Let me explain some things here for those confused of how MLG's groups work, how these specific groups came to be, and certain players are in the championship bracket.
The Championship Bracket Pools and Open Bracket Pools are dependent of your seed going into the event. Going into Dallas, seeds were based on the total points standings at the end of the MLG 2010 Pro CIrcuit season. Going into Columbus, seeds are based exactly on the final placings/points of the Dallas event, with NaNiwa coming first, KiWi coming second, SeleCT third, etc.
For every player of the top 16 seeds (Championship Bracket seeds) that don't show up to Columbus, the entire field of players moves up one spot. Top 16 players are required to check-in to MLG to claim their top seed for the next event. Currently, HuK declined his spot to stay in Korea for the GSL Super Tournament, and Socke declined his spot because the EPS German Finals are the same weekend. With those two spots open, Sheth (15) and Gretorp (16) are now in the Championship Bracket.
Now with the GSL partnership in place, the four Korean players are placed into the Championship Bracket Pools based directly on their GSL points (which can be seen on the Super Tournament page). LosirA is the top ranking seed, while Moon is the lowest rankings seed.
Incontrol - luckiest SC2 player in the history of the universe. *Get seeded into Dallas by default *Get easiest group in Dallas *Get easiest group in Columbus
On May 18 2011 11:45 bennyaus wrote: Incontrol - luckiest SC2 player in the history of the universe. *Get seeded into Dallas by default *Get easiest group in Dallas *Get easiest group in Columbus
I dunno about pool D being the "easiest" group.
TLO and Haypro are pretty formidable despite their lack of recent results.
And then there is motherfucking Losira whose ZvP is pretty good.
Idra can never ever catch a break lol, once again the toughest pool. Naniwa (barring some sudden sparks of genius from Moon) should take his pool easily as with Losira.
On May 18 2011 11:49 Whisps wrote: Interesting groups. How does MLG go about choosing groups, they do a ping pong ball type thing or do they use the seeding somehow?
The numbers next to the players are the seed based on mlg rank points of course. And then they just went in order as you can see.
Wait...maybe i don't understand the way MLG works, but i thought the point of bringing along Koreans was to add one of them to each group.
Not put them in a group of their own and pit them against each other. I wanted to see them all fight vs the foreigners. We get enough Korean on Korean action with GSL.
On May 18 2011 11:52 Cyanocyst wrote: Wait...maybe i don't understand the way MLG works, but i thought the point of bringing along Koreans was to add one of them to each group.
Not put them in a group of their own and pit them against each other. I wanted to see them all fight vs the foreigners. We get enough Korean on Korean action with GSL.
The first image is the seed number, the second is the pools. They are all separate.
On May 18 2011 11:52 Cyanocyst wrote: Wait...maybe i don't understand the way MLG works, but i thought the point of bringing along Koreans was to add one of them to each group.
Not put them in a group of their own and pit them against each other. I wanted to see them all fight vs the foreigners. We get enough Korean on Korean action with GSL.
The first image is the seed number, the second is the pools. They are all separate.
Yeah lol ....i was just about to correct, my rushed response when i realized. Yeah im gonna go look at the real groups now.
On May 18 2011 11:52 Cyanocyst wrote: Wait...maybe i don't understand the way MLG works, but i thought the point of bringing along Koreans was to add one of them to each group.
Not put them in a group of their own and pit them against each other. I wanted to see them all fight vs the foreigners. We get enough Korean on Korean action with GSL.
Uhhh......... You took the time to post, but didn't get far enough into reading the topic to see the second image?
Group C needs to be nerfed haha. Definitely an all-star lineup in that group; whoever gets 1st in that group will have earned it for sure.
There is something seriously wrong with this system when players who go 0-5 in Dallas get seeded into pool play for Columbus.
They need to rework this overly complicated system so that the people who finish in the bottom of their pools have to go back through the open bracket next time stop on the tour.
On May 18 2011 11:52 Cyanocyst wrote: Wait...maybe i don't understand the way MLG works, but i thought the point of bringing along Koreans was to add one of them to each group.
Not put them in a group of their own and pit them against each other. I wanted to see them all fight vs the foreigners. We get enough Korean on Korean action with GSL.
Uhhh......... You took the time to post, but didn't get far enough into reading the topic to see the second image?
Group C needs to be nerfed haha. Definitely an all-star lineup in that group; whoever gets 1st in that group will have earned it for sure.
Yeah...but in my defense when i saw the title of this thread i was so overcome by hype, that i wasn't really reading clearly.
So seeing those 4 groups of 5 before the real groups was obviously a bit to much for me.
Thought you know, im glad im wrong, its much more interesting this way.
Welp, Naniwa and Losira basically get a free 5-0/4-1 from their groups, and Incontrol will find some reason to get butthurt despite having the easiest group overall. Just another day in competetive SC2.
Wow the pool system is so lame this really puts it in perspective. Gretorp gets a road 10 times easier for being last place in the pool system from before while tylers in a death group at a higher rank. Then you have these MLG/GSL point honorary type invites that come in at the lowest seeds and are arguably the best players at the event.
Predictions A: NANIWA B: MMA C: Anything really anyone but Tyler's game but I'd say Bomber/Select/Idra have the higher chance over Ret D: Losira EZ I don't see any player that would contest Losira in group D because Losira is on a whole nother level of zerg.
Hopefully naniwa and in group C bomber gets knocked out by idra or select so we can have a 2 foreigner & 2 korean thing. If we consider Select as a foreigner.
On May 18 2011 11:55 bokchoi wrote: Holy group of death. Group C gonna produce some exciting games. Anyone else notice that -SeleCT they're all former eStro Pro-gamers? ESTRO GROUP! haha
Why is Group C getting so much hype as 'Group of Death'? Two of three players have had terrible showings in major tournaments. We love Ret and Tyler, But Ret went 1-4 in Dallas with his only win over a 1-4 Haypro. Tyler went 2-4 with his only win over Vibe and Agh(not really top tier pros).
Honestly, none of these groups are stellar. With the way the system is, every group is seeded with two players with winning records in MLG play. Group play is turning into a lot of games with seeming walkovers if you go by past performances of players in the last six months.
I'm really looking forward to Group A just for Naniwa vs Moon. I think the best group is D. idra vs Ret should be an "entertaining" NR20 series though.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
On May 18 2011 12:06 Aurdon wrote: Why is Group C getting so much hype as 'Group of Death'? Two of three players have had terrible showings in major tournaments. We love Ret and Tyler, But Ret went 1-4 in Dallas with his only win over a 1-4 Haypro. Tyler went 2-4 with his only win over Vibe and Agh(not really top tier pros).
Honestly, none of these groups are stellar. With the way the system is, every group is seeded with two players with winning records in MLG play. Group play is turning into a lot of games with seeming walkovers if you go by past performances of players in the last six months.
Select and Idra are the best foreign terran and zergs. Plus bomber.
On May 18 2011 12:07 425kid wrote: Lol @ mlg's seeding. Gretorp is seeded? Really???? The three best players in the tourney in one group should be good tho
Gretorp and Sheth got the bump up cause of the absence of Huk and Socke
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
On May 18 2011 12:06 Aurdon wrote: Why is Group C getting so much hype as 'Group of Death'? Two of three players have had terrible showings in major tournaments. We love Ret and Tyler, But Ret went 1-4 in Dallas with his only win over a 1-4 Haypro. Tyler went 2-4 with his only win over Vibe and Agh(not really top tier pros).
Honestly, none of these groups are stellar. With the way the system is, every group is seeded with two players with winning records in MLG play. Group play is turning into a lot of games with seeming walkovers if you go by past performances of players in the last six months.
Select and Idra are the best foreign terran and zergs. Plus bomber.
So unless some kind of superstar comes out of group play, odds are those three are going to go like 5-1 or 4-2 each , at worst, like 3-3.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
Liquipedia shows you were 18th and Gretorp was 19th, odd
Yeah I think MLG just fucked up when they released the final rankings, because we played those dumb placing matches or whatever they were, and I lost to gretorp (T_T), so he should be 1 spot ahead of me anyway
How did this Pool C happen, so stacked. Or is this a conspiracy of foreigners to counter Bomber . Since MLG has 2 streams for SC2 rightnow. I hope that all game from Group C is going to be streamed.
Incontrol taking out machine again? Group C of death, MLG just felt like sticking bomber in with everyone else, since the Koreans are arbitrarily seeded?
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!
And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.
On May 18 2011 12:17 FawkingGoomba wrote: What a joke of a format. Automatically seeding people past the hardest competition is a terrible idea. It's nearly impossible to fall out once seeded.
Also, lol@Group D
just having ppl travel all the way to ur event to have them play in a qualifier is ridiculous in itself, they should run the qualification tour online in the future
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Invited to 200,000$? korean tournament while koreans had to qualify and then can't go/doesn't accept whatever the reason was. Good attitude mate, stop blaming tournaments people!!! They are doing great things, would you rather go back and play for 10-50$ in broodwar?
Could the format be better? Sure, as of now it is the way it is and you just have to cope.
There is such an easy fix for this seeding nightmare. If you finish in the bottom of your group, you have to go into the open bracket for next tour stop. That gives four more spots to new players to go into the bracket.
Is that really such a hardship? You get at least five games in pool play to prove yourself. If you end up doing terribly in pool play, you can advance far in the bracket and then earn enough points to make it back into pool play in the stop after next.
Seems more fair than what the current situation is.
Hehe, InControl should have easier path this time around. Maybe improve his finish a little ? I sure hope so. Group C is extremely hard thou ... IMBA !
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!
And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.
if i cant get throught the open bracket even once then i wouldnt deserve to play in the main tournament anyways: D, but for alot of players its hard to convince their team to pay their way to a lan just to play in a qualifier
On May 18 2011 12:06 Aurdon wrote: Why is Group C getting so much hype as 'Group of Death'? Two of three players have had terrible showings in major tournaments. We love Ret and Tyler, But Ret went 1-4 in Dallas with his only win over a 1-4 Haypro. Tyler went 2-4 with his only win over Vibe and Agh(not really top tier pros).
Honestly, none of these groups are stellar. With the way the system is, every group is seeded with two players with winning records in MLG play. Group play is turning into a lot of games with seeming walkovers if you go by past performances of players in the last six months.
Bomber is probably the biggest threat from Korea.
Idra and Select recently took top 3 IPL.
Everyone in the group is 4-1 or better in NASL except for Tyler.
Ret hasn't participated in any tournaments since moving back to europe, AFAIK.
I think both group A and D are walkovers compared to group C. Group B is pretty decent, but not as scary as C imo.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!
And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.
Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.
On May 18 2011 12:17 FawkingGoomba wrote: What a joke of a format. Automatically seeding people past the hardest competition is a terrible idea. It's nearly impossible to fall out once seeded.
Also, lol@Group D
just having ppl travel all the way to ur event to have them play in a qualifier is ridiculous in itself, they should run the qualification tour online in the future
They want a lot of competitors to show up, so it's fine to have "qualification" at the LAN. People just shouldn't be rewarded so heavily for being seeded. Maybe give players byes for being seeded instead. Skipping 80% of the competition is plain dumb though.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Invited to 200,000$? korean tournament while koreans had to qualify and then can't go/doesn't accept whatever the reason was. Good attitude mate, stop blaming tournaments people!!! They are doing great things, would you rather go back and play for 10-50$ in broodwar?
Could the format be better? Sure, as of now it is the way it is and you just have to cope.
What kind of ignorant comment is this?
At least in broodwar people played out of genuine love for the game and not just for the money -_-. Obviously Titty will pass up the opportunity to miss one MLG to play in a big tournament like he did. Sure the MLG format is great from a production standpoint, but it's absolutely horrible for the competition, which should be the priority -_-.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!
And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.
Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.
He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them.
Edit: FYI, I do agree that MLG has a really bad format for SC2.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them.
uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out
^ I do agree it's unfair that Gretorp is getting a seeded spot over someone who won however many games to get to that point (I think Boxxah said he won enough to be 17th or something earlier in this thread).
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them.
uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out
Your job is being a gamer, therefore you enter the tournaments and agree to follow their rules. If you do not like their rules, do not go to their tournaments.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them.
uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out
yeah its a bit sad that gretorp gets a spot in pool play because he performed well at the end of last year (awhile ago now) and then does terribly this time, but cos of how it works he is still in the top part of it. It works okay, just needs to be easier to get in and out of the top group
On May 18 2011 12:40 Corrik wrote: ^ I do agree it's unfair that Gretorp is getting a seeded spot over someone who won however many games to get to that point (I think Boxxah said he won enough to be 17th or something earlier in this thread).
what? gretorp eliminated mihai (boxaaah) from mlg dallas
gretorp took 18th...he bumped up cause 2 didn't go.. deal with it.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them.
uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out
Your job is being a gamer, therefore you enter the tournaments and agree to follow their rules. If you do not like their rules, do not go to their tournaments.
yup and theres a reason why mlg always has issues with their lans and are constantly losing money while tournaments like dreamhack usually run pretty smoothly
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them.
uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out
I mean gret0rp is a gamer. He just played the system and got in. It seems to me like you need to worry more about the nitty gritty of the tournaments and not just take the high road
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them.
uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out
Your job is being a gamer, therefore you enter the tournaments and agree to follow their rules. If you do not like their rules, do not go to their tournaments.
He is a gamer and therefore is expressing his disappointment in this terrible trash format.
On May 18 2011 12:42 tenkka wrote: Btw, how is gretorp so high up? Didn't he lose every match last MLG? I like the guy, but he isn't on the level of these other guys.
he lost every match until his tiebreakers, where he beat mihai and maybe vibe
On May 18 2011 12:40 Corrik wrote: ^ I do agree it's unfair that Gretorp is getting a seeded spot over someone who won however many games to get to that point (I think Boxxah said he won enough to be 17th or something earlier in this thread).
what? gretorp eliminated mihai (boxaaah) from mlg dallas
gretorp took 18th...he bumped up cause 2 didn't go.. deal with it.
Do you think, incontrol, that TT1 or boxxah (I was just using him as an example to be honest) should have had to go through that many more games? Maybe Gretorp beat him, but how many did Boxxah beat that Gretorp didn't?
I agree. He took the match, but did him taking that match off him mean he did more in that tournament? Gretorp underwhelmed badly. I understand the rules. But, I think it's a shame that's how it ended up working out. Hopefully Gretorp proves me to be an idiot and does work this tournament though.
On May 18 2011 11:43 GTR wrote: group c is more group of death than what group d was of the current msl.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...... not at all... It would not even be possible to make a group of death like group D if you hand picked the best sc2 players in the world.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!
And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.
Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.
He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...
And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.
why is everyone hating on group d? Incontrol is a boss, machine on his game is a SUPER boss, tlo is just amazing and losira is the zerg from hell, group C and D are going to be insane!
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Invited to 200,000$? korean tournament while koreans had to qualify and then can't go/doesn't accept whatever the reason was. Good attitude mate, stop blaming tournaments people!!! They are doing great things, would you rather go back and play for 10-50$ in broodwar?
Could the format be better? Sure, as of now it is the way it is and you just have to cope.
What kind of ignorant comment is this?
At least in broodwar people played out of genuine love for the game and not just for the money -_-. Obviously Titty will pass up the opportunity to miss one MLG to play in a big tournament like he did. Sure the MLG format is great from a production standpoint, but it's absolutely horrible for the competition, which should be the priority -_-.
Sorry if I came of as a douche but I'm raging because foreigners are so defeatist because of the koreans etc when they have had some great priveligies to play in Korean tournaments. Like with TT1 being invited to play in the friggin Super Tournament (dunno wtf happened there but fnatic wouldn't send their players due to short notice or something) and the World cup (he went there and did a good job for the foreigner scene) first time I laid an eye on TT1 in Sc2.
I don't see why that still can't be true, you shouldn't have the money in focus when you play, you play to compete you play to win if the money is 10 or 10,000$ even if there's no money! just look at Naniwa he wanted the damn MLG trophy more than the money and that is fucking awesome and I'm not saying that because I'm a Naniwa fan or a Swede I'm saying that because it's the right attitude.
All this bitching about tournaments doing this and that wrong should just stop. If you have feedback to give MLG give it to them, whining about it on the forums doesn't help is just my two cents.
On May 18 2011 12:50 Cocoba wrote: My Predictions: Pool A - Naniwa, Moon Pool B - Kiwikaki, MMA or Sheth Pool C - Bomber, Idra Pool D - Losira, iNcontrol (but I feel just barely)
yeah those are pretty solid, i think the favorite to leave each group is easy to call...but the second is kinda sketchy, i dont see incontrol making it out of group imo
On May 18 2011 12:40 Corrik wrote: ^ I do agree it's unfair that Gretorp is getting a seeded spot over someone who won however many games to get to that point (I think Boxxah said he won enough to be 17th or something earlier in this thread).
what? gretorp eliminated mihai (boxaaah) from mlg dallas
gretorp took 18th...he bumped up cause 2 didn't go.. deal with it.
Do you think, incontrol, that TT1 or boxxah (I was just using him as an example to be honest) should have had to go through that many more games? Maybe Gretorp beat him, but how many did Boxxah beat that Gretorp didn't?
I agree. He took the match, but did him taking that match off him mean he did more in that tournament? Gretorp underwhelmed badly. I understand the rules. But, I think it's a shame that's how it ended up working out. Hopefully Gretorp proves me to be an idiot and does work this tournament though.
forget about that man, i bust my ass all season long last year to get top 3 and then because i have a huge opportunity presented my way and decide to miss out on the 1st mlg of the year im already forced to deal with a huge handicap, top 4 of the open tournament get seeded in the main tour and the rest of the players from the open bracket go to losers, so even if u do make it from the open bracket and dont finish in the top 4 ur pretty much screwed off the bat, while the rest of the players in the champ. bracket pretty much get everything handed to them(not putting any of the blame on them the blame is to be put on whoever came up with this retarded format)
this fucking tournament format is the stupidest shit that ive ever seen, goddddd sorry for the negativety but it makes me so mad.. had to vent out somewhere
edit: then seeing mlg giving out free invites to the kors while they pretty much tell everyone else to go claw their way throught the tournament(and all the future tournaments) is the icing on the cake ^^ so classy
On May 18 2011 12:49 Tachion wrote: How many players advance from each pool, 2 or 3? If you don't make it out of your pool you're done @ MLG?
every pool has one winner, who goes to winners semi-finals. Every other player from groups gets seeded into losers bracket, as many as like 3 to 7 games from the finals, depending on their final place in the group. There is a huge difference between each place in groups, so its much better to finish 3rd than 4th, 1st than 2nd, etc
I think MLG will change their format next season, this is a whole new way of doing things for them, and they like to experiment, but they hardly ever change mid-season. Remember that the National Championship is no pools so there wont be any arguing about it then lol.
And TT1, MLG always favors the players who show up the most, it was even more unfair in halo for years. Its their model I guess.
My Picks: Group A: Naniwa- probably won't have to much trouble with Moon, slush, or drewbie if he prepares well. Group B: Kiwikaki- MMA seems like the strongest competition but I don't think he is as solid as kiwi. also hasn't been doing well in TvP Group C: GROUP of DEATH- Idra is my top pick cause hes been playing so well recently but its hard to rule out select or bomber in the mix becuase they are both so strong. In fact i hope that select has a good showing in matches with bomber, hes one of the few westerners i think can play in korea. Tough group, you can't really rule out anybody they are all strong. Group D: Losira: playing very well, ro8 in gsl code s last season. Incontrol and TLO are strong but I don't think they are good enough to beat a top 3 in the world (in my opinion) zerg.
On May 18 2011 12:40 Corrik wrote: ^ I do agree it's unfair that Gretorp is getting a seeded spot over someone who won however many games to get to that point (I think Boxxah said he won enough to be 17th or something earlier in this thread).
what? gretorp eliminated mihai (boxaaah) from mlg dallas
gretorp took 18th...he bumped up cause 2 didn't go.. deal with it.
Do you think, incontrol, that TT1 or boxxah (I was just using him as an example to be honest) should have had to go through that many more games? Maybe Gretorp beat him, but how many did Boxxah beat that Gretorp didn't?
I agree. He took the match, but did him taking that match off him mean he did more in that tournament? Gretorp underwhelmed badly. I understand the rules. But, I think it's a shame that's how it ended up working out. Hopefully Gretorp proves me to be an idiot and does work this tournament though.
forget about that man, i bust my ass all season long last year to get top 3 and then because i have a huge opportunity presented my way and decide to miss out on the 1st mlg of the year im already forced to deal with a huge handicap, top 4 of the open tournament get seeded in the main tour and the rest of the players from the open bracket go to losers, so even if u do make it from the open bracket and dont finish in the top 4 ur pretty much screwed off the bat, while the rest of the players in the champ. bracket pretty much got everything handed to them(not putting any blame on them the blame is to be put on whoever came up with this retarded format)
this fucking tournament format is the stupidest shit that ive ever seen, goddddd sorry for the negativety but it makes me so mad.. had to vent out somewhere
i think other then the stream issues, everyone can agree the setup for mlg is fucked up
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them.
uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out
My point is that MLG isn't going to "figure it out". They want to use their dumbass format, and the players don't; how is this changed? By having large numbers of players/team managers insist that they adjust to a format more suitable to RTS play. If they won't do that, there are a LOT of other SC2 tournaments for players to enter.
