between the two casters for things to line up truly well and Tasteless sets himself up as a platform for Artosis to stand on. Likewise, Artosis sets Tasteless up for some very humerous moments.
Lots of give and take between those two, but I would actually have to rate Tasteless higher than Artosis, both are excellent though.
I think people are right when they say that Tasteless isn't all that great as a actual caster. He is awesome for the fun he brings but i feel that Artosis more or less brings 99% of the pure analytical sense in the duo.
On May 18 2011 23:06 Jermstuddog wrote: It appears that people like Artosis too much and undervalue what Tasteless brings to their epic duo.
The only reason Artosis is such a good caster is because Tasteless enables him to take the analytical side of the discussion most of the time. There needs to be an interchange between the two casters for things to line up truly well and Tasteless sets himself up as a platform for Artosis to stand on. Likewise, Artosis sets Tasteless up for some very humerous moments.
Lots of give and take between those two, but I would actually have to rate Tasteless higher than Artosis, both are excellent though.
I think people are right when they say that Tasteless isn't all that great as a actual caster. He is awesome for the fun he brings but i feel that Artosis more or less brings 99% of the pure analytical sense in the duo.
I have a dream that Tasteless will be as awesome as he was in the BW days :S Although that is quite the expectations for even a nerd god :S I love him anyways, I think he brings comic relief to the cast and knows when to let Artosis analyse and when to do Play-by-Play. TBH they are the best. Only team that comes close is a sort of mix between Day9's knowledge and charisma and Djwheat's professionalism and awesomeness.
d9/dj are great and there are a few others like diggity and what not who do well too. But lets face it, Tastosis are on the biggest stage
I like all of them, except the fact that DOA tries SOOO HARD to ape tasteless, acts exactly like him and it is just silly to watch him trying so hard to be someone else.
Tip to doa: Please be yourself and create your own style of casting, don't ape someone else!
tastosis good, the rest is bad. Tastosis got this nerdy humor that is funny and they provide good insight from time to time. Doa and moletrap have terrible humor, they seem to try and mimick tastosis too often, you even hear them saying stuff like: "I should be saying SO MANY BANELINGS now". It is just awkward to watch and they rarely if ever provide any great insight.
I miss the olden days of the GSL when Artosis and Tasteless casted every single game for GSL. But, it makes sense to give them a break with code A and team league and I have been mostly OK with whoever else they've had cast when Tasteosis doesn't. It was only after Tasteosis stopped casting some events I realized a large portion of why I watch the GSL is for them.
There is no godamn excuse she's fucking bad, her voice and pronunciation is fucking horrendous: The two godamn keypoints on being a godamn caster.
I'm betting 8/10 that the majority of people who are thinking above are native english speakings... Pretty sure most of us non native speakings understood her perfectly... and lets be honest, if to get better a language thats not your native, want to know whats the only solution? Practice it...
Tbh, there are more native english casters who annoy the crap out of me and make me want to go off streams then kelly... Yet those casters are seen as great casters by the native one's! Now explain that to me....
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I'm swedish, I speak english fluently without any accent or problem and I feel anger at any swede who does not do the same because it's such an obvious flaw and easily removed. It's not like it's a speech impediment, people just need to arse themselves to pronounce the godamn words right.
I'm not saying nobody understands her, sometimes not but mostly yeah we do, it's just horrendous to hear her call stim "steeeaam" or push "pooosh". Yeah practice it, she can do that outside the major tournaments that I fucking pay to watch. GSL is not a godamn training yard for casters.
Why does one exclude the other? Does me saying kelly is a bad caster make every other caster good? Ofcourse not, stop having the roundabound arguments: There are other equally horrid or worse casters, but they're not usually on the major tournaments and there is great reason for that. Also you didn't name a single caster that the "native" english speakers find great but annoy the hell out of you so what the hell are we suppose to explain to you?...
moletrap is blind. theres a game in the recent GSTL of a PvT on XNC and the protoss forcefields and kills off 4 units. he says protoss forcefields didnt do much and only killed 2 units. it's not that hard to say only killed off a FEW if ur not sure how many. other times he will say things like oh that attack did TONS OF DAMAGE but there was minimal...if u have an annoying voice at least try to have your content topnotch. and no more inane jokes plz.
Artosis and Tasteless are a great combo. They are always aware of what's going on and are lots of fun on top of that. Same goes for DoA and Moletrap. I feel like they miss some events from time to time, but for the most part are always on top of things. Certainly an entertaining casting duo. I remember listening to some of Moletrap's broodwar commentaries on youtube, which struck me as terrible, but I think he has improved greatly and I actually enjoy him. I don't remember with whom Kelly was casting but for some reason she didn't manage to grab me with her casting. She is simply not my taste.
Evaluating them individually is harder but for me it would be something like this:
When DOA and moletrap differs in opinion, you can see how they contest each other.... each one of them tries to be "right"er than the other.
You don't see this between Artosis and Tasteless, because Tasteless doesn't try to have opinions, he lets Artosis do the analytics of the game... Tasteless provides Artosis the opportunity to do so.
DOA and moletrap tries to one up each other... and I can sense how moletrap hates it. To me this is annoying. Both can't be humble enough to facilitate each other. When Doa opines, Moletrap just shoots it down, vice versa. Both of them are trying to do the same thing while Tasteless and Artosis comfortably snuggles each to their own role that's synergistic.
On May 19 2011 00:14 locilocisu wrote: When DOA and moletrap differs in opinion, you can see how they contest each other.... each one of them tries to be "right"er than the other.
You don't see this between Artosis and Tasteless, because Tasteless doesn't try to have opinions, he lets Artosis do the analytics of the game... Tasteless provides Artosis the opportunity to do so.
DOA and moletrap tries to one up each other... and I can sense how moletrap hates it. To me this is annoying. Both can't be humble enough to facilitate each other. When Doa opines, Moletrap just shoots it down, vice versa. Both of them are trying to do the same thing while Tasteless and Artosis comfortably snuggles each to their own role that's synergistic.
I perceive the exact opposite actually. I feel like they don't disagree with oneother enough. Especially, when both try to comment on a certain situation, DoA often times gives in to Moletrap's evaluation of the situation even though it is obvisouly wrong. I feel like DoA doesn't want to contradict Moletrap too often in order not to be rude (even though he would be perfectly right to do so). I completely agree with your assessment of Tastosis though ^^
Doa and moletrap are okay,but they can improve. The way they interrupt each other was the worst part, but seeing them in the gstl, moletrap seems like he actually acknowledges the presence of doa :D. They tend to miss a lot of things and don't seem to know a lot about the game, and are clueless about the strategies used, but then both aren't players so you don't really expect them to know about it. They aren't perfect, but I don't mind them, maybe more casting together and playing the game can iron out these flaws.
Doa is okay, he occasionally gets things wrong but i can deal with it. He isn't too bad at casting but tries a little too hard I think sometimes.
Moletrap gets annoying, he often says a lot of wrong things and jumps to conclusions way too often.
As said by posters before, I hate the way they try to undermine each other. I find that Moletrap especially tries to one-up Doa and corrects him as often as he can and ends up looking like a bit of a kid. I don't really feel that Moletrap has a deep enough understanding of the game to be in the position that he's in (im not saying that I would be better.)
Kelly - She was okay, I didnt mind her casting but thats because she was alongside Tasteless <3 (and Artosis)
I disagree, moletrap is consistently interupting DOA. Its almost like he needs a mute buttom at times. He just starts interupting and talking time after time.
On May 19 2011 00:43 purecarnagge wrote: I disagree, moletrap is consistently interupting DOA. Its almost like he needs a mute buttom at times. He just starts interupting and talking time after time.
Yeah, although his casting isn't bad, at times he seems to be plain rude.
Kelly was okay, doa to me just seems very average, I have nothing against him, but he also doesn't excel in any way. Moletrap brings the excitement I miss with tastosis. Tastosis always calms down pretty quickly and just says "It's over, gg any moment, I don't know what he thinks he can do from here" while Moletrap keeps the excitement up, in a non artificial way that is. It really hypes you up for the games. Maybe Tastosis and Moletrap could do triple commentary, I feel like they would complement each other very well, but three is also quite a lot of people at once, certainly would have to find their flow for a while.
On May 18 2011 23:06 Jermstuddog wrote: It appears that people like Artosis too much and undervalue what Tasteless brings to their epic duo.
The only reason Artosis is such a good caster is because Tasteless enables him to take the analytical side of the discussion most of the time. There needs to be an interchange between the two casters for things to line up truly well and Tasteless sets himself up as a platform for Artosis to stand on. Likewise, Artosis sets Tasteless up for some very humerous moments.
Lots of give and take between those two, but I would actually have to rate Tasteless higher than Artosis, both are excellent though.
Not sure about that, have you seen Artosis' Youtube? I love his solo casting, even though of course he is much better with Tasteless. I don't think Tasteless would do as well on his own, based on when each of them were paired with Kelly, Tasteless basically had to solo cast and didn't do a great job.
I think Moletrap and Kelly would actually make a great combination for Code A. DoA is more like a placeholder than a caster--he just meets expectations without exceeding them.
If I had to give a piece of advice or criticism to one person, Doa, please stop trying to be funny. It just feels so forced. When you are actually 'in' casting the game you're fine, but man the awkward forced jokes.. no mas, no mas.
Excellent Excellent Average Average Average don't want to see the day (2020's) where there is not artosis and tasteless amusing the big crowd (make me sad to even think about it)
On May 18 2011 23:02 JustPassingBy wrote: Kind of hard to vote... My opinion goes as follows: Artosis > Moletrap > Tasteless > DoA > Kelly. However neither is Kelly horrible, nor is any other caster of the level of Artosis.
Moletrap > tasteless? whaaaat !
Well, moletrap seems to know more about the players than Tasteless does. Both seem to know not enough about the game to shine by analyzing the gameplay.
Both have a deep history of casting: Tasteless officially casting big tournaments apart from the most prominent leagues in Korea and moletrap (illegally) casting the games of those prominent leagues on youtube.
Tasteless's cast can be incredibly funny, moletrap's cast can be amazingly exciting.
Artosis - Excellent! He's amazing. But I feel he needs to be with tasteless to do his best because they just work sooooo well together. We've seen him cast with other casters like Chill and I think DJ Wheat on TSL and he was still good but he seemed a little bit off.
Tasteless - Excellent! Same reasons as Artosis though, if he's with somebody else I think he drops down a little bit, but when they are casting together they are both excellent.
Kelly - Bad! But, I feel this is a giant preference. I personally thought her game analysis was very poor as well as it was just way to hard to understand her when she'd start talking too fast since she has such a major accent. If people were use to her accent and could understand her easier I could see her being Average or Good, still doesn't change the fact I thought most of her analyzing was god awful. Lucky she's a girl because if she was a guy Gomtv wouldn't of chance her a chance.
DoA & Moletrap - Average, Both DoA and Moletrap could jump up to excellent or good I think if they just kept casting together a lot. They both could be stellar casters but since they are still kind of new casting with each other there are many awkward moments as well as pauses in their casting that just doesn't feel right.
Both seem to know not enough about the game to shine by analyzing the gameplay.
Tasteless is a progamer who has not played for a while, its just his mechanics that are not up to part. so please don't try to think radically just to get everyone's attention. thats what i assume you are trying to do here. he was up there with huk and idra just 4-5 months ago.
moletrap and doa are on the verge of ruining games for me. they have no idea about builds--not even seeming to be aware of "spanishiwa style" enough to call it out in one of the games on terminus last night. i just mute them
They all seem pretty good to me. Of course, I have been listenign to moletrap for a very long time and it took me a while to get used to his style, but I find it very fun now. Doa I'm still getting used to. He's like an Artosis light.
Casting is all about the role each of the two plays. Pay close attention to the next thing you watch that is hosted by two people. There is almost always a setup that you may not have noticed.
