• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:29
CEST 21:29
KST 04:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!29Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week5Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7
StarCraft 2
General
SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru SC2 best pvp 2026 game hypothesis Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week Starcraft2 player guess game is Coming~!
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) WORTEX 2026 - Hungarian SC2 Finals Budapest
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 540 Dodge This The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! [ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call Farewell Beloved Starcraft (Youtube Videos) BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group F Escore Tournament - Season 3 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3 [ASL22] Ro24 Group E
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Replay Review Process - What do you do? Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Violent Games and Crime Rate…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9513 users

MLG Columbus Pools Announced - Page 11

Forum Index > SC2 General
673 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 34 Next All
coolcor
Profile Joined February 2011
520 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 04:31:15
May 18 2011 04:28 GMT
#201
On May 18 2011 13:21 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 13:17 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:09 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:05 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:50 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:32 425kid wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:28 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:22 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:08 TT1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote:
nooooooooo 1 spot off =(


yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?

btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever


Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!

And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.



Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.

He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...



And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.


And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)

TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.



Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.

Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.

GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.

What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.


Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG..


But if he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
May 18 2011 04:29 GMT
#202
Lol Pool C. That will hopefully be a absolute crazy shitstorm.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 04:31:42
May 18 2011 04:31 GMT
#203
On May 18 2011 13:28 coolcor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 13:21 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:17 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:09 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:05 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:50 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:32 425kid wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:28 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:22 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:08 TT1 wrote:
[quote]

yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?

btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever


Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!

And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.



Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.

He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...



And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.


And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)

TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.



Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.

Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.

GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.

What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.


Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG..


But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change.



No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 04:33:59
May 18 2011 04:32 GMT
#204
On May 18 2011 13:27 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 13:23 Corrik wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:15 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:12 Corrik wrote:
MLG does this format for a reason. And, I'm not saying they don't have their reasons. But, I think bumping people up due to others not showing up is a bad idea. If you don't earn it, you shouldn't get rewarded for it. Leave the spot void.

This goes for GSL spots given to MLG top 4 or so also. If the players who won those spots decline the invite, don't go to the next guy to invite him until someone accepts. Just leave the opportunity as null then.


That wont work considering all of the group play is played while the open brack is playing, it would delay the tournament and force the open brack player to play 30 series in one day. Would work for something like GSL where there is time, but not for a 3 day event.


Wrong. After the Open, the new group members play their pool matches also.

So let's say. X Joins group A. Y joins group B. Z joins group C W joins group D at the end of the Open.

X - Y - Z - A all have to play 5 games in their pool still.

If you are simply adding an extra player. Let's say V and W join group D. Then they would both have to just play 5 games each... (and at least 4 of the games could be played simultaneously. V vs Group D 1 - W vs Group D 2 then V vs Group D 2 - W vs Group D 3... then V vs Group D 3 - W vs Group D 4 - then V vs Group d 4 - W vs Group D 1 - then W vs V.

Thus adding one person to a pool (or even 4) in addition to the normal 4 would add absolutely 0 time to the tournament.



Except that the open bracket doesnt finish until the end of the second day, which means the players would have to go through the whole open bracket and then straight into pool play.


You do realize the top 4 players in the Open bracket go into the Pool Play and do it just as you described above right? That already happens. That's nothing new.

Hint. Naniwa went undefeated in the Open... then undefeated in Pool Play afterwards... then won the championship losing twice to Kiwi along the way. This should be an example of someone going through the Open, then Pool Play, and then even winning the championship! lol
Limelights
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States219 Posts
May 18 2011 04:34 GMT
#205
So many Z's, what happened?
Alokiya
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States648 Posts
May 18 2011 04:36 GMT
#206
Pretty sure group C is the most insane group in any sc2 tournament ever, and should probably stay that way for awhile. It even makes July, MVP and MC a couple gsl's ago look kinda weak.
C'mon my guppies, swim up my stream! - Day[9]
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 04:38:53
May 18 2011 04:38 GMT
#207
On May 18 2011 13:32 Corrik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 13:27 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:23 Corrik wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:15 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:12 Corrik wrote:
MLG does this format for a reason. And, I'm not saying they don't have their reasons. But, I think bumping people up due to others not showing up is a bad idea. If you don't earn it, you shouldn't get rewarded for it. Leave the spot void.

This goes for GSL spots given to MLG top 4 or so also. If the players who won those spots decline the invite, don't go to the next guy to invite him until someone accepts. Just leave the opportunity as null then.


That wont work considering all of the group play is played while the open brack is playing, it would delay the tournament and force the open brack player to play 30 series in one day. Would work for something like GSL where there is time, but not for a 3 day event.


Wrong. After the Open, the new group members play their pool matches also.

So let's say. X Joins group A. Y joins group B. Z joins group C W joins group D at the end of the Open.