On May 18 2011 12:49 Tachion wrote: How many players advance from each pool, 2 or 3? If you don't make it out of your pool you're done @ MLG?
1st place in each group advance to Winner's semifinals, and everyone else gets dropped down into the losers bracket, no one gets eliminated from Pool play
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them.
uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out
My point is that MLG isn't going to "figure it out". They want to use their dumbass format, and the players don't; how is this changed? By having large numbers of players/team managers insist that they adjust to a format more suitable to RTS play. If they won't do that, there are a LOT of other SC2 tournaments for players to enter.
The format is suitable for RTS play, the downside is in order for it to really flesh out it takes a lot of tournaments and games to get people seeded where they really should be. As it stands, there haven't been a huge # of tournaments/games at MLG to really seed people properly.
edit: Which obviously makes it less than optimal given a relatively light seasonal schedule, but quite frankly I've yet to see or hear a single tournament that people didn't complain about the format in. People just complain about MLG's, for instance, a lot more than GSL's because they think there's a chance it'll get changed.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!
And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.
Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.
He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...
And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.
Only because some people didn't show up. (Including Huk who ultimately did end up showing up.) He wasn't in the Top 16 actually.
On May 18 2011 12:55 NukeTheBunnys wrote: oh my god group C is going to be absolutely insane, and I will be there in person. Moving to ohio in a week and i am going to my first MLG!
I hate you with every actine fiber in my heart.
On a serious note, are they streaming pool games? If they are, will be it at the style of NASL (stream event) or are they releasing just the VOD's later?
Koreans are cheating, they got into the groups without playing MLG ever, they should have put them in the open brackets and see if they are as good as Naniwa to come all the way from there and win MLG
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!
And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.
Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.
He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...
And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.
Only because some people didn't show up. (Including Huk who ultimately did end up showing up.) He wasn't in the Top 16 actually.
So how is that a problem? Or how is that broken. The higher seeded players didnt show up, so he was bumped. That is exactly how every other tournament would work. What would you suggest? They randomly pick people from the pool? Or just pick in choose players that they thought were good? Boot him out when a person shows up at the last minute? That is far less fair.
On May 18 2011 12:55 NukeTheBunnys wrote: oh my god group C is going to be absolutely insane, and I will be there in person. Moving to ohio in a week and i am going to my first MLG!
I hate you with every actine fiber in my heart.
On a serious note, are they streaming pool games? If they are, will be it at the style of NASL (stream event) or are they releasing just the VOD's later?
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!
And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.
Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.
He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...
And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.
Only because some people didn't show up. (Including Huk who ultimately did end up showing up.) He wasn't in the Top 16 actually.
So how is that a problem? Or how is that broken. The higher seeded players didnt show up, so he was bumped. That is exactly how every other tournament would work. What would you suggest? They randomly pick people from the pool? Or just pick in choose players that they thought were good? That is far less fair.
First of all, I didn't say it was broken. Second of all, they could leave the spot void.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!
And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.
Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.
He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...
And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.
Only because some people didn't show up. (Including Huk who ultimately did end up showing up.) He wasn't in the Top 16 actually.
So how is that a problem? Or how is that broken. The higher seeded players didnt show up, so he was bumped. That is exactly how every other tournament would work. What would you suggest? They randomly pick people from the pool? Or just pick in choose players that they thought were good? That is far less fair.
First of all, I didn't say it was broken. Second of all, they could leave the spot void.
So assuming Huk didnt decide to come to the event how would you seed that spot? Or should they just operate under the impression a random high seed player may or may not show up?
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!
And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.
Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.
He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...
And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.
And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)
TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!
And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.
Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.
He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...
And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.
Only because some people didn't show up. (Including Huk who ultimately did end up showing up.) He wasn't in the Top 16 actually.
So how is that a problem? Or how is that broken. The higher seeded players didnt show up, so he was bumped. That is exactly how every other tournament would work. What would you suggest? They randomly pick people from the pool? Or just pick in choose players that they thought were good? That is far less fair.
First of all, I didn't say it was broken. Second of all, they could leave the spot void.
So assuming Huk didnt decide to come to the event how would you seed that spot?
Everyone in top 16 moves up one spot. 16th spot stays empty until Open is over. (Since basically being 16th through 20th doesn't matter in pool play). The top players in Open loser bracket play it down and that player who wins Open Loser takes the last pool play spot. The person who lost the Open loser bracket championship gets a bye in the round of 32 in Championship bracket.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!
And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.
Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.
He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...
And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.
And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)
TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.
Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.
Everyone in top 16 moves up one spot. 16th spot stays empty until Open is over. (Since basically being 16th through 20th doesn't matter in pool play). The top players in Open loser bracket play it down and that player who wins Open Loser takes the last pool play spot. The person who lost the Open loser bracket championship gets a bye in the round of 32 in Championship bracket.
So if 2-3 top players didnt show (as was the last MLG). How would you do it then, have more open bracket people seeded? How is that fair to the people ranked 17,18,19 even if it wasnt gretorp? You play all seasons finish fairly highly and get fucked by a random rule that only helps players who show up to MLGs sporadically? seems way less fair then the current way
I'd like to see MLG change the format, but I doubt it's gonna happen and with groups like C you can hardly complain about the awesome that is going to be unleashed.
MLG does this format for a reason. And, I'm not saying they don't have their reasons. But, I think bumping people up due to others not showing up is a bad idea. If you don't earn it, you shouldn't get rewarded for it. Leave the spot void.
This goes for GSL spots given to MLG top 4 or so also. If the players who won those spots decline the invite, don't go to the next guy to invite him until someone accepts. Just leave the opportunity as null then.
On May 18 2011 12:40 Corrik wrote: ^ I do agree it's unfair that Gretorp is getting a seeded spot over someone who won however many games to get to that point (I think Boxxah said he won enough to be 17th or something earlier in this thread).
what? gretorp eliminated mihai (boxaaah) from mlg dallas
gretorp took 18th...he bumped up cause 2 didn't go.. deal with it.
Do you think, incontrol, that TT1 or boxxah (I was just using him as an example to be honest) should have had to go through that many more games? Maybe Gretorp beat him, but how many did Boxxah beat that Gretorp didn't?
I agree. He took the match, but did him taking that match off him mean he did more in that tournament? Gretorp underwhelmed badly. I understand the rules. But, I think it's a shame that's how it ended up working out. Hopefully Gretorp proves me to be an idiot and does work this tournament though.
forget about that man, i bust my ass all season long last year to get top 3 and then because i have a huge opportunity presented my way and decide to miss out on the 1st mlg of the year im already forced to deal with a huge handicap, top 4 of the open tournament get seeded in the main tour and the rest of the players from the open bracket go to losers, so even if u do make it from the open bracket and dont finish in the top 4 ur pretty much screwed off the bat, while the rest of the players in the champ. bracket pretty much get everything handed to them(not putting any of the blame on them the blame is to be put on whoever came up with this retarded format)
this fucking tournament format is the stupidest shit that ive ever seen, goddddd sorry for the negativety but it makes me so mad.. had to vent out somewhere
edit: then seeing mlg giving out free invites to the kors while they pretty much tell everyone else to go claw their way throught the tournament(and all the future tournaments) is the icing on the cake ^^ so classy
Don't go then. They are doing this for the bigger picture, business wise. They aren't going to cater to certain situations.
On May 18 2011 13:12 Corrik wrote: MLG does this format for a reason. And, I'm not saying they don't have their reasons. But, I think bumping people up due to others not showing up is a bad idea. If you don't earn it, you shouldn't get rewarded for it. Leave the spot void.
This goes for GSL spots given to MLG top 4 or so also. If the players who won those spots decline the invite, don't go to the next guy to invite him until someone accepts. Just leave the opportunity as null then.
That wont work considering all of the group play is played while the open brack is playing, it would delay the tournament and force the open brack player to play 30 series in one day. Would work for something like GSL where there is time, but not for a 3 day event.
Why is everyone saying "X player(s) better make it out of the group"? Everyone makes it out of the group, pool play is just for seeding in the championship bracket.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!
And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.
Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.
He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...
And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.
And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)
TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.
Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.
Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.
GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.
What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.
On May 18 2011 12:40 Corrik wrote: ^ I do agree it's unfair that Gretorp is getting a seeded spot over someone who won however many games to get to that point (I think Boxxah said he won enough to be 17th or something earlier in this thread).
what? gretorp eliminated mihai (boxaaah) from mlg dallas
gretorp took 18th...he bumped up cause 2 didn't go.. deal with it.
Do you think, incontrol, that TT1 or boxxah (I was just using him as an example to be honest) should have had to go through that many more games? Maybe Gretorp beat him, but how many did Boxxah beat that Gretorp didn't?
I agree. He took the match, but did him taking that match off him mean he did more in that tournament? Gretorp underwhelmed badly. I understand the rules. But, I think it's a shame that's how it ended up working out. Hopefully Gretorp proves me to be an idiot and does work this tournament though.
forget about that man, i bust my ass all season long last year to get top 3 and then because i have a huge opportunity presented my way and decide to miss out on the 1st mlg of the year im already forced to deal with a huge handicap, top 4 of the open tournament get seeded in the main tour and the rest of the players from the open bracket go to losers, so even if u do make it from the open bracket and dont finish in the top 4 ur pretty much screwed off the bat, while the rest of the players in the champ. bracket pretty much get everything handed to them(not putting any of the blame on them the blame is to be put on whoever came up with this retarded format)
this fucking tournament format is the stupidest shit that ive ever seen, goddddd sorry for the negativety but it makes me so mad.. had to vent out somewhere
edit: then seeing mlg giving out free invites to the kors while they pretty much tell everyone else to go claw their way throught the tournament(and all the future tournaments) is the icing on the cake ^^ so classy
Don't go then. They are doing this for the bigger picture, business wise. They aren't going to cater to certain situations.
Note: This isn't a post about TT1, but SC players in general.
At this point, the tournament or organization is more important than the players. BW players in particular were a rare breed, so organizations continually catered to their needs in order to facilitate a good tournament. However, in SC2, there are so many good players that if a few don't attend, then it's no longer a big deal. This in particular is important when looking at scheduling conflicts. The show must go on.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!
And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.
Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.
He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...
And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.
And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)
TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.
Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.
Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.
GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.
What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.
Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG..
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!
And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.
Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.
He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...
And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.
And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)
TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.
Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.
Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.
GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.
What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.
Why should MLG care that TT1 choose to go play in GSL World Championship. Obv he cares about other events and not MLG from their perspective, so they arent going to cut him some corners. They made their rule system because they want to reward consistent attendance. I see nothing wrong with it.
On May 18 2011 13:12 Corrik wrote: MLG does this format for a reason. And, I'm not saying they don't have their reasons. But, I think bumping people up due to others not showing up is a bad idea. If you don't earn it, you shouldn't get rewarded for it. Leave the spot void.
This goes for GSL spots given to MLG top 4 or so also. If the players who won those spots decline the invite, don't go to the next guy to invite him until someone accepts. Just leave the opportunity as null then.
That wont work considering all of the group play is played while the open brack is playing, it would delay the tournament and force the open brack player to play 30 series in one day. Would work for something like GSL where there is time, but not for a 3 day event.
Wrong. After the Open, the new group members play their pool matches also.
So let's say. X Joins group A. Y joins group B. Z joins group C W joins group D at the end of the Open.
X - Y - Z - A all have to play 5 games in their pool still.
If you are simply adding an extra player. Let's say V and W join group D. Then they would both have to just play 5 games each... (and at least 4 of the games could be played simultaneously. V vs Group D 1 - W vs Group D 2 then V vs Group D 2 - W vs Group D 3... then V vs Group D 3 - W vs Group D 4 - then V vs Group d 4 - W vs Group D 1 - then W vs V.
Thus adding one person to a pool (or even 4) in addition to the normal 4 would add absolutely 0 time to the tournament.
On May 18 2011 13:12 Corrik wrote: MLG does this format for a reason. And, I'm not saying they don't have their reasons. But, I think bumping people up due to others not showing up is a bad idea. If you don't earn it, you shouldn't get rewarded for it. Leave the spot void.
This goes for GSL spots given to MLG top 4 or so also. If the players who won those spots decline the invite, don't go to the next guy to invite him until someone accepts. Just leave the opportunity as null then.
That wont work considering all of the group play is played while the open brack is playing, it would delay the tournament and force the open brack player to play 30 series in one day. Would work for something like GSL where there is time, but not for a 3 day event.
Wrong. After the Open, the new group members play their pool matches also.
So let's say. X Joins group A. Y joins group B. Z joins group C W joins group D at the end of the Open.
X - Y - Z - A all have to play 5 games in their pool still.
If you are simply adding an extra player. Let's say V and W join group D. Then they would both have to just play 5 games each... (and at least 4 of the games could be played simultaneously. V vs Group D 1 - W vs Group D 2 then V vs Group D 2 - W vs Group D 3... then V vs Group D 3 - W vs Group D 4 - then V vs Group d 4 - W vs Group D 1 - then W vs V.
Thus adding one person to a pool (or even 4) in addition to the normal 4 would add absolutely 0 time to the tournament.
Except that the open bracket doesnt finish until the end of the second day, which means the players would have to go through the whole open bracket and then straight into pool play.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!
And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.
Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.
He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...
And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.
And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)
TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.
Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.
Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.
GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.
What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.
Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG..
But if he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change.
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!
And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.
Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.
He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...
And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.
And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)
TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.
Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.
Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.
GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.
What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.
Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG..
But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change.
No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A
On May 18 2011 13:12 Corrik wrote: MLG does this format for a reason. And, I'm not saying they don't have their reasons. But, I think bumping people up due to others not showing up is a bad idea. If you don't earn it, you shouldn't get rewarded for it. Leave the spot void.
This goes for GSL spots given to MLG top 4 or so also. If the players who won those spots decline the invite, don't go to the next guy to invite him until someone accepts. Just leave the opportunity as null then.
That wont work considering all of the group play is played while the open brack is playing, it would delay the tournament and force the open brack player to play 30 series in one day. Would work for something like GSL where there is time, but not for a 3 day event.
Wrong. After the Open, the new group members play their pool matches also.
So let's say. X Joins group A. Y joins group B. Z joins group C W joins group D at the end of the Open.
X - Y - Z - A all have to play 5 games in their pool still.
If you are simply adding an extra player. Let's say V and W join group D. Then they would both have to just play 5 games each... (and at least 4 of the games could be played simultaneously. V vs Group D 1 - W vs Group D 2 then V vs Group D 2 - W vs Group D 3... then V vs Group D 3 - W vs Group D 4 - then V vs Group d 4 - W vs Group D 1 - then W vs V.
Thus adding one person to a pool (or even 4) in addition to the normal 4 would add absolutely 0 time to the tournament.
Except that the open bracket doesnt finish until the end of the second day, which means the players would have to go through the whole open bracket and then straight into pool play.
You do realize the top 4 players in the Open bracket go into the Pool Play and do it just as you described above right? That already happens. That's nothing new.
Hint. Naniwa went undefeated in the Open... then undefeated in Pool Play afterwards... then won the championship losing twice to Kiwi along the way. This should be an example of someone going through the Open, then Pool Play, and then even winning the championship! lol
Pretty sure group C is the most insane group in any sc2 tournament ever, and should probably stay that way for awhile. It even makes July, MVP and MC a couple gsl's ago look kinda weak.
On May 18 2011 13:12 Corrik wrote: MLG does this format for a reason. And, I'm not saying they don't have their reasons. But, I think bumping people up due to others not showing up is a bad idea. If you don't earn it, you shouldn't get rewarded for it. Leave the spot void.
This goes for GSL spots given to MLG top 4 or so also. If the players who won those spots decline the invite, don't go to the next guy to invite him until someone accepts. Just leave the opportunity as null then.
That wont work considering all of the group play is played while the open brack is playing, it would delay the tournament and force the open brack player to play 30 series in one day. Would work for something like GSL where there is time, but not for a 3 day event.
Wrong. After the Open, the new group members play their pool matches also.
So let's say. X Joins group A. Y joins group B. Z joins group C W joins group D at the end of the Open.
X - Y - Z - A all have to play 5 games in their pool still.
If you are simply adding an extra player. Let's say V and W join group D. Then they would both have to just play 5 games each... (and at least 4 of the games could be played simultaneously. V vs Group D 1 - W vs Group D 2 then V vs Group D 2 - W vs Group D 3... then V vs Group D 3 - W vs Group D 4 - then V vs Group d 4 - W vs Group D 1 - then W vs V.
Thus adding one person to a pool (or even 4) in addition to the normal 4 would add absolutely 0 time to the tournament.
Except that the open bracket doesnt finish until the end of the second day, which means the players would have to go through the whole open bracket and then straight into pool play.
You do realize the top 4 players in the Open bracket go into the Pool Play and do it just as you described above right? That already happens. That's nothing new.
Hint. Naniwa went undefeated in the Open... then undefeated in Pool Play afterwards... then won the championship losing twice to Kiwi along the way. This should be an example of someone going through the Open, then Pool Play, and then even winning the championship! lol
Fair enough, But if you have regular open bracket players qualifying plus two -three extra open bracket players qualifying,(because pros didnt show up) you are rewarding people who lost in the open bracket with a seed spot >< and if its an odd number like 3,5, it means that you have two players who could potentially be ranking the same in the open bracket for the last spot in pool play. Seems like a pretty random and illogical way to do it just to accomodate a few inconsistant players.
On May 18 2011 13:12 Corrik wrote: MLG does this format for a reason. And, I'm not saying they don't have their reasons. But, I think bumping people up due to others not showing up is a bad idea. If you don't earn it, you shouldn't get rewarded for it. Leave the spot void.
This goes for GSL spots given to MLG top 4 or so also. If the players who won those spots decline the invite, don't go to the next guy to invite him until someone accepts. Just leave the opportunity as null then.
That wont work considering all of the group play is played while the open brack is playing, it would delay the tournament and force the open brack player to play 30 series in one day. Would work for something like GSL where there is time, but not for a 3 day event.
Wrong. After the Open, the new group members play their pool matches also.
So let's say. X Joins group A. Y joins group B. Z joins group C W joins group D at the end of the Open.
X - Y - Z - A all have to play 5 games in their pool still.
If you are simply adding an extra player. Let's say V and W join group D. Then they would both have to just play 5 games each... (and at least 4 of the games could be played simultaneously. V vs Group D 1 - W vs Group D 2 then V vs Group D 2 - W vs Group D 3... then V vs Group D 3 - W vs Group D 4 - then V vs Group d 4 - W vs Group D 1 - then W vs V.
Thus adding one person to a pool (or even 4) in addition to the normal 4 would add absolutely 0 time to the tournament.
Except that the open bracket doesnt finish until the end of the second day, which means the players would have to go through the whole open bracket and then straight into pool play.
You do realize the top 4 players in the Open bracket go into the Pool Play and do it just as you described above right? That already happens. That's nothing new.
Hint. Naniwa went undefeated in the Open... then undefeated in Pool Play afterwards... then won the championship losing twice to Kiwi along the way. This should be an example of someone going through the Open, then Pool Play, and then even winning the championship! lol
Fair enough, But if you have regular open bracket players qualifying plus two -three extra open bracket players qualifying,(because pros didnt show up) you are rewarding people who lost in the open bracket with a seed spot >< and if its an odd number like 3,5, it means that you have two players who could potentially be ranking the same in the open bracket for the last spot in pool play. Seems like a pretty random and illogical way to do it just to accomodate a few inconsistant players.
No one additional is qualifying for the championship bracket itself. Just the pool play. Which... your actions will speak for themselves in pool play.
I personally like my idea. It would only get messy if like 5 or more top 16 players didn't show.
Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!
And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.
Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.
He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...
And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.
And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)
TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.
Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.
Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.
GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.
What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.
Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG..
But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change.
No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A, he would have to go through the online tournies to qualify for code A. No different than MLG
Yes I'm assuming he'd be able to requalify into code A and then get top 8 in code A and beat one of the code S players cause cause the example is assuming this hypothetical guy is still 10th best in the GSL. MLG if the 10th best in MLG enters the 3rd tournament, fights through the open and championship bracket and gets 10th, It probably won't be enough to get seeded and will have to hope he can do it again in the next time due to the point lead all the seeded players have that will grow every event.
Meanwhile if for example Naniwa becomes the worst player in the world starting now, he still doesn't have to be worried about losing his spot for the rest of the year due to all his points he already has. (and then he just has to place well 1st event 1012 and repeat) Compare that to MVP getting code A after winning 1st.