One guy it loud, friendly and mostly shouts about the pretty things he sees, but overall doesn't know what the fuck is going on. That's Tasteless (Actually Tasteless knows his shit pretty well, not like Artosis, but this is still the role he fills).
The other guy is more quiet and reserved, but when he says something it is insightful and has a deep impact on how you view the game. That's Artosis.
When you match up two guys who don't know one another and they start commentating they won't fall nicely into a role right away. They'll interrupt one another as they both try to analyze the same thing, or both get distracted by the action and not catch something important. This happens all the time with DoA and Moletrap.
In the old days when Tasteless controlled the camera he had to focus on what people wanted to see, because he saw what they saw. This left Artosis free to look at engineering bays and the like. Naturally with this setup they fell into their roles quite well, and now they can fill the same roles with someone else manning the camera.
Sure, they probably talked and agreed beforehand it was the better setup to have Tasteless focus on the action and Artosis the analysis, it plays to their personalities, but DoA and Moletrap are just two guys who don't know one another. They can't pull it off by winging it.
They either need to decide who gets which role, or GOM needs to hire people specifically to play one role or the other.
Tastosis - Excellent; everyone else is average or below average.
Nobody is questioning the effort...but there isn't that added draw. When I hear Tastosis, it adds additional interest. The other casters just don't have the draw at the moment. Maybe with additional practice they do in the future though.
Doa and Moletrap are average as casters go, but kinda raises the question why they're casting the biggest SC2 league in the world when a diamond scrub like me identifies moments of importance in the game better than they do. That said, they both have pretty great casting voices, and their passion kind of makes up for their lack of knowledge.
Tasteosis is awesome, pretty much the standard for a casting duo. I miss the days when they divided up their roles a bit clearer, but I still wouldn't watch the GSL without them. Like the two of them both too much, and Artosis's game knowledge is probably superior to even day9s at the moment.
Kelly? Least game knowledge and most difficult to understand voice. Game knowledge becomes somewhat irrelevant when I feel as if I'm watching a cast in a foreign language. I just mute it, same as I did watching Broodwar vods.
I don't think any of GSL casters are awful but Tasteless and Artosis have kind of set a standard that really only Day9 + Chill or Day9 + DJ Wheat can compete with.
On May 18 2011 23:02 JustPassingBy wrote: Kind of hard to vote... My opinion goes as follows: Artosis > Moletrap > Tasteless > DoA > Kelly. However neither is Kelly horrible, nor is any other caster of the level of Artosis.
Moletrap > tasteless? whaaaat !
Well, moletrap seems to know more about the players than Tasteless does. Both seem to know not enough about the game to shine by analyzing the gameplay.
Both have a deep history of casting: Tasteless officially casting big tournaments apart from the most prominent leagues in Korea and moletrap (illegally) casting the games of those prominent leagues on youtube.
Tasteless's cast can be incredibly funny, moletrap's cast can be amazingly exciting.
At least that was my train of thought.
The problem is Moletrap tries to know more about the players, but he tells a lot of stuff that is not correct. The positive thing is, he is working on it (the whole twitter thing). Tasteless on the other side doesn't care about this stuff, because he has Artosis. Thats one of the reasons why they are called the casting archon.
@DoaSC erik lonnquist Back to the US on Friday. No, I wasn't fired. In fact I plan on coming back soon IF all goes well. Plenty to cast in the NA scene though!
Guess we're getting a new caster to go with Moletrap soon.
On May 18 2011 16:18 CustomKal wrote: Order for me was:
Excellent Excellent Bad Excellent Excellent
The only reason I put bad for Kelly was because it is just so hard to understand it. I have a large enough issue understanding anyone with a reasonable accent, and she just makes it unbearable for me (may have something to do with my slightly hearing deficiency). Personally I really like moletrap and doa because they both bring an insight to the game, and moletrap I feel brings a korean style commentating, but in english of course.
And who can't love Tastosis XD.
isnt that an issue with you rather than her? Not trying to be mean or anything, but if you can't hear someone then why would you blame them?
I blame them because I can understand every other caster no problem in the GSL. The fact that her accent is so thick, and she is doing English commentary is a problem. English commentators have to be able to speak clear English, thats just the way commentary works. Until she is practiced enough in English to speak without an accent, I don't think she should be an English caster. By all means the rest of her casting is fine and thats why I didn't put horrible.
On May 18 2011 16:54 Drygioni wrote: I like all of them, although tastosis are the best ofc. Kelly had decent game knowledge and denied a high 5 to artosis, doa makes D&D references and moletrap is all around funny guy.
Should put jason lee in the poll for lulz.
"slip a cannon in you backyard" anyone? or something simliar xD
I don't like DOA or Moletrap casting to much nothing against them either but just not to my taste. They don't really add much to the games they are casting in my opinion.
Kelly was really smart and understood zerg players really well. She also understood protoss openers very well too. I can see how many cant get past her accent, but if you like analytic casters she is great. She is also animated, so she does a great job in my opinion.
Doa, on the other hand, tends to cut Moletrap off and is wrong a lot. Personally, I dont like his humor either. I do hold him to the standard of Tastetosis, but he is clearly the worst of the 5 casting english GSL.
excelent - 99% of the time he's right average - very lucky artosis is there to correct him politely. Tasteless used to be the funny one in the relationship, but I think Dan's humor as of late has surpassed Tasteless' bad - game knowledge is a little lacking at least the last time I saw her commentate. average - He's no artosis, but he's improving a lot so I can't hate on doa. good - surprisingly good for someone I'd never heard of. Again... he's no artosis
I'm a big fan of some player casters. I think IdrA and Sheth do a great job as does Day9. TSL finals was awesome and Chill does a really good job. Go day9!
Artosis and Tasteless are sometimes the only reason why I watch the GSL. But the other casters in the poll I haven't watched that much of, so I decided not to vote on them.
This thread is really just flame baiting, but all I want to really say is that there are some casters that make me watch a match even when I have no other vested interests in it or the players - only Tastosis consistently does that for me. Day9 and some euro combinations of TLO/DeMu/Rotterdam/Khaldor aren't too bad also.
Side note: I'll miss DOA, I really felt that he was underrated as a caster.
On May 18 2011 16:12 KMARTRULES wrote: Anyone who votes horrible or even bad are either trolls or have really high standards, all the casters have done a great job.
On May 18 2011 16:12 KMARTRULES wrote: Anyone who votes horrible or even bad are either trolls or have really high standards, all the casters have done a great job.
Have to agree with this.
We have such a high standards for the commentators because it's the biggest league with the best players, and it has a monthly fee. We want the best out of it, and nothing besides tastosis is really getting me to watch it.
I used to watch every single code a and code s vod, but this season I couldn't even watch the code a final, because they just annoy/bore me with their commentating. After so many seasons with tastosis, it's no wonder nothing compares quite as much, and that is the problem Gsl have right now. Us viewers have been spoiled for so long with tastosis, and everything else just doesn't compare and lessens the entire viewing experience.
This teamleague for example has been much less entertaining for me, and it's entirely because of the quality of the casting. If I had known they wouldn't use tastosis at all, I might not have bothered to pay for it at all, and that would've been my first GSL thing I wouldn't have paid for.
I voted DoA horrible because he just tries too hard at everything that he shouldn't, being funny, creating catchphrases, referencing other catchphrases, while not trying hard enough to create a good back and forth with moletrap, have requisite match knowledge or anything. He reminds me too much of Napolean Dynamite too. I just don't know why people like him are popular, he's so remarkably unremarkable when it comes to casting, it's like he was chosen precisely because the reaction to Kelly was that violent that they wanted someone who couldn't possibly cause offense but now they're keeping him on despite it being obviously awkward as shit. Moletrap is equally responsible but at least he's a good hype man when it comes to battles and whatnot and actively tries to improve instead of pretending that he does while never changing.
Enough can't be said about how Artosis and Tasteless are the best commentating duo by far.
If I wasn't used to Tastosis I would say Moletrap and DOA are great casters but I just don't get anywhere near as much enjoyment out of them as I do the Tastosis casts.
I have paid for every GSL / GSTL since season 2 and was set on paying for this new GSTL until I realised it was Moletrap and DOA doing the casting. Because of that sole reason I decided not to bother to pay to watch any of the games. It's a shame because I feel Tastosis have given me such a high expectation of casters I can't enjoy those who are not on the same level.
Another great commentating duo is Demuslim & Rotterdam, the next best thing to Tastosis. and i'll also happily watch any commentary including Day9 or Idra.
On May 19 2011 05:49 timbo wrote: Enough can't be said about how Artosis and Tasteless are the best commentating duo by far.
If I wasn't used to Tastosis I would say Moletrap and DOA are great casters but I just don't get anywhere near as much enjoyment out of them as I do the Tastosis casts.
I have paid for every GSL / GSTL since season 2 and was set on paying for this new GSTL until I realised it was Moletrap and DOA doing the casting. Because of that sole reason I decided not to bother to pay to watch any of the games. It's a shame because I feel Tastosis have given me such a high expectation of casters I can't enjoy those who are not on the same level.
Another great commentating duo is Demuslim & Rotterdam, the next best thing to Tastosis. and i'll also happily watch any commentary including Day9 or Idra.
I really don't understand how people can be so invested in the casters that they don't even watch great games just cause the casting isn't done by Tastosis. Also the money spend is so little that i bought a ticket for the regular May season even though i didn't watch any matches. It's for esports and the development of the GSL so i'll happily pay those few dollars just to support them.
Some people have higher expectations for casters than others. Both might agree that a caster is average in a poll like this. But one might think for the big picture, the caster is actually bad, and needs lots of improvement, while another might think their bad as well, but acceptable and therefore will rate higher.
Originally I was not much into DoA. But frankly he's grown on me more and more. I feel Moletrap and DoA are forming a better bond too. Which helps the chemistry of the cast.
If they stay on together. They could be called the MD cast. Or maybe "Do-Trap" ? Mole-A? IDK. I'm sure as a community we could come up with a more definitive and agreeable nickname for the duo.
Edit: Also I'd like to see KlaZart + Diggity casting combo next up.
Tastosis is great. Them and idra are the best casters bar none, imo.
Kelly wasn't that bad, but I guess that's just because I'm used to listening to all kinds of accents. Her game knowledge is greater than DOA and Moletrap.
DOA and Moletrap are unwatchable for me. Moletrap has an extremely high-pitched voice and yells constantly, and DOA says a lot of jokes, which are funny because they aren't funny, but really doesn't bring much knowledge to the game.
really love tasteless and artosis, i know a ton of people have posted this already but i really feel like they're head and shoulders above any other casting duo. i actually watch starcraft on mute most of the time and when i unmute it its usually because they're casting the game. i really feel like they add a lot to the viewing experience.
great job guys
edit: btw i think idra is second best, he's the only other caster i really enjoy listening to
On May 18 2011 16:15 ihasaKAROT wrote: Fix Kellys poll, I dont think 'his' commentary makes the game better...
terrible.
were you grinning/laughing when you decided to post this?
i laughed because you are so desperate to bash somebody that you sat on TL and found the most bashable person there currently is, and your insult was fucking retarded.
On May 18 2011 16:54 Drygioni wrote: I like all of them, although tastosis are the best ofc. Kelly had decent game knowledge and denied a high 5 to artosis, doa makes D&D references and moletrap is all around funny guy.
Should put jason lee in the poll for lulz.
"slip a cannon in you backyard" anyone? or something simliar xD
"IT'S GONNA BLOW THE WHOLE COMMAND CENTER"
(akward silence during a game while the terran is making Battlecruisers - lol - against IdrA) "uhm..... battlecruiser .... " (back to awkard silence)
"how do you deal with a protoss who try to slip his cannon in your backside ?"
