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Where's Socke on the Top20 list? Didn't he made 6th at Dallas?
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On May 18 2011 13:48 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 13:42 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 13:31 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:28 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 13:21 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:17 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 13:09 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:05 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 12:50 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 12:32 425kid wrote:
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He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded... And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple. And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.) TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite. Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it. Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that. GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded. What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad. Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG.. But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change. No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A, he would have to go through the online tournies to qualify for code A. No different than MLG Yes I'm assuming he'd be able to requalify into code A and then get top 8 in code A and beat one of the code S players cause cause the example is assuming this hypothetical guy is still 10th best in the GSL. MLG if the 10th best in MLG enters the 3rd tournament, fights through the open and championship bracket and gets 10th, It probably won't be enough to get seeded and will have to hope he can do it again in the next time due to the point lead all the seeded players have that will grow every event. Meanwhile if for example Naniwa becomes the worst player in the world starting now, he still doesn't have to be worried about losing his spot for the rest of the year due to all his points he already has. (and then he just has to place well 1st event 1012 and repeat) Compare that to MVP getting code A after winning 1st. I'm just saying your probably going to see players place higher then seeded players, probably be considered better then the seeded players by most, but not be able to replace the seeded players in the next event. (maybe not this time but by the third one the point lead will allow silly examples to happen) You cant qualify into Code A and then win Code A and then Qualify for Code S in one Season. LOL. That would take at least 3 seasons to do. If TT1 Played MLG 3 times in a row and finished in the top 10 all three times he would very likely get a group seed. @ Corrick. What I dont understand is how you seed them properly when they lose. Eg. There are 4 Open Brackets in the Open tournament, each winner gets a seed in the pool. 3 Pros dont show up (as per MLG columbus). That means, with your method you need to seed 3 more people from the open bracket... There are 4 people who all finished identically in the open bracket (the losers in the Bracket finals)...Not only are you rewarding them for losing, but which people do you seed and which do you leave out, and based on what?
I said play the Loser Bracket Open out. The winner gets the spot.
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On May 18 2011 13:52 FLu wrote:
Where's Socke on the Top20 list? Didn't he made 6th at Dallas?
Him and Huk are the two not going to allow Gretorp to get 16th seed. ; )
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On May 18 2011 12:39 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 12:34 Stark1 wrote:On May 18 2011 12:08 TT1 wrote:On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote:
nooooooooo 1 spot off =( yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh? btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them. uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out
It's ok id rather see korean pro gamers play then you play.
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My picks:
A: Nani>Moon>drewbie>slush>gretorp
B: Kiwi>MMA>sjow>sheth>moonan
C: Bomber>Idra>Select>Ret>Tyler
D: Losira>TLO>incontrol>Haypro>Machine
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On May 18 2011 13:54 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 13:48 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:42 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 13:31 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:28 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 13:21 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:17 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 13:09 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:05 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 12:50 Darpa wrote:
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And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple. And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.) TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite. Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it. Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that. GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded. What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad. Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG.. But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change. No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A, he would have to go through the online tournies to qualify for code A. No different than MLG Yes I'm assuming he'd be able to requalify into code A and then get top 8 in code A and beat one of the code S players cause cause the example is assuming this hypothetical guy is still 10th best in the GSL. MLG if the 10th best in MLG enters the 3rd tournament, fights through the open and championship bracket and gets 10th, It probably won't be enough to get seeded and will have to hope he can do it again in the next time due to the point lead all the seeded players have that will grow every event. Meanwhile if for example Naniwa becomes the worst player in the world starting now, he still doesn't have to be worried about losing his spot for the rest of the year due to all his points he already has. (and then he just has to place well 1st event 1012 and repeat) Compare that to MVP getting code A after winning 1st. I'm just saying your probably going to see players place higher then seeded players, probably be considered better then the seeded players by most, but not be able to replace the seeded players in the next event. (maybe not this time but by the third one the point lead will allow silly examples to happen) You cant qualify into Code A and then win Code A and then Qualify for Code S in one Season. LOL. That would take at least 3 seasons to do. If TT1 Played MLG 3 times in a row and finished in the top 10 all three times he would very likely get a group seed. @ Corrick. What I dont understand is how you seed them properly when they lose. Eg. There are 4 Open Brackets in the Open tournament, each winner gets a seed in the pool. 3 Pros dont show up (as per MLG columbus). That means, with your method you need to seed 3 more people from the open bracket... There are 4 people who all finished identically in the open bracket (the losers in the Bracket finals)...Not only are you rewarding them for losing, but which people do you seed and which do you leave out, and based on what? I said play the Loser Bracket Open out. The winner gets the spot.