I'm just saying your probably going to see players place higher then seeded players, probably be considered better then the seeded players by most, but not be able to replace the seeded players in the next event. (maybe not this time but by the third one the point lead will allow silly examples to happen)
Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.
He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...
And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.
And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)
TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.
Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.
Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.
GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.
What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.
Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG..
But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change.
No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A, he would have to go through the online tournies to qualify for code A. No different than MLG
Yes I'm assuming he'd be able to requalify into code A and then get top 8 in code A and beat one of the code S players cause cause the example is assuming this hypothetical guy is still 10th best in the GSL. MLG if the 10th best in MLG enters the 3rd tournament, fights through the open and championship bracket and gets 10th, It probably won't be enough to get seeded and will have to hope he can do it again in the next time due to the point lead all the seeded players have that will grow every event.
Meanwhile if for example Naniwa becomes the worst player in the world starting now, he still doesn't have to be worried about losing his spot for the rest of the year due to all his points he already has. (and then he just has to place well 1st event 1012 and repeat) Compare that to MVP getting code A after winning 1st.
I'm just saying your probably going to see players place higher then seeded players, probably be considered better then the seeded players by most, but not be able to replace the seeded players in the next event. (maybe not this time but by the third one the point lead will allow silly examples to happen)
You cant qualify into Code A and then win Code A and then Qualify for Code S in one Season. LOL. That would take at least 3 seasons to do. If TT1 Played MLG 3 times in a row and finished in the top 10 all three times he would very likely get a group seed.
@ Corrick.
What I dont understand is how you seed them properly when they lose.
Eg. There are 4 Open Brackets in the Open tournament, each winner gets a seed in the pool.
3 Pros dont show up (as per MLG columbus). That means, with your method you need to seed 3 more people from the open bracket... There are 4 people who all finished identically in the open bracket (the losers in the Bracket finals)...Not only are you rewarding them for losing, but which people do you seed and which do you leave out, and based on what?
On May 18 2011 12:32 425kid wrote: [quote] He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...
And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.
And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)
TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.
Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.
Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.
GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.
What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.
Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG..
But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change.
No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A, he would have to go through the online tournies to qualify for code A. No different than MLG
Yes I'm assuming he'd be able to requalify into code A and then get top 8 in code A and beat one of the code S players cause cause the example is assuming this hypothetical guy is still 10th best in the GSL. MLG if the 10th best in MLG enters the 3rd tournament, fights through the open and championship bracket and gets 10th, It probably won't be enough to get seeded and will have to hope he can do it again in the next time due to the point lead all the seeded players have that will grow every event.
Meanwhile if for example Naniwa becomes the worst player in the world starting now, he still doesn't have to be worried about losing his spot for the rest of the year due to all his points he already has. (and then he just has to place well 1st event 1012 and repeat) Compare that to MVP getting code A after winning 1st.
I'm just saying your probably going to see players place higher then seeded players, probably be considered better then the seeded players by most, but not be able to replace the seeded players in the next event. (maybe not this time but by the third one the point lead will allow silly examples to happen)
You cant qualify into Code A and then win Code A and then Qualify for Code S in one Season. LOL. That would take at least 3 seasons to do. If TT1 Played MLG 3 times in a row and finished in the top 10 all three times he would very likely get a group seed.
@ Corrick.
What I dont understand is how you seed them properly when they lose.
Eg. There are 4 Open Brackets in the Open tournament, each winner gets a seed in the pool.
3 Pros dont show up (as per MLG columbus). That means, with your method you need to seed 3 more people from the open bracket... There are 4 people who all finished identically in the open bracket (the losers in the Bracket finals)...Not only are you rewarding them for losing, but which people do you seed and which do you leave out, and based on what?
I said play the Loser Bracket Open out. The winner gets the spot.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them.
uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out
It's ok id rather see korean pro gamers play then you play.
And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.
And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)
TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.
Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.
Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.
GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.
What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.
Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG..
But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change.
No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A, he would have to go through the online tournies to qualify for code A. No different than MLG
Yes I'm assuming he'd be able to requalify into code A and then get top 8 in code A and beat one of the code S players cause cause the example is assuming this hypothetical guy is still 10th best in the GSL. MLG if the 10th best in MLG enters the 3rd tournament, fights through the open and championship bracket and gets 10th, It probably won't be enough to get seeded and will have to hope he can do it again in the next time due to the point lead all the seeded players have that will grow every event.
Meanwhile if for example Naniwa becomes the worst player in the world starting now, he still doesn't have to be worried about losing his spot for the rest of the year due to all his points he already has. (and then he just has to place well 1st event 1012 and repeat) Compare that to MVP getting code A after winning 1st.
I'm just saying your probably going to see players place higher then seeded players, probably be considered better then the seeded players by most, but not be able to replace the seeded players in the next event. (maybe not this time but by the third one the point lead will allow silly examples to happen)
You cant qualify into Code A and then win Code A and then Qualify for Code S in one Season. LOL. That would take at least 3 seasons to do. If TT1 Played MLG 3 times in a row and finished in the top 10 all three times he would very likely get a group seed.
@ Corrick.
What I dont understand is how you seed them properly when they lose.
Eg. There are 4 Open Brackets in the Open tournament, each winner gets a seed in the pool.
3 Pros dont show up (as per MLG columbus). That means, with your method you need to seed 3 more people from the open bracket... There are 4 people who all finished identically in the open bracket (the losers in the Bracket finals)...Not only are you rewarding them for losing, but which people do you seed and which do you leave out, and based on what?
I said play the Loser Bracket Open out. The winner gets the spot.
Aside from the fact that playing out the 4 losers for 3 seeds into the open groups spaces would leave 3 open byes in the losers bracket, and how the 1 person who wasnt seeded has already lost twice yet still gets to continuie, How would you fill that without going all the way down the line? It would be making a ridiculous number of exceptions and rule changes to make your system work andd would make it a complex as shit. I understand now what your trying to say, I still think that is an outrageous amount of work, uneccessary games, rule changes, and catoring to a select few who missed previous events.
Its pretty unessecary and screws over the other players who ranked 17,18,19 who did happen to show up to all the other events.
Super excited to see how these groups play out! Especially group C! Holyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.....! Gonna be a great tournament, regardless if MLG gets their streams together.
On May 18 2011 14:04 Phaint wrote: Once again iNcontrol gets the easiest group I've ever seen (obviously Losira will clean this group up but iNcontrols wins will just further his ego)
iNcontrol is the second best protoss in North America. He has good reason to have his ego. I predict Geoff to place in the top four again.
...Gretorp gets to stay in pool play because he was basically into top 16 by winning like one match? I'm REALLY not liking the system if it doesn't account points from before. People like Vibe, dde, mihai, etc. fought through the open bracket just to not get any help for mlg columbus?
I can't say I can agree with the system if it leads to brackets like this.
And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)
TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.
Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.
Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.
GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.
What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.
Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG..
But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change.
No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A, he would have to go through the online tournies to qualify for code A. No different than MLG
Yes I'm assuming he'd be able to requalify into code A and then get top 8 in code A and beat one of the code S players cause cause the example is assuming this hypothetical guy is still 10th best in the GSL. MLG if the 10th best in MLG enters the 3rd tournament, fights through the open and championship bracket and gets 10th, It probably won't be enough to get seeded and will have to hope he can do it again in the next time due to the point lead all the seeded players have that will grow every event.
Meanwhile if for example Naniwa becomes the worst player in the world starting now, he still doesn't have to be worried about losing his spot for the rest of the year due to all his points he already has. (and then he just has to place well 1st event 1012 and repeat) Compare that to MVP getting code A after winning 1st.
I'm just saying your probably going to see players place higher then seeded players, probably be considered better then the seeded players by most, but not be able to replace the seeded players in the next event. (maybe not this time but by the third one the point lead will allow silly examples to happen)
You cant qualify into Code A and then win Code A and then Qualify for Code S in one Season. LOL. That would take at least 3 seasons to do. If TT1 Played MLG 3 times in a row and finished in the top 10 all three times he would very likely get a group seed.
@ Corrick.
What I dont understand is how you seed them properly when they lose.
Eg. There are 4 Open Brackets in the Open tournament, each winner gets a seed in the pool.
3 Pros dont show up (as per MLG columbus). That means, with your method you need to seed 3 more people from the open bracket... There are 4 people who all finished identically in the open bracket (the losers in the Bracket finals)...Not only are you rewarding them for losing, but which people do you seed and which do you leave out, and based on what?
I said play the Loser Bracket Open out. The winner gets the spot.
Aside from the fact that playing out the 4 losers for 3 seeds into the open groups spaces would leave 3 open byes in the losers bracket, and how the 1 person who wasnt seeded has already lost twice yet still gets to continuie, How would you fill that without going all the way down the line? It would be making a ridiculous number of exceptions and rule changes to make your system work andd would make it a complex as shit. I understand now what your trying to say, I still think that is an outrageous amount of work, uneccessary games, rule changes, and catoring to a select few who missed previous events.
Its pretty unessecary and screws over the other players who ranked 17,18,19 who did happen to show up to all the other events.
I give up. I explained this properly, but you aren't getting it. I think you aren't sure how it works now. My suggestions are only minor tweaks to it... and it does work... with only 1 bye for the guy who was runner up in the loser open bracket in the Ro32 matches. I give up though. Forget it.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them.
uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out
It's ok id rather see korean pro gamers play then you play.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them.
uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out
It's ok id rather see korean pro gamers play then you play.
is it true that huk was cut in favor of another player? If this is true...I really do not like the MLG system. didnt huk WIN MLG raleigh?
Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.
Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.
GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.
What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.
Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG..
But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change.
No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A, he would have to go through the online tournies to qualify for code A. No different than MLG
Yes I'm assuming he'd be able to requalify into code A and then get top 8 in code A and beat one of the code S players cause cause the example is assuming this hypothetical guy is still 10th best in the GSL. MLG if the 10th best in MLG enters the 3rd tournament, fights through the open and championship bracket and gets 10th, It probably won't be enough to get seeded and will have to hope he can do it again in the next time due to the point lead all the seeded players have that will grow every event.
Meanwhile if for example Naniwa becomes the worst player in the world starting now, he still doesn't have to be worried about losing his spot for the rest of the year due to all his points he already has. (and then he just has to place well 1st event 1012 and repeat) Compare that to MVP getting code A after winning 1st.
I'm just saying your probably going to see players place higher then seeded players, probably be considered better then the seeded players by most, but not be able to replace the seeded players in the next event. (maybe not this time but by the third one the point lead will allow silly examples to happen)
You cant qualify into Code A and then win Code A and then Qualify for Code S in one Season. LOL. That would take at least 3 seasons to do. If TT1 Played MLG 3 times in a row and finished in the top 10 all three times he would very likely get a group seed.
@ Corrick.
What I dont understand is how you seed them properly when they lose.
Eg. There are 4 Open Brackets in the Open tournament, each winner gets a seed in the pool.
3 Pros dont show up (as per MLG columbus). That means, with your method you need to seed 3 more people from the open bracket... There are 4 people who all finished identically in the open bracket (the losers in the Bracket finals)...Not only are you rewarding them for losing, but which people do you seed and which do you leave out, and based on what?
I said play the Loser Bracket Open out. The winner gets the spot.
Aside from the fact that playing out the 4 losers for 3 seeds into the open groups spaces would leave 3 open byes in the losers bracket, and how the 1 person who wasnt seeded has already lost twice yet still gets to continuie, How would you fill that without going all the way down the line? It would be making a ridiculous number of exceptions and rule changes to make your system work andd would make it a complex as shit. I understand now what your trying to say, I still think that is an outrageous amount of work, uneccessary games, rule changes, and catoring to a select few who missed previous events.
Its pretty unessecary and screws over the other players who ranked 17,18,19 who did happen to show up to all the other events.
I give up. I explained this properly, but you aren't getting it. I think you aren't sure how it works now. My suggestions are only minor tweaks to it... and it does work... with only 1 bye for the guy who was runner up in the loser open bracket in the Ro32 matches. I give up though. Forget it.
your right I dont get it, Given the same number of players, If you seed 3 extra players into the Group play, you leave 3 open byes in the losers bracket which means some people get free wins. Your system works fine for If there is only 1 open spot in group play and ONE pro player missing. It does not work if you have more than 2 Pros who dont come and opens up more than 2 spots in group play because it fucks up the losers bracket. Which is what happened at the last MLG.
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote: nooooooooo 1 spot off =(
yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?
btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever
Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them.
uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out
It's ok id rather see korean pro gamers play then you play.
Don't worry... I am sure most of the community would.
TT1 out of curiosity wouldn't it make more sense to say screw MLG and go the GSL Super Tournament? You get over double the money making it to the round of 32 in the GSL:ST than you would getting 8th at MLG. Wouldn't making it one round in the super tournament be easier than the entire open bracket at MLG or is skill of the Koreans > endurance needed to play through the whole open bracket?
Unless of course you would have to pay the travel expenses yourself or your team/sponsors didn't think paying for you to go would be worth it.
Personally I would have loved to see you in the Super Tournament
No one takes MLG seriously anyways. Once the few koreans come over and realize how much of a mess MLG is and tell their friends back home, I'm more than sure very few top names will be making the trip. Why would you? Its a disaster, fatiguing, and you can't even prepare for matches among many, many other problems.
On May 18 2011 14:27 Phaint wrote: No one takes MLG seriously anyways. Once the few koreans come over and realize how much of a mess MLG is and tell their friends back home, I'm more than sure very few top names will be making the trip. Why would you? Its a disaster, fatiguing, and you can't even prepare for matches among many, many other problems.
what? no one takes MLG seriously? are you trolling or do you have stuff to back it up.
Hooooooly shit, Pool C is nuts. Hope Tyler is training hard -- I really want to see him kick some ass, as he's been showing some sick results lately in smaller tournies.
I think Tyler was joking about practicing 10 hours a day after reading the Elephant in the Room article but if he does that will make Group C even more of a group of death.
Pool C is ridiculous. If Ret is motivated and Tyler starts to practice hard, it'll be an impossible group to call. Ever single matchup in tht group is main stage worthy.
On May 18 2011 11:41 SimDawg wrote: Good God. Can we get every game in Pool C broadcast please? That's like an all star league in and of itself.
It would be an injustice not to see this whole group broadcast. Hopefully MLG will wow us this time, because I don't see it happening based on past MLG broadcasts.
Let me explain some things here for those confused of how MLG's groups work, how these specific groups came to be, and certain players are in the championship bracket.
The Championship Bracket Pools and Open Bracket Pools are dependent of your seed going into the event. Going into Dallas, seeds were based on the total points standings at the end of the MLG 2010 Pro CIrcuit season. Going into Columbus, seeds are based exactly on the final placings/points of the Dallas event, with NaNiwa coming first, KiWi coming second, SeleCT third, etc.
For every player of the top 16 seeds (Championship Bracket seeds) that don't show up to Columbus, the entire field of players moves up one spot. Top 16 players are required to check-in to MLG to claim their top seed for the next event. Currently, HuK declined his spot to stay in Korea for the GSL Super Tournament, and Socke declined his spot because the EPS German Finals are the same weekend. With those two spots open, Sheth (15) and Gretorp (16) are now in the Championship Bracket.
Now with the GSL partnership in place, the four Korean players are placed into the Championship Bracket Pools based directly on their GSL points (which can be seen on the Super Tournament page). LosirA is the top ranking seed, while Moon is the lowest rankings seed.
On May 18 2011 14:11 Zlasher wrote: ...Gretorp gets to stay in pool play because he was basically into top 16 by winning like one match? I'm REALLY not liking the system if it doesn't account points from before. People like Vibe, dde, mihai, etc. fought through the open bracket just to not get any help for mlg columbus?
I can't say I can agree with the system if it leads to brackets like this.
it seems you didn't read how the system works at all..
On May 18 2011 12:40 Corrik wrote: ^ I do agree it's unfair that Gretorp is getting a seeded spot over someone who won however many games to get to that point (I think Boxxah said he won enough to be 17th or something earlier in this thread).
what? gretorp eliminated mihai (boxaaah) from mlg dallas
gretorp took 18th...he bumped up cause 2 didn't go.. deal with it.
Do you think, incontrol, that TT1 or boxxah (I was just using him as an example to be honest) should have had to go through that many more games? Maybe Gretorp beat him, but how many did Boxxah beat that Gretorp didn't?
I agree. He took the match, but did him taking that match off him mean he did more in that tournament? Gretorp underwhelmed badly. I understand the rules. But, I think it's a shame that's how it ended up working out. Hopefully Gretorp proves me to be an idiot and does work this tournament though.
forget about that man, i bust my ass all season long last year to get top 3 and then because i have a huge opportunity presented my way and decide to miss out on the 1st mlg of the year im already forced to deal with a huge handicap, top 4 of the open tournament get seeded in the main tour and the rest of the players from the open bracket go to losers, so even if u do make it from the open bracket and dont finish in the top 4 ur pretty much screwed off the bat, while the rest of the players in the champ. bracket pretty much get everything handed to them(not putting any of the blame on them the blame is to be put on whoever came up with this retarded format)
this fucking tournament format is the stupidest shit that ive ever seen, goddddd sorry for the negativety but it makes me so mad.. had to vent out somewhere
edit: then seeing mlg giving out free invites to the kors while they pretty much tell everyone else to go claw their way throught the tournament(and all the future tournaments) is the icing on the cake ^^ so classy
Don't go then. They are doing this for the bigger picture, business wise. They aren't going to cater to certain situations.
You mean like putting together a fair and even competition?
On May 18 2011 12:40 Corrik wrote: ^ I do agree it's unfair that Gretorp is getting a seeded spot over someone who won however many games to get to that point (I think Boxxah said he won enough to be 17th or something earlier in this thread).
what? gretorp eliminated mihai (boxaaah) from mlg dallas
gretorp took 18th...he bumped up cause 2 didn't go.. deal with it.
Do you think, incontrol, that TT1 or boxxah (I was just using him as an example to be honest) should have had to go through that many more games? Maybe Gretorp beat him, but how many did Boxxah beat that Gretorp didn't?
I agree. He took the match, but did him taking that match off him mean he did more in that tournament? Gretorp underwhelmed badly. I understand the rules. But, I think it's a shame that's how it ended up working out. Hopefully Gretorp proves me to be an idiot and does work this tournament though.
forget about that man, i bust my ass all season long last year to get top 3 and then because i have a huge opportunity presented my way and decide to miss out on the 1st mlg of the year im already forced to deal with a huge handicap, top 4 of the open tournament get seeded in the main tour and the rest of the players from the open bracket go to losers, so even if u do make it from the open bracket and dont finish in the top 4 ur pretty much screwed off the bat, while the rest of the players in the champ. bracket pretty much get everything handed to them(not putting any of the blame on them the blame is to be put on whoever came up with this retarded format)
this fucking tournament format is the stupidest shit that ive ever seen, goddddd sorry for the negativety but it makes me so mad.. had to vent out somewhere
edit: then seeing mlg giving out free invites to the kors while they pretty much tell everyone else to go claw their way throught the tournament(and all the future tournaments) is the icing on the cake ^^ so classy
Don't go then. They are doing this for the bigger picture, business wise. They aren't going to cater to certain situations.
You mean like putting together a fair and even competition?
its fair...?
I don't understand when a players risks his points by not participating and then blames the league's system. Shouldn't it be the players fault?
I don't like the new concept of the GSL <-> MLG exchange, I think "foreign" players won't be as benefited as koreans obviously. I also agree with TT1 about the seeding format. Hopefully it turns out to work well, I'd like to see more high class tournaments like this. But I'm a little worried. Of course I'm also excited about these games, although group C really is crazy compared to A.
Might've been answered before, but why are the Koreans placed into groups so weirdly? If you follow the original 16 seeds, there is a nice snake-pattern (like NFL draft system). But then the koreans come and the order is off. It would seem to me that :
On May 18 2011 16:37 MacAtry wrote: I don't like the new concept of the GSL <-> MLG exchange, I think "foreign" players won't be as benefited as koreans obviously. I also agree with TT1 about the seeding format. Hopefully it turns out to work well, I'd like to see more high class tournaments like this. But I'm a little worried. Of course I'm also excited about these games, although group C really is crazy compared to A.
ppl don't seem to understand that the 5 events leading to Nationals are essentially qualifiers where players gain as much points as they can to get a good seed for the championships.
Group C is going to prove for some really exciting games. All I can say is I am glad that we will be having two streams, to cover allt hese damn amazing games.
Group C is the most ridiculous group I have ever seen. Together with Losira/MMA/Naniwa/Kiwi they are the 9 guys I would predict to win this tournament. And it is impossible to choose one of them. Ret please prove everybody wrong and advance out that group with a good score.