But seriously what I really liked about Jason Lee is that he was effin professional with the interviews even when he lacked game knowlegde almost completely.
I really would have liked to see a Jason Lee paired with someone such as IdrA... and in fact, they did a cast together and it was oh so incredible.
Regarding the votes: Artosis: Excellent Tasteless: Excellent Kelly: Bad - this is due to reasons already mentioned such as accent plus the fact that I found her annoying, I know that it's not objective so I'm just gonna leave it at Bad. Doa: Average - the guy is not bad but can still improve Moletrap: Excellent - he's great, the only thing I regret is that I don't feel he makes a good co-op with Doa... not blaming it on either side thought.
On May 18 2011 16:15 ihasaKAROT wrote: Fix Kellys poll, I dont think 'his' commentary makes the game better...
terrible.
were you grinning/laughing when you decided to post this?
i laughed because you are so desperate to bash somebody that you sat on TL and found the most bashable person there currently is, and your insult was fucking retarded.
i think you don't understand him... He just wanted to turn the "his" into a "her"...
On May 18 2011 16:15 ihasaKAROT wrote: Fix Kellys poll, I dont think 'his' commentary makes the game better...
terrible.
were you grinning/laughing when you decided to post this?
i laughed because you are so desperate to bash somebody that you sat on TL and found the most bashable person there currently is, and your insult was fucking retarded.
What? He's talking about that the poll refer's to kelly via "his", when it should be "her."
Unless I totally misunderstand you, I believe you are just misinterpreting his post.
As for the casters, I like each caster for different reason. Do I have a favorite? Of course I do! That doesn't mean others can't shine in their respective areas.
I think Tastosis is very good... no surprise there.
Personally I enjoy Doa's laid back humor, I think he adds a lot of entertainment with it. I feel that if the same jokes were coming out of Artosis or Tasteless' mouth people would be praising them for the jokes (though they already are hilarious.. I am not saying Doa is funnier. hopefully my point was clear), but everyone has to look down on the other casters so.. yea. I never thought too much about Moletrap but I don't think he is awful.
On May 18 2011 16:12 KMARTRULES wrote: Anyone who votes horrible or even bad are either trolls or have really high standards, all the casters have done a great job.
Have to agree with this.
No they haven't. It's subjective you commie.
Let's put it simple and easy for everyone to contemplate; If Kelly was a fairly average looking guy from the same country as she is from, he would just be a guy with a bad accent, subpar analyzing (she thought 200/200 infestors were going to fungal drones instead of just mass infested terran and kill the whole godamn expansion etc etc), bad pronunciation and 1000% less white-knight nerds who defend her for no reason.
Yeah she does her best and yeah it's all good and dandy, do it somewhere else not at the major tournaments. I'm not trolling here or trying to be mean, but in all godamn honesty, if kelly wasn't a girl nobody would give two shits and there had been no one to vote "Excellent" on the poll for her.
On May 19 2011 05:49 timbo wrote: Enough can't be said about how Artosis and Tasteless are the best commentating duo by far.
If I wasn't used to Tastosis I would say Moletrap and DOA are great casters but I just don't get anywhere near as much enjoyment out of them as I do the Tastosis casts.
I have paid for every GSL / GSTL since season 2 and was set on paying for this new GSTL until I realised it was Moletrap and DOA doing the casting. Because of that sole reason I decided not to bother to pay to watch any of the games. It's a shame because I feel Tastosis have given me such a high expectation of casters I can't enjoy those who are not on the same level.
Another great commentating duo is Demuslim & Rotterdam, the next best thing to Tastosis. and i'll also happily watch any commentary including Day9 or Idra.
I really don't understand how people can be so invested in the casters that they don't even watch great games just cause the casting isn't done by Tastosis. Also the money spend is so little that i bought a ticket for the regular May season even though i didn't watch any matches. It's for esports and the development of the GSL so i'll happily pay those few dollars just to support them.
Casters can make or break a broadcast. In college basketball, Exhibit A-Z is Dick Vitale. To put it lightly, he rarely brings anything useful to the table apart from slobbering over players and saying "PTPers" or other random catchphrases designed to annoy. Sure the game is unaffected if I mute the TV, but then I'm losing the rest of the sound as well. Wouldn't it be something if we could mute casters as a choice?
Now of course that's never gonna happen for college sports, so I doubt we see that in the SC2 world either. But my point is that casters can very easily damage/undermine the viewing experience. I think the issue is that the bar is set so high (either meet Tastosis or exceed) that no casting duos have much of a chance of meeting those expectations.
Now there are clear omissions to the thread at hand (no mention of TSL casters, who are excellent), so let's not get carried away here. We are just discussing the GSL casters at the moment.
I voted "average" for Moletrap and Kelly, both for different reasons. Moletrap talking over Doa really gets on my nerves some times, and it may be a chemistry thing between the two (a lack of respect from both sides, perhaps?). At times, Moletrap seems unresponsive to Doa's (bad) humor, and as a casting pair he should at least acknowledge it. Kelly's accent could be aggravating at times, true, however the more I listened to her the better I understood her and the easier it became. Also, Kelly never really developed a lot of chemistry with either Templar in the casting Archon, so it was a bit rough to watch, similar to Moletrap and Doa.
I respect Moletrap for the amount of work he's put in for the Broodwar community and for his efforts in casting games in English. I think Kelly is breaking some great ground for a female caster, and will continue to improve and possibly find a parter she has good chemistry with. Doa seems daft at times, but he has the casting 'thing' down despite terrible puns and sometimes annoying commentary.
Personally, I'm really happy that the foreigner scene has come so far that we can now debate which casters we like and don't like, and have a real choice in the matter. We were lucky to have a trailblazer like Tasteless in Broodwar.
EDIT: Someone mentioned DeMuslim and Rotterdam. A good casting duo with a strong friendship outside the studio. Many hearts and much enjoyment!
On May 19 2011 06:28 Krehlmar wrote: Yeah she does her best and yeah it's all good and dandy, do it somewhere else not at the major tournaments. I'm not trolling here or trying to be mean, but in all godamn honesty, if kelly wasn't a girl nobody would give two shits and there had been no one to vote "Excellent" on the poll for her.
Yes and no. Kelly kind of has the problem of all girls who're involved in male-dominated video games, which means that reactions to her are polarized. Some people hate her extra because she's female, and some people defend her beyond reason for the same reason.
That said... I made my votes and noticed that my opinions seem to be perfectly in-line with the results of each poll. Funny, that.
On May 18 2011 16:12 KMARTRULES wrote: Anyone who votes horrible or even bad are either trolls or have really high standards, all the casters have done a great job.
Oh c'mon man, I think we can all be a little more open minded than that...
Personally, Tastosis beats all, while Doa and Moletrap are both very good. I don't think Kelly is bad, but I don't think that she adds very much to the game either.
On May 19 2011 06:37 bellhop wrote: I voted "average" for Moletrap and Kelly, both for different reasons. Moletrap talking over Doa really gets on my nerves some times, and it may be a chemistry thing between the two (a lack of respect from both sides, perhaps?). At times, Moletrap seems unresponsive to Doa's (bad) humor, and as a casting pair he should at least acknowledge it. Kelly's accent could be aggravating at times, true, however the more I listened to her the better I understood her and the easier it became. Also, Kelly never really developed a lot of chemistry with either Templar in the casting Archon, so it was a bit rough to watch, similar to Moletrap and Doa.
I respect Moletrap for the amount of work he's put in for the Broodwar community and for his efforts in casting games in English. I think Kelly is breaking some great ground for a female caster, and will continue to improve and possibly find a parter she has good chemistry with. Doa seems daft at times, but he has the casting 'thing' down despite terrible puns and sometimes annoying commentary.
Personally, I'm really happy that the foreigner scene has come so far that we can now debate which casters we like and don't like, and have a real choice in the matter. We were lucky to have a trailblazer like Tasteless in Broodwar.
EDIT: Someone mentioned DeMuslim and Rotterdam. A good casting duo with a strong friendship outside the studio. Many hearts and much enjoyment!
Good analysis of it. Moletraps commentary isn't so bad but his excitement combined with his voice sort of gets a bit on me. His screaming is really unappealing, and his chemistry with DoA has shown to be continually bad. I thought it would get better but it really hasn't over time.
Obviously I do believe 99% of us would want Tastosis to cast all the matches, but currently the Code A casters are just fine. People should really face it that you're rarely going to get the chemistry that Tastosis has because they've known each other for what? 18 years? But also we do have Day[9], JP, DJWheat who seem to gel pretty well together and interchangeably which is quite impressive. The issue is they're the foreign top casters and Tastosis does Korea and apparently this MLG. Perhaps though GSL should test putting Tasteless and Artosis paired with one of the Code A castings to see if they improve greatly, but as for right now they're not bad, and if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Who in their right mind would give Artosis anything but Excellent? If he is "only" good then who IS excellent? I can only assume people who rate him as horrible are trolls
Moletrap and DOA are pretty good, I liked Day9/Chill co-casting at the TSL more, but I know they'll never be together to do Code A in the GSL.
Tastosis is by far the best, I wish they could cast every game. I was really disappointed when I started watching the GSL Team League and they were not casting. They add so much to the game, and their knowledge is really good, and they have good chemistry.
Kelly had pitiful knowledge of the game and the players by comparison to the other two, and often times saying something that is wrong or lacking basic understanding of build orders; which was unacceptable to me.
If nothing changes for next, Tastosis does Code S, Moletrap/DOA do Code A, I'll be satisfied and purchase my ticket again.
Well.. I think this poll confirms that the complaints about Kelly's casting was not from a "vocal minority" as some people put it to make her feel better. I mean the super-haters that spammed her and sent her threats certainly represents a minority but hot damn the number speak for themselves....
If I wasn't used to Tastosis I would say Moletrap and DOA are great casters but I just don't get anywhere near as much enjoyment out of them as I do the Tastosis casts.
I feel Tastosis have given me such a high expectation of casters I can't enjoy those who are not on the same level.
Another great commentating duo is Demuslim & Rotterdam, the next best thing to Tastosis. and i'll also happily watch any commentary including Day9 or Idra.
Aside from ranking Doletrap as "good" instead of "great" if I wasn't used to Tastosis, I agree with all of timbo's post here a full 100%.
I don't know why every is crapping on Kelly. Her biggest problem was poor enunciation when she gets excited. Her SC knowledge is about the same as Doa and Moletrap. If she fixes her english so she is more easily understood by a western audience, she would probably be better than Doa
Good poll. The only thing it's missing is the synergy of casters. While Artosis and Tasteless are both great individually, the Tastosis archon is greater than the sum of its parts. Meanwhile, I found Doa + Kelly to be a decent combo, but Doa + Moletrap is a complete trainwreck.
Artosis: Excellent Tasteless: Excellent Kelly: Good DOA: Average molecrap: Horrible (I refuse to watch Code A, up & down & gstl because of him)
While i like that molecrap makes some research & that he's trying...But some people are just annoying no matter how hard they try and molecrap is one of them...
Artosis is just the legend of passion for Starcraft. When i think about Starcraft, his voice comes into my head, even though i learned most about the game with Day9. Tasteless can be annoying but in general i find him good to listen to. KellyMilkies, well i'm just glad that i never watched when she was casting. Doa is just average. Doesn't make the game more interesting or so. Moletrap has got some passion, but he's not on the analytical level i'd love him to be.
I really love DeMuslim as a caster.
Maybe my dream combination would me Artosis + DeMuslim, allthough that would be so freakin awkward in the beginning.
moletrap is the best and he is akward and a bad caster and i don't see why people even like him. DoA is alright though. and kelly at least knows about starcraft more that DoA and Moletrap put together. they always say someone is doing a strat and it is obvious they are not even thinking about that. they say someone is going for a all in when they are building an expo. they just are not very good at casting
Interesting poll, although I think it's important to consider experience.
