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On May 18 2011 13:21 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 13:17 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 13:09 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:05 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 12:50 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 12:32 425kid wrote:On May 18 2011 12:28 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 12:22 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 12:08 TT1 wrote:On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote:
nooooooooo 1 spot off =( yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh? btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame! And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year. Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass. He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded... And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple. And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.) TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite. Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it. Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that. GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded. What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad. Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG..
But if he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change.
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Lol Pool C. That will hopefully be a absolute crazy shitstorm.
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On May 18 2011 13:28 coolcor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 13:21 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:17 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 13:09 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:05 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 12:50 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 12:32 425kid wrote:On May 18 2011 12:28 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 12:22 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 12:08 TT1 wrote:
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yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame! And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year. Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass. He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded... And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple. And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.) TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite. Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it. Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that. GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded. What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad. Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG.. But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change.
No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A
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On May 18 2011 13:27 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 13:23 Corrik wrote:On May 18 2011 13:15 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:12 Corrik wrote:
MLG does this format for a reason. And, I'm not saying they don't have their reasons. But, I think bumping people up due to others not showing up is a bad idea. If you don't earn it, you shouldn't get rewarded for it. Leave the spot void.
This goes for GSL spots given to MLG top 4 or so also. If the players who won those spots decline the invite, don't go to the next guy to invite him until someone accepts. Just leave the opportunity as null then. That wont work considering all of the group play is played while the open brack is playing, it would delay the tournament and force the open brack player to play 30 series in one day. Would work for something like GSL where there is time, but not for a 3 day event. Wrong. After the Open, the new group members play their pool matches also. So let's say. X Joins group A. Y joins group B. Z joins group C W joins group D at the end of the Open. X - Y - Z - A all have to play 5 games in their pool still. If you are simply adding an extra player. Let's say V and W join group D. Then they would both have to just play 5 games each... (and at least 4 of the games could be played simultaneously. V vs Group D 1 - W vs Group D 2 then V vs Group D 2 - W vs Group D 3... then V vs Group D 3 - W vs Group D 4 - then V vs Group d 4 - W vs Group D 1 - then W vs V. Thus adding one person to a pool (or even 4) in addition to the normal 4 would add absolutely 0 time to the tournament. Except that the open bracket doesnt finish until the end of the second day, which means the players would have to go through the whole open bracket and then straight into pool play.
You do realize the top 4 players in the Open bracket go into the Pool Play and do it just as you described above right? That already happens. That's nothing new.
Hint. Naniwa went undefeated in the Open... then undefeated in Pool Play afterwards... then won the championship losing twice to Kiwi along the way. This should be an example of someone going through the Open, then Pool Play, and then even winning the championship! lol 
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So many Z's, what happened?
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Pretty sure group C is the most insane group in any sc2 tournament ever, and should probably stay that way for awhile. It even makes July, MVP and MC a couple gsl's ago look kinda weak.
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On May 18 2011 13:32 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 13:27 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:23 Corrik wrote:On May 18 2011 13:15 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:12 Corrik wrote:
MLG does this format for a reason. And, I'm not saying they don't have their reasons. But, I think bumping people up due to others not showing up is a bad idea. If you don't earn it, you shouldn't get rewarded for it. Leave the spot void.