Pretty happy for Incontrol, but there is some pressure on his shoulders. NASL isn't working out for him and he has a relative easy group. But I am confident he can make it out of his group in the top 2.
Sad for TT1 and Boxxah. But once you guys make it to top 16 it will be pretty hard to get knocked out. You should be happy about that. MLG is protecting his top 16 players and you should be HAPPY about that, playing 1 bad tournament doesn't fuck everything up. Bad players will eventually go out, just fight through that open tournament again!
I feel for you TT1. I agree that its a bit retarded.
I mean, I loge Gretorp, but his performance at the last MLG was absolutely awful. The fact that he's still in the top 18 (now 16 since he got bumped twice) is a bit ridiculous...
Pool play should be awarded more IMO. Those people work way harder. =/
w/e I guess, hopefully someone will realize the retardedness and fix it.
As for the tourney itself, OMGSOSTOKED. Tyler, man, if you make it out of C... Just make it out of Pool C dude. YOU GOT THIS.
On May 18 2011 17:20 Roffu wrote: I never get how pools work, would neone mind explaining?
The 5 guys in each pool play once against everybody. After that is done a guy from the open bracket joins the pool and also plays against everybody in that pool, thus everybody ends up playing 5 games. If you end up first in your pool you advance further in the winners bracket. Otherwise you get seeded into the loser bracket, based on your position in the pool you will get seeded further (rounds) in the loser bracket.
On May 18 2011 17:07 Koshi wrote: Group C is the most ridiculous group I have ever seen. Together with Losira/MMA/Naniwa/Kiwi they are the 9 guys I would predict to win this tournament. And it is impossible to choose one of them. Ret please prove everybody wrong and advance out that group with a good score.
Pretty happy for Incontrol, but there is some pressure on his shoulders. NASL isn't working out for him and he has a relative easy group. But I am confident he can make it out of his group in the top 2.
Sad for TT1 and Boxxah. But once you guys make it to top 16 it will be pretty hard to get knocked out. You should be happy about that. MLG is protecting his top 16 players and you should be HAPPY about that, playing 1 bad tournament doesn't fuck everything up. Bad players will eventually go out, just fight through that open tournament again!
TT1 was seeded 3rd, the only reason he didn't go to the last MLG was because he had to play in the GSL World Championship which is pretty much a once in a lifetime thing. He went over there to represent the whole foreign scene.
Now i'm not TT1's biggest fan but the guy has every right to feel aggrieved. I'd be pissed too. Infact i think most pro gamers are with this system. This whole system is just ridiculous. He's placed well in most MLG's, even finished 2nd in one. But because he can't make it to just 1 MLG for reasons that are extremely rare. He's being punished severely for it. Meanwhile the Koreans just walk straight into the pool play despite playing no MLG games whatsoever seeded. And what do the foreigners even get in return? You play in our 5k tournament that is 3days long and get a seed that makes you extremely privileged. Get all your expenses paid for etc etc... While we get invited to play in code A which is a month long and if you're lucky and win the thing, you'll get just over 1k. Oh and you need to fund yourself living here for a month too.
Once you're in that pool play, the system is in such a way that it's REALLY hard to lose your spot. You're pretty much guaranteed at least top 25 every event. Which is just retarded, meanwhile other players have to play about 3times the games in very difficult qualifiers to be on an equal footing. I've been in competitive gaming for a long time, i played CS 1.6 competitively and went to lots of lans/events up until around 2008. So i've seen my fair share of stupid systems that people have tried to come up with. But this has got to be one of the most flawed.
I understand the logic behind the system but the honestly, it just doesn't work. It's unfair. I mean i thought the pool play was a bit too beneficial or unfair towards the players that have to work their arse off to get to a similar position before all the Korean thing went off to begin with. But at least they earned that seed with previous MLG showings. Which makes the system at least somehow justified slightly. But the Koreans are just being given something that people worked all year towards on a fucking plate.
Good Luck everybody, tough draw for everybody in group C. One thing I'm wondering, why does Incontrol have such a high seed for this tourney? Didn't Idra win an MLG last year? I guess they went off of the last mlg where incontrol did really well.
On May 18 2011 17:43 toson1 wrote: Good Luck everybody, tough draw for everybody in group C. One thing I'm wondering, why does Incontrol have such a high seed for this tourney? Didn't Idra win an MLG last year? I guess they went off of the last mlg where incontrol did really well.
It's purely on the last MLG. Not all of the past MLGs points put together like before. iNcontroL placed 4th so gets the 4th seed. IdrA 6th so gets the 6th seed etc etc...
On May 18 2011 16:43 kagemucha wrote: Might've been answered before, but why are the Koreans placed into groups so weirdly? If you follow the original 16 seeds, there is a nice snake-pattern (like NFL draft system). But then the koreans come and the order is off. It would seem to me that :
On May 18 2011 17:43 toson1 wrote: Good Luck everybody, tough draw for everybody in group C. One thing I'm wondering, why does Incontrol have such a high seed for this tourney? Didn't Idra win an MLG last year? I guess they went off of the last mlg where incontrol did really well.
points reset at the beginning of the season, so seeding will be based on the first event.
Also insane is that Gretorp is in the Championship-bracket again. He goes 0-4 in pool play, then beats Optikzero and then loses to Haypro. So that performance of 1-5 makes him #18 in Dallas, and with Huk and Socke gone he is back at top 16 for Columbus. This is just wrong.
edit: This is no personalized attack against Gretorp, but against the seeding system.
A lot of exciting matches Will be a fun event. Maybe I can make the drive down to Columbus to see it first hand depending on how my summer classes are going.
On May 18 2011 17:54 Malinor wrote: Group C is just insane.
Also insane is that Gretorp is in the Championship-bracket again. He goes 0-4 in pool play, then beats Optikzero and then loses to Haypro. So that performance of 1-5 makes him #18 in Dallas, and with Huk and Socke gone he is back at top 16 for Columbus. This is just wrong.
edit: This is no personalized attack against Gretorp, but against the seeding system.
The MLG that got him into the Championship bracket in the first place I was amazed with how well he played. He really showed some awesome games and what he is capable of. The reason it works like that is the same as with the GSL. To have some sort of net to fall back on and like you said under the system he wouldn't actually be in the pool play again. Only because people don't show up. Now to just exgagurate this point. If I get 18 place but 14 people don't show up I get the 4th seed! Has nothing to do with the system but with people not showing and thereby influencing it.
Also Group C is redonkeytron. I'm rooting for SeleCT to make it out with ret coming in second.
Tyler and Ret in the same pool, and then there's Bomber in it. And then there's Select and Idra too. Also TLO and Hayder in the same pool with Losira lol.
I am not a happy fan. =(
Meanwhile, Pool A games will be like a training session for Nani. I can actually see him winning the whole thing again.
On May 18 2011 17:54 Malinor wrote: Group C is just insane.
Also insane is that Gretorp is in the Championship-bracket again. He goes 0-4 in pool play, then beats Optikzero and then loses to Haypro. So that performance of 1-5 makes him #18 in Dallas, and with Huk and Socke gone he is back at top 16 for Columbus. This is just wrong.
edit: This is no personalized attack against Gretorp, but against the seeding system.
The MLG that got him into the Championship bracket in the first place I was amazed with how well he played. He really showed some awesome games and what he is capable of. The reason it works like that is the same as with the GSL. To have some sort of net to fall back on and like you said under the system he wouldn't actually be in the pool play again. Only because people don't show up. Now to just exgagurate this point. If I get 18 place but 14 people don't show up I get the 4th seed! Has nothing to do with the system but with people not showing and thereby influencing it.
Also Group C is redonkeytron. I'm rooting for SeleCT to make it out with ret coming in second.
Yes, the system is the problem. He goes 1-5 and the worst he could do was getting #24. Go 0-4/last place in your pool and you should at least start in the first round of the losers bracket, not in the third round.
MLG protecting their proplayers is all nice and stuff, but it just goes way too far for my taste.
On May 18 2011 16:43 kagemucha wrote: Might've been answered before, but why are the Koreans placed into groups so weirdly? If you follow the original 16 seeds, there is a nice snake-pattern (like NFL draft system). But then the koreans come and the order is off. It would seem to me that :
would make more sense statistically. Unless of course MLG is actually ranking Open Bracket players OVER the korean seeds.
Any thoughts?
I think MLG wanted to avoid #1 seed player by MLG point in the same group as #1 seed player by GSL points.
So MLG seeds start from top left (Group A) and GSL seeds start from bottom right (Group D).
No it makes perfect sense. When you seed from high to low they spread it out like this
1 2 3 6 5 4
So that the highest seed has the advantage of playing the lowest seeds available. And the middle ground plays more of the middle grounds. Which is good because it's harder to say who is better there, so you just have them play and see who wins (not who is better). Then come the Korean seeds, 7 8 9 lets see how will we put them in..
1 2 3 6 5 4 9 8 7
Putting the lowest ranking Korean in the group with the highest MLG seed. Following the same system as the MLG distribution for everyone else. It has nothing to do with MLG and GSL. GSL players get an MLG seed based on theri GSL rank and the MLG seed obviously works exactly the same for everyone.
Even though I don't know how the tournament progresses from here (i.e. how is it decided which players from the pool advance and which not), I'd say that Losira should be able to get out of his group.
Bomber has his work cut out for him, though. No matter how good somebody is, you can't feel well being in the same group with those guys...
Group C is fucking ridic lol! Bomber, Idra, SeleCT, and Ret. Daaamn, that's absurd.
B looks pretty well balanced, but doesn't have quite the same wow factor. Good race spread and good players.
A seems like a pretty free ride for Nani, despite not being on the same level as the other koreans it looks like a group Moon could do rather well in too.
D is pretty weak, Losira should do well in there though with all the ZvZ it might be volatile. Incontrol will be a contender again since it's a lot of PvZ for him, not sure I see Haypro or Machine picking up many games, and as always TLO is going to be something of a wildcard.
On May 18 2011 12:50 Cocoba wrote: My Predictions: Pool A - Naniwa, Moon Pool B - Kiwikaki, MMA or Sheth Pool C - Bomber, Idra Pool D - Losira, iNcontrol (but I feel just barely)
yeah those are pretty solid, i think the favorite to leave each group is easy to call...but the second is kinda sketchy, i dont see incontrol making it out of group imo
I will bet you one gorillion bitcoins that iNcontrol makes it out of group play.
On May 18 2011 17:54 Malinor wrote: Group C is just insane.
Also insane is that Gretorp is in the Championship-bracket again. He goes 0-4 in pool play, then beats Optikzero and then loses to Haypro. So that performance of 1-5 makes him #18 in Dallas, and with Huk and Socke gone he is back at top 16 for Columbus. This is just wrong.
edit: This is no personalized attack against Gretorp, but against the seeding system.
The MLG that got him into the Championship bracket in the first place I was amazed with how well he played. He really showed some awesome games and what he is capable of. The reason it works like that is the same as with the GSL. To have some sort of net to fall back on and like you said under the system he wouldn't actually be in the pool play again. Only because people don't show up. Now to just exgagurate this point. If I get 18 place but 14 people don't show up I get the 4th seed! Has nothing to do with the system but with people not showing and thereby influencing it.
Also Group C is redonkeytron. I'm rooting for SeleCT to make it out with ret coming in second.
Yes, the system is the problem. He goes 1-5 and the worst he could do was getting #24. Go 0-4/last place in your pool and you should at least start in the first round of the losers bracket, not in the third round.
MLG protecting their proplayers is all nice and stuff, but it just goes way too far for my taste.
I get your point now. I'll agree. Even though the protection has it perks and is pretty neat overall, it seems better if there is more risk and players can drop further. I know when looking at the losers bracket and how the pool play get's placed I was kinda shocked because it was so rediculous. It becomes like a stairway to heaven when the losers of pool get slapped on. (with this I mean the trajectory from the first round of this losers bracket to the finals is 1 million games) However I don't have a good overview to really go in depth with this.
Before reading this thread I really felt for someone like TT1 who has been screwed thoroughly by this weird system that MLG has going. He placed highly all last season including placing second at one event and that earned him a very high seed going into this season. Then he missed the first event this season and suddenly he is comepletely out of MLG and has to go unseeded through the open bracket. That being said, the way to go about it isn't responding in a whiny tone in this thread though
Mirror this to the IM not getting into GSTL. Obviously they were very disappointed and felt that they had earned a spot after performing better than any other team. But the way they've handled it and responded to it is admirable. They just accepted the situation and acknowledged that they knew the rules going into it and have to respect that.
TT1 should do the same now. He knew how it worked when he agreed to go to the GSL WC. He knew at that time, he wouldn't be seeded in the next MLG. And if he didn't then that is his and his teams fault for not reading the rules. It's too late now to change it, so complaining about it in this way isn't gonna accomplish anything except diminishing any goodwill the community would have towards you based on the situation you'd been put in. You accepted MLG's rules when you wanted to play in their tournaments. You and your team can do everything in your power to interact with MLG and help them develope a system that suits everyone, but obviously the way to accomplish it isn't whining about it here. In fact that probably only works against yo in the future. If MLG doesn't want that then either accept their terms or don't play in their tournament. But even then it would only make you look better if you didn't complain about it in this manner.
On May 18 2011 14:11 Zlasher wrote: ...Gretorp gets to stay in pool play because he was basically into top 16 by winning like one match? I'm REALLY not liking the system if it doesn't account points from before. People like Vibe, dde, mihai, etc. fought through the open bracket just to not get any help for mlg columbus?
I can't say I can agree with the system if it leads to brackets like this.
People said this format was terrible and will keep saying it's terrible because it is. I don't really understand how one can defend this format. It makes it so once you are seeded all you have to do is pitch up and you have a very high chance that you will continue to be seeded. It's a huge benefit. The format is done to almost exclude anyone outside of the top 16(Now 20). I don't see how they can keep acting as if they want to become this massive competition if they actively try and squash competition outside of their seeds.
I hope people don't stop being vocal about this. This system is ridiculous. Sure it helps players that are consistent but it helps them far too much while negatively impacting others harshly.
On May 18 2011 18:40 Vorenius wrote: Mirror this to the IM not getting into GSTL. Obviously they were very disappointed and felt that they had earned a spot after performing better than any other team. But the way they've handled it and responded to it is admirable. They just accepted the situation and acknowledged that they knew the rules going into it and have to respect that.
TT1 should do the same now. He knew how it worked when he agreed to go to the GSL WC. He knew at that time, he wouldn't be seeded in the next MLG. And if he didn't then that is his and his teams fault for not reading the rules. It's too late now to change it, so complaining about it in this way isn't gonna accomplish anything except diminishing any goodwill the community would have towards you based on the situation you'd been put in. You accepted MLG's rules when you wanted to play in their tournaments. You and your team can do everything in your power to interact with MLG and help them develope a system that suits everyone, but obviously the way to accomplish it isn't whining about it here. In fact that probably only works against yo in the future. If MLG doesn't want that then either accept their terms or don't play in their tournament. But even then it would only make you look better if you didn't complain about it in this manner.
This is rather ludicrous. The IM debate is completely different to this. Comparing the two to try make a point is just silly. TT1 making his feelings known is a good thing. It's a progamer interaction and he is showing that he echos the thoughts of many fans of the system. Telling progamers to stop posting here because they can't post what they feel like is the whole reason we don't have progamers posting. TL has become so filthy at least let it have some light with progamers posting.
I think the Koreans should have to go through the open bracket just like the rest of the players. Naniwa did it and won the tournamnet, whats stopping moon or whoever doing the same?
It is sort of like gaming racism in a way really. But not a serious form of racism. I feel sorry for anyone who played 18-22 (seeing as though 2 ppl are not showing so 16 17 should get in?).
I really feel sorry for Tyler. Group C may even have ended up harder then the best of all the other groups combined.
Group C: Select Idra Ret Tyler Bomber
Best of A,B,D: naniwa mma losira kiwikaki Sheth
These groups look kinda equal
Also I gotta add that the format is retarded. The people who where seeded last MLG is gonna stay there forever. People like Gretorp has no business beeing seeded after his last showing.
This is rather ludicrous. The IM debate is completely different to this. Comparing the two to try make a point is just silly. TT1 making his feelings known is a good thing. It's a progamer interaction and he is showing that he echos the thoughts of many fans of the system. Telling progamers to stop posting here because they can't post what they feel like is the whole reason we don't have progamers posting. TL has become so filthy at least let it have some light with progamers posting.
It's two players/teams that can't attend a tournament they clearly deserves to be in.
One decided to accept that rules are rules. The other decided to make several post in a negative tone about both the tournament organizer as well as other player competing in the tournament.
If someone doesn't like the rules that apply to them they should strive to change them.
On May 18 2011 14:11 Zlasher wrote: ...Gretorp gets to stay in pool play because he was basically into top 16 by winning like one match? I'm REALLY not liking the system if it doesn't account points from before. People like Vibe, dde, mihai, etc. fought through the open bracket just to not get any help for mlg columbus?
I can't say I can agree with the system if it leads to brackets like this.
People said this format was terrible and will keep saying it's terrible because it is. I don't really understand how one can defend this format. It makes it so once you are seeded all you have to do is pitch up and you have a very high chance that you will continue to be seeded. It's a huge benefit. The format is done to almost exclude anyone outside of the top 16(Now 20). I don't see how they can keep acting as if they want to become this massive competition if they actively try and squash competition outside of their seeds.
I hope people don't stop being vocal about this. This system is ridiculous. Sure it helps players that are consistent but it helps them far too much while negatively impacting others harshly.
These groups are kinda bs. It's almost like they went out of their way to insure teammates played each other. Would rather have teams split up...less chance for collusion.
On May 18 2011 19:17 jrdn wrote: These groups are kinda bs. It's almost like they went out of their way to insure teammates played each other. Would rather have teams split up...less chance for collusion.
On May 18 2011 19:22 Vlare wrote: Really hope IdrA/Bomber do well in group C. Also looks like Naniwa has an easy time. Rest of the pools look like meh.
On May 18 2011 19:05 FXOpen wrote: I think the Koreans should have to go through the open bracket just like the rest of the players. Naniwa did it and won the tournamnet, whats stopping moon or whoever doing the same?
It is sort of like gaming racism in a way really. But not a serious form of racism. I feel sorry for anyone who played 18-22 (seeing as though 2 ppl are not showing so 16 17 should get in?).
What about the code A invites GOM gave a few season back (and will again soon plus even a code S spot) to Huk, Moonglade etc? It's exactly the same thing they didn't have to go through horrible qualifiers (which are probably 10x harder then the MLG ones) while the korean players did.
On May 18 2011 19:05 FXOpen wrote: I think the Koreans should have to go through the open bracket just like the rest of the players. Naniwa did it and won the tournamnet, whats stopping moon or whoever doing the same?
It is sort of like gaming racism in a way really. But not a serious form of racism. I feel sorry for anyone who played 18-22 (seeing as though 2 ppl are not showing so 16 17 should get in?).
You should read the interview with Lee Chen. The whole point of the exchange is based on mutual respect between the GSL and MLG. Gom gives MLG players Code A/S spots and MLG gives Koreans spots in the seeded pools. If you want the Koreans to have to qualify through the open bracket then it would be the same as sending the MLG winners to go and qualify through Code B (which noone would actually do...consider that even when offered Code A spots, a lot of players have said they wouldn't bother taking the offer).
Forcing the invited players to qualify would defeat the entire purpose of the exchange. The way they've organised it is to give the invited players the respect they deserve and give them a seed. This exchange is about promoting international competition, and what is good for ESPORTS is obviously not necessarily good for average to middling American pros who now have to qualify through the open bracket. Unsurprisingly, most of the whining about the new format seems to be coming from this group of players =/
Arguments about the structure of the MLG format in general are fair game, but I don't see how anyone can seriously argue that seeding the Koreans into the pools is a bad idea.
Wow, they chose those four Koreans to invite? That's pretty much a guaranteed 3 of 4 in the overall top 16... The only one who's not going to come out of those groups is Moon, and that's because he just isn't very good compared to the rest of the Koreans at SC2.
Top 6 = All koreans. Group c is really hard by i don't think it is soo much harder. The names are just bigger. Ret and Tyler aren't performing that well lately. And it's obvious that the seeding for the koreans is ridicilous, like the non existing possibility to drop out of the pool.
On May 18 2011 19:05 FXOpen wrote: I think the Koreans should have to go through the open bracket just like the rest of the players. Naniwa did it and won the tournamnet, whats stopping moon or whoever doing the same?
It is sort of like gaming racism in a way really. But not a serious form of racism. I feel sorry for anyone who played 18-22 (seeing as though 2 ppl are not showing so 16 17 should get in?).
You should read the interview with Lee Chen. The whole point of the exchange is based on mutual respect between the GSL and MLG. Gom gives MLG players Code A/S spots and MLG gives Koreans spots in the seeded pools. If you want the Koreans to have to qualify through the open bracket then it would be the same as sending the MLG winners to go and qualify through Code B (which noone would actually do...consider that even when offered Code A spots, a lot of players have said they wouldn't bother taking the offer).