Go back 6-10 months and I think you'd find Artosis/Tasteless ranking similar to Doa/Moletrap right now. The casting archon has improved a ton since their first GSL.
15% think doa is horrible or bad 19% thinks MT is, MT seems too polar to be a caster for GSL it seems you love him or hate him and not as much in the middle, and for such a large fanbase i think thats a bad type of caster. MT and DoAs stats in this dont seem bad but considering what they are representing, the viewer appreciation should be much much higher
I voted excellent for Tastosis, average for Kelly, good for Doa.
Moletrap I can't stand at all though. I've muted all the way through code A, sadly, I tried to like it but in the end I gave up. I suppose that I'm the minority though, and I can live with that.
On May 19 2011 08:23 Carkis wrote: 15% think doa is horrible or bad 19% thinks MT is, MT seems too polar to be a caster for GSL it seems you love him or hate him and not as much in the middle, and for such a large fanbase i think thats a bad type of caster. MT and DoAs stats in this dont seem bad but considering what they are representing, the viewer appreciation should be much much higher
Moletrap has more excellent votes than horrible, his top 3 voted are are the positives and the mediocre option, which does not seem polarizing to me. 1/5 of the people voting not enjoying 1 of 2 casters casting in the "lesser" part of the tournament ain't too bad. According to these votes he is the best GOM has been able to produce for Code A casting after tastosis stopped doing it. If though this is polarizing, it seems better to me to have someone 81% are ok with or really enjoy, other than someone being just mediochre.
^^^ Not in the GSL casters survey thread, which shouldn't surprise you
On May 19 2011 08:25 Techno wrote: Wheres Gretorp and InControl?
and the more amatuers CatzPajamas and Diggity.
High time we did a poll on all the casters: AskJoshy Totalbiscuit HD Husky DJWheat JP maybe the european dudes at european tournies like IEM maybe even occasional casters like Idra and TLO
On May 19 2011 08:25 Techno wrote: Wheres Gretorp and InControl?
and the more amatuers CatzPajamas and Diggity.
High time we did a poll on all the casters: AskJoshy Totalbiscuit HD Husky DJWheat JP maybe the european dudes at european tournies like IEM maybe even occasional casters like Idra and TLO
Demuslim+Apollo are my favourite duo There also guys like Khaldor+Mana (lol) Best solo caster though is Day9
On May 18 2011 16:12 KMARTRULES wrote: Anyone who votes horrible or even bad are either trolls or have really high standards, all the casters have done a great job.
I hate ketchup (tomato sauce), i think its disgusting and i refuse to ever eat it. I think its Horrible. 99.99999% of people would disagree with me.
Everyone has different tastes and opinions and every opinion is a valid opinion. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong/in-valid.
I voted
Excellent Excellent Horrible Average Average
Anyone in the Code A casting job is better than having Kelly back so id be happy to live with Doa + Moletrap there but i do hope they try some more casters.
Jason Lee is the best caster for GSL.. Professional and good play by play style even though he has absolutely no knowledge of SC2... Man he actually makes StarCraft2 look like an actual e-sport like the way the Koreans does it. Artosis and Tasteless just talks about Pokemon and Dragonball Z does put the scene off from becoming bigger. At least Jason Lees puts the professional flow into the scene constantly, even when he just wears a blizzard shirt he even looks so much like a proper commentator than the casual look with a blazer.
It's sad that the other casters coming into GSL are following the Tastosis approach to commentating. If SC2 is to become big around the world and not just Koreas (ie: Televised on FOX etc..) then I assure you when this day comes the commentators will not make references to Pokemon/DragonballZ or jokes about the word Jobber or even saying that their nipples are frozen because its so cold.
Put in Jason Lee and Artosis as the analyst and there you go you have quite a decent commentary team.
Moletrap and DOA both try to do both each others job. I got no idea who is Play by play and analytical caster and it seems both of them are trying to hog the microphone and fighting over it, then venting their frustration by mocking their partners on air. They both could be good but need to set the grounds straight.. WHO IS THE analytical and who is PLay by play... Get it done and get it straight.
Artosis and Tasteless, decent overall, but can be immature. Clearly needs experience to flow from camera shot on them to in game shot.. Jokes can be a bit "wtf at time" and going off topics I am always like "why are u talking about bears, beers etc, just so random)
On May 19 2011 10:38 Chill wrote: ? Why wouldn't you just PM the OP of the other thread and ask him to add these polls? Are we going to have a BW casters survey next? How about IEM casters? French casters?
My point is, please just PM the other guy to add these polls to his thread.
This is in regards to my closed thread which is related to this thread.
Well, adding to the other thread (ie this thread) would have made the first post incredibly long. Plus the title and polls in this thread are regarding GSL casters. Adding the names of non-GSL casters would be off topic and would mean having to change the title and the content of the whole thread.
Artosis and Day[9] are my favorites because of that rare combination of game knowledge and boundless energy. They really make the game live through themselves. For the same reasons I also really like Khaldor.
Artosis rulez. :D In fact, I think Gom would benefit if they work with him on more than just casting; like higher organizational matters of their leagues.
Doa and Moletrap are all great casters. Doa and Moletrap work because i appreciate the dry humour, and random bad jokes mixed in. I think Moletrap has a very good insight, and Doa casts the actions very well. Tastosis are better because they've casted together for longer, but i think those 4 casters are excellent and it should stay that way.
Artosis is the best in my mind, absolutely no question. I've liked his commentaries since he was doing RWA's back in BW (10 points for anyone that knows what I'm talking about!)
The problem I have with moletrap is how copied his style is from other casters. It seems like the style of half of what he says can be traced back to either artosis, tasteless, or day9. And he has the issue of not listening to what his co-caster is saying, and thus he interrupts jokes/important points constantly. Last, his game analysis is often very wrong, but it's hard to fault him for this when the only person who does it right consistently is artosis (though I think Kelly has better game analysis than him).
The problem with mole and doa is the constant interruption and lack of flow. they are constantly, always, interrupting and stepping on each others toes. it is absolutely horrible. it is non stop. just chatter.
I think these polls show that those incessant whinings come from a very vocal minority...
I just watched GSTL semifinals and was throughly entertained by everything: the casters, the games, the production, the drama. And for those people saying they won't be getting the pass because of the casters: A huge middle finger for all of you, your loss.
I have nothing against kelly, I simply don't understand her often and I don't find her input to be particularly valuable. I agree with a lot of people that the tastosis combination is the equivalent to an ESPN sports commentary. It's really become my standard for casting and I can't find myself settling for less. Incontrol and idra are not bad, I enjoy the insights of the professional players.
I've enjoyed the casters each in their own way. Tasteless and Artosis are the best, partially out of nostalgia and partially because nobody else has both their chemistry and their game knowledge.
Kelly's accent is impenetrable for many, but I actually handle it OK personally, and I find her game knowledge to be better than that of Doa. This may be some retrospective though with some of the recent predictions on the direction a game would take by Doa that were just way off. (He said something about drop play fading out over time, like somehow it isn't just a constant cornerstone in SC, among a few others)
Speaking of Doa, I think he's a good foil for Moletrap and he can learn the game better in his time away from Korea. I won't object if he's brought back.
Lastly, Moletrap's enthusiasm and his brood war cred have earned quite a bit in my book. I like that he's animated and loud and does so while being understandable. I hope he anchors whatever pair is handling Code A in July.
Artosis: A+. Clearly has a genuine passion for the game and knows his stuff, in addition to being funny and having a good voice. Tasteless: A-. He's still the Tasteless I loved from the GOM Star Invitational in BW, but I just can't help but feel like he's not as passionate about SC2 as he was about Brood War. Still, great caster, funny guy and works together great with Artosis. Kelly: D-. I can't understand her accent, simple as that. Doa/Moletrap: C. I admittedly haven't been watching Code A/GTSL for a while, so I haven't heard much of them, but from what I saw I'd say average. Been watching Brood War mostly.
You know who else was a fun caster, IdrA. I'm not even an IdrA fan (not an anti-fan either, just sort of ambivalent about him), but he was a good caster when he subbed in.
Tastosis works together so well because of their combined nerd wit + combined understanding of the game/metagame, among other things.
Doatrap takes these two main things and does they both kind of average/subpar. Moletrap truly seems to understand the game pretty well most of the time, but when Doa fails at something gamewise or even makes a bad joke, or just one Moletrap maybe doesn't get/like, he doesn't seem to try to smooth things over much. Doa on the other hand, really tries his hardest and his enthusiasm shows. His failings instead come from a lack of understanding of the game at a high level and basic history with players and things. And also just a lack of receptiveness from his co-commentator and some of his audience towards his (what i would call) more akwardish nerd humor. I'm from MN so I hate to say it but to shine when trying to follow the "Tastosis" model of casting, you kind of need to be really knowledgeable or really funny, and IMO Doa doesn't excel too much at either. Again, to me the duo would be average/subpar.
Kelly was certainly the worst caster we had IMO. She had a great attitude, and seemed to be passionate about the game, which is commendable. But it's really not enough to hit the big stage (If it was, I don't see a reason why I shouldn't be able to go to Korea and cast the GSL -_-). Her lack of game knowledge was pretty bad, and would often times make simple real-time analysis mistakes, whether she was simply nervous or w/e. Her casting style was different, probably because she is used to casting a game like HoN. While the "Tastosis" method isn't necessarily the only method that can work, you still need to have something that does, and Kelly didn't bring it. Basically a poor understanding of the game mixed with a poor understanding(pronunciation, w/e) of English for a primarily English casted stream are the main reasons the job really doesn't seem right for her.
If we wanted to see something different, I personally would really like to see Diggity get more attention on these bigger scenes. He's different, by far the most professional sounding, and seems to have an impeccable eye for whats going on in the game. Even if he wasn't up to date with what the current metgame was, (which he could be or not depending on how much he folllows the scene) I still believe he has other cor strengths and a unique style which would make up for that.
didn't vote, but yeah, tastosis is only good together. Artosis brings the critical analysis, the man knows his shit, and tasteless brings the hilarity and excitement.
DoA and moletrap are both good, but I don't they have great chemistry.
As for Kelly, she's aight. I just think her voice irritates a lot of people.
And you forgot Jason lee? Maybe I have his name wrong, and Idra. They casted together, and had very good chemistry. Idra just knows so much about the game.
Moletrap definitely gets an "excellent" vote in my book. The only one that I gave anything less than "good" was to Kelly, I gave her an "average" vote. 'Cause she wasn't all THAT bad, plus sometimes her interactions with the other casters were pretty awkwardly cute and humorous.
On May 18 2011 16:13 Lyter wrote: I voted in order: Excellent Excellent Bad Average Good
Same order for me. But for me, I think that Artosis and Tasteless together is better than them seperate. They have really good chemistry together. Kelly's english wasn't that great so that was probably one of the only reasons I rated her as bad. She has more game knowledge than me but it was difficult listening to her cast. Doa is alright and I like Moletrap's intensity with the games.
i think more time/ experience would make moletrap+doa better. They dont yet have the chemistry that the archon has and they have some awkward moments, but i think if they were given time and practice together they would be great for code A.
I honestly don't like moletrap. He has decent actual commentary but I just can't stand his voice. I know there is nothing he can do about it but his voice just makes me cringe.
Also, is it just me or does it seem like he is a complete dick to Doa?
I feel like DOA doesn't get much of a chance to speak.
Moletrap either: -talks over the top of DOA -completely ignores what DOA says
I feel a bit sorry for him as it is quite apparent at times that he has to go back into his "shell" a fair bit because of the way Moletrap likes to take control.
That being said, DOA you make terrible jokes man T_T
On May 19 2011 13:54 Spectorials wrote: I feel like DOA doesn't get much of a chance to speak.
