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FLu
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany147 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 04:53:11
May 18 2011 04:52 GMT
#221
Where's Socke on the Top20 list? Didn't he made 6th at Dallas?
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
May 18 2011 04:54 GMT
#222
On May 18 2011 13:48 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 13:42 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:31 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:28 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:21 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:17 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:09 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:05 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:50 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:32 425kid wrote:
[quote]
He only got to that stage in the losers bracket because he was seeded...



And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.


And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)

TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.



Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.

Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.

GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.

What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.


Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG..


But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change.



No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A, he would have to go through the online tournies to qualify for code A. No different than MLG


Yes I'm assuming he'd be able to requalify into code A and then get top 8 in code A and beat one of the code S players cause cause the example is assuming this hypothetical guy is still 10th best in the GSL. MLG if the 10th best in MLG enters the 3rd tournament, fights through the open and championship bracket and gets 10th, It probably won't be enough to get seeded and will have to hope he can do it again in the next time due to the point lead all the seeded players have that will grow every event.

Meanwhile if for example Naniwa becomes the worst player in the world starting now, he still doesn't have to be worried about losing his spot for the rest of the year due to all his points he already has. (and then he just has to place well 1st event 1012 and repeat) Compare that to MVP getting code A after winning 1st.

I'm just saying your probably going to see players place higher then seeded players, probably be considered better then the seeded players by most, but not be able to replace the seeded players in the next event. (maybe not this time but by the third one the point lead will allow silly examples to happen)



You cant qualify into Code A and then win Code A and then Qualify for Code S in one Season. LOL. That would take at least 3 seasons to do. If TT1 Played MLG 3 times in a row and finished in the top 10 all three times he would very likely get a group seed.

@ Corrick.

What I dont understand is how you seed them properly when they lose.

Eg. There are 4 Open Brackets in the Open tournament, each winner gets a seed in the pool.

3 Pros dont show up (as per MLG columbus). That means, with your method you need to seed 3 more people from the open bracket... There are 4 people who all finished identically in the open bracket (the losers in the Bracket finals)...Not only are you rewarding them for losing, but which people do you seed and which do you leave out, and based on what?


I said play the Loser Bracket Open out. The winner gets the spot.
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
May 18 2011 04:55 GMT
#223
On May 18 2011 13:52 FLu wrote:
Where's Socke on the Top20 list? Didn't he made 6th at Dallas?


Him and Huk are the two not going to allow Gretorp to get 16th seed. ; )
doihy
Profile Joined August 2010
668 Posts
May 18 2011 05:00 GMT
#224
On May 18 2011 12:39 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 12:34 Stark1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:08 TT1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote:
nooooooooo 1 spot off =(


yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?

btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever


Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them.


uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out


It's ok id rather see korean pro gamers play then you play.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
May 18 2011 05:01 GMT
#225
My picks:

A: Nani>Moon>drewbie>slush>gretorp
B: Kiwi>MMA>sjow>sheth>moonan
C: Bomber>Idra>Select>Ret>Tyler
D: Losira>TLO>incontrol>Haypro>Machine
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 05:05:29
May 18 2011 05:02 GMT
#226
On May 18 2011 13:54 Corrik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 13:48 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:42 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:31 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:28 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:21 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:17 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:09 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:05 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:50 Darpa wrote:
[quote]


And why was he seeded? Because he had top 16 qualifying points from MLG 2010 season. Seriously, you guys act like this is some mystifying force illogical behaivour that MLG does just to fuck with your heads. Its really simple.


And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)

TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.



Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.

Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.

GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.

What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.


Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG..


But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change.



No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A, he would have to go through the online tournies to qualify for code A. No different than MLG


Yes I'm assuming he'd be able to requalify into code A and then get top 8 in code A and beat one of the code S players cause cause the example is assuming this hypothetical guy is still 10th best in the GSL. MLG if the 10th best in MLG enters the 3rd tournament, fights through the open and championship bracket and gets 10th, It probably won't be enough to get seeded and will have to hope he can do it again in the next time due to the point lead all the seeded players have that will grow every event.

Meanwhile if for example Naniwa becomes the worst player in the world starting now, he still doesn't have to be worried about losing his spot for the rest of the year due to all his points he already has. (and then he just has to place well 1st event 1012 and repeat) Compare that to MVP getting code A after winning 1st.