X - Y - Z - A all have to play 5 games in their pool still.

If you are simply adding an extra player. Let's say V and W join group D. Then they would both have to just play 5 games each... (and at least 4 of the games could be played simultaneously. V vs Group D 1 - W vs Group D 2 then V vs Group D 2 - W vs Group D 3... then V vs Group D 3 - W vs Group D 4 - then V vs Group d 4 - W vs Group D 1 - then W vs V.

Thus adding one person to a pool (or even 4) in addition to the normal 4 would add absolutely 0 time to the tournament.



Except that the open bracket doesnt finish until the end of the second day, which means the players would have to go through the whole open bracket and then straight into pool play.


You do realize the top 4 players in the Open bracket go into the Pool Play and do it just as you described above right? That already happens. That's nothing new.

Hint. Naniwa went undefeated in the Open... then undefeated in Pool Play afterwards... then won the championship losing twice to Kiwi along the way. This should be an example of someone going through the Open, then Pool Play, and then even winning the championship! lol



Fair enough, But if you have regular open bracket players qualifying plus two -three extra open bracket players qualifying,(because pros didnt show up) you are rewarding people who lost in the open bracket with a seed spot >< and if its an odd number like 3,5, it means that you have two players who could potentially be ranking the same in the open bracket for the last spot in pool play. Seems like a pretty random and illogical way to do it just to accomodate a few inconsistant players.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
FisHKinG
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands89 Posts
May 18 2011 04:40 GMT
#208
Good Luck Tyler! Beat those kids.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
May 18 2011 04:41 GMT
#209
idra in group of death =/
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
May 18 2011 04:41 GMT
#210
On May 18 2011 13:38 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 13:32 Corrik wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:27 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:23 Corrik wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:15 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:12 Corrik wrote:
MLG does this format for a reason. And, I'm not saying they don't have their reasons. But, I think bumping people up due to others not showing up is a bad idea. If you don't earn it, you shouldn't get rewarded for it. Leave the spot void.

This goes for GSL spots given to MLG top 4 or so also. If the players who won those spots decline the invite, don't go to the next guy to invite him until someone accepts. Just leave the opportunity as null then.


That wont work considering all of the group play is played while the open brack is playing, it would delay the tournament and force the open brack player to play 30 series in one day. Would work for something like GSL where there is time, but not for a 3 day event.


Wrong. After the Open, the new group members play their pool matches also.

So let's say. X Joins group A. Y joins group B. Z joins group C W joins group D at the end of the Open.

X - Y - Z - A all have to play 5 games in their pool still.

If you are simply adding an extra player. Let's say V and W join group D. Then they would both have to just play 5 games each... (and at least 4 of the games could be played simultaneously. V vs Group D 1 - W vs Group D 2 then V vs Group D 2 - W vs Group D 3... then V vs Group D 3 - W vs Group D 4 - then V vs Group d 4 - W vs Group D 1 - then W vs V.

Thus adding one person to a pool (or even 4) in addition to the normal 4 would add absolutely 0 time to the tournament.



Except that the open bracket doesnt finish until the end of the second day, which means the players would have to go through the whole open bracket and then straight into pool play.


You do realize the top 4 players in the Open bracket go into the Pool Play and do it just as you described above right? That already happens. That's nothing new.

Hint. Naniwa went undefeated in the Open... then undefeated in Pool Play afterwards... then won the championship losing twice to Kiwi along the way. This should be an example of someone going through the Open, then Pool Play, and then even winning the championship! lol



Fair enough, But if you have regular open bracket players qualifying plus two -three extra open bracket players qualifying,(because pros didnt show up) you are rewarding people who lost in the open bracket with a seed spot >< and if its an odd number like 3,5, it means that you have two players who could potentially be ranking the same in the open bracket for the last spot in pool play. Seems like a pretty random and illogical way to do it just to accomodate a few inconsistant players.


No one additional is qualifying for the championship bracket itself. Just the pool play. Which... your actions will speak for themselves in pool play.

I personally like my idea. It would only get messy if like 5 or more top 16 players didn't show.
coolcor
Profile Joined February 2011
520 Posts
May 18 2011 04:42 GMT
#211
On May 18 2011 13:31 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 13:28 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:21 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:17 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:09 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:05 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:50 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:32 425kid wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:28 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:22 coolcor wrote:
[quote]

Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!

And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.



Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.

He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...



And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.


And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)

TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.



Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.

Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.

GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.

What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.


Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG..


But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change.



No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A, he would have to go through the online tournies to qualify for code A. No different than MLG


Yes I'm assuming he'd be able to requalify into code A and then get top 8 in code A and beat one of the code S players cause cause the example is assuming this hypothetical guy is still 10th best in the GSL. MLG if the 10th best in MLG enters the 3rd tournament, fights through the open and championship bracket and gets 10th, It probably won't be enough to get seeded and will have to hope he can do it again in the next time due to the point lead all the seeded players have that will grow every event.