Forcing the invited players to qualify would defeat the entire purpose of the exchange. The way they've organised it is to give the invited players the respect they deserve and give them a seed. This exchange is about promoting international competition, and what is good for ESPORTS is obviously not necessarily good for average to middling American pros who now have to qualify through the open bracket. Unsurprisingly, most of the whining about the new format seems to be coming from this group of players =/
Arguments about the structure of the MLG format in general are fair game, but I don't see how anyone can seriously argue that seeding the Koreans into the pools is a bad idea.
No it's not comparable to code b. You are totally missing "time" in your conclusions. Aswell as money. Code A winner get's like ~1k $ but he needs to stay in korea for a month. Columbus winner get's 5k $ for a 3 day tournament. That is simply not fair for the foreigners. GSL needs foreigners to watch the gsl. Therefore they need more foreigner participating. And koreans won't watch/pay the mlg streams in the same ammount. Overall i don't think it's worth it for mlg. But definatly not for the foreign players.
On May 18 2011 21:05 Finrod1 wrote: Top 6 = All koreans. Group c is really hard by i don't think it is soo much harder. The names are just bigger. Ret and Tyler aren't performing that well lately. And it's obvious that the seeding for the koreans is ridicilous, like the non existing possibility to drop out of the pool.
Naniwa is not Korean
But you are right in the main thing, not the biggest competition for the Koreans there.
the difficulty of the groups seems to be percieved as just idras group > any other. if you took group c without idra noone would be calling it the hardest like this
if group b had idra everyone would say that one was the hardest instead : D
I think seeding the Koreans is fine, I mean it's not like they're taking anyone's place, 1 more player from pool still goes into each group. And the entire idea of the exchange is for the tournaments to respect the achievements of their respective players; if you think of GSL as a partner to MLG the Koreans have earned their spots in the same way that the other seeds earned their spot last year. Same idea with foreigners going to Code A/S.
Also Group C! Nony's got that shit tied down, ez mode.
And MLG realising what they forgot at Dallas and putting Machine and Inc in the same group.
I don´t like this championship bracket idea either, they should just have every player play the open bracket imo. I don´t see the benefits of having this group of players that have to really screw up to get demoted. The players should earn being in the championship bracket based on their current skill level, not how good they were months ago.
Am I crazy or aren't seeds 9-12 placed backwards? It has (9) Root.Drewbie in group A (10)Sjow in group B (11)Liquid.Ret in group C (12)Liquid.Haypro in group D
Shouldn't it be Drewbie in D, Sjow in C, Ret in B, Haypro in A? The rest of the seeds go in order from lower to higher from left to right except for this one line of seeds 9-12...am i missing something here or ? I hope this picture of the pools was a mistake or they messed up the bracket.
Not gonna lie, I look down the list of names and every time it gets to the bottom, I see some total BEASTS - MMA, Bomber, Losira. Moon isn't on the same level so Naniwa will be fine in his pool~
On May 18 2011 22:42 zook wrote: Am I crazy or aren't seeds 9-12 placed backwards? It has (9) Root.Drewbie in group A (10)Sjow in group B (11)Liquid.Ret in group C (12)Liquid.Haypro in group D
Shouldn't it be Drewbie in D, Sjow in C, Ret in B, Haypro in A? The rest of the seeds go in order from lower to higher from left to right except for this one line of seeds 9-12...am i missing something here or ?
no its correct A B C D 1 2 3 4 8 7 6 5 9 10 11 12 16 15 14 13 20 19 18 17
dat group C.... wonder who is the Sea of that group? Maybe Ret?
Nani, MMA, and Losira should move through undefeated ezpz... unless some monster like Thorzain manages to get through? (Anyone know if he is going to MLG?)
On May 18 2011 22:42 zook wrote: Am I crazy or aren't seeds 9-12 placed backwards? It has (9) Root.Drewbie in group A (10)Sjow in group B (11)Liquid.Ret in group C (12)Liquid.Haypro in group D
Shouldn't it be Drewbie in D, Sjow in C, Ret in B, Haypro in A? The rest of the seeds go in order from lower to higher from left to right except for this one line of seeds 9-12...am i missing something here or ?
no its correct A B C D 1 2 3 4 8 7 6 5 9 10 11 12 16 15 14 13 20 19 18 17
Why is the third line 9 10 11 12 if the rest is descending besides the first line? I don't understand this system lol. I thought it was suppose to look like this A B C D 1 2 3 4 8 7 6 5 12 11 10 9 so on and so forth
On May 18 2011 14:27 Phaint wrote: No one takes MLG seriously anyways. Once the few koreans come over and realize how much of a mess MLG is and tell their friends back home, I'm more than sure very few top names will be making the trip. Why would you? Its a disaster, fatiguing, and you can't even prepare for matches among many, many other problems.
the trip is free and if it's really easy then the winnings are free.
On May 18 2011 14:27 Phaint wrote: No one takes MLG seriously anyways. Once the few koreans come over and realize how much of a mess MLG is and tell their friends back home, I'm more than sure very few top names will be making the trip. Why would you? Its a disaster, fatiguing, and you can't even prepare for matches among many, many other problems.
what? no one takes MLG seriously? are you trolling or do you have stuff to back it up.
Don't worry. If this is the kid I think it is, he trolls the MLG forums with pointless post too.
That said. Doesn't MLG use the placings of the last tournament and then use the rank points to only seed Providence (Nats).
On May 18 2011 21:52 clownzim wrote: so many zergs...
so many terrans...
Real question... where are all the Protoss? 4 out of the top 20. I guess Huk and Socke gave up their spots but still.
Hopefully it's to Tyler's advantage as the only Protoss. I wonder how much these players prepare for their pool play when it comes to specific matchups.
And as someone said waaaay back in the thread I hope the real Ret shows up and makes us proud
Haha I wonder if MLG just enjoys watching iNcontrol play Machine. I feel bad for the Zergs of that group both iNcontrol and TLO are incredible against Z.
Also nothing against Gret0rp but how did he get top 16? Oh well gratz to him! Hopefully he has got a chance to play more since the last MLG.
Once you're in that pool play, the system is in such a way that it's REALLY hard to lose your spot. You're pretty much guaranteed at least top 25 every event. Which is just retarded, meanwhile other players have to play about 3times the games in very difficult qualifiers to be on an equal footing. I've been in competitive gaming for a long time, i played CS 1.6 competitively and went to lots of lans/events up until around 2008. So i've seen my fair share of stupid systems that people have tried to come up with. But this has got to be one of the most flawed.
How are you guaranteed a top 25 every event? If you get out of the top 16, you have to go through open the next event, possibly getting knocked out of open. If people do not show up then you get bumped. It just so happened that Gretrop AND Sheth got lucky (yet no one has mentioned Sheth) and got bumped up or else they would be going through the qualifier.
Once you're in that pool play, the system is in such a way that it's REALLY hard to lose your spot. You're pretty much guaranteed at least top 25 every event. Which is just retarded, meanwhile other players have to play about 3times the games in very difficult qualifiers to be on an equal footing. I've been in competitive gaming for a long time, i played CS 1.6 competitively and went to lots of lans/events up until around 2008. So i've seen my fair share of stupid systems that people have tried to come up with. But this has got to be one of the most flawed.
How are you guaranteed a top 25 every event? If you get out of the top 16, you have to go through open the next event, possibly getting knocked out of open. If people do not show up then you get bumped. It just so happened that Gretrop AND Sheth got lucky (yet no one has mentioned Sheth) and got bumped up or else they would be going through the qualifier.
yeah its lucky for sheth but sheth WAY deserves his spot.
anyone else feel discusted with all the hate on group a players ? their are 2 ROOT players in that group dont count them out they can easily win the whole thing . root is arguably the top team outside of korea i always say they are the foreign foU.
On May 18 2011 22:42 zook wrote: Am I crazy or aren't seeds 9-12 placed backwards? It has (9) Root.Drewbie in group A (10)Sjow in group B (11)Liquid.Ret in group C (12)Liquid.Haypro in group D
Shouldn't it be Drewbie in D, Sjow in C, Ret in B, Haypro in A? The rest of the seeds go in order from lower to higher from left to right except for this one line of seeds 9-12...am i missing something here or ?
no its correct A B C D 1 2 3 4 8 7 6 5 9 10 11 12 16 15 14 13 20 19 18 17
Why is the third line 9 10 11 12 if the rest is descending besides the first line? I don't understand this system lol. I thought it was suppose to look like this A B C D 1 2 3 4 8 7 6 5 12 11 10 9 so on and so forth
Because it is supposed to Snake. Meaning it starts on one side and then alternates starting on the other side next.
A B C D 1 2 3 4 8 7 6 5 9 10 11 12 16 15 14 13
The reason you are confused is because they added 4 koreans. So it goes in the same direction twice with...
20 19 18 17
The only reason it does this is because it's not normally a part of the group... and they wanted the weakest Korean in the best group. Not the proper way to do it... but hard to do it properly with an awkward number.
Properly it should look something like...
A B C D 1 2 3 4 8 7 6 5 9 11 12 10 15 14 13 16 20 19 18 17
I know that he isnt able to participate in this MLG because of the ESL-Finals, but will he lose any "points" he has earned until now for the next MLG after Columbus?
Why not invite top Europeans aswell as Koreans? Not more expensive for them to travel to MLG. And although they are good, its not the best koreans.
Would like to see Dimaga, WhiteRa, Thorzain, HasuObs, BratOK Kas and so on. Really weak European field, but understandable i guess, expensive trip. Takes a lot away from MLG that only the weakest of the three best servers have their top players at the event.
Its Sick I tell you, pool C will be the matches to watch, Idra and Tyler sad they are in the same group though. Machine and Incontrol so sad again. MLG will be exciting to watch. Just to see how it all unfolds. GL to all can't wait
On May 19 2011 00:38 Casablancas wrote: Why not invite top Europeans aswell as Koreans? Not more expensive for them to travel to MLG. And although they are good, its not the best koreans.
Would like to see Dimaga, WhiteRa, Thorzain, HasuObs, BratOK Kas and so on. Really weak European field, but understandable i guess, expensive trip. Takes a lot away from MLG that only the weakest of the three best servers have their top players at the event.
The Open Bracket players have not yet been announced. I can tell you that several Europeans will be attending, including ThorZaIN.
On May 19 2011 00:27 eGo.SiGns wrote: I'm wondering, what will happen with Socke?
I know that he isnt able to participate in this MLG because of the ESL-Finals, but will he lose any "points" he has earned until now for the next MLG after Columbus?
Socke will retain his MLG Dallas points, and be carried over into Anaheim.
Mewwww, EvilGenius and Liquid had no luck at all with the seeding.
Group A seems quite weak. Drewbie is playing bad. Gretorp is bad. Moon is probably the weakest korean, although he offers some great matchs from time to time. Slush is a pretty good Zerg but Naniwa is going to beat him easily.
Code D is so-so, easy wins for Losira.
Code B and C on the other hand are quite strong; lots of good players stacked together.
Independent of my play @ MLG, I do think it's kind of weird. Obviously going 1-5 (Losing to haypro to be top 20 is weird). I think the sample is kind of off as well. Not saying I would do better than 0-4 in any other group, but the people that were in my original group were ridiculously good. Idra(arguable best Z in foreign and kor), socke(1 of best P in foreign), kiwikaki(1 best p in foreign scene), huk(code s), gretorp (commentatorsup?).
The problem is people group these stats with the open bracket and it's loaded if you do.
anyways, I'm not defending my play as I think I played poorly and there exist people in the open brackets that were better than me. However we've seen that type of luck happen to other people as well, hell even in the NASL people luck out with better groups. I beat two strong players who made it far from the open tournament. :O LUCKY ME THOUGH ^^! sup?
Woa seems like MLG Columbus is shaping up to be an awesome tournament! I mean Bomber,Losira and MMA?! Those are awesome players and Moon is an alright addition^^ Also with tastosis casting some of the games i can't see this tournament not being sucessfull! GO MLG!!:D
Naniwa's group is easier than say, group C, no doubt about that, so he'll have an easy run going into the later stages of the tournament. I don't doubt that he'll win it though, he'll be aching for a comeback after tripping on the line in TSL3.
On May 19 2011 00:27 eGo.SiGns wrote: I'm wondering, what will happen with Socke?
I know that he isnt able to participate in this MLG because of the ESL-Finals, but will he lose any "points" he has earned until now for the next MLG after Columbus?
Socke will retain his MLG Dallas points, and be carried over into Anaheim.
Socke's replacements will get so many points for having insta 32 minimum that socke will likely lose out of pool play for anaheim.
On May 19 2011 01:49 iNcontroL wrote: I'm pretty flattered people look at my group and think I have it easy
THANKS GUYS!
Well, there are no Protoss in your pool, so that's a definite point in your favor. However, I lost a bit of confidence when I saw you lose to Agh in the WCG qualifiers ):
Once you're in that pool play, the system is in such a way that it's REALLY hard to lose your spot. You're pretty much guaranteed at least top 25 every event. Which is just retarded, meanwhile other players have to play about 3times the games in very difficult qualifiers to be on an equal footing. I've been in competitive gaming for a long time, i played CS 1.6 competitively and went to lots of lans/events up until around 2008. So i've seen my fair share of stupid systems that people have tried to come up with. But this has got to be one of the most flawed.
How are you guaranteed a top 25 every event? If you get out of the top 16, you have to go through open the next event, possibly getting knocked out of open. If people do not show up then you get bumped. It just so happened that Gretrop AND Sheth got lucky (yet no one has mentioned Sheth) and got bumped up or else they would be going through the qualifier.
yeah its lucky for sheth but sheth WAY deserves his spot.
Since it happens to one person you do not like (Gretrop) and it happens to one person you like (Sheth), it is unfair to give Gretrop a top 16 spot and it is fair to Sheth a top 16 spot?
On May 19 2011 00:27 eGo.SiGns wrote: I'm wondering, what will happen with Socke?
I know that he isnt able to participate in this MLG because of the ESL-Finals, but will he lose any "points" he has earned until now for the next MLG after Columbus?
Socke will retain his MLG Dallas points, and be carried over into Anaheim.
Socke's replacements will get so many points for having insta 32 minimum that socke will likely lose out of pool play for anaheim.
Socke has a fair amount of points (650), since he was 6th. The point totals are changing for Columbus due to the exchange program (new points) but the top 32 point awards are the same. I don't have the inclination to run the math, but it's not out of the question that he holds on at the low end of the top 16.
Tyler is a dumbass, all he does is spam apm on his stream, because thats all he knows how to do. seriously if you watch his stream all he does is spam apm. OMGZ I HAVE 350 APM BY PUTTING MY NEXUS ON A HOTKEY AND SOMETHING ELSE ON ANOTHER AND CLICKING THEM ALL GAME LONG!
He wont even get top 2, he says hes not scared of anyone LOFUCKINGL. he sucks. he says he isnt scared of bomber, bomber will rape his noob ass. bomber raped whitera and whitera is way better than him. Idra, Select and the others are way better than him. he sucks.
I kind of hope there's only like...one successful korean in this tourney. If they get 1-2-3 I'd feel like it'd been hijacked a bit. I'm probably being irrational. Maybe because I didn't watch any of this GSL and am not watching GSTL either so I'm not really a fan of any Korean players.
IMO Group B is as easily hard as C...I can't believe nobody else realizes this.
MMA is similar skill to Bomber, even though I'd give Bomber the edge.
Kiwi and Sjow are the same level as Idra and Select (Kiwi has back and forth record vs Idra/Select and Sjow has winning record vs Select)
A well-practiced Sheth can easily rival Ret and Moonan is underrated.
Tyler is easily the weakest link in both groups and will be a walkover in C.
Hence, B = C.
Nani and Losira will cruise through A and D...there's simply nobody in the same level in their groups. In fact, the rest of A/D are a joke compared to C/D. Group A's 2nd can be drew/Slush/Moon...pretty much a toss-up. Group D's 2nd will be Haypro and incontrol will get last in his group.
Top 3 in each: A: Nani/SLush/Moon B: Kiwi/MMA/Sheth C: Bomber/Select/Idra D: Losira/Haypro/TLO
On May 19 2011 02:38 BallerLing wrote: Tyler is a dumbass, all he does is spam apm on his stream, because thats all he knows how to do. seriously if you watch his stream all he does is spam apm. OMGZ I HAVE 350 APM BY PUTTING MY NEXUS ON A HOTKEY AND SOMETHING ELSE ON ANOTHER AND CLICKING THEM ALL GAME LONG!
He wont even get top 2, he says hes not scared of anyone LOFUCKINGL. he sucks. he says he isnt scared of bomber, bomber will rape his noob ass. bomber raped whitera and whitera is way better than him. Idra, Select and the others are way better than him. he sucks.
Nice to meet you kid, hope you enjoyed your short time here.
On May 19 2011 02:38 BallerLing wrote: Tyler is a dumbass, all he does is spam apm on his stream, because thats all he knows how to do. seriously if you watch his stream all he does is spam apm. OMGZ I HAVE 350 APM BY PUTTING MY NEXUS ON A HOTKEY AND SOMETHING ELSE ON ANOTHER AND CLICKING THEM ALL GAME LONG!
He wont even get top 2, he says hes not scared of anyone LOFUCKINGL. he sucks. he says he isnt scared of bomber, bomber will rape his noob ass. bomber raped whitera and whitera is way better than him. Idra, Select and the others are way better than him. he sucks.
On May 19 2011 02:44 LoLAdriankat wrote: Group D looks stupid weak. Either Machine or iNcontroL are going to come out of it and whoever comes out will get 4th place.
Inc - Top 4 last MLG. TLO - Ok not on fire recently but he beat Idra last MLG getting 5th and we all know he's at the very least good. Haypro - Well all the pros seem to think he's a lot better than what his results show, including Idra. Machine - Placed highly last years nationals. Good player. Losira - Is amazing.
I mean it's not Group C but come on man, it's not an easy mode route to top 4. And btw going top of your group only guarantees you top 6.
On May 19 2011 02:38 BallerLing wrote: Tyler is a dumbass, all he does is spam apm on his stream, because thats all he knows how to do. seriously if you watch his stream all he does is spam apm. OMGZ I HAVE 350 APM BY PUTTING MY NEXUS ON A HOTKEY AND SOMETHING ELSE ON ANOTHER AND CLICKING THEM ALL GAME LONG!
He wont even get top 2, he says hes not scared of anyone LOFUCKINGL. he sucks. he says he isnt scared of bomber, bomber will rape his noob ass. bomber raped whitera and whitera is way better than him. Idra, Select and the others are way better than him. he sucks.
^What KY said Holy B'Jesus, lack of respect much?
I speak the truth, hes the weakest in the group by far. Idra/Select/ Bomber will advance.
On May 19 2011 01:49 iNcontroL wrote: I'm pretty flattered people look at my group and think I have it easy
THANKS GUYS!
Well, non of these groups are easy, oviously, but you should feel very confident (Edit: especially as no. 4 seed).
You've defeated TLO last time if I'm correct (in my oppinion TLO is someone who can always take top 3, but still, you've won your last match so you should feel good going into this match) and I definitly see you in the advantage against Haypro and Machine (obviously really good Z but I see you in the lead) and then there's Losira. A beast amongst Zergs, this is where the no. 1 spot will be decided imo. I definitly see a good chance you can repeat your great run of last mlg.
Really looking forward to group C, sick sick group, everyone of these players could end up being first or last and I would even dare to say with an equal chance. Hoping for Tyler to do well.
On May 19 2011 01:49 iNcontroL wrote: I'm pretty flattered people look at my group and think I have it easy
THANKS GUYS!
Well, non of these groups are easy, oviously, but you should feel very confident.
You've defeated TLO last time if I'm correct (in my oppinion TLO is someone who can always take top 3, but still, you've won your last match so you should feel good going into this match) and I definitly see you in the advantage against Haypro and Machine (obviously really good Z but I see you in the lead) and then there's Losira. A beast amongst Zergs, this is where the no. 1 spot will be decided imo. I definitly see a good chance you can repeat your great run of last mlg.
Really looking forward to group C, sick sick group, everyone of these players could end up being first or last and I would even dare to say with an equal chance. Hoping for Tyler to do well.
I agree, first will go to losira and then 2nd will be either incontrol or tlo. However, tyler sucks.
On May 19 2011 02:38 BallerLing wrote: Tyler is a dumbass, all he does is spam apm on his stream, because thats all he knows how to do. seriously if you watch his stream all he does is spam apm. OMGZ I HAVE 350 APM BY PUTTING MY NEXUS ON A HOTKEY AND SOMETHING ELSE ON ANOTHER AND CLICKING THEM ALL GAME LONG!
