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koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
May 10 2011 07:26 GMT
#161
They should just add 2 more teams, so there will be 10 teams in total.
The next two teams should be Liquid and IM.
Then we can see a team of ret/huk/haypro/jinro in the gstl :DD
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
May 10 2011 07:29 GMT
#162
they need a rule, but it is clear, from a spectator point of view, that a rule that excludes IM, which may have fewer, but VERY good players in code A and S is not very smart -.-

maybe they should look at the topX players of every team to decide, i hope they find a good solution for the GTSL after this =(
genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
May 10 2011 07:31 GMT
#163
I'm utterly baffled that they can exclude IM. Sure they may not have the stupid points requirement, but surely going to the FINALS of both previous GSTL's has to account for something no?

The fact that the team that's been in both finals is somehow not good enough to be in the league is pretty stupid. I don't care about GOM's system. They should have modified it somehow to make sure one of the best, if not the best, teams in the world got into the tournament.

Just because they don't have 8 players in Code A doesn't mean they aren't a good team.
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Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
May 10 2011 07:34 GMT
#164
On May 10 2011 16:31 genius_man16 wrote:
I'm utterly baffled that they can exclude IM. Sure they may not have the stupid points requirement, but surely going to the FINALS of both previous GSTL's has to account for something no?

The fact that the team that's been in both finals is somehow not good enough to be in the league is pretty stupid. I don't care about GOM's system. They should have modified it somehow to make sure one of the best, if not the best, teams in the world got into the tournament.

Just because they don't have 8 players in Code A doesn't mean they aren't a good team.


See... but then the question comes up. Are they really the best team, or are they just very top heavy... and ride that advantage to the finals.

Of course they still have other solid players... every team does, but overall it seems they rely on a few of their top players for a team league.

Also, there honestly haven't been that many matches, and while getting to the finals both times is a great accomplishment, it also isn't unheard of. You need to win 2 matches to get to the finals and that's it.

That all being said, I do think it sucks that they are not in because despite what I have said, I still feel they are deserving... but my argument is that the point system may still hold validity. It is to have a clear cut way of marking which team should qualify based on overall (as a team) performance.

Hopefully that was all clear.
densha
Profile Joined December 2010
United States797 Posts
May 10 2011 07:40 GMT
#165
Wow, this is kind of sad . Team league is always fun to watch and everything, but IM is such an amazing team. Aside from SC, it really seemed like fOu had faded away, I'm really surprised they beat out IM with this point system.

I'd honestly rather have some bias invovled to get IM in the league than have them excluded completely. All I know is this makes everything a lot less exciting, even though I'm sure we'll see some great games. Oh well.
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Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 07:42:04
May 10 2011 07:41 GMT
#166
Thanks for showing the brackets. Actually following the qualifying rules I'm not surprised IM didn't qualify, since I hardly ever see any of their players in the GSL.
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 10 2011 07:41 GMT
#167
They should probably weight Code S spots higher, just as a general point. (2 vs 1 maybe)

Also, this is really a problem because there's just *now* enough teams to expand the format. Remember, Liquid was 9th overall back during the first one, with only 3 ppl out in Korea. With 2 more Korean teams, they should probably consider extending the tournament out another round with some Byes for previous placing teams. Yeah, it'd add another 2 days to the Tournament, but it also gives them more Content.

While odd, realistically, this is more of a problem of having more teams capable of fielding a competitive roster, so they really should look to expand for the next GSTL.
Fuoeh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands486 Posts
May 10 2011 07:43 GMT
#168
how is this possible no incredible miracle. Me sad really really sad. This is a disgrace. The have 2 champions in there team.
Butcherski
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland446 Posts
May 10 2011 07:45 GMT
#169
quality over quantity - it shouldnt matter that MvP have 6 players that fall out of ro32 in code A

IM players win both Code S and Code A and dont get to play in GSTL ? That just silly. Whatever the solution they will choose they HAVE to get IM in there.
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Yami_no_cosmos
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden59 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 07:49:23
May 10 2011 07:48 GMT
#170
Finally cannot wait to get to see OGS and StarTale clash down.