I'm just saying your probably going to see players place higher then seeded players, probably be considered better then the seeded players by most, but not be able to replace the seeded players in the next event. (maybe not this time but by the third one the point lead will allow silly examples to happen)



You cant qualify into Code A and then win Code A and then Qualify for Code S in one Season. LOL. That would take at least 3 seasons to do. If TT1 Played MLG 3 times in a row and finished in the top 10 all three times he would very likely get a group seed.

@ Corrick.

What I dont understand is how you seed them properly when they lose.

Eg. There are 4 Open Brackets in the Open tournament, each winner gets a seed in the pool.

3 Pros dont show up (as per MLG columbus). That means, with your method you need to seed 3 more people from the open bracket... There are 4 people who all finished identically in the open bracket (the losers in the Bracket finals)...Not only are you rewarding them for losing, but which people do you seed and which do you leave out, and based on what?


I said play the Loser Bracket Open out. The winner gets the spot.



Aside from the fact that playing out the 4 losers for 3 seeds into the open groups spaces would leave 3 open byes in the losers bracket, and how the 1 person who wasnt seeded has already lost twice yet still gets to continuie, How would you fill that without going all the way down the line? It would be making a ridiculous number of exceptions and rule changes to make your system work andd would make it a complex as shit. I understand now what your trying to say, I still think that is an outrageous amount of work, uneccessary games, rule changes, and catoring to a select few who missed previous events.

Its pretty unessecary and screws over the other players who ranked 17,18,19 who did happen to show up to all the other events.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Phaint
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada211 Posts
May 18 2011 05:04 GMT
#227
Once again iNcontrol gets the easiest group I've ever seen (obviously Losira will clean this group up but iNcontrols wins will just further his ego)
yakkk2000
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada12 Posts
May 18 2011 05:04 GMT
#228
How com Huk isnt in it ??
CapnCDaWg
Profile Joined September 2010
United States179 Posts
May 18 2011 05:06 GMT
#229
Super excited to see how these groups play out! Especially group C! Holyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.....!
Gonna be a great tournament, regardless if MLG gets their streams together.
zipz0p
Profile Joined February 2010
United States123 Posts
May 18 2011 05:08 GMT
#230
On May 18 2011 11:43 GTR wrote:
group c is more group of death than what group d was of the current msl.

That's taking it pretty far, but yeah, Group C looks mean. (Still, JD, Flash, Bisu and Sea just for giggles - that's bonkers.)
u gotta skate
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
May 18 2011 05:09 GMT
#231
On May 18 2011 14:04 Phaint wrote:
Once again iNcontrol gets the easiest group I've ever seen (obviously Losira will clean this group up but iNcontrols wins will just further his ego)


iNcontrol is the second best protoss in North America. He has good reason to have his ego. I predict Geoff to place in the top four again.
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 05:12:15
May 18 2011 05:11 GMT
#232
...Gretorp gets to stay in pool play because he was basically into top 16 by winning like one match? I'm REALLY not liking the system if it doesn't account points from before. People like Vibe, dde, mihai, etc. fought through the open bracket just to not get any help for mlg columbus?

I can't say I can agree with the system if it leads to brackets like this.
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Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
May 18 2011 05:11 GMT
#233
On May 18 2011 14:02 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 13:54 Corrik wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:48 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:42 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:31 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:28 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:21 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:17 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:09 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:05 coolcor wrote:
[quote]

And some bad players got seeded into code S in Janurary based on GSL 2010 points. However after that code S is only determined by placement in the last months results so they get pushed out while MLG will guarantee a high placement every time so their points will go up every time and will be harder to knock out every time. Placement in the national championship is mostly determined by the results of the first tournament of the year. (witch had the problem of seeding people based on 2010 points, and the time from Dallas to the championship is also a problem for determining current skill.)

TT1 can get a few places higher then gretorp this time, but still not get seeded next time due to his point lead.Though adding 4 Koreans each time might push them out anyways depends if they keep coming after the invite.



Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.

Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.

GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.

What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.


Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG..


But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change.



No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A, he would have to go through the online tournies to qualify for code A. No different than MLG


Yes I'm assuming he'd be able to requalify into code A and then get top 8 in code A and beat one of the code S players cause cause the example is assuming this hypothetical guy is still 10th best in the GSL. MLG if the 10th best in MLG enters the 3rd tournament, fights through the open and championship bracket and gets 10th, It probably won't be enough to get seeded and will have to hope he can do it again in the next time due to the point lead all the seeded players have that will grow every event.

Meanwhile if for example Naniwa becomes the worst player in the world starting now, he still doesn't have to be worried about losing his spot for the rest of the year due to all his points he already has. (and then he just has to place well 1st event 1012 and repeat) Compare that to MVP getting code A after winning 1st.