This goes for GSL spots given to MLG top 4 or so also. If the players who won those spots decline the invite, don't go to the next guy to invite him until someone accepts. Just leave the opportunity as null then. That wont work considering all of the group play is played while the open brack is playing, it would delay the tournament and force the open brack player to play 30 series in one day. Would work for something like GSL where there is time, but not for a 3 day event. Wrong. After the Open, the new group members play their pool matches also. So let's say. X Joins group A. Y joins group B. Z joins group C W joins group D at the end of the Open. X - Y - Z - A all have to play 5 games in their pool still. If you are simply adding an extra player. Let's say V and W join group D. Then they would both have to just play 5 games each... (and at least 4 of the games could be played simultaneously. V vs Group D 1 - W vs Group D 2 then V vs Group D 2 - W vs Group D 3... then V vs Group D 3 - W vs Group D 4 - then V vs Group d 4 - W vs Group D 1 - then W vs V. Thus adding one person to a pool (or even 4) in addition to the normal 4 would add absolutely 0 time to the tournament. Except that the open bracket doesnt finish until the end of the second day, which means the players would have to go through the whole open bracket and then straight into pool play. You do realize the top 4 players in the Open bracket go into the Pool Play and do it just as you described above right? That already happens. That's nothing new. Hint. Naniwa went undefeated in the Open... then undefeated in Pool Play afterwards... then won the championship losing twice to Kiwi along the way. This should be an example of someone going through the Open, then Pool Play, and then even winning the championship! lol
Fair enough, But if you have regular open bracket players qualifying plus two -three extra open bracket players qualifying,(because pros didnt show up) you are rewarding people who lost in the open bracket with a seed spot >< and if its an odd number like 3,5, it means that you have two players who could potentially be ranking the same in the open bracket for the last spot in pool play. Seems like a pretty random and illogical way to do it just to accomodate a few inconsistant players.
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Good Luck Tyler! Beat those kids.
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idra in group of death =/
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On May 18 2011 13:38 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 13:32 Corrik wrote:On May 18 2011 13:27 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:23 Corrik wrote:On May 18 2011 13:15 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:12 Corrik wrote:
MLG does this format for a reason. And, I'm not saying they don't have their reasons. But, I think bumping people up due to others not showing up is a bad idea. If you don't earn it, you shouldn't get rewarded for it. Leave the spot void.
This goes for GSL spots given to MLG top 4 or so also. If the players who won those spots decline the invite, don't go to the next guy to invite him until someone accepts. Just leave the opportunity as null then. That wont work considering all of the group play is played while the open brack is playing, it would delay the tournament and force the open brack player to play 30 series in one day. Would work for something like GSL where there is time, but not for a 3 day event. Wrong. After the Open, the new group members play their pool matches also. So let's say. X Joins group A. Y joins group B. Z joins group C W joins group D at the end of the Open. X - Y - Z - A all have to play 5 games in their pool still. If you are simply adding an extra player. Let's say V and W join group D. Then they would both have to just play 5 games each... (and at least 4 of the games could be played simultaneously. V vs Group D 1 - W vs Group D 2 then V vs Group D 2 - W vs Group D 3... then V vs Group D 3 - W vs Group D 4 - then V vs Group d 4 - W vs Group D 1 - then W vs V. Thus adding one person to a pool (or even 4) in addition to the normal 4 would add absolutely 0 time to the tournament. Except that the open bracket doesnt finish until the end of the second day, which means the players would have to go through the whole open bracket and then straight into pool play. You do realize the top 4 players in the Open bracket go into the Pool Play and do it just as you described above right? That already happens. That's nothing new. Hint. Naniwa went undefeated in the Open... then undefeated in Pool Play afterwards... then won the championship losing twice to Kiwi along the way. This should be an example of someone going through the Open, then Pool Play, and then even winning the championship! lol Fair enough, But if you have regular open bracket players qualifying plus two -three extra open bracket players qualifying,(because pros didnt show up) you are rewarding people who lost in the open bracket with a seed spot >< and if its an odd number like 3,5, it means that you have two players who could potentially be ranking the same in the open bracket for the last spot in pool play. Seems like a pretty random and illogical way to do it just to accomodate a few inconsistant players.
No one additional is qualifying for the championship bracket itself. Just the pool play. Which... your actions will speak for themselves in pool play.
I personally like my idea. It would only get messy if like 5 or more top 16 players didn't show.
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On May 18 2011 13:31 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 13:28 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 13:21 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:17 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 13:09 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:05 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 12:50 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 12:32 425kid wrote:On May 18 2011 12:28 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 12:22 coolcor wrote:
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Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!