I would love thou to see the IM-theme once again.
They are such a lovable team. IMMVP+IMNestea= BRO LOVE! ♥

BRING IM BACK!

That new map looks something from 'Pirates of the caribbean'. Yarr!
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Sarmis
Profile Joined July 2010
United States58 Posts
May 10 2011 07:52 GMT
#171
I don't recall anyone complaining about the system before. If Liquid had gotten 8th, but IM had gotten 9th, and then GOM changed the rules to exclude Liquid because it was "ridiculous that IM wasn't in", would that be fair? Except here everyone seems OK with it because we aren't familiar with MVP (the team).

The method they use to choose teams for the GSTL has been well known, publicized, and completely transparent. To change it simply because people aren't happy with the results of that method - on the THIRD iteration of the team league - would be incredibly unfair to MVP. And to honestly expect GOM to change their method of team picking - a transparent method based on actual preformance metrics, goes against everything the community has claimed to want, as a whole, in earlier tournaments (See: NASL qualification, any invitational tournaments)
"All that is very well," answered Candide, "but let us cultivate our garden."
Neurosis
Profile Joined October 2010
United States893 Posts
May 10 2011 07:53 GMT
#172
No Nestea or MVP = lol. IM is still the best sc2 team, they should be in the GSTL no matter what imo.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
May 10 2011 07:54 GMT
#173
LOL

1. oGs vs ST in first round?

2. No IM?

papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
May 10 2011 07:55 GMT
#174
On May 10 2011 16:53 Neurosis wrote:
No Nestea or MVP = lol. IM is still the best sc2 team, they should be in the GSTL no matter what imo.


And no Losira...
densha
Profile Joined December 2010
United States797 Posts
May 10 2011 07:55 GMT
#175
On May 10 2011 16:52 Sarmis wrote:
I don't recall anyone complaining about the system before. If Liquid had gotten 8th, but IM had gotten 9th, and then GOM changed the rules to exclude Liquid because it was "ridiculous that IM wasn't in", would that be fair? Except here everyone seems OK with it because we aren't familiar with MVP (the team).

The method they use to choose teams for the GSTL has been well known, publicized, and completely transparent. To change it simply because people aren't happy with the results of that method - on the THIRD iteration of the team league - would be incredibly unfair to MVP. And to honestly expect GOM to change their method of team picking - a transparent method based on actual preformance metrics, goes against everything the community has claimed to want, as a whole, in earlier tournaments (See: NASL qualification, any invitational tournaments)


Just because it's transparent doesn't mean it's good. I think no one really cared before because previously the system was almost a formality - the top teams were included along with some underdogs. However, when the point system says Prime, Zenex, and fOu are more qualified to perform in a team league over IM, then the system itself is flawed and should be changed.
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 10 2011 07:59 GMT
#176
Ugh, that's so stupid. Teams like fOu and Zenex over IM? Ridiculous.

Hey guys, one guy on my team can all-kill your team. Oh, look, you're in and we're not. Ridiculous. Fuck the rules, that's just a ridiculously flawed system. Two time finalists and one-time champions of a tournament that don't get to be in the tournament... just.... wow.
coolcor
Profile Joined February 2011
520 Posts
May 10 2011 07:59 GMT
#177
They don't have to change anything to get IM back after this tournament. Fou will be out unless they get a lot of people through the next qualifiers they lost to many people this season.
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
May 10 2011 08:03 GMT
#178
Well IM was already very close to being out last GSTL. With MVP doing better they of course got the invite.
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Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
May 10 2011 08:03 GMT
#179
liking the new map
Butterz
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
688 Posts
May 10 2011 08:03 GMT
#180
Im not watching IM is the reason why i watched . I think many others feel the same way. Gom should consider changing this system maybe.
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