Meanwhile if for example Naniwa becomes the worst player in the world starting now, he still doesn't have to be worried about losing his spot for the rest of the year due to all his points he already has. (and then he just has to place well 1st event 1012 and repeat) Compare that to MVP getting code A after winning 1st.

I'm just saying your probably going to see players place higher then seeded players, probably be considered better then the seeded players by most, but not be able to replace the seeded players in the next event. (maybe not this time but by the third one the point lead will allow silly examples to happen)
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
May 18 2011 04:43 GMT
#212
hmmm I feel sorry for the foreigners that ended up with bomber. probably the last of the koreans they want.
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
May 18 2011 04:45 GMT
#213
^ I think Losira would be worse. Losira > Bomber = MMA > Moon. In my opinion.
InvXXVII
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada242 Posts
May 18 2011 04:46 GMT
#214
Group C of death lol. Bomber is gonna come out on top.
A good loser is still a loser.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
May 18 2011 04:46 GMT
#215
On May 18 2011 13:45 Corrik wrote:
^ I think Losira would be worse. Losira > Bomber = MMA > Moon. In my opinion.


but bomber just beat MVP for code a championships and losira has been slumping.
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 04:47:06
May 18 2011 04:46 GMT
#216
I predict Ret will lose every single game, unfortunately.
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
May 18 2011 04:47 GMT
#217
Sheth Fighting!
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
May 18 2011 04:48 GMT
#218
On May 18 2011 13:42 coolcor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 13:31 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:28 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:21 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:17 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:09 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:05 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:50 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:32 425kid wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:28 Darpa wrote:
[quote]


Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.

He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...



And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.


And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)

TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.



Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.

Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.

GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.

What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.


Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG..


But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change.



No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A, he would have to go through the online tournies to qualify for code A. No different than MLG


Yes I'm assuming he'd be able to requalify into code A and then get top 8 in code A and beat one of the code S players cause cause the example is assuming this hypothetical guy is still 10th best in the GSL. MLG if the 10th best in MLG enters the 3rd tournament, fights through the open and championship bracket and gets 10th, It probably won't be enough to get seeded and will have to hope he can do it again in the next time due to the point lead all the seeded players have that will grow every event.

Meanwhile if for example Naniwa becomes the worst player in the world starting now, he still doesn't have to be worried about losing his spot for the rest of the year due to all his points he already has. (and then he just has to place well 1st event 1012 and repeat) Compare that to MVP getting code A after winning 1st.

I'm just saying your probably going to see players place higher then seeded players, probably be considered better then the seeded players by most, but not be able to replace the seeded players in the next event. (maybe not this time but by the third one the point lead will allow silly examples to happen)



You cant qualify into Code A and then win Code A and then Qualify for Code S in one Season. LOL. That would take at least 3 seasons to do. If TT1 Played MLG 3 times in a row and finished in the top 10 all three times he would very likely get a group seed.

@ Corrick.

What I dont understand is how you seed them properly when they lose.

Eg. There are 4 Open Brackets in the Open tournament, each winner gets a seed in the pool.

3 Pros dont show up (as per MLG columbus). That means, with your method you need to seed 3 more people from the open bracket... There are 4 people who all finished identically in the open bracket (the losers in the Bracket finals)...Not only are you rewarding them for losing, but which people do you seed and which do you leave out, and based on what?
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
May 18 2011 04:52 GMT
#219
On May 18 2011 13:46 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 13:45 Corrik wrote:
^ I think Losira would be worse. Losira > Bomber = MMA > Moon. In my opinion.


but bomber just beat MVP for code a championships and losira has been slumping.



losing in the ro8 is slumping? lol
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
May 18 2011 04:52 GMT
#220
I could see almost anyone in group C going 0-4 on a bad day
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 34 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 31m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
EnDerr 70
MindelVK 34
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 19468
Calm 3443
Shuttle 740
Mini 407
ggaemo 150
Dewaltoss 131
White-Ra 108
Sexy 31
910 19
Dota 2
BananaSlamJamma386
Pyrionflax136
Counter-Strike
fl0m4505
shoxiejesuss819
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu454
Other Games
Gorgc4096
Grubby3064
Liquid`RaSZi1593
ceh9917
FrodaN575
ToD138
Hui .115
RotterdaM103
ArmadaUGS85
Mew2King68
Trikslyr47
Organizations
StarCraft 2
angryscii 9
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV81
Other Games
• imaqtpie908
• Shiphtur495
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 31m
Escore
14h 31m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
15h 31m
RotterdaM Event
21h 1m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 6h
GSL
1d 15h
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
[ Show More ]
GSL
4 days
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
RSL Revival: Season 6
Light Tournament 2026
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

BSL 2026 LAN: Kraków
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.