He wont even get top 2, he says hes not scared of anyone LOFUCKINGL. he sucks. he says he isnt scared of bomber, bomber will rape his noob ass. bomber raped whitera and whitera is way better than him. Idra, Select and the others are way better than him. he sucks.
real mature coming to teamliquids site to trash there players. your post reminds me of the haters who used to say huk and cruncher arent world class players... grow up
On May 19 2011 02:44 LoLAdriankat wrote: Group D looks stupid weak. Either Machine or iNcontroL are going to come out of it and whoever comes out will get 4th place.
I'm not sure what you mean by "coming out of it", all players from the pool play advance to the next rounds. There's pretty much no way to get eliminated before getting a top (24 iirc) placement if you're a seeded player.
On May 19 2011 02:38 BallerLing wrote: Tyler is a dumbass, all he does is spam apm on his stream, because thats all he knows how to do. seriously if you watch his stream all he does is spam apm. OMGZ I HAVE 350 APM BY PUTTING MY NEXUS ON A HOTKEY AND SOMETHING ELSE ON ANOTHER AND CLICKING THEM ALL GAME LONG!
He wont even get top 2, he says hes not scared of anyone LOFUCKINGL. he sucks. he says he isnt scared of bomber, bomber will rape his noob ass. bomber raped whitera and whitera is way better than him. Idra, Select and the others are way better than him. he sucks.
real mature coming to teamliquids site to trash there players. your post reminds me of the haters who used to say huk and cruncher arent world class players... grow up
Cruncher isnt a world class player. hes just someone whos good because he plays protoss. actually hes not even good. he just has won because he plays protoss.
On May 19 2011 02:38 BallerLing wrote: Tyler is a dumbass, all he does is spam apm on his stream, because thats all he knows how to do. seriously if you watch his stream all he does is spam apm. OMGZ I HAVE 350 APM BY PUTTING MY NEXUS ON A HOTKEY AND SOMETHING ELSE ON ANOTHER AND CLICKING THEM ALL GAME LONG!
He wont even get top 2, he says hes not scared of anyone LOFUCKINGL. he sucks. he says he isnt scared of bomber, bomber will rape his noob ass. bomber raped whitera and whitera is way better than him. Idra, Select and the others are way better than him. he sucks.
^What KY said Holy B'Jesus, lack of respect much?
I speak the truth, hes the weakest in the group by far. Idra/Select/ Bomber will advance.
Maybe, but there is a better way of saying it, no?
On May 19 2011 02:38 BallerLing wrote: Tyler is a dumbass, all he does is spam apm on his stream, because thats all he knows how to do. seriously if you watch his stream all he does is spam apm. OMGZ I HAVE 350 APM BY PUTTING MY NEXUS ON A HOTKEY AND SOMETHING ELSE ON ANOTHER AND CLICKING THEM ALL GAME LONG!
He wont even get top 2, he says hes not scared of anyone LOFUCKINGL. he sucks. he says he isnt scared of bomber, bomber will rape his noob ass. bomber raped whitera and whitera is way better than him. Idra, Select and the others are way better than him. he sucks.
real mature coming to teamliquids site to trash there players. your post reminds me of the haters who used to say huk and cruncher arent world class players... grow up
Cruncher isnt a world class player. hes just someone whos good because he plays protoss. actually hes not even good. he just has won because he plays protoss.
if making it to the quarter finals of TSL with MC and slayers boxers isint world class i dont know what is. your clearly just venting about balance or are jealous of crunchers rize to fame.
If you look at the groups and their seed numbers from left to right on the first line it is 1-4 then if you go right below group d then it goes 5-8 to the left then repeats 9-12 to the right again then 13-16 to the left but why did they change the way they seeded the Koreans differently from the rest of the seeds.
should be Losira group A, Bomber group B, MMA group C, and moon group D
On May 19 2011 02:38 BallerLing wrote: Tyler is a dumbass, all he does is spam apm on his stream, because thats all he knows how to do. seriously if you watch his stream all he does is spam apm. OMGZ I HAVE 350 APM BY PUTTING MY NEXUS ON A HOTKEY AND SOMETHING ELSE ON ANOTHER AND CLICKING THEM ALL GAME LONG!
He wont even get top 2, he says hes not scared of anyone LOFUCKINGL. he sucks. he says he isnt scared of bomber, bomber will rape his noob ass. bomber raped whitera and whitera is way better than him. Idra, Select and the others are way better than him. he sucks.
real mature coming to teamliquids site to trash there players. your post reminds me of the haters who used to say huk and cruncher arent world class players... grow up
Cruncher isnt a world class player. hes just someone whos good because he plays protoss. actually hes not even good. he just has won because he plays protoss.
if making it to the quarter finals of TSL with MC and slayers boxers isint world class i dont know what is. your clearly just venting about balance or are jealous of crunchers rize to fame.
You cant judge the foreign vs korean play based on the tsl, with the exception of mc vs thorzain (thorzain is great, he is 'world class' imo) there was obviously losses because of lag. If you refuse to believe this just look at the world championship. foreigners could hardly take a game off koreans, with the exception of a few. and they were pretty much the best that europe has to offer. if you think cruncher is as good as whitera for example youre kidding urself. and if you think adellscott can beat mvp in a bo3 on level grounds thats even more of a joke as mvp is one of the best in the world.
Right now QXC and Painuser are just under the cut for top 20. I kinda think its a little unfair for them to get muscled out for the sake of Esports.
Heck even Tyler might get nudged out since he is sitting at 16th with 250 points, if he only picks up 16th again (sorry man not trying to Jinx ya) He only gets 250. Leaving him only 500 to go into Anahiem with. This could mean he gets knocked down into the open brackets. Technically he should still be 16-20th, but with 4 more Koreans on the way it takes up those 4 spots.
Pool A: Naniwa, dunno bout 2nd. Pool B: MMA, Kiwi. Pool C: Bomber, IdrA, Select. Maybe IdrA, Bomber, Select. Pool D: LosirA, maybe incontrol for 2nd.
Only the top player gets winners bracket right?
I don't think most of the seeded players are at the same level of play as the Koreans. You have to believe that a lot of these players are really just playing for the 5-8th prize money.
On May 19 2011 03:14 Justanx wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but I think is what Incontrol and some of the others were seeing as a Problem with the GSl invites.
As of right now the 4 Koreans will get the following points coming out of Columbus
20th =180 19th=190 18th= 200 17th= 210 If they fail to even move up (highly unlikely)
Lets just say for the sake of argument. they move into the 6 -10 spot at the end of the rounds
650, 600, 550,490
Then next at Anahiem.
4 more Koreans come and take the next 4 spots. Now its 8 spots taken
I understand its a numbers game but I can see where it might run out of control.
Right now QXC and Painuser are just under the cut for top 20. I kinda think its a little unfair for them to get muscled out for the sake of Esports.
Heck even Tyler might get nudged out since he is sitting at 16th with 250 points, if he only picks up 16th again (sorry man not trying to Jinx ya) He only gets 250. Leaving him only 500 to go into Anahiem with. This could mean he gets knocked down into the open brackets. Technically he should still be 16-20th, but with 4 more Koreans on the way it takes up those 4 spots.
Just giving my 2 cents.
I don't think they're going to put koreans in 4 at a time for every competition. MLG would turn into GomLG.
I'll never understand why MLG switched to this format, not that their old format was perfect but the way seeding is done in this one is silly. I love the idea of group play however the way players are seeded and how hard it is for anyone to move up/down in seed is kind of ridiculous. (No blame on the players, purely the seeding format).
On May 19 2011 02:38 BallerLing wrote: Tyler is a dumbass, all he does is spam apm on his stream, because thats all he knows how to do. seriously if you watch his stream all he does is spam apm. OMGZ I HAVE 350 APM BY PUTTING MY NEXUS ON A HOTKEY AND SOMETHING ELSE ON ANOTHER AND CLICKING THEM ALL GAME LONG!
He wont even get top 2, he says hes not scared of anyone LOFUCKINGL. he sucks. he says he isnt scared of bomber, bomber will rape his noob ass. bomber raped whitera and whitera is way better than him. Idra, Select and the others are way better than him. he sucks.
Lol. A really 'valuable' input to the community.
Where the fuck is hate coming from ? :D I would be interested to know.
On May 19 2011 03:14 Justanx wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but I think is what Incontrol and some of the others were seeing as a Problem with the GSl invites.
As of right now the 4 Koreans will get the following points coming out of Columbus
20th =180 19th=190 18th= 200 17th= 210 If they fail to even move up (highly unlikely)
Lets just say for the sake of argument. they move into the 6 -10 spot at the end of the rounds
650, 600, 550,490
Then next at Anahiem.
4 more Koreans come and take the next 4 spots. Now its 8 spots taken
I understand its a numbers game but I can see where it might run out of control.
Right now QXC and Painuser are just under the cut for top 20. I kinda think its a little unfair for them to get muscled out for the sake of Esports.
Heck even Tyler might get nudged out since he is sitting at 16th with 250 points, if he only picks up 16th again (sorry man not trying to Jinx ya) He only gets 250. Leaving him only 500 to go into Anahiem with. This could mean he gets knocked down into the open brackets. Technically he should still be 16-20th, but with 4 more Koreans on the way it takes up those 4 spots.
Just giving my 2 cents.
I don't think they're going to put koreans in 4 at a time for every competition. MLG would turn into GomLG.
Yep, they plan on inviting them to each competition, if I'm reading it right.
On May 19 2011 02:38 BallerLing wrote: Tyler is a dumbass, all he does is spam apm on his stream, because thats all he knows how to do. seriously if you watch his stream all he does is spam apm. OMGZ I HAVE 350 APM BY PUTTING MY NEXUS ON A HOTKEY AND SOMETHING ELSE ON ANOTHER AND CLICKING THEM ALL GAME LONG!
He wont even get top 2, he says hes not scared of anyone LOFUCKINGL. he sucks. he says he isnt scared of bomber, bomber will rape his noob ass. bomber raped whitera and whitera is way better than him. Idra, Select and the others are way better than him. he sucks.
Lol. A really 'valuable' input to the community.
Where the fuck is hate coming from ? :D I would be interested to know.
WTF does this have to do with the MLG seedings srsly
Every event moving forward will have 4 GSL Pro's invited. So those pro's that attend will accrue rank points, but don't confuse rank points with seeding.
Only 4 invited spots exist. If a GSL pro who previously attended an MLG comes in addition to the 4 invited pro's then of course we would recognize their rank points. Each league is putting up a travel, accommodations and expenses for the other league's players in the invited spots only.
Not to be harsh, but to be blunt and clear, if MLG invites 4 GSL Pro's and a 5th Pro decides to come, they're on their own financially, and their seeding falls where it may according to the MLG rank points they have accrued.
Our hope is to invite many different players from GSL to compete and give many different MLG players a chance to compete at GSL. It is, after all, a League Exchange Program.
The group selection process, is it something new or a traditional method? Looks to me like they arbitrary ranked the players and created the most uneven groups. Group C is ez for nani and maybe rightly so because he won the last MLG but that doesn't explain Group C. I believe the big ranking problem is that the Koreans got the worst ranking even though they might be some of the best players.
On May 19 2011 03:14 Justanx wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but I think is what Incontrol and some of the others were seeing as a Problem with the GSl invites.
As of right now the 4 Koreans will get the following points coming out of Columbus
20th =180 19th=190 18th= 200 17th= 210 If they fail to even move up (highly unlikely)
Lets just say for the sake of argument. they move into the 6 -10 spot at the end of the rounds
650, 600, 550,490
Then next at Anahiem.
4 more Koreans come and take the next 4 spots. Now its 8 spots taken
I understand its a numbers game but I can see where it might run out of control.
Right now QXC and Painuser are just under the cut for top 20. I kinda think its a little unfair for them to get muscled out for the sake of Esports.
Heck even Tyler might get nudged out since he is sitting at 16th with 250 points, if he only picks up 16th again (sorry man not trying to Jinx ya) He only gets 250. Leaving him only 500 to go into Anahiem with. This could mean he gets knocked down into the open brackets. Technically he should still be 16-20th, but with 4 more Koreans on the way it takes up those 4 spots.
Just giving my 2 cents.
Im not sure you get that right. MLG will pay the travel and acomodation for 4 koreans. If more want to come to the next MLG they would have to pay for themselves traveling cost. Im just curious how will the next batch of koreans will be decided on? If the players who already came could come again and so on.
On May 19 2011 03:41 MLG_Lee wrote: Every event moving forward will have 4 GSL Pro's invited. So those pro's that attend will accrue rank points, but don't confuse rank points with seeding.
Only 4 invited spots exist. If a GSL pro who previously attended an MLG comes in addition to the 4 invited pro's then of course we would recognize their rank points. Each league is putting up a travel, accommodations and expenses for the other league's players in the invited spots only.
Not to be harsh, but to be blunt and clear, if MLG invites 4 GSL Pro's and a 5th Pro decides to come, they're on their own financially, and their seeding falls where it may according to the MLG rank points they have accrued.
Our hope is to invite many different players from GSL to compete and give many different MLG players a chance to compete at GSL. It is, after all, a League Exchange Program.
Thank you Lee.
So if the 4 players do get points and get ranked. Those 4 players are welcome back but MLG is not flipping the bill. Just the 4 new players. It would behoove those players' teams to send them out again so they could stay in contention with the other players though.
On May 19 2011 03:43 archonOOid wrote: The group selection process, is it something new or a traditional method? Looks to me like they arbitrary ranked the players and created the most uneven groups. Group C is ez for nani and maybe rightly so because he won the last MLG but that doesn't explain Group C. I believe the big ranking problem is that the Koreans got the worst ranking even though they might be some of the best players.
On May 19 2011 03:14 Justanx wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but I think is what Incontrol and some of the others were seeing as a Problem with the GSl invites.
As of right now the 4 Koreans will get the following points coming out of Columbus
20th =180 19th=190 18th= 200 17th= 210 If they fail to even move up (highly unlikely)
Lets just say for the sake of argument. they move into the 6 -10 spot at the end of the rounds
650, 600, 550,490
Then next at Anahiem.
4 more Koreans come and take the next 4 spots. Now its 8 spots taken
I understand its a numbers game but I can see where it might run out of control.
Right now QXC and Painuser are just under the cut for top 20. I kinda think its a little unfair for them to get muscled out for the sake of Esports.
Heck even Tyler might get nudged out since he is sitting at 16th with 250 points, if he only picks up 16th again (sorry man not trying to Jinx ya) He only gets 250. Leaving him only 500 to go into Anahiem with. This could mean he gets knocked down into the open brackets. Technically he should still be 16-20th, but with 4 more Koreans on the way it takes up those 4 spots.
Just giving my 2 cents.
Im not sure you get that right. MLG will pay the travel and acomodation for 4 koreans. If more want to come to the next MLG they would have to pay for themselves traveling cost. Im just curious how will the next batch of koreans will be decided on? If the players who already came could come again and so on.
If I look on the flip side of this, the 4 players going to Korea will live out there for a month or so as they battle. GSL will pay for their lodging and plane, but if they stay in Code A or S will GOMtv continue to support them or will they have to come home due to lack of income?
On May 19 2011 03:41 MLG_Lee wrote: Every event moving forward will have 4 GSL Pro's invited. So those pro's that attend will accrue rank points, but don't confuse rank points with seeding.
Only 4 invited spots exist. If a GSL pro who previously attended an MLG comes in addition to the 4 invited pro's then of course we would recognize their rank points. Each league is putting up a travel, accommodations and expenses for the other league's players in the invited spots only.
Not to be harsh, but to be blunt and clear, if MLG invites 4 GSL Pro's and a 5th Pro decides to come, they're on their own financially, and their seeding falls where it may according to the MLG rank points they have accrued.
Our hope is to invite many different players from GSL to compete and give many different MLG players a chance to compete at GSL. It is, after all, a League Exchange Program.
On May 19 2011 03:14 Justanx wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but I think is what Incontrol and some of the others were seeing as a Problem with the GSl invites.
As of right now the 4 Koreans will get the following points coming out of Columbus
20th =180 19th=190 18th= 200 17th= 210 If they fail to even move up (highly unlikely)
Lets just say for the sake of argument. they move into the 6 -10 spot at the end of the rounds
650, 600, 550,490
Then next at Anahiem.
4 more Koreans come and take the next 4 spots. Now its 8 spots taken
I understand its a numbers game but I can see where it might run out of control.
Right now QXC and Painuser are just under the cut for top 20. I kinda think its a little unfair for them to get muscled out for the sake of Esports.
Heck even Tyler might get nudged out since he is sitting at 16th with 250 points, if he only picks up 16th again (sorry man not trying to Jinx ya) He only gets 250. Leaving him only 500 to go into Anahiem with. This could mean he gets knocked down into the open brackets. Technically he should still be 16-20th, but with 4 more Koreans on the way it takes up those 4 spots.
Just giving my 2 cents.
I don't think they're going to put koreans in 4 at a time for every competition. MLG would turn into GomLG.
Yep, they plan on inviting them to each competition, if I'm reading it right.
On May 19 2011 03:41 MLG_Lee wrote: Every event moving forward will have 4 GSL Pro's invited. So those pro's that attend will accrue rank points, but don't confuse rank points with seeding.
Only 4 invited spots exist. If a GSL pro who previously attended an MLG comes in addition to the 4 invited pro's then of course we would recognize their rank points. Each league is putting up a travel, accommodations and expenses for the other league's players in the invited spots only.
Not to be harsh, but to be blunt and clear, if MLG invites 4 GSL Pro's and a 5th Pro decides to come, they're on their own financially, and their seeding falls where it may according to the MLG rank points they have accrued.
Our hope is to invite many different players from GSL to compete and give many different MLG players a chance to compete at GSL. It is, after all, a League Exchange Program.
Thank you Lee.
So if the 4 players do get points and get ranked. Those 4 players are welcome back but MLG is not flipping the bill. Just the 4 new players. It would behoove those players' teams to send them out again so they could stay in contention with the other players though.
I have a question about the MLG tournament itself. Do you have to qualify or be a certain level to enter the open bracket or can anyone just show up register and play?
On May 18 2011 12:40 Corrik wrote: ^ I do agree it's unfair that Gretorp is getting a seeded spot over someone who won however many games to get to that point (I think Boxxah said he won enough to be 17th or something earlier in this thread).
what? gretorp eliminated mihai (boxaaah) from mlg dallas
gretorp took 18th...he bumped up cause 2 didn't go.. deal with it.
Do you think, incontrol, that TT1 or boxxah (I was just using him as an example to be honest) should have had to go through that many more games? Maybe Gretorp beat him, but how many did Boxxah beat that Gretorp didn't?
I agree. He took the match, but did him taking that match off him mean he did more in that tournament? Gretorp underwhelmed badly. I understand the rules. But, I think it's a shame that's how it ended up working out. Hopefully Gretorp proves me to be an idiot and does work this tournament though.
forget about that man, i bust my ass all season long last year to get top 3 and then because i have a huge opportunity presented my way and decide to miss out on the 1st mlg of the year im already forced to deal with a huge handicap, top 4 of the open tournament get seeded in the main tour and the rest of the players from the open bracket go to losers, so even if u do make it from the open bracket and dont finish in the top 4 ur pretty much screwed off the bat, while the rest of the players in the champ. bracket pretty much get everything handed to them(not putting any of the blame on them the blame is to be put on whoever came up with this retarded format)
this fucking tournament format is the stupidest shit that ive ever seen, goddddd sorry for the negativety but it makes me so mad.. had to vent out somewhere
edit: then seeing mlg giving out free invites to the kors while they pretty much tell everyone else to go claw their way throught the tournament(and all the future tournaments) is the icing on the cake ^^ so classy
I don't understand why you're mad, you made a decision to go to a more competitive tournament where you had a lot less of a chance to do well,( based on the caliber of players there). You made the decision to miss MLG, deal with it. Huk made the same decision but got knocked out of gslwc early and went through the open bracket and he was supposed to be the *TOP* seed at MLG Dallas. If you really deserve a spot in the championship pool play you'll make it through the open bracket or at least make it to the top 16.
On May 19 2011 04:27 Ex_Matt wrote: I have a question about the MLG tournament itself. Do you have to qualify or be a certain level to enter the open bracket or can anyone just show up register and play?
Anyone can show up for open. Just sign up.
Online qualifiers help you with rank points so you get a better seed at the event.
That group C is by far the toughest, but I think that IdrA will do well in it. He can beat SeleCT, but I think Bomber will take it. Let's face it Bomber is one of the best players in the world. I don't see Ret and Tyler doing too great in that group, but then again they're really good players, just really inconsistent. So who knows, maybe one of them will suddenly start doing really well.
Anyways, I want MMA to win this, as I think it would be just great. He's such a fantastic player so I'd love to see more of him play and see him win some more, it's really too bad that he's not Code S so hopefully he can clean up this tournament (let's face it there are some Code S players who are awful like TSL_Rain and MMA is way better).
