I actually like the format of the GTSL, even though it is a bit contradicting itself:

- to qualify, you need a team with many good players, since it's counting the number of players
- to win, you need a few powerhouses, since it's the all-kill format.

a team with only a few powerhouses, how beastly they might be, has not a high chance of qualifying,
a team with only "good" players has not a high chance of winning, no matter how many there are.

genius_man16

United States749 Posts

May 10 2011 08:26 GMT

#202

On May 10 2011 17:19 r3SpaVVn wrote:
regarding the new map: are you able to spread creep underwater? i hope so, because otherwise all the zerg players will have a big problem ^^

LOL! Wow, talk about a random problem that I never thought about.

I'm assuming that you can spread creep underwater, otherwise the map would never have been chosen. From what I understand the maps go through a test process before being implemented and if you for some reason couldn't spread creep underwater I imagine that would have been discovered like the first game that was played.

havox_

Germany442 Posts

May 10 2011 08:26 GMT

#203

On May 10 2011 17:12 omisa wrote:
I understand the qualifying rules made by GOM, but honestly excluding possibly the best SC2 pro team is not doing anything to help SC2 popularity. With that said the team league always seems to produce some of the best games of the GSL, cant wait!

Not having appropriate rules (and follow them) wouldn't help either - special rules for some teams/players always suck!

So yes, it sucks that IM isn't in it... But the rules were done months ago + they make sense...
(But yeah, GOM should have a look into the qualifying rules... maybe e.g. just the Top6 are directly invited and the teams above... will... i dont know^^)

proxY_

United States1561 Posts

May 10 2011 08:34 GMT

#204

I think it's somewhat of a mistake to look at MVP and Nestea's accomplishments individually, they got where they are because they spent hundreds if not thousands of hours practicing WITH THEIR TEAM. I don't think it's a bad argument at all to say that one player's success reflects on their entire time because the team collectively helps each other. Fou, zenex, and mvp don't come close to that.

I'm not saying that GOM should announce tomorrow that they're changing their rules and kicking fou out of the league or something but after this debacle they have to re-evaluate their selection process for the next team league, this just defies common sense too much.

Lobo2me

Norway1213 Posts

May 10 2011 08:36 GMT

#205

On May 10 2011 17:17 Highways wrote:
There is too much weight on code A ro32 dropouts.

So many weak teams are able to qualify by flooding code A with very weak players. GOM should really think about fans before coming up with ridiculous non sensical formulas. People don't wanna pay to watch code A no namer dropouts.

If the weak teams can flood code A, why don't the "good" teams try the same thing?

And why didn't fans complain earlier if the system was so bad? The exact same system was used in the first two GSTL, but there were no complaints about the teams that didn't make the cut then.

Yes, the system should be fixed because IM should be in the league, but doing anything other than just increasing the amount of teams for this season would be a stupid fix.

thee telescopes

321 Posts

May 10 2011 08:36 GMT

#206

On May 10 2011 17:22 Sandro wrote:
I hope this new map replaces either meta, XC or crossfire, they've been in the pool long enough.

I really hope Crossfire goes, it looks terrible for Z.

MurMiLLo

United States260 Posts

May 10 2011 08:36 GMT

#207

how the fuck does it make sense to have a team excluded if they won 1 of the 2 team leagues AND got to the finals of the second team league? like wtf is gom afraid theyre gonna do well in this new one or something? i know about the points but its bs that theyre excluded after they did so well.

vasculaR

Malaysia791 Posts

May 10 2011 08:37 GMT

#208

well, rules are rules, and glad that GOM stuck by it. Perhaps they should allow automatic qualification for the winning team but thats about it in my opinion. If nothing else, hope the other IM players pick up the slack in GSL qualifications.

ZzZBored

Australia368 Posts

May 10 2011 08:39 GMT

#209

On May 10 2011 17:23 Nesquik wrote:

Show nested quote +

Nestea, MVP, Lorisa, IMNuts

+ Show Spoiler +

Nestea is in the finals for GSL agian.
MVP was in the finals came second(Code a)
Lorisa RO8
IMNuts RO16

They deserve to be in there imo. If you want the best games than you need the best gamers and IM has them. Fact.

Yonghwa has some pretty godly PvP as well, they have a team thats got both snipers and solid players, really should be in

Horse...falcon

United States1851 Posts

May 10 2011 08:40 GMT

#210

This is sad not only because IM has such a strong team that took 1st and 2nd place in the last 2 GSTLs but also because IM is still sponsorless and their GSTL winnings probably greatly helped support the team.

I understand GOM's system for choosing the teams but this is pretty bad for all parties involved. (Except ZeNEX/Prime/fOU)

proxY_

United States1561 Posts

May 10 2011 08:42 GMT

#211

On May 10 2011 17:40 Horse...falcon wrote:
This is sad not only because IM has such a strong team that took 1st and 2nd place in the last 2 GSTLs but also because IM is still sponsorless and their GSTL winnings probably greatly helped support the team.

I understand GOM's system for choosing the teams but this is pretty bad for all parties involved. (Except ZeNEX/Prime/fOU)

That's insane to me as well, TSL, Startale, and even Slayers before they were able to show any results have several sponsors and IM can't get any? Poor management apparently.

Aruno

New Zealand748 Posts

May 10 2011 08:43 GMT

#212

I'm calling a Slayers victory right now.

Full.tilt

United Kingdom1709 Posts

May 10 2011 08:44 GMT

#213

This is going to be so damn hwoarwesome. I wonder if Liquid would've flown in the US and EU contingent if they had managed to score enough points to qualify. Anyway can't wait for all the ingame and out of game entertainment. SlayerS fighting!

Quite like the inclusion of an old school type island map aswell

branflakes14

2082 Posts

May 10 2011 08:45 GMT

#214

Sucks that we won't be seeing IM tearing shit up, but here's to another great GSTL.

papery

4 Posts

May 10 2011 08:46 GMT

#215

Actually IM is sponsored by Coca Cola now! I'm sure the GSTL winnings helped though...

From what they wrote in their statement it seemed like they were truly concerned about the situation and really actively seeking out some kind of a solution for the coming seasons, so at least there's that.

busbarn

Sweden984 Posts

May 10 2011 08:48 GMT

#216

Sexy map, not at home so can't check, is it online in EU or US?

StateAlchemist

France1946 Posts

May 10 2011 08:48 GMT

#217

No IM? the GSTL 1 winner and GSTL 2 runner up.
lmao, this is ridiculous.

Anyways, SlayerS fighting !

zaii

Guam2611 Posts

May 10 2011 08:48 GMT

#218

Gom should let Hoseo in so that iM can join in. 10 teams instead of 8

frequency

Australia1901 Posts

May 10 2011 08:48 GMT

#219

Anyone else think that map looks sort of like Match Point but on it's side?

arbitrageur

Australia1202 Posts

May 10 2011 08:50 GMT

#220

FOR ALL those people saying the model makes sense, WHY does it make sense? It makes no sense. You're not weighting for a SUPER-GOOD Code S player vs an extremely marginal Code S player. You're not accounting for one of the best players in the world who had an off day and got into Code A vs some not good player who scraped into Code A via relatively lucky brackets who is in actual fact a marginal Code B player.

Further, this specification purports to estimate who the best teams are. IM's previous performance in GSTL1 and 2 make me extremely doubtful with respect to external validity of this model.