Moletrap either: -talks over the top of DOA -completely ignores what DOA says
I feel a bit sorry for him as it is quite apparent at times that he has to go back into his "shell" a fair bit because of the way Moletrap likes to take control.
That being said, DOA you make terrible jokes man T_T
One of these days his puns are gonna give me brain cancer. Still love the guy though, he tries hard (albeit a bit too hard) and it seems like he legitimately likes to commentate. I think Moletrap is a bit overpowering because he obviously has a lot more experience in the casting scene but I think they are starting to gel a bit. Moletrap also has a bit of fanboy syndrome which is completely understandable considering he gets to cast people like Nada and Boxer after being such a huge BW fan.
On May 19 2011 13:54 Spectorials wrote: I feel like DOA doesn't get much of a chance to speak.
Moletrap either: -talks over the top of DOA -completely ignores what DOA says
I feel a bit sorry for him as it is quite apparent at times that he has to go back into his "shell" a fair bit because of the way Moletrap likes to take control.
That being said, DOA you make terrible jokes man T_T
I agree with the talking over and ignoring thing.
Excellent Excellent Bad Good Bad/Average (Because of the reasons above)
On May 19 2011 13:54 Spectorials wrote: I feel like DOA doesn't get much of a chance to speak.
Moletrap either: -talks over the top of DOA -completely ignores what DOA says
I feel a bit sorry for him as it is quite apparent at times that he has to go back into his "shell" a fair bit because of the way Moletrap likes to take control.
That being said, DOA you make terrible jokes man T_T
+1 to this, apart from the terrible jokes, they're always fantastic :D slowverlords ftw.
I'd say
Excellent Excellent Good(Used to her casting SEA cups pre-GSL, that and i don't understand at all why people complain about her accent, it's not that noticeable) Excellent Bad
I love polls the reveal a silent majority, in this case people that are neutral or favorable to the current code A casters. Those 5% and 12% that hate doa and moletrap respectively seem to write up well over half the posts.
On May 19 2011 14:49 akomatic wrote: I love polls the reveal a silent majority, in this case people that are neutral or favorable to the current code A casters. Those 5% and 12% that hate doa and moletrap respectively seem to write up well over half the posts.
Very good observation ... which was voiced by Chill on the last Weapon of Choice as well. Only the critics have an urge to post something and thus the threads tend to be more negative about certain people.
Personally I like Doa and Moletrap very much, even their jokes arent worse than the ones which Tastosis made in seasons 1 and 2. I used to complain about that a lot, but they have improved. Too many kids are "entitled casuals" who expect perfection right from the start and never notice that it takes time and effort to form a great team. It reminds me of those companies who only want to hire those 25 year old university graduates with 7 years of experience in the job and without the urge to train these people themselves to suit their needs.
Every native English speaker who cannot understand Kelly's accent seriously needs to think about either hiring an English tutor or getting their hearing checked.
On May 19 2011 14:52 ShooTouts wrote: Im kind of confused... is the poll starter is just a random poster or is he from GOM TV ?
Not much to be confused about, just a TL user wondering what TL thinks of each caster through the polls. You can tell if someone is from GOM from their logo beside there name generally or they will just state it beforehand.
There's really no comparison in my opinion; Artosis and Day9 are by far the best "foreign" sc casters in the world, they are leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else.
The other casters are either trying too hard to be funny and/or simply lack basic knowledge of game mechanics (strategies, tactics, actually understanding what's going on etc.)
Doa is so super dull and boring. His "jokes" are very lame and makes the casts very awkward. Hes got a great voice for commentating, but hes not very charismatic or interesting. Also hes always making the wrong calls due to his weak knowledge of the game.
Moletrap is very aaannoying. His scrappy high pitch voice makes it unbearable. Hes always talking over Doa, and ALWAYS over exaggerating on situations of the game, due to alwayssss his superbly weak knowledge of the metagame and trends.
Together, they create very awkward and low quality casts.
On May 18 2011 16:33 bennyaus wrote: Moletrap and DoA have less game knowledge than Kelly, or at least Moletrap seems to. This for me puts them behind, regardless of whatever accent gripes you have. I felt that DoA/Kelly combination could've been excellent if left to ripen.
Excellent, Excellent, Average, Average, Bad.
Agreed with this. Moletrap and DoA are good at keeping the chatter flowing, but they so rarely say anything interesting. They really need to improve their ability to assess the game and catch important moments.
On May 19 2011 15:18 Fubi wrote: Part of casting isn't just about each individual casters, but about their chemistry and co-operation
Doa and Moletrap are both good casters individually, but they really lack the chemistry that Tastosis have.
Everytime I listen to Doa + Moletrap, it sometimes feel like they're fighting to talk, or just create really awkward moments
It's harder for Moletrap and DOA cause they both come from casting alot solo on youtube. I think they already have and will continue to get pointers from GOM about not talking over eachother and not interrupting eachother. It'll get better for sure.
On May 19 2011 15:38 UndoneJin wrote: Kelly just doesn't speak proper English. Why should anyone who doesn't use English as their 1st language cast for those who do?
On May 19 2011 14:52 ShooTouts wrote: Im kind of confused... is the poll starter is just a random poster or is he from GOM TV ?
Not much to be confused about, just a TL user wondering what TL thinks of each caster through the polls. You can tell if someone is from GOM from their logo beside there name generally or they will just state it beforehand.
thanks ... I guess confused wasn't the correct word just more curious than anything
I enjoy watching Tastosis. They make watching fun, though lately I would like Artosis to focus a bit more on analysis, but only because he is very good at it.
DOA I did not like at first, but he's grown on me. He's a little bland but steady and he's improving. He just needs to find his own style.
Kelly I liked, though I can see why people may have problems understanding her. I work with a lot of people in Asia and didn't have a problem with her accent. Her enthusiasm about the game was notable and she did her homework on the players which is something I wish DOA and Moletrap would work on more.
Moletrap. Man, I really want to like him, but I just can't. His jokes are painful and not in the good way that Tasteless' are and he talks over DOA constantly. Not good. I could not watch the last games of Code A in May, it was just too much. I'll give him another chance, but by the end of the season it was just getting worse for me.
Overall, the casting has been top-notch and I'm sure that over time the chemistry between the casters will continue to improve so it's not a deal-breaker for me.
I don't understand the hate for Moletrap. He actually understands the game unlike Kelly and Doa. Kelly has an annoying voice, and Doa keeps trying(and failing) to be tastosis.
just throwing my opinion in, sorry if the sentiments have previously been expressed as i skimmed the previous 18 pages. Tastosis has been together for years, as far back as i can remember/google around 2008, and they have chemistry between them because of this. Especially since the onset of the GSL they've had to do it daily at points, what everyone seems to forget is that Doa and Moletrap have been casting together for just over a month so of course they havent created the chemistry that Tastosis has. Even if you look at Gretorp and iNcontrol they are in the same situation, and only time will make transitions and the dead space between games go more smoothly. Its unfair to compare Tastosis and Doatrap head to head at the moment in terms of chemistry, the right thing to do is give Doatrap constructive comments that will improve their casting, of course if you hate one of their voices then they cant really change that as much as some may wish. Either way im just happy we have an english stream and the ability to watch these great matches regardless of the caster and i'll continue to chip in money to watch
Honestly All other casters fail to compare to tasteless and Artosis, I have zero interest in code A/ any other tournament because simple play by play casting is boring and obvious (IMO) Tasteless and Artosis not only give me the play by play but they keep me laughing and engaged on their words as well as teach me why ppl are doing what and not simply telling me that they got it.
Tasteless showed me how to play and improve on BW and let me climb the Iccup ladder and now he is back with Artosis literally giving explanations on builds that give me trouble in master league. If Gom replaced them they would lose 1 viewer.
I mostly enjoy tastosis because they are not really "nerds", they are handsome nerd ballers. Tasteless is a true nerd who knows about games and such, but he shows off as a person whos cool and strays away from the stereotypical "nerd". I also heard he knows how to party hard. When you hear moletrap, it just sounds nerdy to anyone new to video game casting. When you hear tasteless, you just gayfortastless
On May 19 2011 16:26 koolaid1990 wrote: I mostly enjoy tastosis because they are not really "nerds", they are handsome nerd ballers. Tasteless is a true nerd who knows about games and such, but he shows off as a person whos cool and strays away from the stereotypical "nerd". I also heard he knows how to party hard. When you hear moletrap, it just sounds nerdy to anyone new to video game casting. When you hear tasteless, you just gayfortastless
I really don't understand how people can find a guy who's both a nerd and a heavy party guy so frigging cool. He's fun but the amount of hype and pure adoration from fanboys sometimes freak me out.
On May 19 2011 16:26 koolaid1990 wrote: I mostly enjoy tastosis because they are not really "nerds", they are handsome nerd ballers. Tasteless is a true nerd who knows about games and such, but he shows off as a person whos cool and strays away from the stereotypical "nerd". I also heard he knows how to party hard. When you hear moletrap, it just sounds nerdy to anyone new to video game casting. When you hear tasteless, you just gayfortastless
I really don't understand how people can find a guy who's both a nerd and a heavy party guy so frigging cool. He's fun but the amount of hype and pure adoration from fanboys sometimes freak me out.
Ah, the art of being a fan my man. If idra asked me to jump off a bridge I'd do it in a heartbeat.
I find myself really hating DoAtrap lately. It's not really logical, they're not bad casters by any stretch, but it just feels as if they've robbed me of the awesomeness that is the GSTL cast by Tastosis. So now every horribly bad joke by Moletrap or stupid call by Doa just pisses me off that much more.
Sorry you guys, you probably don't deserve the hate but I can't help it.
tastosis is great. maybe it's just, that I'm used to them, but their commentary is simply the best (out of the GSL casters at least).
artosis really knows the theory behind pretty much everything. tasteless has a lot of experience casting and is well rounded commentator.
but please... cut down on the gay and nerd stuff. that's just weird and embarrassing. I kind of miss the jokes tasteless did in back in the days. gom TV classic etc. there were way more awesome metaphors, statements and overall jokes. And it seems like he did something with his voice^^
kelly. sorry, but I just hated the voice and the accent. she said in an interview, that she could do a LOT of accents. the why the hell did she always talk in that weird high pitched, sqeaging asian accent. and not the cute kind of accent, the I wanna stuff my ears with wax kind of accent.
doa is ok. good voice, no crap and a decent amount of knowledge. i disliked moletrap so far, but that's just personal preference. so I voted average.
All i remember of one doa + moletrap cast is that a very intense battle was going on and one of them just screamed some loud, voicecracking and not unterstandable crap. This riuned the game for me completely, since then i have never watched them again.
Does anyone happen to know why Tastosis has taken the backseat for the GSTL and let Doa and Moletrap cast the whole thing? I miss Tastosis so much!
Tastosis both = 10/10 excellent Doa = 7.5/10 better than average Moletrap = 4/10 pretty exciting commentator just does not work well with others all in all pretty bad for GSL.
Tastosis is amazing simply put. To be honest i just cant understand Kelly a lot of the time and it means i don't get anything from her at all. Doa and Moletrap have their moments but to be honest i don't like their style at all and in fact have hardly watched GSTL or only watched it on mute because of this. Each to their own of course.
Artosis is an all round good caster I have a personal distaste for tasteless (lol?) He doesn't really add much to the casts and has a particularly dry sense of humour Kelly, sorry girl you dont know enough about the game to get casting a top tournament like the GSL Doa is a fairly average caster, knows what he is talking about some what, however he doesn't really give me as much inspiration as Artosis does Moletrap, again is a very average caster
On May 19 2011 19:32 Astans wrote: Kelly's game analysis is pretty good. I think people rate her wrongly because of her english/voice.
Not really, they rate her poorly because the option is "Horrible (takes away from the game)" Many people out there, me included, rely on casters being accurate and knowledgeable about the game. When you get a caster like Kelly slurring words and showing poor general knowledge, it really does take away from the game. I think she could be good, but right now she is not even close to ready for prime time.