From reading a lot of the posts here, people seem to think getting top2 in group play means you "advance".
Don't all the players in group play advance regardless of their records? If I understand the system correctly, players with bad group play records just get seeded into the loser bracket, but no one in group play actually gets eliminated from the tournament.
On May 19 2011 02:38 BallerLing wrote: Tyler is a dumbass, all he does is spam apm on his stream, because thats all he knows how to do. seriously if you watch his stream all he does is spam apm. OMGZ I HAVE 350 APM BY PUTTING MY NEXUS ON A HOTKEY AND SOMETHING ELSE ON ANOTHER AND CLICKING THEM ALL GAME LONG!
He wont even get top 2, he says hes not scared of anyone LOFUCKINGL. he sucks. he says he isnt scared of bomber, bomber will rape his noob ass. bomber raped whitera and whitera is way better than him. Idra, Select and the others are way better than him. he sucks.
real mature coming to teamliquids site to trash there players. your post reminds me of the haters who used to say huk and cruncher arent world class players... grow up
Cruncher isnt a world class player. hes just someone whos good because he plays protoss. actually hes not even good. he just has won because he plays protoss.
if making it to the quarter finals of TSL with MC and slayers boxers isint world class i dont know what is. your clearly just venting about balance or are jealous of crunchers rize to fame.
You cant judge the foreign vs korean play based on the tsl, with the exception of mc vs thorzain (thorzain is great, he is 'world class' imo) there was obviously losses because of lag. If you refuse to believe this just look at the world championship. foreigners could hardly take a game off koreans, with the exception of a few. and they were pretty much the best that europe has to offer. if you think cruncher is as good as whitera for example youre kidding urself. and if you think adellscott can beat mvp in a bo3 on level grounds thats even more of a joke as mvp is one of the best in the world.
how many times do huk and cruncher have to prove the haters wrong until they will be recognized for there skill? we clearlly arent going to see eye to eye on this. i must say im a bit embarassed for you that you are making excuses (lag) and trying to say TSL doesnt count and just because you are unhappy with the results. im sure whitera or mvp could take a few games off of cruncher but thats not to say hes not in the same league.
On May 19 2011 03:14 Justanx wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but I think is what Incontrol and some of the others were seeing as a Problem with the GSl invites.
As of right now the 4 Koreans will get the following points coming out of Columbus
20th =180 19th=190 18th= 200 17th= 210 If they fail to even move up (highly unlikely)
Lets just say for the sake of argument. they move into the 6 -10 spot at the end of the rounds
650, 600, 550,490
Then next at Anahiem.
4 more Koreans come and take the next 4 spots. Now its 8 spots taken
I understand its a numbers game but I can see where it might run out of control.
Right now QXC and Painuser are just under the cut for top 20. I kinda think its a little unfair for them to get muscled out for the sake of Esports.
Heck even Tyler might get nudged out since he is sitting at 16th with 250 points, if he only picks up 16th again (sorry man not trying to Jinx ya) He only gets 250. Leaving him only 500 to go into Anahiem with. This could mean he gets knocked down into the open brackets. Technically he should still be 16-20th, but with 4 more Koreans on the way it takes up those 4 spots.
Just giving my 2 cents.
but the only reason it seems so unfair is the difference in difficulty is so stark between 20th and 21st position. this would still be true no mater if koreans were invited or not. it speaks to the stupidity of the system that people who are barely different in terms of skill get such different experiences at the tourney, one guy 'protected' as if it would be the end of the world for him to go home early, the other left to the open bracket.
On May 18 2011 12:40 Corrik wrote: ^ I do agree it's unfair that Gretorp is getting a seeded spot over someone who won however many games to get to that point (I think Boxxah said he won enough to be 17th or something earlier in this thread).
what? gretorp eliminated mihai (boxaaah) from mlg dallas
gretorp took 18th...he bumped up cause 2 didn't go.. deal with it.
Do you think, incontrol, that TT1 or boxxah (I was just using him as an example to be honest) should have had to go through that many more games? Maybe Gretorp beat him, but how many did Boxxah beat that Gretorp didn't?
I agree. He took the match, but did him taking that match off him mean he did more in that tournament? Gretorp underwhelmed badly. I understand the rules. But, I think it's a shame that's how it ended up working out. Hopefully Gretorp proves me to be an idiot and does work this tournament though.
forget about that man, i bust my ass all season long last year to get top 3 and then because i have a huge opportunity presented my way and decide to miss out on the 1st mlg of the year im already forced to deal with a huge handicap, top 4 of the open tournament get seeded in the main tour and the rest of the players from the open bracket go to losers, so even if u do make it from the open bracket and dont finish in the top 4 ur pretty much screwed off the bat, while the rest of the players in the champ. bracket pretty much get everything handed to them(not putting any of the blame on them the blame is to be put on whoever came up with this retarded format)
this fucking tournament format is the stupidest shit that ive ever seen, goddddd sorry for the negativety but it makes me so mad.. had to vent out somewhere
edit: then seeing mlg giving out free invites to the kors while they pretty much tell everyone else to go claw their way throught the tournament(and all the future tournaments) is the icing on the cake ^^ so classy
I don't understand why you're mad, you made a decision to go to a more competitive tournament where you had a lot less of a chance to do well,( based on the caliber of players there). You made the decision to miss MLG, deal with it. Huk made the same decision but got knocked out of gslwc early and went through the open bracket and he was supposed to be the *TOP* seed at MLG Dallas. If you really deserve a spot in the championship pool play you'll make it through the open bracket or at least make it to the top 16.
Simple, the format, in addition to the new rules of accepting GSL players in a tournament exchange program is highly unfair to anyone playing in the open bracket, which if i remember correctly, is the tournament that pays for the prizepool of the invitees. As the tournament bracket starts to seperate themselves, and sponsored players are able to travel to more events than MLG locals, it will make even less sense for people to enter into the open bracket, as achieving enough points to compete will be next to impossible, if not flat out impossible in the later years of this tournament. Not to mention that the rankings are based off earlier MLG tournaments which may, or may not have been effected by the overall balance of the game, and we spiral into a whole new set of issues. Easily put, the ranking system, with an invite system is just to unfair for the local players playing in the open bracket, its too many obstacle for them to overcome to reach a location of receiving MLG points, and even the 4 who do qualify have tired themselves out playing the past 2 days that they are bound to give a worse performance in the final 24 tournament. NaNiwa did very well himself, but we can chop that up to very solid game play and a lack of competition, I think the chances for an Open Bracket Star lessens every tournament.
With only four players qualifying for the championship bracket from the open bracket I feel like it deters many good players with expensive travel to MLG from going, which is unfortunate.
Imagine the competition for those four slots if players like Thorzain, White-Ra, Hasuobs, Kas, Adelscott, BratOK, Dimaga, Strelok, Happy, Sen, Morrow, Jinro, TT1, Mana, Naama, Darkforce, Moonglade, Demuslim, Cloud, Tarson, Fenix, Qxc, Nightend, Grubby, Goody, Sase, Bischu, Axslav, Catz etc would go to MLG.
On May 19 2011 02:40 asdfTT123 wrote: IMO Group B is as easily hard as C...I can't believe nobody else realizes this.
MMA is similar skill to Bomber, even though I'd give Bomber the edge.
Kiwi and Sjow are the same level as Idra and Select (Kiwi has back and forth record vs Idra/Select and Sjow has winning record vs Select)
A well-practiced Sheth can easily rival Ret and Moonan is underrated.
Tyler is easily the weakest link in both groups and will be a walkover in C.
Hence, B = C.
Nani and Losira will cruise through A and D...there's simply nobody in the same level in their groups. In fact, the rest of A/D are a joke compared to C/D. Group A's 2nd can be drew/Slush/Moon...pretty much a toss-up. Group D's 2nd will be Haypro and incontrol will get last in his group.
Top 3 in each: A: Nani/SLush/Moon B: Kiwi/MMA/Sheth C: Bomber/Select/Idra D: Losira/Haypro/TLO
I agree with who you think will win each group (although I think MMA will take first in his group making B MMA/Kiwi/Sheth) and I doubt that HayprO will beat Machine (so that group will be Losira/Machine/TLO).
That being said I do not think that Group B is nearly as hard as Group C. First off Bomber outclasses every other player in those groups except for maybe IdrA. I honestly do not believe that any of the other players in either of those groups comes near to the skill level of Bomber. Same thing with IdrA, I don't think that anybody in Group B is at the level that IdrA is at; in between him adn Bomber you have a group that is absolutely scary.
But anyways, the real reason why Group C is scarier in my opinion isn't necessarily the fact that they are at a higher skill level, but rather they have more tournament results. Bomber recently won Code A, IdrA recently won the IGN proleague, Ret won Assembly Winter a little while ago, and SeleCT hasn't had a lot of 1st place finishes but he certainly has proven himself as being a competitor (plus Tyler is a great player, he just hasn't gotten super far in many big tournaments). Plus, I don't know if you remember MLG DC last year (which was a while ago and obviously all the players have improved greatly) but it was pretty clear that both IdrA and SeleCT were the two best players there.
Now let's look at Group B's results: SjoW beat White-Ra at IEM and won The Gathering, KiWiKaKi has often been the runner-up in tournaments (similarly to SeleCT), and the rest of that group has had very limited success in big tournaments. That's not to say that they aren't great players, or even that they aren't as good as the players in Group C, but let's face it: Group C's tournament results speak for themselves. That group is downright scary, and frankly
On May 18 2011 19:05 FXOpen wrote: I think the Koreans should have to go through the open bracket just like the rest of the players. Naniwa did it and won the tournamnet, whats stopping moon or whoever doing the same?
It is sort of like gaming racism in a way really. But not a serious form of racism. I feel sorry for anyone who played 18-22 (seeing as though 2 ppl are not showing so 16 17 should get in?).
What about the code A invites GOM gave a few season back (and will again soon plus even a code S spot) to Huk, Moonglade etc? It's exactly the same thing they didn't have to go through horrible qualifiers (which are probably 10x harder then the MLG ones) while the korean players did.
A lot of foreign pros don't have the resources to make that Code A invite worth it. I mean, they have to spend the money to get to Korea, then they have to spend a month in Korea, during which they cannot participate in other big tournaments around the world, they can't practice as much or get as good of practice in, and the only way they can get into Code S is if they do really well in Code A.
Plus, even if they do get to Code S, that's another month they have to spend there. I think that if GOMtv were to offer a Code S invite, then suddenly this would be way better. Way more players would be willing to go to Korea. Suddenly the possible prize literally is multiplied by about fifty times, plus it's far more prestigious.
On May 18 2011 19:05 FXOpen wrote: I think the Koreans should have to go through the open bracket just like the rest of the players. Naniwa did it and won the tournamnet, whats stopping moon or whoever doing the same?
It is sort of like gaming racism in a way really. But not a serious form of racism. I feel sorry for anyone who played 18-22 (seeing as though 2 ppl are not showing so 16 17 should get in?).
Yep.
Or make it like GSL: seed one into Code S (pool play) and three/four into Code A (open bracket round whatever)
MLG really needs to address their format, but I can't see them admitting their errors. Under their format, they're consistently going to have a good portion of B-talent among the seeds.
On May 18 2011 19:05 FXOpen wrote: I think the Koreans should have to go through the open bracket just like the rest of the players. Naniwa did it and won the tournamnet, whats stopping moon or whoever doing the same?
It is sort of like gaming racism in a way really. But not a serious form of racism. I feel sorry for anyone who played 18-22 (seeing as though 2 ppl are not showing so 16 17 should get in?).
What about the code A invites GOM gave a few season back (and will again soon plus even a code S spot) to Huk, Moonglade etc? It's exactly the same thing they didn't have to go through horrible qualifiers (which are probably 10x harder then the MLG ones) while the korean players did.
Well, the comparisons don't exactly work because there's basically two tiers in MLG 1) pool play, which is desirable 2) open brackets, which you'd want to avoid
but three tiers in GSL 1) Code S, which is desirable 2) Code A, which is not as desirable, but better than Code B 3) Code B, which you'd want to avoid
Koreans are seeded into the first tier at MLG, but MLG performers are seeded into the much less desirable 2nd tier of GSL.
Now that changes after Columbus, with the winner of MLG getting Code S straight away, so what I proposed a bit earlier was a similar exchange, seeding one Korean into the MLG pool play and the other three into round 2 or 3 of the open bracket.
edit: or alternatively, seed the MLG winners straight into Code S
omg, Group C is amazing. I feel so bad for Tyler. I know on STOG he was trying to sound confident, but he has to realize there's a good chance he gets 4-0ed.
Also funny that inControl got put in the same group as Machine and TLO.
Jesus as eveyrone has notice group C is def stacked. I feel really bad for some of those players because they are some of the top tier players in a disgusting group
I am concerned about players accumulating rank points from their invites. MLG rank points are worth a heck of a lot more than GSL rank points. After MLG Columbus those 4 Koreans are going to continue to be seeded in the championship bracket unless they *really, really* screw up. Because after you get in the championship bracket its very tough to leave it, as evidenced by Gretorp.
Getting an all-expense-paid invite is a big enough advantage as it is. Gaining rank points from said invite (even if you lose every single match) is too much.
If koreans want rank points from MLG then they should run the gauntlet in the open bracket, just like everyone else. The same goes for foreigners invited into GSL.
On May 19 2011 06:34 kNightLite wrote: I am concerned about players accumulating rank points from their invites. MLG rank points are worth a heck of a lot more than GSL rank points. After MLG Columbus those 4 Koreans are going to continue to be seeded in the championship bracket unless they *really, really* screw up. Because after you get in the championship bracket its very tough to leave it, as evidenced by Gretorp.
Don't forget that there are at least 16 players in the seeded pools who are going into this tournament with rank points already and will only add to that at Columbus, while the Koreans enter with 0 points.
On May 18 2011 19:05 FXOpen wrote: I think the Koreans should have to go through the open bracket just like the rest of the players. Naniwa did it and won the tournamnet, whats stopping moon or whoever doing the same?
It is sort of like gaming racism in a way really. But not a serious form of racism. I feel sorry for anyone who played 18-22 (seeing as though 2 ppl are not showing so 16 17 should get in?).
What about the code A invites GOM gave a few season back (and will again soon plus even a code S spot) to Huk, Moonglade etc? It's exactly the same thing they didn't have to go through horrible qualifiers (which are probably 10x harder then the MLG ones) while the korean players did.
Well, the comparisons don't exactly work because there's basically two tiers in MLG 1) pool play, which is desirable 2) open brackets, which you'd want to avoid
but three tiers in GSL 1) Code S, which is desirable 2) Code A, which is not as desirable, but better than Code B 3) Code B, which you'd want to avoid
Koreans are seeded into the first tier at MLG, but MLG performers are seeded into the much less desirable 2nd tier of GSL.
Now that changes after Columbus, with the winner of MLG getting Code S straight away, so what I proposed a bit earlier was a similar exchange, seeding one Korean into the MLG pool play and the other three into round 2 or 3 of the open bracket.
edit: or alternatively, seed the MLG winners straight into Code S
Is it fair? Not really.
But it is profitable. Having Koreans play would definitely up the level of competition. And let's be realistic, if Koreans had to go through the open bracket no Koreans would join, as who would be willing to pay for a plane ticket just to go to Open Bracket (and potentially get nothing?) - makes 0 sense whatsoever. It's hard enough to convince Huk (who isn't coming, even though GSL purposefully made time in its schedule for MLG and he could have qualified directly to pool play).
Overall I like the decision. Great chance to see how koreans stack up in a LAN environment against some very good-quality NA players (as opposed to sending two or three players, like Idra/Huk/Jinro, to Korea to play a whole bunch of Koreans).
That's a damn good exchange for NA players, going straight to Code A OR S is pretty desirable. I'd say MLG made out better on this one, obviously it's a deal GSL wants to make because they want more foreign players (without sounding ridiculously unfair by handpicking invites like last time) to increase the interest from foreigners, but still, in terms of quality, you're going to have players jumping straight to Code S that would never be able to get there going from Code A qualis.
On May 19 2011 07:12 Scorpius wrote: Thorzain isnt he gonna play MLG?? didnt he say that after he won TSL3 that he was gonna play?!
Yep, and since he's never been to an MLG before and doesn't appear to be one of the Korean invites, it stands to reason that he'll be going through the open bracket.
On May 19 2011 06:34 kNightLite wrote: I am concerned about players accumulating rank points from their invites. MLG rank points are worth a heck of a lot more than GSL rank points. After MLG Columbus those 4 Koreans are going to continue to be seeded in the championship bracket unless they *really, really* screw up. Because after you get in the championship bracket its very tough to leave it, as evidenced by Gretorp.
Don't forget that there are at least 16 players in the seeded pools who are going into this tournament with rank points already and will only add to that at Columbus, while the Koreans enter with 0 points.
Although that's certainly true, I'm not worried about invited koreans placing above existing top 16. I'm more worried about invited koreans placing above open bracket winners.
Only 4 players dropped out of the championship bracket last MLG. I think it's going to be even less this MLG with the korean invites.
On May 19 2011 07:07 SillyPrincess wrote: Pool A: Nani+Moon Pool B: KiWiKaKi+MMA Pool C: IdrA+SeleCT Pool D: Losira+Machine
Are you insane? You know there are arguments that Bomber is the best player in the world right?
You have much to learn when it comes to predictions young padawan. tournaments almost always have an/several upsets now if that's bomber or not I have no idea but I wouldn't shit on his predictions just cause he didn't pick the "best" player in the world... there's a new best player in the world everyday it seems as well..
only problem with his predictions are that only 1 player advancing like in Dallas and they go straight to winner bracket semi finals or something so only makes sense to pick the winner of each group imo.
Group C will be insane. I'm particularly excited about Bomber vs Idra. First real test for Idra since his return to US.
Group A : Nani and Moon or Drewbie (Drewbie is inconsistent, but in a good day he can be very powerful, and he usually is in a good day at LANs) Group B : MMA and Sjow or Kiwi. The Sjow vs Kiwi will be the decider. Group C : this group is so hard....Bomber, Ret, Idra, Select can all advance. Tyler I don't know. The sure thing is everyone will take games from everyone and this will be very close. Group D : Losira and a very hard to predict second place. My first guess would be TLO.
Anyway, between tastosis, the Kor invites, the dual stream, the booths, this event will be GREAT.
On May 19 2011 07:07 SillyPrincess wrote: Pool A: Nani+Moon Pool B: KiWiKaKi+MMA Pool C: IdrA+SeleCT Pool D: Losira+Machine
Are you insane? You know there are arguments that Bomber is the best player in the world right?
Why? Because he beat MVP?
He has so few games played it's hard to make a broad judgment like this.
Lmfao. He beat MvP in a best of 7. Do you realize how few players in the world can do that? He also beat White- Ra 8 to 2! He also all killed OGS in the GSTL, stomped his way through Code A and won. Those achievements alone put him way ahead of Select, I'm sorry but Bomber will 4-0 or 3-1 his group. He may have a problem against Zergs because a lot of Terrans are having trouble with that matchup at the moment.
And to further the emphasis that he will beat Select, on his way to Code A he beat MMA and Ryung.
I bet Select wishes he had lost those series against incontrol. Group C is stacked but I still think that Bomber won't drop a bo3 in it. It looks like Naniwa can go undefeated once again. Overall group A looks by far the weakest while C is completely stacked (I'm afraid that Nony won't be able to take a bo3 from anybody in his group )
On May 19 2011 07:07 SillyPrincess wrote: Pool A: Nani+Moon Pool B: KiWiKaKi+MMA Pool C: IdrA+SeleCT Pool D: Losira+Machine
Are you insane? You know there are arguments that Bomber is the best player in the world right?
Why? Because he beat MVP?
He has so few games played it's hard to make a broad judgment like this.
Lmfao. He beat MvP in a best of 7. Do you realize how few players in the world can do that? He also beat White- Ra 8 to 2! He also all killed OGS in the GSTL, stomped his way through Code A and won. Those achievements alone put him way ahead of Select, I'm sorry but Bomber will 4-0 or 3-1 his group. He may have a problem against Zergs because a lot of Terrans are having trouble with that matchup at the moment.
And to further the emphasis that he will beat Select, on his way to Code A he beat MMA and Ryung.
lmao. He beat MvP in a best of 7 -> Indicating he (might) be the best at this matchup
He also beat White- Ra 8 to 2! -> point?
He also all killed OGS in the GSTL, stomped his way through Code A and won -> I see nothing about an all-kill, as he lost to MC. Winning Code A is nice though, but MVP won GSL code S TWICE.
Those achievements alone put him way ahead of Select, I'm sorry but Bomber will 4-0 or 3-1 his group. He may have a problem against Zergs because a lot of Terrans are having trouble with that matchup at the moment. -> Doubt it. And terran are doing fine in TvZ.