Aside from the fact that playing out the 4 losers for 3 seeds into the open groups spaces would leave 3 open byes in the losers bracket, and how the 1 person who wasnt seeded has already lost twice yet still gets to continuie, How would you fill that without going all the way down the line? It would be making a ridiculous number of exceptions and rule changes to make your system work andd would make it a complex as shit. I understand now what your trying to say, I still think that is an outrageous amount of work, uneccessary games, rule changes, and catoring to a select few who missed previous events.
Its pretty unessecary and screws over the other players who ranked 17,18,19 who did happen to show up to all the other events.
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Once again iNcontrol gets the easiest group I've ever seen (obviously Losira will clean this group up but iNcontrols wins will just further his ego)
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How com Huk isnt in it ??
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Super excited to see how these groups play out! Especially group C! Holyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.....!
Gonna be a great tournament, regardless if MLG gets their streams together.
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On May 18 2011 11:43 GTR wrote:
group c is more group of death than what group d was of the current msl.
That's taking it pretty far, but yeah, Group C looks mean. (Still, JD, Flash, Bisu and Sea just for giggles - that's bonkers.)
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On May 18 2011 14:04 Phaint wrote:
Once again iNcontrol gets the easiest group I've ever seen (obviously Losira will clean this group up but iNcontrols wins will just further his ego)
iNcontrol is the second best protoss in North America. He has good reason to have his ego. I predict Geoff to place in the top four again.
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...Gretorp gets to stay in pool play because he was basically into top 16 by winning like one match? I'm REALLY not liking the system if it doesn't account points from before. People like Vibe, dde, mihai, etc. fought through the open bracket just to not get any help for mlg columbus?
I can't say I can agree with the system if it leads to brackets like this.
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On May 18 2011 14:02 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 13:54 Corrik wrote:On May 18 2011 13:48 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:42 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 13:31 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:28 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 13:21 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:17 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 13:09 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:05 coolcor wrote:
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And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)
TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite. Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it. Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that. GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded. What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad. Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG.. But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change. No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A, he would have to go through the online tournies to qualify for code A. No different than MLG Yes I'm assuming he'd be able to requalify into code A and then get top 8 in code A and beat one of the code S players cause cause the example is assuming this hypothetical guy is still 10th best in the GSL. MLG if the 10th best in MLG enters the 3rd tournament, fights through the open and championship bracket and gets 10th, It probably won't be enough to get seeded and will have to hope he can do it again in the next time due to the point lead all the seeded players have that will grow every event. Meanwhile if for example Naniwa becomes the worst player in the world starting now, he still doesn't have to be worried about losing his spot for the rest of the year due to all his points he already has. (and then he just has to place well 1st event 1012 and repeat) Compare that to MVP getting code A after winning 1st. I'm just saying your probably going to see players place higher then seeded players, probably be considered better then the seeded players by most, but not be able to replace the seeded players in the next event. (maybe not this time but by the third one the point lead will allow silly examples to happen) You cant qualify into Code A and then win Code A and then Qualify for Code S in one Season. LOL. That would take at least 3 seasons to do. If TT1 Played MLG 3 times in a row and finished in the top 10 all three times he would very likely get a group seed. @ Corrick. What I dont understand is how you seed them properly when they lose. Eg. There are 4 Open Brackets in the Open tournament, each winner gets a seed in the pool. 3 Pros dont show up (as per MLG columbus). That means, with your method you need to seed 3 more people from the open bracket... There are 4 people who all finished identically in the open bracket (the losers in the Bracket finals)...Not only are you rewarding them for losing, but which people do you seed and which do you leave out, and based on what? I said play the Loser Bracket Open out. The winner gets the spot. Aside from the fact that playing out the 4 losers for 3 seeds into the open groups spaces would leave 3 open byes in the losers bracket, and how the 1 person who wasnt seeded has already lost twice yet still gets to continuie, How would you fill that without going all the way down the line? It would be making a ridiculous number of exceptions and rule changes to make your system work andd would make it a complex as shit. I understand now what your trying to say, I still think that is an outrageous amount of work, uneccessary games, rule changes, and catoring to a select few who missed previous events. Its pretty unessecary and screws over the other players who ranked 17,18,19 who did happen to show up to all the other events.
I give up. I explained this properly, but you aren't getting it. I think you aren't sure how it works now. My suggestions are only minor tweaks to it... and it does work... with only 1 bye for the guy who was runner up in the loser open bracket in the Ro32 matches. I give up though. Forget it.