I'm just saying your probably going to see players place higher then seeded players, probably be considered better then the seeded players by most, but not be able to replace the seeded players in the next event. (maybe not this time but by the third one the point lead will allow silly examples to happen)



You cant qualify into Code A and then win Code A and then Qualify for Code S in one Season. LOL. That would take at least 3 seasons to do. If TT1 Played MLG 3 times in a row and finished in the top 10 all three times he would very likely get a group seed.

@ Corrick.

What I dont understand is how you seed them properly when they lose.

Eg. There are 4 Open Brackets in the Open tournament, each winner gets a seed in the pool.

3 Pros dont show up (as per MLG columbus). That means, with your method you need to seed 3 more people from the open bracket... There are 4 people who all finished identically in the open bracket (the losers in the Bracket finals)...Not only are you rewarding them for losing, but which people do you seed and which do you leave out, and based on what?


I said play the Loser Bracket Open out. The winner gets the spot.



Aside from the fact that playing out the 4 losers for 3 seeds into the open groups spaces would leave 3 open byes in the losers bracket, and how the 1 person who wasnt seeded has already lost twice yet still gets to continuie, How would you fill that without going all the way down the line? It would be making a ridiculous number of exceptions and rule changes to make your system work andd would make it a complex as shit. I understand now what your trying to say, I still think that is an outrageous amount of work, uneccessary games, rule changes, and catoring to a select few who missed previous events.

Its pretty unessecary and screws over the other players who ranked 17,18,19 who did happen to show up to all the other events.


I give up. I explained this properly, but you aren't getting it. I think you aren't sure how it works now. My suggestions are only minor tweaks to it... and it does work... with only 1 bye for the guy who was runner up in the loser open bracket in the Ro32 matches. I give up though. Forget it.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10095 Posts
May 18 2011 05:12 GMT
#234
On May 18 2011 14:00 doihy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 12:39 TT1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:34 Stark1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:08 TT1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote:
nooooooooo 1 spot off =(


yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?

btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever


Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them.


uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out


It's ok id rather see korean pro gamers play then you play.


oh nooooooooooooooes =[
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
May 18 2011 05:13 GMT
#235
Gretorp gonna dominate pool a you heard it here first
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 05:15:49
May 18 2011 05:14 GMT
#236
On May 18 2011 14:00 doihy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 12:39 TT1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:34 Stark1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:08 TT1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote:
nooooooooo 1 spot off =(


yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?

btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever


Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them.


uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out


It's ok id rather see korean pro gamers play then you play.


is it true that huk was cut in favor of another player? If this is true...I really do not like the MLG system. didnt huk WIN MLG raleigh?
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 05:20:00
May 18 2011 05:17 GMT
#237
On May 18 2011 14:11 Corrik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 14:02 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:54 Corrik wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:48 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:42 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:31 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:28 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:21 Darpa wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:17 coolcor wrote:
On May 18 2011 13:09 Darpa wrote:
[quote]


Well, thats the price you pay for missing an event. Its called a season for a reason. Im not sure why TT1's one good finish when he missed alot of MLGs should rate him higher. People are acting like its illogical, but really they are following a very strict ruleset and ranking system. The only people who get screwed by it are people who dont show up to all the events. Whether thats fair or not is another story, but thats how the season is set up and run and you should expect it if you plan to play in it.

Ya like I said TT1 should be punished for representing the world in the GSL world championship unlike gretorp who would never do anything lame like that.

GSL is also a season with the blizzard cup based on points at the end of the year. However if you become the 10th best player in July you can still make it into code S next season and start winning a lot of money. In MLG placing tenth in the event after this one might not end up being enough to get seeded.

What I said about TT1 can apply to anyone who lost in the open bracket in Dallas due to getting unlucky or has improved a lot since then. Anyways the point is that they don't have a ruleset and ranking system, it is that the system is bad.


Your point is irrelevant. Your not making the same comparison. If for example, a player played in a The final GSL code S of 2010 and finished 10th, then skipped the next GSL, he wouldnt expect to get a code S seed in the second GSL in 2011. Its no different from MLG..


But he did attend the second GSL and was still the 10th best in the world he could easily get through code A and be code S in the third one. MLG he might not get enough points to be ranked 16th and have to fight through the open bracket a second time. (every time you don't place top 16 it becomes even harder to break in) It puts to much importance on the first one of the year, and is designed to keep a stable group of players with little change.