On May 19 2011 07:41 ggrrg wrote: I bet Select wishes he had lost those series against incontrol. Group C is stacked but I still think that Bomber won't drop a bo3 in it. It looks like Naniwa can go undefeated once again. Overall group A looks by far the weakest while C is completely stacked (I'm afraid that Nony won't be able to take a bo3 from anybody in his group )
Yeah, I guess a lot of players are pretty angry about korean coming to MLG. Make me thing I have to read the thread about this announcement yet, I guess it's filled with drama.
On May 18 2011 11:43 GTR wrote: group c is more group of death than what group d was of the current msl.
Um...You do know that group D of the current MSL had arguably the 3 best starcraft players of all time in it right? We are talking about Flash, Jaedong, and Bisu here... There is no way group C compares to that imo. Im really hope you are trolling lol.
On May 19 2011 07:07 SillyPrincess wrote: Pool A: Nani+Moon Pool B: KiWiKaKi+MMA Pool C: IdrA+SeleCT Pool D: Losira+Machine
Are you insane? You know there are arguments that Bomber is the best player in the world right?
Why? Because he beat MVP?
He has so few games played it's hard to make a broad judgment like this.
Lmfao. He beat MvP in a best of 7. Do you realize how few players in the world can do that? He also beat White- Ra 8 to 2! He also all killed OGS in the GSTL, stomped his way through Code A and won. Those achievements alone put him way ahead of Select, I'm sorry but Bomber will 4-0 or 3-1 his group. He may have a problem against Zergs because a lot of Terrans are having trouble with that matchup at the moment.
And to further the emphasis that he will beat Select, on his way to Code A he beat MMA and Ryung.
lmao. He beat MvP in a best of 7 -> Indicating he (might) be the best at this matchup
He also beat White- Ra 8 to 2! -> point?
He also all killed OGS in the GSTL, stomped his way through Code A and won -> I see nothing about an all-kill, as he lost to MC. Winning Code A is nice though, but MVP won GSL code S TWICE.
Those achievements alone put him way ahead of Select, I'm sorry but Bomber will 4-0 or 3-1 his group. He may have a problem against Zergs because a lot of Terrans are having trouble with that matchup at the moment. -> Doubt it. And terran are doing fine in TvZ.
You admit that by beating the best Terran in the world he might be the best tvt player in the world. Ok.
Then you throw away his 8-2ing White Ra. Ok. If he 8-2's White Ra, what on Earth do you think he will do to a underperforming Tyler?
Quote from Liquipedia: He scored an all-kill against oGs, won the deciding two games in the finals against ZeNex, and amassed a record of 11-2
Doubt it? Vegas odds would probably put Bomber as most likely to win MLG, and your saying you doubt him going 4-0 or 3-1 in his group? I don't understand what arguments you can make that he is worse than Tyler, Select, or Ret. Idra can beat him, no doubt, but it will be hard.
On May 19 2011 02:38 BallerLing wrote: Tyler is a dumbass, all he does is spam apm on his stream, because thats all he knows how to do. seriously if you watch his stream all he does is spam apm. OMGZ I HAVE 350 APM BY PUTTING MY NEXUS ON A HOTKEY AND SOMETHING ELSE ON ANOTHER AND CLICKING THEM ALL GAME LONG!
He wont even get top 2, he says hes not scared of anyone LOFUCKINGL. he sucks. he says he isnt scared of bomber, bomber will rape his noob ass. bomber raped whitera and whitera is way better than him. Idra, Select and the others are way better than him. he sucks.
real mature coming to teamliquids site to trash there players. your post reminds me of the haters who used to say huk and cruncher arent world class players... grow up
Cruncher isnt a world class player. hes just someone whos good because he plays protoss. actually hes not even good. he just has won because he plays protoss.
if making it to the quarter finals of TSL with MC and slayers boxers isint world class i dont know what is. your clearly just venting about balance or are jealous of crunchers rize to fame.
You cant judge the foreign vs korean play based on the tsl, with the exception of mc vs thorzain (thorzain is great, he is 'world class' imo) there was obviously losses because of lag. If you refuse to believe this just look at the world championship. foreigners could hardly take a game off koreans, with the exception of a few. and they were pretty much the best that europe has to offer. if you think cruncher is as good as whitera for example youre kidding urself. and if you think adellscott can beat mvp in a bo3 on level grounds thats even more of a joke as mvp is one of the best in the world.
how many times do huk and cruncher have to prove the haters wrong until they will be recognized for there skill? we clearlly arent going to see eye to eye on this. i must say im a bit embarassed for you that you are making excuses (lag) and trying to say TSL doesnt count and just because you are unhappy with the results. im sure whitera or mvp could take a few games off of cruncher but thats not to say hes not in the same league.
Rofl
Cruncher is a joke, and HuK isn't much better. People are saying that lag affected the results, not because they were unhappy with the results, but because there was in fact an issue with lag. It's hard to be *too* serious with results when you know that one player is handicapped. It doesn't necessarily mean that the foreigners who did beat koreans can never compete with them, but simply that the results don't mean as much.
It's usually better to observe and comment on particular player's play across a wide range of games rather than dig up a couple good tournament wins and say that therefore they must be top level. Example - instead of saying MVP is good because he won 2 GSL's, I would rather say he is good because of his many diverse opening builds, his strong decision making in the mid to late game, and finally his ability to multitask very well.
Its laughable people say Cruncher is doing well because he is protoss.
Check the GSL supertournament. 29 terrans 19 zerg and 16 protoss... This shows its actually harder to be good with Protoss, atleast than terran, and on par with Zerg.
REALLY looking forward to this event, great casters, great players, awesome matchups, damn i'd like to see every match of that weekend ! great setup @ MLG , thank you *bows*
On May 19 2011 12:16 TheBJ wrote: On a more serious note i cant see bomber or losira being outmatched.
Yeah I agree, although Bomber's group is considerably harder. I wouldn't be surprised to see him drop games to IdrA or SelecT. But I'd be surprised if LosirA dropped a game...
The number of players of a certain race in the GSL. Does not imply that the protoss is underpowered nor does it imply that terran is overpowered. There are many more factors than simple race representation in a single tournament. Please choose data that logically supports the point you are going to make.
On May 18 2011 19:05 FXOpen wrote: I think the Koreans should have to go through the open bracket just like the rest of the players. Naniwa did it and won the tournamnet, whats stopping moon or whoever doing the same?
It is sort of like gaming racism in a way really. But not a serious form of racism. I feel sorry for anyone who played 18-22 (seeing as though 2 ppl are not showing so 16 17 should get in?).
You should read the interview with Lee Chen. The whole point of the exchange is based on mutual respect between the GSL and MLG. Gom gives MLG players Code A/S spots and MLG gives Koreans spots in the seeded pools. If you want the Koreans to have to qualify through the open bracket then it would be the same as sending the MLG winners to go and qualify through Code B (which noone would actually do...consider that even when offered Code A spots, a lot of players have said they wouldn't bother taking the offer).
Forcing the invited players to qualify would defeat the entire purpose of the exchange. The way they've organised it is to give the invited players the respect they deserve and give them a seed. This exchange is about promoting international competition, and what is good for ESPORTS is obviously not necessarily good for average to middling American pros who now have to qualify through the open bracket. Unsurprisingly, most of the whining about the new format seems to be coming from this group of players =/
Arguments about the structure of the MLG format in general are fair game, but I don't see how anyone can seriously argue that seeding the Koreans into the pools is a bad idea.
The point that I was trying to make was that there are people of similar calibre in the open brackets, not getting a free lunch. And many players around the world just as capable/highly skilled whom are not going because there is no free lunch.
I think that the entire format needs to change in order to make way for 'invited' players. Because the excessively large open bracket is murder, no one should have to play 30 bo3 games in a tournament. (yes I know im exaggerating, but just making a point.)
On May 18 2011 11:40 CAPSLOCKED wrote: Looks like nani wont be dropping any maps again!
Yeah that was pretty much my first impression as well.
All Pool C matches will feel like a bunch of semi finals matches. I think Tyler might surprise a lot people and look at his strongest since bw.
This could be TLO's tournament I believe, anyone that has been watching his stream must realize how sick he is playing when he stays focused. Losira or TLO takes that group I believe, Incontrol is casting and doing other things to much and TLO in his new gamer house (and a fully recovered TLO from his injury) is looking scary, but then there is of course Losira :p.
So hyped for this tournament.....going to be amazing (right Sundance).
Group C has really become the group of death. Hoping that TL takes this MLG apart like they did Dallas last year but its gonna be tough with the Koreans around. Will Thorzain enter through the open bracket? Could someone please explain to me how does the open bracket work? Also How were the GSL players chosen to come to MLG?
On May 20 2011 00:07 ValM wrote: Group C has really become the group of death. Hoping that TL takes this MLG apart like they did Dallas last year but its gonna be tough with the Koreans around. Will Thorzain enter through the open bracket? Could someone please explain to me how does the open bracket work? Also How were the GSL players chosen to come to MLG?
The open bracket has is open to anyone who wishes to sign up and compete at an MLG event. The open bracket has a winners and losers bracket (double elimination tourny). The top four of the winner's bracket advance to pool play and the top 8 in the losers bracket advance to the first round of loser championship bracket.
Then the pool play results are used to seed the Championship winners bracket and losers bracket.
I'll try to edit this with exact bracket placing you would get based on the pool play seed you receive.
These don't even make sense...where is TT1? He placed 2nd in an MLG and is not in the groups? Yet other players who haven't done well (Gretorp, etc.) get into the groups? I just don't get it...am I just missing the obvious or?
On May 19 2011 02:38 BallerLing wrote: Tyler is a dumbass, all he does is spam apm on his stream, because thats all he knows how to do. seriously if you watch his stream all he does is spam apm. OMGZ I HAVE 350 APM BY PUTTING MY NEXUS ON A HOTKEY AND SOMETHING ELSE ON ANOTHER AND CLICKING THEM ALL GAME LONG!
He wont even get top 2, he says hes not scared of anyone LOFUCKINGL. he sucks. he says he isnt scared of bomber, bomber will rape his noob ass. bomber raped whitera and whitera is way better than him. Idra, Select and the others are way better than him. he sucks.
real mature coming to teamliquids site to trash there players. your post reminds me of the haters who used to say huk and cruncher arent world class players... grow up
Cruncher isnt a world class player. hes just someone whos good because he plays protoss. actually hes not even good. he just has won because he plays protoss.
if making it to the quarter finals of TSL with MC and slayers boxers isint world class i dont know what is. your clearly just venting about balance or are jealous of crunchers rize to fame.
You cant judge the foreign vs korean play based on the tsl, with the exception of mc vs thorzain (thorzain is great, he is 'world class' imo) there was obviously losses because of lag. If you refuse to believe this just look at the world championship. foreigners could hardly take a game off koreans, with the exception of a few. and they were pretty much the best that europe has to offer. if you think cruncher is as good as whitera for example youre kidding urself. and if you think adellscott can beat mvp in a bo3 on level grounds thats even more of a joke as mvp is one of the best in the world.
how many times do huk and cruncher have to prove the haters wrong until they will be recognized for there skill? we clearlly arent going to see eye to eye on this. i must say im a bit embarassed for you that you are making excuses (lag) and trying to say TSL doesnt count and just because you are unhappy with the results. im sure whitera or mvp could take a few games off of cruncher but thats not to say hes not in the same league.
Rofl
Cruncher is a joke, and HuK isn't much better. People are saying that lag affected the results, not because they were unhappy with the results, but because there was in fact an issue with lag. It's hard to be *too* serious with results when you know that one player is handicapped. It doesn't necessarily mean that the foreigners who did beat koreans can never compete with them, but simply that the results don't mean as much.
It's usually better to observe and comment on particular player's play across a wide range of games rather than dig up a couple good tournament wins and say that therefore they must be top level. Example - instead of saying MVP is good because he won 2 GSL's, I would rather say he is good because of his many diverse opening builds, his strong decision making in the mid to late game, and finally his ability to multitask very well.
cruncher is consistantly proving himself to be a top contender if not the next best foriegner outside of korea.. as for huK 2 seasons of code-s now i think you need to stop hating its undeniable he is s-class.
On May 20 2011 03:11 drewbie.root wrote: it only counts 2011 mlgs, which tt1 didn't attend ;(
Thank you for clearing that up for me <3
Yeah, only the first event of 2011 - Dallas - used points from the 2010 season for seeding. For Columbus onward, 2011 season points are being used for priority seeding, as drewbie said. Though it was in the competition format explanation for Dallas back in February, this seems to be one of those tidbits of information that was overlooked by a lot of folks (probably because it wasn't part of the OP's in their press releases posted on TL, I'm guessing).
So yep, if you skipped Dallas, you're starting from zero.
On May 19 2011 14:09 darmousseh wrote: Predictions
Group A Naniwa 4-0 Slush 3-1 Moon 2-2 Drewbie 1-3 Gretorp 0-4
Group B Kiwikaki 4-0 MMA 3-1 Sjow 1-3 Sheth 1-3 Moonan 1-3
Group C Idra 4-0 Select 2-2* Ret 2-2 Bomber 2-2 Tyler 0-4
Group D Losira 4-0 Incontrol 3-1 Haypro 2-2 TLO 1-3 Machine 0-4
I don't know if you've seen MMA and Bomber play, but MMA won't lose to KiWiKaKi and Bomber certainly won't lose to SeleCT or Ret (I could see him losing to the Gracken). Also HayprO isn't nearly as good as Machine in my opinion, but that's not a big deal. Other than that I agree with what you posted.
Sad that there will be a few liquid teamkills, and pool A seems rather weak except for Nani, but this will be interesting depending on the open seed positions.
On May 19 2011 14:09 darmousseh wrote: Predictions
Group A Naniwa 4-0 Slush 3-1 Moon 2-2 Drewbie 1-3 Gretorp 0-4
Group B Kiwikaki 4-0 MMA 3-1 Sjow 1-3 Sheth 1-3 Moonan 1-3
Group C Idra 4-0 Select 2-2* Ret 2-2 Bomber 2-2 Tyler 0-4
Group D Losira 4-0 Incontrol 3-1 Haypro 2-2 TLO 1-3 Machine 0-4
I don't know if you've seen MMA and Bomber play, but MMA won't lose to KiWiKaKi and Bomber certainly won't lose to SeleCT or Ret (I could see him losing to the Gracken). Also HayprO isn't nearly as good as Machine in my opinion, but that's not a big deal. Other than that I agree with what you posted.
yeah he beat mvp in a tvt losing to select just won't happen unless he gets owned by jet lag.
mma is my pick to win the tourny. best ace in gstl and gstl is unpredictable for matchups and maps and thats what mlg is.
On May 20 2011 07:40 DrBeansy wrote: is there any chance of thorzain or demuslim entering through the open bracket? i dont know how the open bracket works :S
On May 20 2011 07:40 DrBeansy wrote: is there any chance of thorzain or demuslim entering through the open bracket? i dont know how the open bracket works :S
DeMu said that he was practicing hard for MLG on his stream, so he is confirmed.
again apology for my ignorance, but how does the open bracket work? massive tournament of gaming to decide the lucky 4 that go into the pool with the big dogs?
I would pay 10 bucks just to see group C have a mini tournament. I live in Columbus and can't freaking wait to go see all of the players I watch stream. Any tips on what to do when you get slightly aroused by Idra in real life?
On May 20 2011 07:40 DrBeansy wrote: is there any chance of thorzain or demuslim entering through the open bracket? i dont know how the open bracket works :S
DeMu said that he was practicing hard for MLG on his stream, so he is confirmed.
I think group B and C are very even. This is how I would rank the players, best -> worst top -> bottom, in each group based on what I´ve seen from them. If these matches would be played I could see all of them go either way.
Hope that naniwa stomps everyone again. I think the loss in TSL will drive him to win this MLG, and I really hope that TLO gets some revenge on InControl.
On May 20 2011 16:56 genius_man16 wrote: Dear lord, when you talk about groups of death, Group C certainly comes to mind. IdrA really doesn't have good luck when it comes to groups.
At least he still seems to dominate anyway. IdrA fighting!
On May 19 2011 14:09 darmousseh wrote: Predictions
Group A Naniwa 4-0 Slush 3-1 Moon 2-2 Drewbie 1-3 Gretorp 0-4
Group B Kiwikaki 4-0 MMA 3-1 Sjow 1-3 Sheth 1-3 Moonan 1-3
Group C Idra 4-0 Select 2-2* Ret 2-2 Bomber 2-2 Tyler 0-4
Group D Losira 4-0 Incontrol 3-1 Haypro 2-2 TLO 1-3 Machine 0-4
I don't know if you've seen MMA and Bomber play, but MMA won't lose to KiWiKaKi and Bomber certainly won't lose to SeleCT or Ret (I could see him losing to the Gracken). Also HayprO isn't nearly as good as Machine in my opinion, but that's not a big deal. Other than that I agree with what you posted.
yeah he beat mvp in a tvt losing to select just won't happen unless he gets owned by jet lag.
mma is my pick to win the tourny. best ace in gstl and gstl is unpredictable for matchups and maps and thats what mlg is.
Yeah I think that MMA vs Bomber could definitely be a final. I want MMA to win but I don't know if he can handle Bomber, but who knows. I wonder how much these players will be effected by jet lag and how much it will effect their games. I kind of want IdrA to win it, though, just because he's such a solid player. But despite the Koreans and the Group of Death (C that is, anyone who says B looks scarier is stupid), I think NaNiwa could easily take this tournament. He'll almost certainly take his group 4-0, but I wonder how he'll match up against Bomber and MMA.
I find it interesting how quickly some people write off nony. Theres no doubt he's been in a slump, but it's not as if he is losing all his games. He lost in tsl to the eventual winner, he had a pretty tough group in the last mlg, and he's 2-3 in the nasl. These are definitely sub-par stats from the nony we love, but he's not really being dominated. Lately he's been playing well in the NASL, so i'm really excited to see if this is where we see the return of nony to top form. I really think that this could be a very interesting storyline. He has a chance to continue his slump and lose to some great players. Or, if he manages to make top 2 in the group of death, I think the storyline of all of MLG Columbus will be the return of nony.
On May 20 2011 23:36 GreEny K wrote: Hope that naniwa stomps everyone again. I think the loss in TSL will drive him to win this MLG, and I really hope that TLO gets some revenge on InControl.
On May 20 2011 23:36 GreEny K wrote: Hope that naniwa stomps everyone again. I think the loss in TSL will drive him to win this MLG, and I really hope that TLO gets some revenge on InControl.
Im liking Bomber and Idra for Group C, while the rest of the group is indeed very high level, I just have an incling that those 2 have the little extra umph that will cause them to prevail out of the group. For Group D, I think the discussion comes from who will be 2nd, as I cannot see Losira do anything except dominating that group.
Pool C looks vicious. I'm hoping for Losira to due well at this event. I love watching that macro monster. His group looks pretty weak too. ZERG Pride. No more PVP finals.
i dont know why people pick mma over bomber. bomber beat him twice before, and bomber beat mvp and ryung as well. mma lost to huk too. perhaps mma is better for teamleagues, but certainly not for individual league for the time being.
On May 23 2011 13:25 BlackGosu wrote: i dont know why people pick mma over bomber. bomber beat him twice before, and bomber beat mvp and ryung as well. mma lost to huk too. perhaps mma is better for teamleagues, but certainly not for individual league for the time being.
I hope that Socke will get into pool play in the next MLG, but I don't really know how the system works, so I have no clue if it's likely or not.
Is there something like point-decay? Socke was 6th in Dallas.Will he have the same amount of points like a player who wasn't in Dallas and placed 6th in Columbus?
On May 23 2011 22:39 vdale wrote: I hope that Socke will get into pool play in the next MLG, but I don't really know how the system works, so I have no clue if it's likely or not.
Is there something like point-decay? Socke was 6th in Dallas.Will he have the same amount of points like a player who wasn't in Dallas and placed 6th in Columbus?
Pool C looks terrifying,Idra vs Select vs Bomber vs 2 TL members. Naniwa and Losira will not drop a single map in their groups,and Group B looks pretty promising, I think Sheth can upset most people here and come on on top. Here's to hoping that this tour will be awesome!!!
Hmm... maybe socke isn't going? Because his 6th place should qualify him for a pool play spot (your only points are what you earned at MLG Dallas... they don't go back to last season).
Same with sixjax_mihai. He must be away from the game or something though, because he hasn't been competing in EMCS either.
Gonna be so nice to see Select play again, guys so fun to watch every MLG just hope he doesn't end up hitting Naniwa again those games hurt my brain, Select ftw! ^^
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(( I hope the real ret turns up and he should do fine.
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real mature coming to teamliquids site to trash there players. your post reminds me of the haters who used to say huk and cruncher arent world class players... grow up