I also don't understand how the "defense" of "they just don't like her voice/accent" is a valid retort when her voice and accent are extremely different from, well, every other caster that is in those leagues. (And not in a good way)
Casters rely on their voice being pleasing and non-intrusive in most cases to relay the information they know. You have to think about the big picture here, they need to capture a vast range of players. If you only attract a small niche then you just aren't the right choice for the task.
Really like Doa better than Moletrap, got a nicer voice and is not screaming.
On May 19 2011 19:01 Jonny55 wrote: Tasteless + Artosis > Any other casting combo ever. I'm not even watching the GSTL because it's done by bad commentators.
I personally think that if you watch for the commentary instead of watching for the game, you're watching the wrong stuff. Go watch a comedian or something.
The GSTL has superawesome games, way better than normal GSL.
On May 19 2011 19:32 Astans wrote: Kelly's game analysis is pretty good. I think people rate her wrongly because of her english/voice.
Not really, they rate her poorly because the option is "Horrible (takes away from the game)" Many people out there, me included, rely on casters being accurate and knowledgeable about the game. When you get a caster like Kelly slurring words and showing poor general knowledge, it really does take away from the game. I think she could be good, but right now she is not even close to ready for prime time.
I also don't understand how the "defense" of "they just don't like her voice/accent" is a valid retort when her voice and accent are extremely different from, well, every other caster that is in those leagues. (And not in a good way)
Casters rely on their voice being pleasing and non-intrusive in most cases to relay the information they know. You have to think about the big picture here, they need to capture a vast range of players. If you only attract a small niche then you just aren't the right choice for the task.
I agree, saying she's got good game knowledge like it's the only required skill for a caster is pretty flawed. She could have Artosis level analysis and i would still cringe att the slurry pronounciation and the shrieking whenever something interesting happens ingame.
Yeah, tasteless is there to keep artosis down to earth.. but they are really the best combo out there at the moment imo, always loved moletrap vods back on BW, maybe i even like his solos better then his duos with Doa, not that i hate doa but i dunno...
.I think Moletrap and diggity could be GREAT ! maybe put moletrap with incontrol, or even chill... that would be some good laughs.
Tasteless and Artosis are the only commentators so far that are suitable for commentating competitions of GSL level.
Others are just not in that category at all. As I said in the other thread, GOM just didn't take this issue seriously enough - their selection of backup commentators makes as much sense as inviting a Diamond player into Code S.
I watched every pre-GSTL 3 because of Artosis I didn't watch GSTL 3 because of no Artosis
I feel a little bad giving Kelly a horrible vote. It's not because of her demeanor or her voice, I simply can't understand her half the time, and that's a horrible thing on an English stream.
On May 19 2011 23:08 Lemonhead wrote: I watched every pre-GSTL 3 because of Artosis I didn't watch GSTL 3 because of no Artosis
I feel a little bad giving Kelly a horrible vote. It's not because of her demeanor or her voice, I simply can't understand her half the time, and that's a horrible thing on an English stream.
You should probably be watching because of the games, not the casters. Too bad too, cause you missed an amazing GSTL.
Tastosis is awesome and probably the best duo out there but I didn't give them an excellent just because there is not really a very large pool to pick from. I can't tell if I really like them or just like them because they commentate like 90% of the things worth watching.
Guys, you can stop defending her now. Polls show what the general opinion is. The general opinion is that she's not good as a caster for whatever reason. If you think otherwise that's fine, but I'd assume you already voted.
On May 19 2011 23:08 Lemonhead wrote: I watched every pre-GSTL 3 because of Artosis I didn't watch GSTL 3 because of no Artosis
I feel a little bad giving Kelly a horrible vote. It's not because of her demeanor or her voice, I simply can't understand her half the time, and that's a horrible thing on an English stream.
You should probably be watching because of the games, not the casters. Too bad too, cause you missed an amazing GSTL.
In a way this is true but if the game suck the caster are there to make it seem amazing to the public so if there are no good casters casting it well makes the games just look bad so in a way GSTL was ok i mean Tasteless....funny lol
After watching the GSTL finals, especially the game on Metalopolis, I find the results of the survey pretty surprising. I can understand the KellyMilkies haters (she's a girl and has a massive accent) but she is a class above Moletrap. Perhaps his excitement got the best of him but he seemed clueless as to what was going on in the game.
On May 19 2011 23:08 Lemonhead wrote: I watched every pre-GSTL 3 because of Artosis I didn't watch GSTL 3 because of no Artosis
I feel a little bad giving Kelly a horrible vote. It's not because of her demeanor or her voice, I simply can't understand her half the time, and that's a horrible thing on an English stream.
You should probably be watching because of the games, not the casters. Too bad too, cause you missed an amazing GSTL.
I watch the games because of the games and mute the sound because of the casters. Someone should actually make a survey about how often people watch tournaments without sound because of poor quality casters - I'm sure there's plenty of us.
On May 19 2011 19:32 Astans wrote: Kelly's game analysis is pretty good. I think people rate her wrongly because of her english/voice.
Is this not a fair judgement? If people can't understand her, she's failing as an English caster on a very basic level.
People can understand her, just very stubborn people choose not too. So they have a reason to hate her,
Why would anyone be stubborn and hate her anyway? -_-
You're just throwing around glaring generalizations about hate and stubborn people, it's just a loaded accusation intended to provoke even more pointless heated debates about this.
It's the only reason people get angry over this topic in the first place, not because they hate anybody.
On May 19 2011 19:01 Jonny55 wrote: Tasteless + Artosis > Any other casting combo ever. I'm not even watching the GSTL because it's done by bad commentators.
I think Doa and Moletrap need to play the game more, preferably as random so they can learn all the matchups. In the GSTL finals they weren't very good at analyzing the situation.
On May 19 2011 19:32 Astans wrote: Kelly's game analysis is pretty good. I think people rate her wrongly because of her english/voice.
Is this not a fair judgement? If people can't understand her, she's failing as an English caster on a very basic level.
People can understand her, just very stubborn people choose not too. So they have a reason to hate her,
take a small flaw, turn it into something huge. psychology 101.
Oh get over this attitude, it's as annoying to me as the other end of the spectrum with people who went ape-shit over Kelly...
There are a ton of people who have good reason not to like her casting, it's not because they're stubborn, it's not because they're dumb Americans, it's not because they're native english speakers or not native english speakers or whatever random fucking label you give them every other day of the week.
Her game knowledge was sort of questionable, even if she knew what she was talking about, she couldn't articulate it in a manner that wasn't distracting, her slurred speech, her awkward accent and her shrill voice made for an unpleasant listening experience, in addition, whenever something exciting was going on on screen, her voice became a shriek. Additionally, after the initial negative response to her casting, her attitude towards the response(at least the attitude the community saw) was rather disappointing and dramatic which resulted in people not liking her casting and subsequently some people not liking her attitude.
It has nothing to do with being stubborn, people found her voice distracting or annoying, they aren't stubborn for wanting a better casting experience, there are plenty of casters with light accents, or even somewhat noticeable accents, but they have something that either compensates or works with it, like a nice sounding voice, or amazing game knowledge and observation, or a robust vocabulary and flow of speech, Kelly had none of those...
There is no godamn excuse she's fucking bad, her voice and pronunciation is fucking horrendous: The two godamn keypoints on being a godamn caster.
I'm betting 8/10 that the majority of people who are thinking above are native english speakings... Pretty sure most of us non native speakings understood her perfectly... and lets be honest, if to get better a language thats not your native, want to know whats the only solution? Practice it...
I have been speaking English my entire life, and I had very little problem understanding her. My theory is that people were so used to the voices of Artosis and Tasteless that a female voice threw them off.
I have been speaking English my entire life too. I had some trouble understanding Kelly. The sound of her voice to me though is like nails on a chalkboard (kind of like that Fran Drescher lady from "The Nanny"). I don't know why exactly, but that's just how I felt listening to her. It was so distracting for me that I chose to stop watching Code A all together. I want a caster to make me more excited about what is going on than if I was just watching it as a replay. I want to hear high level insight into what is going on in the game. Tastosis gives me that. She was the polar opposite for me.
Tastosis- Excellent Moletrap- Good DOA- Average Kelly- Horrible
On May 19 2011 19:01 Jonny55 wrote: Tasteless + Artosis > Any other casting combo ever. I'm not even watching the GSTL because it's done by bad commentators.
Pfft... your loss man. Your fuckin loss...
Moletrap needs to become a better commentator or just go back to solocasting on youtube. the was good at that.
It's hard to believe that people who's first language is english couldn't understand kelly talk.. I think they're just bullshitting or else the majority of the people who watch the GSL speak english as a second language.
On May 20 2011 12:52 Buff345 wrote: It's hard to believe that people who's first language is english couldn't understand kelly talk.. I think they're just bullshitting or else the majority of the people who watch the GSL speak english as a second language.
It's not that anyone couldn't straight up understand her, it's that it took a little more focus than anyone wants to allocate to simply understanding caster, particularly when shit gets intense and she goes into shriek-mode. When she starts slurring her words, it takes some genuine effort to understand what she's saying, it's nothing ridiculous and in a conversation I wouldn't give a shit, but when you're supposed to be casting a game, it's noticeably irritating.
On May 19 2011 19:01 Jonny55 wrote: Tasteless + Artosis > Any other casting combo ever. I'm not even watching the GSTL because it's done by bad commentators.
Pfft... your loss man. Your fuckin loss...
Actually it's Goms loss compare this GSTL's views to the last 2 seasons. We aren't just a small minority.
Artosis: Excellent. Incredible game knowledge, great "energy". Even when the games suck im still very entertained when this guy is casting.
Tasteless: Good. Very close to excellent tbh, but i had to distinguish him from artosis somehow. Solid casting, very funny but could use some more game knowledge. Also "Tastosis" has like the best chemistry of any caster-team ive ever seen.
Kelly: Bad. What she said was not actually bad, but i can not help it if i find her dialect incredibly annoying. Sorry Kelly! :<
DOA: Average. Haven't seen too much from this guy, but when ive tuned in to GSL code A hes been OK i suppose.
Moletrap: Average. Pretty much the same as above (DOA).
I haven't been watching GSL lately, so I don't know how Moletrap and Doa are. Tastosis are incredible imo. They make a great team and are great at what they do.
I could understand Kelly's accent, but her voice was not too pleasing to the ears, to understate it. Sometimes she casted with some knowledge of the game, and other times not so much. Not particularly great imo.
It's pretty funny how people that defend Kelly more often than not take the road of:
She is a girl so you hate her She is foreign so you hate her She *insert stupid here* so you hate her
This is the main reasons people have issues with Kelly. Please note I say issues because nobody really hates her, that is just a convenient(but terrible) fallback for you to argue with.
She has a heavy accent, it is very noticeable She gets excited and her voice goes up in a high shrieking pitch She has very general and average game knowledge She very often speak in absolutes, she is predicting things wrong based on the information she has yet she will carry on this idea until the cows come home
Now don't get me wrong, i am not saying this just so i can bash Kelly, I'm merely pointing out the facts here. I think she could be a great addition to casters if she works on her English and game knowledge. And as far as i know from watching her stream, she is trying to improve and she is even taking English speaking lessons, clearly she is trying and that is great. If there is anything this community needs it's more females taking charge and showing that this is not a male only esport. It is just a bit unfortunate that the first girl to get a big break happened to also have some major flaws that the majority(please see the polls) say cannot be discounted simply because she is female and should "catch a break" for it. All in all, i hope that more girls do casting / pro gaming, it will do wonders for the community as a whole.
Moletrap looks like a cuddly little mole, he is adorable how can anyone not love him.