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On May 18 2011 14:00 doihy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 12:39 TT1 wrote:On May 18 2011 12:34 Stark1 wrote:On May 18 2011 12:08 TT1 wrote:On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote:
nooooooooo 1 spot off =( yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh? btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them. uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out It's ok id rather see korean pro gamers play then you play.
oh nooooooooooooooes =[
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Gretorp gonna dominate pool a you heard it here first
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On May 18 2011 14:00 doihy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 12:39 TT1 wrote:On May 18 2011 12:34 Stark1 wrote:On May 18 2011 12:08 TT1 wrote:On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote:
nooooooooo 1 spot off =( yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh? btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them. uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out It's ok id rather see korean pro gamers play then you play.
is it true that huk was cut in favor of another player? If this is true...I really do not like the MLG system. didnt huk WIN MLG raleigh?
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On May 18 2011 14:11 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 14:02 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:54 Corrik wrote:On May 18 2011 13:48 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:42 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 13:31 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:28 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 13:21 Darpa wrote:On May 18 2011 13:17 coolcor wrote:On May 18 2011 13:09 Darpa wrote:
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Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.
Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that. GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded. What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad. Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG.. But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change. No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A, he would have to go through the online tournies to qualify for code A. No different than MLG Yes I'm assuming he'd be able to requalify into code A and then get top 8 in code A and beat one of the code S players cause cause the example is assuming this hypothetical guy is still 10th best in the GSL. MLG if the 10th best in MLG enters the 3rd tournament, fights through the open and championship bracket and gets 10th, It probably won't be enough to get seeded and will have to hope he can do it again in the next time due to the point lead all the seeded players have that will grow every event. Meanwhile if for example Naniwa becomes the worst player in the world starting now, he still doesn't have to be worried about losing his spot for the rest of the year due to all his points he already has. (and then he just has to place well 1st event 1012 and repeat) Compare that to MVP getting code A after winning 1st. I'm just saying your probably going to see players place higher then seeded players, probably be considered better then the seeded players by most, but not be able to replace the seeded players in the next event. (maybe not this time but by the third one the point lead will allow silly examples to happen) You cant qualify into Code A and then win Code A and then Qualify for Code S in one Season. LOL. That would take at least 3 seasons to do. If TT1 Played MLG 3 times in a row and finished in the top 10 all three times he would very likely get a group seed. @ Corrick. What I dont understand is how you seed them properly when they lose. Eg. There are 4 Open Brackets in the Open tournament, each winner gets a seed in the pool. 3 Pros dont show up (as per MLG columbus). That means, with your method you need to seed 3 more people from the open bracket... There are 4 people who all finished identically in the open bracket (the losers in the Bracket finals)...Not only are you rewarding them for losing, but which people do you seed and which do you leave out, and based on what? I said play the Loser Bracket Open out. The winner gets the spot. Aside from the fact that playing out the 4 losers for 3 seeds into the open groups spaces would leave 3 open byes in the losers bracket, and how the 1 person who wasnt seeded has already lost twice yet still gets to continuie, How would you fill that without going all the way down the line? It would be making a ridiculous number of exceptions and rule changes to make your system work andd would make it a complex as shit. I understand now what your trying to say, I still think that is an outrageous amount of work, uneccessary games, rule changes, and catoring to a select few who missed previous events. Its pretty unessecary and screws over the other players who ranked 17,18,19 who did happen to show up to all the other events. I give up. I explained this properly, but you aren't getting it. I think you aren't sure how it works now. My suggestions are only minor tweaks to it... and it does work... with only 1 bye for the guy who was runner up in the loser open bracket in the Ro32 matches. I give up though. Forget it.
your right I dont get it, Given the same number of players, If you seed 3 extra players into the Group play, you leave 3 open byes in the losers bracket which means some people get free wins. Your system works fine for If there is only 1 open spot in group play and ONE pro player missing. It does not work if you have more than 2 Pros who dont come and opens up more than 2 spots in group play because it fucks up the losers bracket. Which is what happened at the last MLG.
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On May 18 2011 14:00 doihy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 12:39 TT1 wrote:On May 18 2011 12:34 Stark1 wrote:On May 18 2011 12:08 TT1 wrote:On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote:
nooooooooo 1 spot off =( yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh? btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them. uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out It's ok id rather see korean pro gamers play then you play.
Don't worry... I am sure most of the community would.
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TT1 out of curiosity wouldn't it make more sense to say screw MLG and go the GSL Super Tournament? You get over double the money making it to the round of 32 in the GSL:ST than you would getting 8th at MLG. Wouldn't making it one round in the super tournament be easier than the entire open bracket at MLG or is skill of the Koreans > endurance needed to play through the whole open bracket?
Unless of course you would have to pay the travel expenses yourself or your team/sponsors didn't think paying for you to go would be worth it.
Personally I would have loved to see you in the Super Tournament
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Poor machine getting incontrol AGAIN LOL
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