No he didnt, he missed the last MLG... Secondly Code A is way harder than the MLG open bracket, regardless of how you swing it. Thirdly, Im not sure you understand how seeding works in GSL O.o If he skipped GSL he wouldnt be automatically seeded into Code A, he would have to go through the online tournies to qualify for code A. No different than MLG


Yes I'm assuming he'd be able to requalify into code A and then get top 8 in code A and beat one of the code S players cause cause the example is assuming this hypothetical guy is still 10th best in the GSL. MLG if the 10th best in MLG enters the 3rd tournament, fights through the open and championship bracket and gets 10th, It probably won't be enough to get seeded and will have to hope he can do it again in the next time due to the point lead all the seeded players have that will grow every event.

Meanwhile if for example Naniwa becomes the worst player in the world starting now, he still doesn't have to be worried about losing his spot for the rest of the year due to all his points he already has. (and then he just has to place well 1st event 1012 and repeat) Compare that to MVP getting code A after winning 1st.

I'm just saying your probably going to see players place higher then seeded players, probably be considered better then the seeded players by most, but not be able to replace the seeded players in the next event. (maybe not this time but by the third one the point lead will allow silly examples to happen)



You cant qualify into Code A and then win Code A and then Qualify for Code S in one Season. LOL. That would take at least 3 seasons to do. If TT1 Played MLG 3 times in a row and finished in the top 10 all three times he would very likely get a group seed.

@ Corrick.

What I dont understand is how you seed them properly when they lose.

Eg. There are 4 Open Brackets in the Open tournament, each winner gets a seed in the pool.

3 Pros dont show up (as per MLG columbus). That means, with your method you need to seed 3 more people from the open bracket... There are 4 people who all finished identically in the open bracket (the losers in the Bracket finals)...Not only are you rewarding them for losing, but which people do you seed and which do you leave out, and based on what?


I said play the Loser Bracket Open out. The winner gets the spot.



Aside from the fact that playing out the 4 losers for 3 seeds into the open groups spaces would leave 3 open byes in the losers bracket, and how the 1 person who wasnt seeded has already lost twice yet still gets to continuie, How would you fill that without going all the way down the line? It would be making a ridiculous number of exceptions and rule changes to make your system work andd would make it a complex as shit. I understand now what your trying to say, I still think that is an outrageous amount of work, uneccessary games, rule changes, and catoring to a select few who missed previous events.

Its pretty unessecary and screws over the other players who ranked 17,18,19 who did happen to show up to all the other events.


I give up. I explained this properly, but you aren't getting it. I think you aren't sure how it works now. My suggestions are only minor tweaks to it... and it does work... with only 1 bye for the guy who was runner up in the loser open bracket in the Ro32 matches. I give up though. Forget it.



your right I dont get it, Given the same number of players, If you seed 3 extra players into the Group play, you leave 3 open byes in the losers bracket which means some people get free wins. Your system works fine for If there is only 1 open spot in group play and ONE pro player missing. It does not work if you have more than 2 Pros who dont come and opens up more than 2 spots in group play because it fucks up the losers bracket. Which is what happened at the last MLG.
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TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
May 18 2011 05:18 GMT
#238
On May 18 2011 14:00 doihy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 12:39 TT1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:34 Stark1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:08 TT1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 12:05 AhhBoxxah wrote:
nooooooooo 1 spot off =(


yay we get to play in the qualifier together ^.^, travelling all the way to a lan just to play in a quali while gosu koreans get free spots.. good times huh?

btw gretorp loss all of his matchs but he was still seeded so high.. worst tourmament format ever


Don't go blaming the Koreans for MLG's formatting issues, it should be the pro players/teams like say... you guys trying to get things changed if you don't like them.


uhh what? my job is being a gamer, mlg pays their employees alot of money to figure all that shit out


It's ok id rather see korean pro gamers play then you play.



Don't worry... I am sure most of the community would.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
May 18 2011 05:26 GMT
#239
TT1 out of curiosity wouldn't it make more sense to say screw MLG and go the GSL Super Tournament? You get over double the money making it to the round of 32 in the GSL:ST than you would getting 8th at MLG. Wouldn't making it one round in the super tournament be easier than the entire open bracket at MLG or is skill of the Koreans > endurance needed to play through the whole open bracket?

Unless of course you would have to pay the travel expenses yourself or your team/sponsors didn't think paying for you to go would be worth it.

Personally I would have loved to see you in the Super Tournament
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United States5770 Posts
May 18 2011 05:27 GMT
#240
Poor machine getting incontrol AGAIN LOL
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