Artosis is probably the most passionate guy i have ever heard cast a game of starcraft, bar none.
Tasteless is funny, has great play by play and his analytical bits are picking up quite well. He is my favorite caster right now.
Doa has a lot to learn i think, his analysis is too often wrong, he too often say the wrong things. But he can only improve, and from watching him do Code A the first time with Kelly, he has noticeably improved.
If I was a producer and going to televise the western version of GSL on live tv.. I would not muck around with moletrap, doa. kelly or tasteless. Just put JASON lee and Artosis..
On May 21 2011 08:04 Bunnypanda wrote: It's pretty funny how people that defend Kelly more often than not take the road of:
She is a girl so you hate her She is foreign so you hate her She *insert stupid here* so you hate her
This is the main reasons people have issues with Kelly. Please note I say issues because nobody really hates her, that is just a convenient(but terrible) fallback for you to argue with.
She has a heavy accent, it is very noticeable She gets excited and her voice goes up in a high shrieking pitch She has very general and average game knowledge She very often speak in absolutes, she is predicting things wrong based on the information she has yet she will carry on this idea until the cows come home
Glad to hear someone sticking to the facts and not getting swayed by some laughably emotional sense of subjectivity.
On May 21 2011 08:04 Bunnypanda wrote: Moletrap looks like a cuddly little mole, he is adorable how can anyone not love him.
... nevermind.
(All joking aside, 3 of the 4 complaints you have about Kelly fit to Moletrap as well. >_>)
I like Artosis (Excellent) and I'm OK with Tasteless (Good) - would like to hear Artosis + Day9 though. These two will get double excellent
DoA = boring = bad.
Moletrap = Excellent. Not that insightful (he sometimes overlooks some things visible on the screen) but extremely entertaining. Plus he is the reason I started reading TeamLiquid this 2 years ago, maybe even more.
On May 21 2011 08:04 Bunnypanda wrote: It's pretty funny how people that defend Kelly more often than not take the road of:
She is a girl so you hate her She is foreign so you hate her She *insert stupid here* so you hate her
This is the main reasons people have issues with Kelly. Please note I say issues because nobody really hates her, that is just a convenient(but terrible) fallback for you to argue with.
She has a heavy accent, it is very noticeable She gets excited and her voice goes up in a high shrieking pitch She has very general and average game knowledge She very often speak in absolutes, she is predicting things wrong based on the information she has yet she will carry on this idea until the cows come home
Glad to hear someone sticking to the facts and not getting swayed by some laughably emotional sense of subjectivity.
On May 21 2011 08:04 Bunnypanda wrote: Moletrap looks like a cuddly little mole, he is adorable how can anyone not love him.
... nevermind.
(All joking aside, 3 of the 4 complaints you have about Kelly fit to Moletrap as well. >_>)
Haha, yeah i was just being funny with moletrap, i don't think hes a great caster at all. The high pitched shriek is what burns my brain. But he does look like a mole, there is no denying that. And i can sorta stand listening to him, because his voice is not horrible.
excellent for Tastosis because they just do everything and know a lot about the game.
Kelly was bad or horrible for lack of game knowledge and the voice was terrible
DoA I think is average, he doesn't know a lot about the game but enough to be just a caster not a commentator
Had to vote horrible for moletrap but maybe he should just be bad.
The reason is he often just takes over the cast and his knowledge of the game seems very limited. His voice isn't exactly easy to listen to either, leaving me muting the stream/VoD and playing the terran music and watching for myself.
He's not hopeless and can improve, but he seems to be more of a caster rather than a commentator.
I'll be looking forward to seeing if Wolf can fill the analytical commentator role that the code a duo lacks.
On May 26 2011 21:58 leecH wrote: i hope moletrap will stay to cast GSTL and Code A. he has a really cool and unique voice. he really is up there with my favorite casters.
also he is like the guy who knows all the stats. i really like that its like when watching soccer its like "he had a really good season blablabla".
i like!
You mean: " Moletrap is the guy who reads all the stats." I noticed that his knowledge on players is very poor actually and most of it comes from reading the stats that GSL displays before each match. Calling jookTo a bad player and making fun of him is just one example. People who actually had knowledge on jookTo predicted that he will put up a good fight vs Anypro.
Everyone has their flaws, some bigger than others.
Tasteless reiterates the same basic things so many times that it can get annoying.
Artosis early GSL casting was very biased (s1/s2 zerg whine), it still shows with his huge hardon for players like Nestea.
Kelly has a very thick accent and shrieks when there's action going down.
Moletrap talks over other casters, trying to one-up them.
Doa is a bit stiff, needs to loosen up a bit.
Day9 had the whole "Aha, mm, aha, yeah." deal going whenever the cocaster was talking back in the early tournaments.
I mean, people seem to focus on the bad things when all casters have them. Most of the kinks can be worked out with practise and some work i think. Really dislike people that don't give casters a chance before creating a royal shitstorm.
Give Wolf a few weeks to settle in then we can add him to this poll also. The "WolfTrap" dynamic was a bit different to what we've seen before and needs time to develop. A great start though, but then that's what you'd expect from a guy who's done a lot of casting before.
He's a bit like Tasteless in his style I thought, anyone else think that?
My casting Archon of choice would be DayTrap, Tastosis is alright but I would take Day[9] over Artosis for analyses and Moletrap over Tasteless.
That's not to say I think Tastosis should be removed from their spot as you have to give them props for getting out there and waiting patiently for their time.
Artosis - No contest, the guy brings amazing analysis to the table and does so in a way that brings a smile to my face every time.
Tasteless - Great play-by-play caster, although I do think he's a bit too stuck in his ways. Anyone who watching GSL often will notice him using the same jokes over and over. Ofcource he and Artosis still make for one of the best casting teams out there.
Kellymilkies - For some reason I really liked her casting. Her overexcitement helped me enjoy the games even more. I guess I'm one of the few who gave her a "good" vote.
Doa - Allround good caster, although analysis is probably his strong suit. Unfortunately he lacks the in-depth knowledge that Artosis has, but I still really enjoy his casting skills.
Moletrap - I love how he spends a lot of effort preparing for every match, making sure he has something to say about even the most unknown players. Unfortunately that's where it ends for me. I feel like he's trying too much to fill the role Tasteless has, and unfortunately he doesn't measure up.
Tastosis is great, even though I liked tasteless better with superdanielman back in the days. I used to not like Artosis at all, but he's grown on me because of his excellent game knowledge and overall casting style.
Moletrap, now that's a completely different story. He's just horrible. Doesn't even have the right voice for casting stuff. Even as a casual SC2 player I often notice him being completely wrong about really obvious things. Is it really that hard to watch the minimap and the supply count from time to time?
On May 26 2011 21:58 leecH wrote: i hope moletrap will stay to cast GSTL and Code A. he has a really cool and unique voice. he really is up there with my favorite casters.
also he is like the guy who knows all the stats. i really like that its like when watching soccer its like "he had a really good season blablabla".
i like!
You mean: " Moletrap is the guy who reads all the stats." I noticed that his knowledge on players is very poor actually and most of it comes from reading the stats that GSL displays before each match. Calling jookTo a bad player and making fun of him is just one example. People who actually had knowledge on jookTo predicted that he will put up a good fight vs Anypro.
sorry. who "reads" all the stats. of course a soccer commentators know all the stats so thanks to you we can shit on them officially. right? i just think he does a fairly good job at try to make it professional.
and every caster makes mistakes ffs. you just dont like him i guess and use a stupid mistake to make an arguement that he is a bad caster. i for example dont like painuser. i dont watch IPL because of it but thats my problem and i have no reason to pick littel stuff that he does wrong and make a statement on how bad a caster he is just because i dont like him.
everyone loves tastosis so they can make littel mistakes everyone still loves them but if your not tastosis you must be perfect or gtfo. sad.
There something about Moletrap that makes him somewhat of a mixed bag for me (if that's the term), but I don't think it's his casting skills (what he says) as much as something more superficial in nature that is his voice and looks? It's lame and primative so I feel kinda bad about it. I do not know if it's something that you'll get use to in time, though, as I haven't been watching him a whole lot. I vote average here.
I love tasteless <3 but it said i already voted in the second half of the poles when i did not. some kind of bug? someone stealing my votes. no one knows for sure but i intend to find out.
I know i'll get a lot of hate because of this, but, I really dislike the artosis bias.He doesn't even try to hide his bias, and don't pay attention at all at the other player.
I posted in this thread earlier about the 5 mentioned in the OP, but now I must say that if Wolf and QXC would keep casting together that would be AMAZING. They were working so well together, talked about the game, joked around, analytical. Plus they flowed very well together, probably because they are on the same team so are just very use to each other.
Artosis: 9/10 Excellent Tasteless: 2/10 Horrible (too much bad jokes and offtopic trashtalk) Kelly: 1/10 Horrible (sry but the accent is just to hard to understand) DOA: 6/10 Average Moletrap: 8/10 Good
WOLF AND QXC Oh man! Last night with them was amazingly awesome. Both players showed some amazing analysis and tons of jokes and puns and just presented the GSL in a very amusing and light way. They really showed the passion of the game through their casts together, and I'd love to see them again.
On June 29 2011 01:28 how2TL wrote: I'm really curious if people on sports forums, poker forums, or anything similar spend as much time talking about casters as people on TL do.
I mean, you're all so damn eager to not only criticize but do it in the most public and humiliating way possible.
I can't think of a single positive thing to come from this thread.
In sports and poker, there is more to see.
In sports you can watch the gestures and facial expressions of the players to read what they think. You can watch fans cheering for their team. In poker, you can watch how players play their hand and trash talk with each other.
In sc2, the caster plays a central role to make the game more interesting.
Artosis- 9/10 Excellent Tasteless- 8/10 Very good- Excellent Kelly 5/10 Average DoA 6/10 Average-good MoleTrap 5.5/10 Average Wolf 8/10 Very good Unstable 6.5/10 Good
Artosis has been quite consistent and high quality, and tasteless I find has been improving in great strides over the past year or so. The two of them being together probably makes them better than if they were with someone else. DOA/moletrap are just average, and moletrap's voice sounds a little annoying.
i dislike wolf. he's just awkward and creepy. his analysis is below average although he presents himself as confident in criticizing other players. i don't want to hear what he would've done every single game.
I think that grading casters based on a 5 point scale cannot accurately reflect their quality. Maybe a 10 point scale would be better, because I certainly do not think Kelly is horrible, average at least, but at the same time I do not think Moletrap/Doa are that good, although they are above an average rating.
edit: also, tasteless and artosis are not 10's by themselves, but are 10+ when casting together as an archon :D
Artosis is what an analytical caster should strive to be; He's got the right voice and enough experience to be "exciting" even when he's talking about something that really has little impact on the game, or that isn't likely to happen. IdrA has comparable, or even greater knowledge, but he doesn't have the same quality of cast because he takes a very dry perspective on doing so. I don't really know who to compare artosis to energy-wise though.
Tasteless isn't my favorite play-by-play caster. Husky and TB are much better at doing so IMO, because they don't get so far off-topic, and they don't recycle the same jokes quite so much. I'm not saying he's bad, I'm not even saying that he's "average" - I voted "good" but he's still not my favorite caster. Almost all the "catchphrases" used in the GSL drinking games are tasteless lines (except "so many banelings/here come the banelings") and to have that kind of predictability in supposedly the TOP casting duo around.... eh. I give tasteless a "good".
I really liked Kelly. Yes, she had an accent, but really if you can't understand her, I DARE you to go to college anywhere, and take a math/science/politics course. Your TA, or even your professor will be MUCH worse. I considered her easy enough to understand, and as a play by play caster she brought excitement to the match, even if she didn't have the best "understanding" - that's not her job. I would like to see Kelly come back to the GSL (i still watch some of her casting) if it weren't for the ridiculous number of nerds who hate on her. I gave Kelly a "great".