And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year. Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass. He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded... And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple. And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.) TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite. Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it. Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that. GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded. What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad. Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG.. But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change. No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A, he would have to go through the online tournies to qualify for code A. No different than MLG
Yes I'm assuming he'd be able to requalify into code A and then get top 8 in code A and beat one of the code S players cause cause the example is assuming this hypothetical guy is still 10th best in the GSL. MLG if the 10th best in MLG enters the 3rd tournament, fights through the open and championship bracket and gets 10th, It probably won't be enough to get seeded and will have to hope he can do it again in the next time due to the point lead all the seeded players have that will grow every event.
Meanwhile if for example Naniwa becomes the worst player in the world starting now, he still doesn't have to be worried about losing his spot for the rest of the year due to all his points he already has. (and then he just has to place well 1st event 1012 and repeat) Compare that to MVP getting code A after winning 1st.
I'm just saying your probably going to see players place higher then seeded players, probably be considered better then the seeded players by most, but not be able to replace the seeded players in the next event. (maybe not this time but by the third one the point lead will allow silly examples to happen)
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hmmm I feel sorry for the foreigners that ended up with bomber. probably the last of the koreans they want.
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^ I think Losira would be worse. Losira > Bomber = MMA > Moon. In my opinion.
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Group C of death lol. Bomber is gonna come out on top.
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On May 18 2011 13:45 Corrik wrote:
^ I think Losira would be worse. Losira > Bomber = MMA > Moon. In my opinion.
but bomber just beat MVP for code a championships and losira has been slumping.
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I predict Ret will lose every single game, unfortunately.
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On May 18 2011 13:42 coolcor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 13:31 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:28 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 13:21 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:17 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 13:09 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:05 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 12:50 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 12:32 425kid wrote:On May 18 2011 12:28 Darpa wrote:
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Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass. He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded... And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple. And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.) TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite. Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it. Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that. GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded. What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad. Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG.. But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change. No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A, he would have to go through the online tournies to qualify for code A. No different than MLG Yes I'm assuming he'd be able to requalify into code A and then get top 8 in code A and beat one of the code S players cause cause the example is assuming this hypothetical guy is still 10th best in the GSL. MLG if the 10th best in MLG enters the 3rd tournament, fights through the open and championship bracket and gets 10th, It probably won't be enough to get seeded and will have to hope he can do it again in the next time due to the point lead all the seeded players have that will grow every event. Meanwhile if for example Naniwa becomes the worst player in the world starting now, he still doesn't have to be worried about losing his spot for the rest of the year due to all his points he already has. (and then he just has to place well 1st event 1012 and repeat) Compare that to MVP getting code A after winning 1st. I'm just saying your probably going to see players place higher then seeded players, probably be considered better then the seeded players by most, but not be able to replace the seeded players in the next event. (maybe not this time but by the third one the point lead will allow silly examples to happen)
You cant qualify into Code A and then win Code A and then Qualify for Code S in one Season. LOL. That would take at least 3 seasons to do. If TT1 Played MLG 3 times in a row and finished in the top 10 all three times he would very likely get a group seed.
@ Corrick.
What I dont understand is how you seed them properly when they lose.
Eg. There are 4 Open Brackets in the Open tournament, each winner gets a seed in the pool.
3 Pros dont show up (as per MLG columbus). That means, with your method you need to seed 3 more people from the open bracket... There are 4 people who all finished identically in the open bracket (the losers in the Bracket finals)...Not only are you rewarding them for losing, but which people do you seed and which do you leave out, and based on what?
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On May 18 2011 13:46 Golgotha wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 13:45 Corrik wrote:
^ I think Losira would be worse. Losira > Bomber = MMA > Moon. In my opinion. but bomber just beat MVP for code a championships and losira has been slumping.
losing in the ro8 is slumping? lol
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I could see almost anyone in group C going 0-4 on a bad day
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