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Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
May 18 2011 04:06 GMT
#181
On May 18 2011 13:01 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 13:00 Corrik wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:59 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:57 Corrik wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:50 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:32 425kid wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:28 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:22 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:08 TT1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote:
nooooooooo 1 spot off =(


yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?

btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever


Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!

And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.



Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.

He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...



And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.


Only because some people didn't show up. (Including Huk who ultimately did end up showing up.) He wasn't in the Top 16 actually.



So how is that a problem? Or how is that broken. The higher seeded players didnt show up, so he was bumped. That is exactly how every other tournament would work. What would you suggest? They randomly pick people from the pool? Or just pick in choose players that they thought were good? That is far less fair.


First of all, I didn't say it was broken. Second of all, they could leave the spot void.



So assuming Huk didnt decide to come to the event how would you seed that spot?


Everyone in top 16 moves up one spot. 16th spot stays empty until Open is over. (Since basically being 16th through 20th doesn't matter in pool play). The top players in Open loser bracket play it down and that player who wins Open Loser takes the last pool play spot. The person who lost the Open loser bracket championship gets a bye in the round of 32 in Championship bracket.

Simple enough.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
May 18 2011 04:09 GMT
#182
Pool C is insane...
Dear Sixsmith...
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
May 18 2011 04:09 GMT
#183
Whoa Pool C stacked beyond measure! This is going to be insane!
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 04:12:31
May 18 2011 04:09 GMT
#184
On May 18 2011 13:05 coolcor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 12:50 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:32 425kid wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:28 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:22 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:08 TT1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote:
nooooooooo 1 spot off =(


yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?

btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever


Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!

And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.



Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.

He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...






And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.


And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)

TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.



Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.



Everyone in top 16 moves up one spot. 16th spot stays empty until Open is over. (Since basically being 16th through 20th doesn't matter in pool play). The top players in Open loser bracket play it down and that player who wins Open Loser takes the last pool play spot. The person who lost the Open loser bracket championship gets a bye in the round of 32 in Championship bracket.


So if 2-3 top players didnt show (as was the last MLG). How would you do it then, have more open bracket people seeded? How is that fair to the people ranked 17,18,19 even if it wasnt gretorp? You play all seasons finish fairly highly and get fucked by a random rule that only helps players who show up to MLGs sporadically? seems way less fair then the current way
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
May 18 2011 04:10 GMT
#185
I'd like to see MLG change the format, but I doubt it's gonna happen and with groups like C you can hardly complain about the awesome that is going to be unleashed.

I hope we have another open bracket champion.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
May 18 2011 04:10 GMT
#186
Select v Bomber in the early stages of this event, that is going to be so beautiful.
TrevorJK
Profile Joined May 2009
United States77 Posts
May 18 2011 04:10 GMT
#187
are we gonna be voting on which games are going to be streamed or are they random again?
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
May 18 2011 04:12 GMT
#188
MLG does this format for a reason. And, I'm not saying they don't have their reasons. But, I think bumping people up due to others not showing up is a bad idea. If you don't earn it, you shouldn't get rewarded for it. Leave the spot void.

This goes for GSL spots given to MLG top 4 or so also. If the players who won those spots decline the invite, don't go to the next guy to invite him until someone accepts. Just leave the opportunity as null then.
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
May 18 2011 04:13 GMT
#189
On May 18 2011 12:52 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 12:45 Corrik wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:40 Corrik wrote:
^ I do agree it's unfair that Gretorp is getting a seeded spot over someone who won however many games to get to that point (I think Boxxah said he won enough to be 17th or something earlier in this thread).


what? gretorp eliminated mihai (boxaaah) from mlg dallas

gretorp took 18th...he bumped up cause 2 didn't go.. deal with it.


Do you think, incontrol, that TT1 or boxxah (I was just using him as an example to be honest) should have had to go through that many more games? Maybe Gretorp beat him, but how many did Boxxah beat that Gretorp didn't?