Doa was downright awful. When he came on, I stopped watching Code A for a while. His voice grates on my nerves, his analysis is not worth while, and he's behind for a play-by-play caster. This was the only 'horrible" vote that I gave, and I would not watch a match he was casting, even if it were between my favorite players.
Moletrap is average IMO. He's not the greatest caster, but he's definitely not a bad caster. I really can't complain about anything he did in GSL, but there are certainly areas left for him to improve in.
The Wolf solo-casts in the end of Code A last season were actually fantastic. I really enjoy wolf's casting, but he doesn't have much of a distinction in the analytical-color/pbp caster designation. He's a very middle of the road caster who, as FXO coach is delving more deeply into the analytical side, but can still stand there and do pbp work when his co-caster requires it. Wolf is the kind of guy that GOM needs to have casting code A if they're going to keep switching out his co caster, because while he isn't the greatest at anything just yet, he's extremely adaptable and he works well with other casters no matter their strengths, or even alone. Wolf would be the second "excellent" vote I would give out.
Torch... eh, I haven't heard much from him besides him casting team league with wolf the other day. It was certainly an awkward pairing, the two of them having no real chemistry or overlap, despite the fact that they had the whole "casters on opposing teams, rooting for FXO/ST" to build off of through the whole first game. Torch knows his stuff, and he's a decent caster in his own right, but he strikes me more as someone who should stick to solo casting.
QXC I only caught one game of last night. It was pretty average, but he needs to work on his game rather than his casting anyway (dt's =(). Qxc Hwaiting!
The problem I have with Unanimously all Code A casters is that they too often shit all over the players. They focus way too heavily on the negatives and mistakes that are being made, and sure I get that that stuff is important, but personally I think it makes the game less enjoyable. Tastosis really only harp on a mistake when it is truly truly bad, to the point of being game ending. If the mistake is not that bad one of them will say something along the lines of, "You know that was a blunder but I don't think It will matter too much in terms of the overall game". But most of the Code A casters well just talk about all the mistakes being made to the point where it seems like its all they talk about.
I don't watch these games to hear about how bad the players are, I watch because these are the best players in the world. I want their new and innovative strategies to be given a chance. I hate to be harsh, but these players certainly know more than the casters about the game. So I don't want to constantly hear players being denounced as terrible unless time has proven them to be terrible. Focus more on the positives and less on the mistakes and Code A casters will do much better. Also keep QXC because he is actually super smart and tells jokes that are actually funny.
On June 29 2011 01:28 how2TL wrote: I'm really curious if people on sports forums, poker forums, or anything similar spend as much time talking about casters as people on TL do.
I mean, you're all so damn eager to not only criticize but do it in the most public and humiliating way possible.
I can't think of a single positive thing to come from this thread.
In sports and poker, there is more to see.
In sports you can watch the gestures and facial expressions of the players to read what they think. You can watch fans cheering for their team. In poker, you can watch how players play their hand and trash talk with each other.
In sc2, the caster plays a central role to make the game more interesting.
I think the main difference is that Sports and poker on the outside are easy and basic to understand.
Starcraft 2 on the other hand is complicated and explanation of strategy is needed. The dynamics of each match-up and meta-game shifts need to be flushed out and articulated by the casters. Trying to explain why the 5 Rax reaper opening was the standard TvZ to someone without decent knowledge of Starcraft wouldn't be as easy as explaining why a Royal Flush beats other hands or why hitting a home-run is good for the team.
5 Rax reaper had a specific plan and abused certain aspects of the Zerg race. It was meant to put a ton of pressure on or just outright kill a Zerg player who built too few units. Now just think of a casual bronze to gold level player trying to understand Starcraft without commentators, without someone there to sit you down and explain the ins and out of the game.
I know I wouldn't be in diamond league if it wasn't for watching Tastosis feed me knowledge and insight as they cast the GSL for 5 months prior to me starting to play SCII. If Day[9] didn't make his "when to drone" daily for Zerg players I would still be a 2 base 30 drones Zerg who was too scared to stop making units until 200/200. Watching commentators analyze and crack jokes has made Starcraft II one of my favorite games to watch and play, and without them I doubt the community would be where it is today. My opinion on the Casters:
Tastosis has to be top dog. They have 7+ years of chemistry as friends and it has carried over well to Starcraft. They bounce off each other well and even when they don't, they make fun of themselves and crack jokes. If there is anything off-putting about them it is that they tell too many jokes (not a negative in my book) and that tasteless sometimes is repetitive and butts in. I actually am such a blind fanboy though so I can't see their problems.
I have complained about Kelly enough in the past. I don't think highly of her English or her game knowledge. I'll pass on her for now.
DOA seems to be nice, but seems a bit too shy for me. Might just be too straightforward and boring without enough analytical knowledge. Seems to be an above average play by play and average in-game knowledge.
Moletrap has amazing play-by-play, his excitement is genuine but his game knowledge is average. I'd think him + Artosis would be excellent to see.
WOLF just rubs me the wrong way. He looks like he is a bad guy in some movie to me. He makes fun of almost foreigner not on FXO and loves to talk about how Korea>ALL. Nothing outside of Korea is legitimate in the eyes of Wolf. Besides that blatant bias toward everything non-foreign, he has master league knowledge and decent play-by-play. He is an above average caster, I'm just biased against him.
On June 29 2011 03:18 Halcyondaze wrote: How dare anybody vote anything but excellent for Tastosis. They lead the way for casting and show everybody how it is done.
Maybe they started it all. But there are alot of Casters that are also good. Maybe we have to give them a chance.
On June 29 2011 03:18 Halcyondaze wrote: How dare anybody vote anything but excellent for Tastosis. They lead the way for casting and show everybody how it is done.
personally i dont see what the fuss about artosis is, and i cant listen to him talk about some of the best players in the world and citicise them when he failed to get into GM and failed hard in NASL
Tasteless is ok, i dont think his knowledge is perfect, but he seems to know about the players well and stuff.
personally i think no one comes close to day9. sure hes enthuastic :D shouting alot but i just think hes the best caster there is
On June 29 2011 03:18 Halcyondaze wrote: How dare anybody vote anything but excellent for Tastosis. They lead the way for casting and show everybody how it is done.
personally i dont see what the fuss about artosis is, and i cant listen to him talk about some of the best players in the world and citicise them when he failed to get into GM and failed hard in NASL
Tasteless is ok, i dont think his knowledge is perfect, but he seems to know about the players well and stuff.
personally i think no one comes close to day9. sure hes enthuastic :D shouting alot but i just think hes the best caster there is
"Yeah I can't listen to anyone commentate football unless they have a championship under their belt."
That way of thinking is just so flawed. People love Artosis because he provides hundreds of hours of content for SCII and he is THE best (second best?) analytical caster next to IdrA. Artosis lives breaths eats and sleeps Starcraft, and that dedication and humor has earned him a special place with most people watching the GSL.
GM was just from not laddering enough and thinking his MMR was higher than it was. NASL was because he switched races two months before that and he had to play at 4a.m. on top of an already busy schedule.
Wolf and QXC were really good together. I would love to see them as permanent code A casters in the future if they are able to. They had good synergy, kept things interesting and had some good insight on the games they were casting.
Artosis and tasteless sound like 14 year olds attempting to cast. I never understood how people find their immature attempt at humor funny. They are good at observing the match, but artosis especially acts too much like a 14 year old most of his casts.
On June 29 2011 03:18 Halcyondaze wrote: How dare anybody vote anything but excellent for Tastosis. They lead the way for casting and show everybody how it is done.
personally i dont see what the fuss about artosis is, and i cant listen to him talk about some of the best players in the world and citicise them when he failed to get into GM and failed hard in NASL
Tasteless is ok, i dont think his knowledge is perfect, but he seems to know about the players well and stuff.
personally i think no one comes close to day9. sure hes enthuastic :D shouting alot but i just think hes the best caster there is
"Yeah I can't listen to anyone commentate football unless they have a championship under their belt."
That way of thinking is just so flawed. People love Artosis because he provides hundreds of hours of content for SCII and he is THE best (second best?) analytical caster next to IdrA. Artosis lives breaths eats and sleeps Starcraft, and that dedication and humor has earned him a special place with most people watching the GSL.
GM was just from not laddering enough and thinking his MMR was higher than it was. NASL was because he switched races two months before that and he had to play at 4a.m. on top of an already busy schedule.
After that I can't take you seriously anymore. Every progamer is at that level if not higher. Just watch the HomeStory Cup. All the casters were at Artosis his level and most even higher.
On June 29 2011 03:18 Halcyondaze wrote: How dare anybody vote anything but excellent for Tastosis. They lead the way for casting and show everybody how it is done.
personally i dont see what the fuss about artosis is, and i cant listen to him talk about some of the best players in the world and citicise them when he failed to get into GM and failed hard in NASL
Tasteless is ok, i dont think his knowledge is perfect, but he seems to know about the players well and stuff.
personally i think no one comes close to day9. sure hes enthuastic :D shouting alot but i just think hes the best caster there is
"Yeah I can't listen to anyone commentate football unless they have a championship under their belt."
That way of thinking is just so flawed. People love Artosis because he provides hundreds of hours of content for SCII and he is THE best (second best?) analytical caster next to IdrA. Artosis lives breaths eats and sleeps Starcraft, and that dedication and humor has earned him a special place with most people watching the GSL.
GM was just from not laddering enough and thinking his MMR was higher than it was. NASL was because he switched races two months before that and he had to play at 4a.m. on top of an already busy schedule.
After that I can't take you seriously anymore. Every progamer is at that level if not higher. Just watch the HomeStory Cup. All the casters were at Artosis his level and most even higher.
On June 29 2011 03:18 Halcyondaze wrote: How dare anybody vote anything but excellent for Tastosis. They lead the way for casting and show everybody how it is done.
personally i dont see what the fuss about artosis is, and i cant listen to him talk about some of the best players in the world and citicise them when he failed to get into GM and failed hard in NASL
Tasteless is ok, i dont think his knowledge is perfect, but he seems to know about the players well and stuff.
personally i think no one comes close to day9. sure hes enthuastic :D shouting alot but i just think hes the best caster there is
"Yeah I can't listen to anyone commentate football unless they have a championship under their belt."
That way of thinking is just so flawed. People love Artosis because he provides hundreds of hours of content for SCII and he is THE best (second best?) analytical caster next to IdrA. Artosis lives breaths eats and sleeps Starcraft, and that dedication and humor has earned him a special place with most people watching the GSL.
GM was just from not laddering enough and thinking his MMR was higher than it was. NASL was because he switched races two months before that and he had to play at 4a.m. on top of an already busy schedule.
After that I can't take you seriously anymore. Every progamer is at that level if not higher. Just watch the HomeStory Cup. All the casters were at Artosis his level and most even higher.
This thread is about GSL casters for the most part. Homestory was laid back and had random people cast from day to day. Even if you want to include some of the pros, Artosis does a ton of research and keeping up with all the new builds and where they came from. Artosis actually casts full time to unlike all the pros you are talking about in the HomeStory (the only reason I actually put IdrA on the list is because he has been casting in a ton of different events... Homestory EGMastersCup, NASL, and he has done it for GSL too).
Also, starting off an argument with "I can't take you serious anymore" doesn't help your point.
On June 29 2011 06:20 cydereal wrote: Echoing the desire to hear QXC cast more while he's in Korea. Great stuff from him
This would be enjoyable. He is pretty good at the casting gig.
I really don't mind Kelly as much as people appear to on the survey. I don't love her casting, but i do not think it takes away from the game too much. Obviously Tastosis is the best, i mean, they have been working it for a while now.
EPT
which is why I voted them both top excellent.
He's a great play-by-play guy
"one of the casters" obviously referred to kelly btw, of course no one has problems understanding the others.