I agree. He took the match, but did him taking that match off him mean he did more in that tournament? Gretorp underwhelmed badly. I understand the rules. But, I think it's a shame that's how it ended up working out. Hopefully Gretorp proves me to be an idiot and does work this tournament though.


forget about that man, i bust my ass all season long last year to get top 3 and then because i have a huge opportunity presented my way and decide to miss out on the 1st mlg of the year im already forced to deal with a huge handicap, top 4 of the open tournament get seeded in the main tour and the rest of the players from the open bracket go to losers, so even if u do make it from the open bracket and dont finish in the top 4 ur pretty much screwed off the bat, while the rest of the players in the champ. bracket pretty much get everything handed to them(not putting any of the blame on them the blame is to be put on whoever came up with this retarded format)

this fucking tournament format is the stupidest shit that ive ever seen, goddddd sorry for the negativety but it makes me so mad.. had to vent out somewhere

edit: then seeing mlg giving out free invites to the kors while they pretty much tell everyone else to go claw their way throught the tournament(and all the future tournaments) is the icing on the cake ^^ so classy



Don't go then. They are doing this for the bigger picture, business wise. They aren't going to cater to certain situations.
Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
May 18 2011 04:14 GMT
#190
bomber is going to so bomb the MLG
quiet noise
Profile Joined May 2011
599 Posts
May 18 2011 04:14 GMT
#191
Why is tyler being seeded into this? did he even win a single game at MLG dallas?
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
May 18 2011 04:15 GMT
#192
On May 18 2011 13:12 Corrik wrote:
MLG does this format for a reason. And, I'm not saying they don't have their reasons. But, I think bumping people up due to others not showing up is a bad idea. If you don't earn it, you shouldn't get rewarded for it. Leave the spot void.

This goes for GSL spots given to MLG top 4 or so also. If the players who won those spots decline the invite, don't go to the next guy to invite him until someone accepts. Just leave the opportunity as null then.


That wont work considering all of the group play is played while the open brack is playing, it would delay the tournament and force the open brack player to play 30 series in one day. Would work for something like GSL where there is time, but not for a 3 day event.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
May 18 2011 04:16 GMT
#193
Why is everyone saying "X player(s) better make it out of the group"? Everyone makes it out of the group, pool play is just for seeding in the championship bracket.
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
coolcor
Profile Joined February 2011
520 Posts
May 18 2011 04:17 GMT
#194
On May 18 2011 13:09 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 13:05 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:50 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:32 425kid wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:28 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:22 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:08 TT1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote:
nooooooooo 1 spot off =(


yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?

btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever


Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!

And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.



Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.

He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...



And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.


And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)

TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.



Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.

Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.

GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.

What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
May 18 2011 04:20 GMT
#195
On May 18 2011 13:13 TooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 12:52 TT1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:45 Corrik wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:40 Corrik wrote:
^ I do agree it's unfair that Gretorp is getting a seeded spot over someone who won however many games to get to that point (I think Boxxah said he won enough to be 17th or something earlier in this thread).


what? gretorp eliminated mihai (boxaaah) from mlg dallas

gretorp took 18th...he bumped up cause 2 didn't go.. deal with it.


Do you think, incontrol, that TT1 or boxxah (I was just using him as an example to be honest) should have had to go through that many more games? Maybe Gretorp beat him, but how many did Boxxah beat that Gretorp didn't?

I agree. He took the match, but did him taking that match off him mean he did more in that tournament? Gretorp underwhelmed badly. I understand the rules. But, I think it's a shame that's how it ended up working out. Hopefully Gretorp proves me to be an idiot and does work this tournament though.


forget about that man, i bust my ass all season long last year to get top 3 and then because i have a huge opportunity presented my way and decide to miss out on the 1st mlg of the year im already forced to deal with a huge handicap, top 4 of the open tournament get seeded in the main tour and the rest of the players from the open bracket go to losers, so even if u do make it from the open bracket and dont finish in the top 4 ur pretty much screwed off the bat, while the rest of the players in the champ. bracket pretty much get everything handed to them(not putting any of the blame on them the blame is to be put on whoever came up with this retarded format)

this fucking tournament format is the stupidest shit that ive ever seen, goddddd sorry for the negativety but it makes me so mad.. had to vent out somewhere

edit: then seeing mlg giving out free invites to the kors while they pretty much tell everyone else to go claw their way throught the tournament(and all the future tournaments) is the icing on the cake ^^ so classy



Don't go then. They are doing this for the bigger picture, business wise. They aren't going to cater to certain situations.


Note: This isn't a post about TT1, but SC players in general.

At this point, the tournament or organization is more important than the players. BW players in particular were a rare breed, so organizations continually catered to their needs in order to facilitate a good tournament. However, in SC2, there are so many good players that if a few don't attend, then it's no longer a big deal. This in particular is important when looking at scheduling conflicts. The show must go on.
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Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
May 18 2011 04:21 GMT
#196
On May 18 2011 13:17 coolcor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 13:09 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:05 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:50 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:32 425kid wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:28 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:22 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:08 TT1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote:
nooooooooo 1 spot off =(


yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?

btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever


Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!

And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.



Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.

He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...



And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.


And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)

TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.



Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.

Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.

GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.

What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.


Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG..
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Seide
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States831 Posts
May 18 2011 04:22 GMT
#197
On May 18 2011 13:17 coolcor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 13:09 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:05 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:50 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:32 425kid wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:28 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:22 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:08 TT1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote:
nooooooooo 1 spot off =(


yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?

btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever


Well obviously MLG has to punish you for representing the world against the best in Korea instead of going to their tournament. That is so lame!

And of course if you don't make it through the open bracket this time you'll be way far behind cause the seeded players are guaranteed a high placement every event and the points will add up! So get used to the open bracket for the rest of the year.



Gretorp lost his group play matches, but won 2 rounds in the losers bracket (optik zero and i forget). Then he won placement games for the ranking against AhhBoxxah and such. He is there because he finished there not because of some random crap they pulled out of their ass.

He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...



And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.


And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)

TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.



Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.

Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.

GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.

What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.

Why should MLG care that TT1 choose to go play in GSL World Championship. Obv he cares about other events and not MLG from their perspective, so they arent going to cut him some corners. They made their rule system because they want to reward consistent attendance. I see nothing wrong with it.

It sucks, but that was his choice.
One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish.
SalsaShark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States56 Posts
May 18 2011 04:23 GMT
#198
The group with TLO, Losira, and Haypro is "relatively weak" O.O

the terrans are still beneath me - oGsMC
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
May 18 2011 04:23 GMT
#199
On May 18 2011 13:15 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 13:12 Corrik wrote:
MLG does this format for a reason. And, I'm not saying they don't have their reasons. But, I think bumping people up due to others not showing up is a bad idea. If you don't earn it, you shouldn't get rewarded for it. Leave the spot void.

This goes for GSL spots given to MLG top 4 or so also. If the players who won those spots decline the invite, don't go to the next guy to invite him until someone accepts. Just leave the opportunity as null then.


That wont work considering all of the group play is played while the open brack is playing, it would delay the tournament and force the open brack player to play 30 series in one day. Would work for something like GSL where there is time, but not for a 3 day event.


Wrong. After the Open, the new group members play their pool matches also.

So let's say. X Joins group A. Y joins group B. Z joins group C W joins group D at the end of the Open.

X - Y - Z - A all have to play 5 games in their pool still.

If you are simply adding an extra player. Let's say V and W join group D. Then they would both have to just play 5 games each... (and at least 4 of the games could be played simultaneously. V vs Group D 1 - W vs Group D 2 then V vs Group D 2 - W vs Group D 3... then V vs Group D 3 - W vs Group D 4 - then V vs Group d 4 - W vs Group D 1 - then W vs V.

Thus adding one person to a pool (or even 4) in addition to the normal 4 would add absolutely 0 time to the tournament.
Darpa
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May 18 2011 04:27 GMT
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On May 18 2011 13:23 Corrik wrote:
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On May 18 2011 13:15 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:12 Corrik wrote:
MLG does this format for a reason. And, I'm not saying they don't have their reasons. But, I think bumping people up due to others not showing up is a bad idea. If you don't earn it, you shouldn't get rewarded for it. Leave the spot void.

This goes for GSL spots given to MLG top 4 or so also. If the players who won those spots decline the invite, don't go to the next guy to invite him until someone accepts. Just leave the opportunity as null then.


That wont work considering all of the group play is played while the open brack is playing, it would delay the tournament and force the open brack player to play 30 series in one day. Would work for something like GSL where there is time, but not for a 3 day event.


Wrong. After the Open, the new group members play their pool matches also.

So let's say. X Joins group A. Y joins group B. Z joins group C W joins group D at the end of the Open.

X - Y - Z - A all have to play 5 games in their pool still.

If you are simply adding an extra player. Let's say V and W join group D. Then they would both have to just play 5 games each... (and at least 4 of the games could be played simultaneously. V vs Group D 1 - W vs Group D 2 then V vs Group D 2 - W vs Group D 3... then V vs Group D 3 - W vs Group D 4 - then V vs Group d 4 - W vs Group D 1 - then W vs V.

Thus adding one person to a pool (or even 4) in addition to the normal 4 would add absolutely 0 time to the tournament.



Except that the open bracket doesnt finish until the end of the second day, which means the players would have to go through the whole open bracket and then straight into pool play.
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